Kerry: Putin is going to lose

[georgephillip]

"Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke about the Russia-propelled crisis in Crimea in a news conference on Tuesday, where he presented a number of opinions that are unlikely to win over the international community.

"Putin started out by saying that the changing of the guard in the Ukraine — from ousted president Viktor Yanukovych to an interim government holding down the political fort until December elections — was the result of an 'unconstitutional coup and armed seizure of power.'

"Yesterday, Russian officials presented a document purportedly penned by Yanukovych asking Moscow to send troops into Crimea 'to establish legitimacy, peace, law and order, stability and defending the people of Ukraine.'

"But last week, Yanukovych said during a press conference in Russia that 'any military action in this situation is unacceptable,' though Russia could not ignore the situation unfolding in Crimea."

Vladimir Putin Thinks He Has the Right to Do a Lot of Things in Ukraine - The Wire

Ick. This source slammed RT? That's the pot calling the kettle black.

I thought the analysis of this source was pretty sober.

Both these articles seemed pretty unbiased. The Chinese government has not yet officially recognized the ruling authority of the new Ukranian Government. That should tell us something.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90777/8552726.html

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/98649/8546932.html

China appears to have good reasons to avoid making any hasty decisions:

"In recent years Ukraine and China have formed military, trade and agricultural partnerships.

"In 2012 Ukraine became the fourth-largest arms exporter in the world, with many of those exports going to China.

"Beijing's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, was built in Ukraine.

"Ukraine agreed last year to a deal for China to lease five percent of the country’s land to grow crops and raise pigs for sale to Chinese state-owned companies.

"As part of that deal China promised to build highways and bridges in the country."

China Attempts to Strike Delicate Balance on Ukraine

 

[MisterBeale]

"The plan was cancelled in 2009 and superseded by a more phased, practical one—the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System, which will include SM-3 Block IIA interceptors to be positioned in Poland around 2018."

US missile defense complex in Poland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now explain what YOUR reaction would be if Putin installed similar "interceptors" in Cuba because he wanted to protect Canada from North Korean nukes.

What is it with liberals and Wikipedia anyway? It's like your Bible. If a quote on Wikipedia says something is better, then it's better, no need for thought or further investigation. Does Poland think it's better and are they holding their breath for 2018? It may be too late and it may not happen at all.

And your analogy doesn't make any more sense than it did before.

Does Poland know it's a member of NATO, do you?

"Russia threatened to place short-range nuclear missiles on its borders with NATO if the United States refused to abandon its plans to deploy 10 interceptor missiles and a radar in Poland and the Czech Republic."

US missile defense complex in Poland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why do conservatives automatically suspect any source that doesn't depend on corporate advertising?

In schools and at University students are taught that Wiki is not a legitimate source. However, if you go down to the links that wiki uses to source its' material, you can find the original source material. So when ever my son is doing a research project, I just tell him to go ahead and use wiki, and if he finds something he wants to use, track down the original source material. For instance, in this case, one of the many original source material appears to be this link. . .
Russia piles pressure on EU over missile shield
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569495/Russia-piles-pressure-on-EU-over-missile-shield.html

Russia threatened to site short-range nuclear missiles in a second location on the European Union's border yesterday if the United States refuses to abandon plans to erect a missile defence shield.

In what appeared to be a fresh attempt to divide the West, a senior army general said that Iskander missiles could be deployed in Belarus if US proposals to place 10 interceptor missiles and a radar in Poland and the Czech Republic go ahead.

Added Bonus, pictures!

Iskander missiles could be deployed in the Baltic enclave of Kaliningrad

 

[namvet]

scary Kerry. 3rd row 2nd seat big fuckin' mouth

 

[Iceweasel]

Russia threatened to site short-range nuclear missiles in a second location on the European Union's border yesterday if the United States refuses to abandon plans to erect a missile defence shield.

In what appeared to be a fresh attempt to divide the West, a senior army general said that Iskander missiles could be deployed in Belarus if US proposals to place 10 interceptor missiles and a radar in Poland and the Czech Republic go ahead.

Added Bonus, pictures!

Iskander missiles could be deployed in the Baltic enclave of Kaliningrad[/QUOTE]Exactly. That's why I don't use wikipedia. The article does not say:
"Russia threatened to place short-range nuclear missiles on its borders with NATO if the United States refused to abandon its plans to deploy 10 interceptor missiles and a radar in Poland and the Czech Republic."

The sloppy writing makes it look like they are doing so with NATO.

 

[MisterBeale]

Because you support American Exceptionalism. You believe Americans have the right to base missiles on the borders of Russia because we're the "good guys?"

Yes, we're the good guys. Ask Germany, South Korea, Japan, England, etc., etc. Russia has a track record too. If you prefer it, please move there.

Don't be so obtuse. REALLY??!!

Don't you believe the Russians believe they are the "good guys" as well?

Didn't it occur to you that there are no good guys and no bad guys?

Or perhaps that maybe the little people, us, the people that write on forums, that actually go to work, shop, take care of their kids, go to the park, sit down to dinner, pay their taxes, maybe these are the good guys. And it doesn't matter if they are American, Russian, Chinese or Ukrainian. They are the little people.

Maybe the folks that live cloistered lives in mansions, penthouses, statehouse and in limousines, with servants and security guards, determining the fates of peoples, nations, economies, and the world. Those who don't have a clue what it is like to know worry, want or fear. They manipulate the future of all, to keep secure their positions of power for their family and their political class. It makes no difference what their nationality is, because they too identify more with each other than with their nation. Perhaps it is they that are the bad guys? Or, perhaps they are just misguided, not knowing that their actions are dooming the entire species to annihilation?

I recommend you go back and read The Sneeches by Dr. Suess. Even the Russians love their mommies Iceweasel.

 

[Iceweasel]

Because you support American Exceptionalism. You believe Americans have the right to base missiles on the borders of Russia because we're the "good guys?"

Yes, we're the good guys. Ask Germany, South Korea, Japan, England, etc., etc. Russia has a track record too. If you prefer it, please move there.

Don't be so obtuse. REALLY??!!

Don't you believe the Russians believe they are the "good guys" as well?

Didn't it occur to you that there are no good guys and no bad guys?

No. I look at reality for my world view and don't live in a foggy sea of moral relativism. I see the good America did/does and the horrible track record of Russia.

Or perhaps that maybe the little people, us, the people that write on forums, that actually go to work, shop, take care of their kids, go to the park, sit down to dinner, pay their taxes, maybe these are the good guys. And it doesn't matter if they are American, Russian, Chinese or Ukrainian. They are the little people.

Maybe the folks that live cloistered lives in mansions, penthouses, statehouse and in limousines, with servants and security guards, determining the fates of peoples, nations, economies, and the world. Those who don't have a clue what it is like to know worry, want or fear. They manipulate the future of all, to keep secure their positions of power for their family and their political class. It makes no difference what their nationality is, because they too identify more with each other than with their nation. Perhaps it is they that are the bad guys? Or, perhaps they are just misguided, not knowing that their actions are dooming the entire species to annihilation?

I recommend you go back and read The Sneeches by Dr. Suess. Even the Russians love their mommies Iceweasel.

And you started out saying I was obtuse. What a retard.

 

[kidrocks]

Go Kerry... kick Putin's ass all the way back to Siberia.






Kerry condemns Russia's 'act of aggression' | MSNBC

Kerry declared Putin will come out of this ordeal the loser. “He’s going to lose on the international stage, Russia is going to lose, the Russian people are going to lose, and he’s going to lose all of the glow that came out of the Olympics, his $60 billion extravaganza.”

is this guy serious, this adminstration couldnt kick my ass

This administration Kicked Osama bin-Laden's didn't they.

 

[kidrocks]

"The US missile defense complex in Poland, also called the European Interceptor Site (EIS), was part of the Ballistic Missile Defense European Capability of the US. It was intended to be in Redzikowo, Słupsk, and Poland, forming a Ground-Based Midcourse Defense system in conjunction with an US narrow-beam midcourse tracking and discrimination radar system in the Brdy, or hills located in the Czech Republic.

"It was to consist of up to 10 silo-based interceptors: two-stage versions of the existing three-stage Ground Based Interceptors with Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicles and a closing speed of about 7 km/s.

"The plan was cancelled in 2009 and superseded by a more phased, practical one—the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System, which will include SM-3 Block IIA interceptors to be positioned in Poland around 2018."

US missile defense complex in Poland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now explain what YOUR reaction would be if Putin installed similar "interceptors" in Cuba because he wanted to protect Canada from North Korean nukes.

"Russia threatened to place short-range nuclear missiles on its borders with NATO if the United States refused to abandon its plans to deploy 10 interceptor missiles and a radar in Poland and the Czech Republic.[12][13] In April 2007, then-President Putin warned of a new Cold War if the Americans deployed the shield in Central Europe.[14] Putin also said that Russia was prepared to abandon its obligations under a Nuclear Forces Treaty of 1987 with the United States."

US missile defense complex in Poland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's a false premise so you WON'T get an answer. I reject it and YOU

Because you support American Exceptionalism.
You believe Americans have the right to base missiles on the borders of Russia because we're the "good guys?"
Mention that to the Iraqis, Libyans, and Syrians, etc, etc, etc.

So you don't believe Americans are the good guys anymore... is that it?

 

[MisterBeale]

So you don't believe Americans are the good guys anymore... is that it?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7LvUDCcNss]George Carlin - American BuIIsh!t 2008 - YouTube[/ame]

Most people wise up by the time they leave college or the military. They understand that the US is no different than any other nation on the planet, nor has it ever been.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/realpolitik

re·al·po·li·tik
noun, often capitalized \rā-ˈäl-ˌpō-li-ˌtēk\

: a system of politics based on a country's situation and its needs rather than on ideas about what is morally right and wrong

 

[kidrocks]

So you don't believe Americans are the good guys anymore... is that it?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7LvUDCcNss]George Carlin - American BuIIsh!t 2008 - YouTube[/ame]

Most people wise up by the time they leave college or the military. They understand that the US is no different than any other nation on the planet, nor has it ever been.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/realpolitik

re·al·po·li·tik
noun, often capitalized \rā-ˈäl-ˌpō-li-ˌtēk\

: a system of politics based on a country's situation and its needs rather than on ideas about what is morally right and wrong

Are you American?

 

[georgephillip]

It's a false premise so you WON'T get an answer. I reject it and YOU

Because you support American Exceptionalism.
You believe Americans have the right to base missiles on the borders of Russia because we're the "good guys?"
Mention that to the Iraqis, Libyans, and Syrians, etc, etc, etc.

So you don't believe Americans are the good guys anymore... is that it?

I believe Americans are 4% of the world's people controlling 25% of its wealth.
That's been the case since the end of WWII.
During that time period, only Americans have murdered, maimed, and displaced millions of innocent human beings on the opposite side of the planet from the US homeland.
Do you believe those are the actions of "good guys?"
I don't.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Because you support American Exceptionalism.
You believe Americans have the right to base missiles on the borders of Russia because we're the "good guys?"
Mention that to the Iraqis, Libyans, and Syrians, etc, etc, etc.

So you don't believe Americans are the good guys anymore... is that it?

I believe Americans are 4% of the world's people controlling 25% of its wealth.
That's been the case since the end of WWII.
During that time period, only Americans have murdered, maimed, and displaced millions of innocent human beings on the opposite side of the planet from the US homeland.
Do you believe those are the actions of "good guys?"
I don't.

Well sir, you're welcome to pack your bags and head to a country that more closely represents your "interests". Obviously, it ain't here.

Oh, and please don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoJdb1TLLJQ]Bye - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JimH52]

Dumbya ruined any leverage we had in world politics.

Just what leverage did we have after The Cowboy went around shooting things up?

 

[georgephillip]

Russia threatened to site short-range nuclear missiles in a second location on the European Union's border yesterday if the United States refuses to abandon plans to erect a missile defence shield.

In what appeared to be a fresh attempt to divide the West, a senior army general said that Iskander missiles could be deployed in Belarus if US proposals to place 10 interceptor missiles and a radar in Poland and the Czech Republic go ahead.

Added Bonus, pictures!

Iskander missiles could be deployed in the Baltic enclave of Kaliningrad

Exactly. That's why I don't use wikipedia. The article does not say:
"Russia threatened to place short-range nuclear missiles on its borders with NATO if the United States refused to abandon its plans to deploy 10 interceptor missiles and a radar in Poland and the Czech Republic."

The sloppy writing makes it look like they are doing so with NATO.[/QUOTE]
"Russia, which insists that the (US) missile shield is a plot to undermine its nuclear deterrents, has already said that Iskander missiles could be deployed in the Baltic enclave of Kaliningrad, which lies in EU territory.

"President Vladimir Putin has also threatened to retrain Russia's nuclear arsenal on targets within Europe.

"The creation of a second launch pad in Belarus, however, would allow Russia to place 'tactical and psychological' pressure on neighbouring Poland, where public support for the proposed shield is low.

"Analysts say that Mr Putin hopes to turn Europeans against the project by making it clear that they - rather than the Americans - would suffer the consequence of any nuclear confrontation."

Russia piles pressure on EU over missile shield - Telegraph

 

[RoadVirus]

Go Kerry... kick Putin's ass all the way back to Siberia.



Kerry condemns Russia's 'act of aggression' | MSNBC

Kerry declared Putin will come out of this ordeal the loser. “He’s going to lose on the international stage, Russia is going to lose, the Russian people are going to lose, and he’s going to lose all of the glow that came out of the Olympics, his $60 billion extravaganza.”

is this guy serious, this adminstration couldnt kick my ass

He couldn't kick ass on a playground full of 6 year olds (although his facial structure and a little make-up would scare those poor kids).

 

[RoadVirus]

Go Kerry... kick Putin's ass all the way back to Siberia.


Kerry condemns Russia's 'act of aggression' | MSNBC

is this guy serious, this adminstration couldnt kick my ass

This administration Kicked Osama bin-Laden's didn't they.

No...the Navy SEALs did that.

 

[Kosh]

So far Kerry's comments have proven to be false.

 

[Howey]

I'll bet The Pootin lovers are all over this one, huh?

 

[Howey]

No...the Navy SEALs did that.

And if the Seals had failed, who would you blame?

 

[kidrocks]

is this guy serious, this adminstration couldnt kick my ass

This administration Kicked Osama bin-Laden's didn't they.

No...the Navy SEALs did that.

It was a team effort baby.