Kerry Is wrong: Israel is already an apartheid state

I am only going to say this once, I have never been to this site before yesterday, I am not from Seatle or Ireland. I am Scottish.

Have to say unless you guys buck up your ideas and try debate over abuse and false claims of other identities then I probably won't be hanging round long. Lifes too short and theire are stupid but saveable folks on tinternet who need correcting.

Before you start growing your beard to accompany these crazies to their equally crazy friends in Iran, would you be so kind enough as to tell us where you even found out about this small group. After all, the majority of the readers, unless they come from certain areas of Brooklyn where some of the members of this tiny group reside,, had never heard of this tiny group of Jews, but it seems that the anti-Israel group always seems to know about them.
 
Irish hippy squealing and whining true to form:

.... try debate over abuse and false claims of other identities then I probably won't be hanging round long.

Yup,the Irish Neo Nazi, why he's promising to leave us again never to come back.

Seems strange, this anti Semite keeps re appearing and somehow he's from the UK. Ha ha ha.
 
Simples, "Forum" & "Israel Palestine" into a thing called google, you should try it,

I am a regular poster on NewsGeneral here in the UK and was a former poster on FSA & CE11 always under this name or "oldhippy". I changed it only to show my support for Scottish independence in the forthcoming referendum.
 
Well Roudy, I owe you an apology for ever considering your obtuseness deliberate, it's clearly genuine.
 
Simples, "Forum" & "Israel Palestine" into a thing called google, you should try it,

I am a regular poster on NewsGeneral here in the UK and was a former poster on FSA & CE11 always under this name or "oldhippy". I changed it only to show my support for Scottish independence in the forthcoming referendum.

I wonder how anyone would have been able to Google up this small group of Jews if they never heard of them in the first place. Meanwhile, of course, along with a few others Jews that can be used for their agenda, these Jews appear to be a favorite of the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites. How else would some Muslim woman from India have even have heard of this group unless for the hate sites.
 
No, I think you'll find i'm very exactly referencing True Torah Jews and would post a link to prove it if allowed but you can google it.

Of course as an old hand here you'll be able to post substantiating links to your argument rather than just declare someone "wrong". Jews broke their covenant with their God, Zionism is not enshrined by Judaism but forbidden by it.


That took a whole 3 seconds.

The Chareidim to whom you are referring are Israel's well known Welfare Queens.
Yes, even some Jews who learn Torah try to weasel their way onto the Welfare rolls.
How do you think there are so many Orthodox Jewish Representatives in New York City in Orthodox Jewish areas?

These are the same Chareidim who will gladly take money from the Israeli government but weasel their way out of military service.

Your turn.

They were doing the same thing when they were Palestinians and there was no welfare. I have no problem with folks not doing military service, I encourage it. Weird that you could even expect those who deny the Jewish State to fight for the Jewish State, you're not in sales are you?



If you are truly in Scotland then you will remember Lockerbie and the carnage caused by the Islamic terrorist bombing that killed 284 innocents
 
No, I think you'll find i'm very exactly referencing True Torah Jews and would post a link to prove it if allowed but you can google it.

Of course as an old hand here you'll be able to post substantiating links to your argument rather than just declare someone "wrong". Jews broke their covenant with their God, Zionism is not enshrined by Judaism but forbidden by it.


That took a whole 3 seconds.

The Chareidim to whom you are referring are Israel's well known Welfare Queens.
Yes, even some Jews who learn Torah try to weasel their way onto the Welfare rolls.
How do you think there are so many Orthodox Jewish Representatives in New York City in Orthodox Jewish areas?

These are the same Chareidim who will gladly take money from the Israeli government but weasel their way out of military service.

Your turn.

They were doing the same thing when they were Palestinians and there was no welfare. I have no problem with folks not doing military service, I encourage it. Weird that you could even expect those who deny the Jewish State to fight for the Jewish State, you're not in sales are you?

Hmm...I presume you're not a member of the tribe and have not actually made acquaintance with any of these very few miscreants.
I worked with some of these guys on Wall Street before they made Aliyah and they knew exactly what they were doing on Wall Street and exactly what they were gonna do in Israel.

These are cigarette smokin', potato chip eatin', black market racketeers who intellectualize their way out of social responsibility.
They also have a nasty habit of complaining when they don't get the "less" Jewish Jews to protect them with machine guns.

And BTW, THESE guys were NOT the brave Jews who were in the Land prior to 1948.
These guys wouldn't have survived for a month.
 
I am only going to say this once, I have never been to this site before yesterday, I am not from Seatle or Ireland. I am Scottish.

Have to say unless you guys buck up your ideas and try debate over abuse and false claims of other identities then I probably won't be hanging round long. Lifes too short and theire are stupid but saveable folks on tinternet who need correcting.

You already trashed pro Israeli posters, which was your signature drivel.
You also just responded to Roudy in a way you always did before.

Either way, we know it's you Mr. Seattle.

Welcome Back you Jew hating scumbag!!
 
That took a whole 3 seconds.

The Chareidim to whom you are referring are Israel's well known Welfare Queens.
Yes, even some Jews who learn Torah try to weasel their way onto the Welfare rolls.
How do you think there are so many Orthodox Jewish Representatives in New York City in Orthodox Jewish areas?

These are the same Chareidim who will gladly take money from the Israeli government but weasel their way out of military service.

Your turn.

They were doing the same thing when they were Palestinians and there was no welfare. I have no problem with folks not doing military service, I encourage it. Weird that you could even expect those who deny the Jewish State to fight for the Jewish State, you're not in sales are you?



If you are truly in Scotland then you will remember Lockerbie and the carnage caused by the Islamic terrorist bombing that killed 284 innocents

I remember Lockerbie very well, I hope someday the true perpetrators will answer for it.

I also remember Sabra & Shantilla, Jenin, I recall the disgust as I watched supposedly civilised people celebrate the brave IDF's shooting of 50 unarmed people on the MV Marmara, I remember Castlead, illegal settlements, barbaric sieges, brutal & illegal occupation, land theft,water theft, illegal settlements, extra judicial assassinations in Israel and abroad, imprisonment without trial, five invasions of Lebanon (one killing 20k civilians). I've learned about dier yassin and the razing of arab villages how two thirds of the refugees were created before the arab intervention. I've learned of the Royal David bombings, the terrorism of the Stern gang & how they would have fought with the perpetrators of the holocaust in return for the recognition of zionist aims. I've learned a lot and mostly it's been from BTSelem, an Israeli and Jewish HR group operating exclusively in the illegally occopied territories.

Israel is an odious, rogue state that uses state terrorism far more dangerously than a few muslim terrorists.
 
They were doing the same thing when they were Palestinians and there was no welfare. I have no problem with folks not doing military service, I encourage it. Weird that you could even expect those who deny the Jewish State to fight for the Jewish State, you're not in sales are you?



If you are truly in Scotland then you will remember Lockerbie and the carnage caused by the Islamic terrorist bombing that killed 284 innocents

I remember Lockerbie very well, I hope someday the true perpetrators will answer for it.

I also remember Sabra & Shantilla, Jenin, I recall the disgust as I watched supposedly civilised people celebrate the brave IDF's shooting of 50 unarmed people on the MV Marmara, I remember Castlead, illegal settlements, barbaric sieges, brutal & illegal occupation, land theft,water theft, illegal settlements, extra judicial assassinations in Israel and abroad, imprisonment without trial, five invasions of Lebanon (one killing 20k civilians). I've learned about dier yassin and the razing of arab villages how two thirds of the refugees were created before the arab intervention. I've learned of the Royal David bombings, the terrorism of the Stern gang & how they would have fought with the perpetrators of the holocaust in return for the recognition of zionist aims. I've learned a lot and mostly it's been from BTSelem, an Israeli and Jewish HR group operating exclusively in the illegally occopied territories.

Israel is an odious, rogue state that uses state terrorism far more dangerously than a few muslim terrorists.
Sabra and Shantilla? Royal David bombings? Ha ha ha. Get a load of this guy!

Not only he gets them totally wrong as he splatters his ignorance for all to see, he now professes to be about 110 years old. I mean that just's how old you have to be to remember the "Royal David" bombings.
 
They were doing the same thing when they were Palestinians and there was no welfare. I have no problem with folks not doing military service, I encourage it. Weird that you could even expect those who deny the Jewish State to fight for the Jewish State, you're not in sales are you?



If you are truly in Scotland then you will remember Lockerbie and the carnage caused by the Islamic terrorist bombing that killed 284 innocents

I remember Lockerbie very well, I hope someday the true perpetrators will answer for it.

I also remember Sabra & Shantilla, Jenin, I recall the disgust as I watched supposedly civilised people celebrate the brave IDF's shooting of 50 unarmed people on the MV Marmara, I remember Castlead, illegal settlements, barbaric sieges, brutal & illegal occupation, land theft,water theft, illegal settlements, extra judicial assassinations in Israel and abroad, imprisonment without trial, five invasions of Lebanon (one killing 20k civilians). I've learned about dier yassin and the razing of arab villages how two thirds of the refugees were created before the arab intervention. I've learned of the Royal David bombings, the terrorism of the Stern gang & how they would have fought with the perpetrators of the holocaust in return for the recognition of zionist aims. I've learned a lot and mostly it's been from BTSelem, an Israeli and Jewish HR group operating exclusively in the illegally occopied territories.

Israel is an odious, rogue state that uses state terrorism far more dangerously than a few muslim terrorists.

You just gave yourself away again by saying BTselem is an Israeli and Jewish organization and that Israel is worse than Muslim terrorists. The latter was one of your trademark posts.

Atta boy Mr. Seattle, you still have nothing better to do then this.
Pathetic life you have. I can't imagine being your age and doing the things you do.
 
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If you are truly in Scotland then you will remember Lockerbie and the carnage caused by the Islamic terrorist bombing that killed 284 innocents

I remember Lockerbie very well, I hope someday the true perpetrators will answer for it.

I also remember Sabra & Shantilla, Jenin, I recall the disgust as I watched supposedly civilised people celebrate the brave IDF's shooting of 50 unarmed people on the MV Marmara, I remember Castlead, illegal settlements, barbaric sieges, brutal & illegal occupation, land theft,water theft, illegal settlements, extra judicial assassinations in Israel and abroad, imprisonment without trial, five invasions of Lebanon (one killing 20k civilians). I've learned about dier yassin and the razing of arab villages how two thirds of the refugees were created before the arab intervention. I've learned of the Royal David bombings, the terrorism of the Stern gang & how they would have fought with the perpetrators of the holocaust in return for the recognition of zionist aims. I've learned a lot and mostly it's been from BTSelem, an Israeli and Jewish HR group operating exclusively in the illegally occopied territories.

Israel is an odious, rogue state that uses state terrorism far more dangerously than a few muslim terrorists.
Sabra and Shantilla? Royal David bombings? Ha ha ha. Get a load of this guy!

Not only he gets them totally wrong as he splatters his ignorance for all to see, he now professes to be about 110 years old. I mean that just's how old you have to be to remember the "Royal David" bombings.

He's making those mistakes on purpose so we will think it's not the Irish loser with no life, Mr. Seattle.
 
They were doing the same thing when they were Palestinians and there was no welfare. I have no problem with folks not doing military service, I encourage it. Weird that you could even expect those who deny the Jewish State to fight for the Jewish State, you're not in sales are you?



If you are truly in Scotland then you will remember Lockerbie and the carnage caused by the Islamic terrorist bombing that killed 284 innocents

I remember Lockerbie very well, I hope someday the true perpetrators will answer for it.

I also remember Sabra & Shantilla, Jenin, I recall the disgust as I watched supposedly civilised people celebrate the brave IDF's shooting of 50 unarmed people on the MV Marmara, I remember Castlead, illegal settlements, barbaric sieges, brutal & illegal occupation, land theft,water theft, illegal settlements, extra judicial assassinations in Israel and abroad, imprisonment without trial, five invasions of Lebanon (one killing 20k civilians). I've learned about dier yassin and the razing of arab villages how two thirds of the refugees were created before the arab intervention. I've learned of the Royal David bombings, the terrorism of the Stern gang & how they would have fought with the perpetrators of the holocaust in return for the recognition of zionist aims. I've learned a lot and mostly it's been from BTSelem, an Israeli and Jewish HR group operating exclusively in the illegally occopied territories.

Israel is an odious, rogue state that uses state terrorism far more dangerously than a few muslim terrorists.
Darned if you're not more well-traveled then Forrest Gump. Did you show the Stern gang your rump?
 
They were doing the same thing when they were Palestinians and there was no welfare. I have no problem with folks not doing military service, I encourage it. Weird that you could even expect those who deny the Jewish State to fight for the Jewish State, you're not in sales are you?



If you are truly in Scotland then you will remember Lockerbie and the carnage caused by the Islamic terrorist bombing that killed 284 innocents

I remember Lockerbie very well, I hope someday the true perpetrators will answer for it.

I also remember Sabra & Shantilla, Jenin, I recall the disgust as I watched supposedly civilised people celebrate the brave IDF's shooting of 50 unarmed people on the MV Marmara, I remember Castlead, illegal settlements, barbaric sieges, brutal & illegal occupation, land theft,water theft, illegal settlements, extra judicial assassinations in Israel and abroad, imprisonment without trial, five invasions of Lebanon (one killing 20k civilians). I've learned about dier yassin and the razing of arab villages how two thirds of the refugees were created before the arab intervention. I've learned of the Royal David bombings, the terrorism of the Stern gang & how they would have fought with the perpetrators of the holocaust in return for the recognition of zionist aims. I've learned a lot and mostly it's been from BTSelem, an Israeli and Jewish HR group operating exclusively in the illegally occopied territories.

Israel is an odious, rogue state that uses state terrorism far more dangerously than a few muslim terrorists.



So it is not much worse than Scotland at the end of the day, after all your leader has stood back while brave Scotsmen have beaten up children in a racial assault. One a 7 year old boy the other an 11 year old boy. Then there was the case of the disabled man dragged from his mobility car and beaten in a racial attack. In all 3 cases they made racist remarks about England and the English.

Did you also hear about the attacks on the Palestinians by Jordan when they fired grenades and automatics into the concentration camps killing from between 20,000 and 50,000 Palestinians

Do you remember what came before Sabra and Shantilla at the hands of the Palestinians. Or that Jenin was proven to be a BLOOD LIBEL and every death was attributed to the Palestinians. Remember the banners produced by the Palestinians the next day, and how the best printers would have taken at least 3 days to produce similar work.

Do you remember the video footage taken by people on the boat that showed the heavily armed terrorists firing pistols at the Israelis, and throwing grenades. The before footage that showed the large knives they had and used to gut the IDF officer.


And you have given away your dhimmi status or even your ISLAMOINAZI membership by claiming the occupation is illegal. Show were the occupation is illegal and when the Hague has issued arrest warrants for the Jewish commanders
 
et al,

Some 197 responses on the previous thread ( Kerry Warns of Israeli ‘Apartheid’ ) and 70+ plus responses here, and I still have not seen how Israel is an "Apartheid" state which violates Article 7 of the Rome Statutes.

Article 7 - Crimes against Humanity - Paragraph 2(h) said:
"The crime of apartheid" means inhumane acts of a character similar to those referred to in paragraph 1, committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;

1. For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:

(a) Murder;

(b) Extermination;

(c) Enslavement;

(d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;

(e) Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law;

(f) Torture;

(g) Rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;

(h) Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender as defined in paragraph 3, or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crime within the jurisdiction of the Court;

(i) Enforced disappearance of persons;

(j) The crime of apartheid;

(k) Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health.​

SOURCE: PART 2. JURISDICTION, ADMISSIBILITY AND APPLICABLE LAW

Nothing that Israel does is any different than the normal conduct of governmental affairs of most Arab League Nation or Islamic States.

If Israel is an "Apartheid State" --- then so are most of the other Regional States, including the Arab State of Palestine (alla 1988).

Abbas pledges: There will be no Israelis in Palestine
‘In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,’ says PA leader

Most Respectfully,
R
 
If you are truly in Scotland then you will remember Lockerbie and the carnage caused by the Islamic terrorist bombing that killed 284 innocents

I remember Lockerbie very well, I hope someday the true perpetrators will answer for it.

I also remember Sabra & Shantilla, Jenin, I recall the disgust as I watched supposedly civilised people celebrate the brave IDF's shooting of 50 unarmed people on the MV Marmara, I remember Castlead, illegal settlements, barbaric sieges, brutal & illegal occupation, land theft,water theft, illegal settlements, extra judicial assassinations in Israel and abroad, imprisonment without trial, five invasions of Lebanon (one killing 20k civilians). I've learned about dier yassin and the razing of arab villages how two thirds of the refugees were created before the arab intervention. I've learned of the Royal David bombings, the terrorism of the Stern gang & how they would have fought with the perpetrators of the holocaust in return for the recognition of zionist aims. I've learned a lot and mostly it's been from BTSelem, an Israeli and Jewish HR group operating exclusively in the illegally occopied territories.

Israel is an odious, rogue state that uses state terrorism far more dangerously than a few muslim terrorists.
Sabra and Shantilla? Royal David bombings? Ha ha ha. Get a load of this guy!

Not only he gets them totally wrong as he splatters his ignorance for all to see, he now professes to be about 110 years old. I mean that just's how old you have to be to remember the "Royal David" bombings.


He is a fake and is most likely one of the banned ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS from before. He gave this away when he stated he was Scots and for the devolution, yet is also for Palestine. The Scots are the most racist people I have ever came across and have had to enact laws to stamp out the racism endemic in Scotland.
 
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If you are truly in Scotland then you will remember Lockerbie and the carnage caused by the Islamic terrorist bombing that killed 284 innocents

I remember Lockerbie very well, I hope someday the true perpetrators will answer for it.

I also remember Sabra & Shantilla, Jenin, I recall the disgust as I watched supposedly civilised people celebrate the brave IDF's shooting of 50 unarmed people on the MV Marmara, I remember Castlead, illegal settlements, barbaric sieges, brutal & illegal occupation, land theft,water theft, illegal settlements, extra judicial assassinations in Israel and abroad, imprisonment without trial, five invasions of Lebanon (one killing 20k civilians). I've learned about dier yassin and the razing of arab villages how two thirds of the refugees were created before the arab intervention. I've learned of the Royal David bombings, the terrorism of the Stern gang & how they would have fought with the perpetrators of the holocaust in return for the recognition of zionist aims. I've learned a lot and mostly it's been from BTSelem, an Israeli and Jewish HR group operating exclusively in the illegally occopied territories.

Israel is an odious, rogue state that uses state terrorism far more dangerously than a few muslim terrorists.

You just gave yourself away again by saying BTselem is an Israeli and Jewish organization and that Israel is worse than Muslim terrorists. The latter was one of your trademark posts.

Atta boy Mr. Seattle, you still have nothing better to do then this.
Pathetic life you have. I can't imagine being your age and doing the things you do.




I wonder if his favourite tipple is a Highland or an Islay malt, or is it Zam Zam water
 
I remember Lockerbie very well, I hope someday the true perpetrators will answer for it.

I also remember Sabra & Shantilla, Jenin, I recall the disgust as I watched supposedly civilised people celebrate the brave IDF's shooting of 50 unarmed people on the MV Marmara, I remember Castlead, illegal settlements, barbaric sieges, brutal & illegal occupation, land theft,water theft, illegal settlements, extra judicial assassinations in Israel and abroad, imprisonment without trial, five invasions of Lebanon (one killing 20k civilians). I've learned about dier yassin and the razing of arab villages how two thirds of the refugees were created before the arab intervention. I've learned of the Royal David bombings, the terrorism of the Stern gang & how they would have fought with the perpetrators of the holocaust in return for the recognition of zionist aims. I've learned a lot and mostly it's been from BTSelem, an Israeli and Jewish HR group operating exclusively in the illegally occopied territories.

Israel is an odious, rogue state that uses state terrorism far more dangerously than a few muslim terrorists.
Sabra and Shantilla? Royal David bombings? Ha ha ha. Get a load of this guy!

Not only he gets them totally wrong as he splatters his ignorance for all to see, he now professes to be about 110 years old. I mean that just's how old you have to be to remember the "Royal David" bombings.


He is a fake and is most likely one of the banned ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS from before. He gave this away when he stated he was Scots and for the devolution, yet is also for Palestine. The Scots are the most racist people I have ever came across and have had to enact laws to stamp out the racism endemic in Scotland.

We are devolved, we're voting for independence. Of course I reject completely the accusation of racism and whilst we haven't stamped it out we're much more tolerant than the third of the world I've visited. Regardless of their ethnic appearance the minute a Weedgie (Glaswegian) opens their mouth to speak they're a Weedgie first and whatever else second, there's no more greater evidence for our tolerance than the Weedgie accent. I'll just chock up the racism you just displayed for the Scots as symptomatic of your being unable to rebut the points I made
 
I remember Lockerbie very well, I hope someday the true perpetrators will answer for it.

I also remember Sabra & Shantilla, Jenin, I recall the disgust as I watched supposedly civilised people celebrate the brave IDF's shooting of 50 unarmed people on the MV Marmara, I remember Castlead, illegal settlements, barbaric sieges, brutal & illegal occupation, land theft,water theft, illegal settlements, extra judicial assassinations in Israel and abroad, imprisonment without trial, five invasions of Lebanon (one killing 20k civilians). I've learned about dier yassin and the razing of arab villages how two thirds of the refugees were created before the arab intervention. I've learned of the Royal David bombings, the terrorism of the Stern gang & how they would have fought with the perpetrators of the holocaust in return for the recognition of zionist aims. I've learned a lot and mostly it's been from BTSelem, an Israeli and Jewish HR group operating exclusively in the illegally occopied territories.

Israel is an odious, rogue state that uses state terrorism far more dangerously than a few muslim terrorists.
Sabra and Shantilla? Royal David bombings? Ha ha ha. Get a load of this guy!

Not only he gets them totally wrong as he splatters his ignorance for all to see, he now professes to be about 110 years old. I mean that just's how old you have to be to remember the "Royal David" bombings.


He is a fake and is most likely one of the banned ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS from before. He gave this away when he stated he was Scots and for the devolution, yet is also for Palestine. The Scots are the most racist people I have ever came across and have had to enact laws to stamp out the racism endemic in Scotland.

Exactly what is a fake avatar? I've made no claim except for my nationality,

Civilised nations (and in this it is the UK Gov) enact equality legislation, You'll figure it out eventually.
 
Sabra and Shantilla? Royal David bombings? Ha ha ha. Get a load of this guy!

Not only he gets them totally wrong as he splatters his ignorance for all to see, he now professes to be about 110 years old. I mean that just's how old you have to be to remember the "Royal David" bombings.


He is a fake and is most likely one of the banned ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS from before. He gave this away when he stated he was Scots and for the devolution, yet is also for Palestine. The Scots are the most racist people I have ever came across and have had to enact laws to stamp out the racism endemic in Scotland.

We are devolved, we're voting for independence. Of course I reject completely the accusation of racism and whilst we haven't stamped it out we're much more tolerant than the third of the world I've visited. Regardless of their ethnic appearance the minute a Weedgie (Glaswegian) opens their mouth to speak they're a Weedgie first and whatever else second, there's no more greater evidence for our tolerance than the Weedgie accent. I'll just chock up the racism you just displayed for the Scots as symptomatic of your being unable to rebut the points I made




Not according to Salmond who wants it all his way, and will end up selling the scots down the river. Of course you reject the notion that Scotland is one of the most racist nations on earth, to do otherwise would be a kick in the teeth for all those racist scots. But this shows just how racist Scotland is Scotland against Racism

I know many Glaswegeans one is my sister in law, and they are nice people. The problem stems from the RACIST SNP who are inherently RACIST as shown by Salmonds words a few years back.

By the way telling the truth is not racism no matter how much you would like it to be so, but the fact remains that the Scots hate the English because you had to go cap in hand and begging bowl held out when you went bankrupt.


Now is it Buckies, Islay, blended or Zam Zam water
 
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