Kerry Is wrong: Israel is already an apartheid state

[Auldhippy]

Nope, you will know when I'm "kidding" by your incontinence as you read my jests, until the arrival of the zionists, Jews fared far far better in muslim lands than they ever did in Christian, no pogroms, no holocausts. They lived harmoneously with Christians and muslims under Ottoman rule.

Zionism is expressly forbidden by the Torah, Jews may only rule Israel after their messiah arrives, present day Israel is premature jizzing. As a new poster I'm not allowed yet to post links so please Google "true torah Jews"

 

[Indeependent]

Nope, you will know when I'm "kidding" by your incontinence as you read my jests, until the arrival of the zionists, Jews fared far far better in muslim lands than they ever did in Christian, no pogroms, no holocausts. They lived harmoneously with Christians and muslims under Ottoman rule.

Zionism is expressly forbidden by the Torah, Jews may only rule Israel after their messiah arrives, present day Israel is premature jizzing. As a new poster I'm not allowed yet to post links so please Google "true torah Jews"

You are very poorly referencing a Midrash whereby the Jews are not supposed to force their way back to Israel as long as the Non-Jewish nations are not overly harsh.
As far as the Non-Jewish nations not being overly harsh...ever hear of the Holocaust.

Another fail by someone who didn't bother to look up and read the entire source.

 

[Auldhippy]

Wow!

Israel is illegally occupying Palestine! Israel is inflicting brutal oppression on Palestine, even a barbaric and medievil siege of part of Palestine for the crime of being democratic.

Throughout the last millenium until Zionism Jews have fared much better in muslim lands than they ever did in Christian and but for the arrival of Zionists, European Jews with no genetic or familial connections to Palestine, Jews too would be calling themselves ARAB and PALESTINIAN.

Zionism is not enshrined in Judaism, it is a political construct . Indeed True Torah Jews consider Zionism prohibited by Judaism, Jews broke their covenant with their God and not until the arrival of their Messiah should Jews have sovereignty over Israel.

The true descendents of biblical Israel are Palestinian, once Jews they converted over the centuries to either Christianity or islam. European Jews or Ashkenazi have no connection to Israel, Haradi have always lived in small numbers in Palestine and even now foreswear their right to sovereignty over the land.

I don't think there were any of us who ever heard of these "True Torah Jews" until people started pulling them up from the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites where they certainly are among the favorite Jews mentioned on these sites. I wonder if anyone can tell us why some these "True Torah Jews" live in the state of Israel. Meanwhile, I would imagine anyone who champions these "True Torah Jews" can grow himself a beard and go with these crazies when they visit their equally crazy friends in Irah.

In Israel they are called Haradim, from Wiki:

From the start of political Zionism in the 1890s, Haredi leaders voiced objection to its secular orientation and before the establishment of the State of Israel, the majority of Haredi Jews were opposed to Zionism. This was chiefly due to the concern that secular nationalism would replace the Jewish faith and the observance of religion, and the view that it was forbidden for the Jews to reconstitute Jewish rule in the Land of Israel before the arrival of the Messiah. Those rabbis who did support Jewish settlement in Palestine in the late 19th-century, had no intention of conquering Palestine from the Ottoman Turks[1] and were resolute that only observant Jews be allowed to settle there.

It was this that led the British to assume that Zionism did not intend statehood, originally zionism was about a homeland but never a state. Albert Einstein warned against statehood. Lord Balfour wasn't that bright though and was easily conned.

 

[Auldhippy]

Nope, you will know when I'm "kidding" by your incontinence as you read my jests, until the arrival of the zionists, Jews fared far far better in muslim lands than they ever did in Christian, no pogroms, no holocausts. They lived harmoneously with Christians and muslims under Ottoman rule.

Zionism is expressly forbidden by the Torah, Jews may only rule Israel after their messiah arrives, present day Israel is premature jizzing. As a new poster I'm not allowed yet to post links so please Google "true torah Jews"

You are very poorly referencing a Midrash whereby the Jews are not supposed to force their way back to Israel as long as the Non-Jewish nations are not overly harsh.
As far as the Non-Jewish nations not being overly harsh...ever hear of the Holocaust.

Another fail by someone who didn't bother to look up and read the entire source.

No, I think you'll find i'm very exactly referencing True Torah Jews and would post a link to prove it if allowed but you can google it.

Of course as an old hand here you'll be able to post substantiating links to your argument rather than just declare someone "wrong". Jews broke their covenant with their God, Zionism is not enshrined by Judaism but forbidden by it.

 

[Roudy]

Wow!

Israel is illegally occupying Palestine! Israel is inflicting brutal oppression on Palestine, even a barbaric and medievil siege of part of Palestine for the crime of being democratic.

Throughout the last millenium until Zionism Jews have fared much better in muslim lands than they ever did in Christian and but for the arrival of Zionists, European Jews with no genetic or familial connections to Palestine, Jews too would be calling themselves ARAB and PALESTINIAN.

Zionism is not enshrined in Judaism, it is a political construct . Indeed True Torah Jews consider Zionism prohibited by Judaism, Jews broke their covenant with their God and not until the arrival of their Messiah should Jews have sovereignty over Israel.

The true descendents of biblical Israel are Palestinian, once Jews they converted over the centuries to either Christianity or islam. European Jews or Ashkenazi have no connection to Israel, Haradi have always lived in small numbers in Palestine and even now foreswear their right to sovereignty over the land.

Why do you guys keep repeating the same old lies and crap over and over and over, as if it's somehow gong to become true? ha ha ha.

 

[Auldhippy]

Come now dear fellow, I arrived here only yesterday and so have not said anything "over and over". If you think I've misspoke in some way then poop or get off the potty.

Why must Israeli supporters always be told the rules? I make an argument and you make an argument and we pick the bones out, bring it on old bean who laughs at his own comments. (probably the only person)

 

[Lipush]

Huh?!

 

[toastman]

Mr. Seattle is back.

 

[Kondor3]

Mr. Seattle is back.

Was he-she-it a pro-Palestinian or anti-Israeli type?

He-she-it never left that deep an impression on me.

At any rate, dont'cha love it, how some of these characters slink back in, and try to pawn themselves off as a different persona?

Sooner or later, their ingrained behaviors give them away.

And some are a damned-sight easier to spot than others.

 

[toastman]

Mr. Seattle is back.

Was he-she-it a pro-Palestinian or anti-Israeli type?

He-she-it never left that deep an impression on me.

At any rate, dont'cha love it, how some of these characters slink back in, and try to pawn themselves off as a different persona?

Sooner or later, their ingrained behaviors give them away.

And some are a damned-sight easier to spot than others.

Right. No matter how hard they try, their signature behaviour will come out sooner or later.

 

[Indeependent]

Nope, you will know when I'm "kidding" by your incontinence as you read my jests, until the arrival of the zionists, Jews fared far far better in muslim lands than they ever did in Christian, no pogroms, no holocausts. They lived harmoneously with Christians and muslims under Ottoman rule.

Zionism is expressly forbidden by the Torah, Jews may only rule Israel after their messiah arrives, present day Israel is premature jizzing. As a new poster I'm not allowed yet to post links so please Google "true torah Jews"

You are very poorly referencing a Midrash whereby the Jews are not supposed to force their way back to Israel as long as the Non-Jewish nations are not overly harsh.
As far as the Non-Jewish nations not being overly harsh...ever hear of the Holocaust.

Another fail by someone who didn't bother to look up and read the entire source.

No, I think you'll find i'm very exactly referencing True Torah Jews and would post a link to prove it if allowed but you can google it.

Of course as an old hand here you'll be able to post substantiating links to your argument rather than just declare someone "wrong". Jews broke their covenant with their God, Zionism is not enshrined by Judaism but forbidden by it.

Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That took a whole 3 seconds.

The Chareidim to whom you are referring are Israel's well known Welfare Queens.
Yes, even some Jews who learn Torah try to weasel their way onto the Welfare rolls.
How do you think there are so many Orthodox Jewish Representatives in New York City in Orthodox Jewish areas?

These are the same Chareidim who will gladly take money from the Israeli government but weasel their way out of military service.

Your turn.

 

[Indeependent]

Come now dear fellow, I arrived here only yesterday and so have not said anything "over and over". If you think I've misspoke in some way then poop or get off the potty.

Why must Israeli supporters always be told the rules? I make an argument and you make an argument and we pick the bones out, bring it on old bean who laughs at his own comments. (probably the only person)

Because the overwhelming number of Israel supporters are highly educated, charitable and civilized.
They also realize that the Jews in Babylonia, Greece, Rome, Russia, Germany and Poland were not murdering GOYIM who REFUSED to convert to Judaism.

 

[Sally]

Wow!

Israel is illegally occupying Palestine! Israel is inflicting brutal oppression on Palestine, even a barbaric and medievil siege of part of Palestine for the crime of being democratic.

Throughout the last millenium until Zionism Jews have fared much better in muslim lands than they ever did in Christian and but for the arrival of Zionists, European Jews with no genetic or familial connections to Palestine, Jews too would be calling themselves ARAB and PALESTINIAN.

Zionism is not enshrined in Judaism, it is a political construct . Indeed True Torah Jews consider Zionism prohibited by Judaism, Jews broke their covenant with their God and not until the arrival of their Messiah should Jews have sovereignty over Israel.

The true descendents of biblical Israel are Palestinian, once Jews they converted over the centuries to either Christianity or islam. European Jews or Ashkenazi have no connection to Israel, Haradi have always lived in small numbers in Palestine and even now foreswear their right to sovereignty over the land.

I don't think there were any of us who ever heard of these "True Torah Jews" until people started pulling them up from the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites where they certainly are among the favorite Jews mentioned on these sites. I wonder if anyone can tell us why some these "True Torah Jews" live in the state of Israel. Meanwhile, I would imagine anyone who champions these "True Torah Jews" can grow himself a beard and go with these crazies when they visit their equally crazy friends in Irah.

In Israel they are called Haradim, from Wiki:

From the start of political Zionism in the 1890s, Haredi leaders voiced objection to its secular orientation and before the establishment of the State of Israel, the majority of Haredi Jews were opposed to Zionism. This was chiefly due to the concern that secular nationalism would replace the Jewish faith and the observance of religion, and the view that it was forbidden for the Jews to reconstitute Jewish rule in the Land of Israel before the arrival of the Messiah. Those rabbis who did support Jewish settlement in Palestine in the late 19th-century, had no intention of conquering Palestine from the Ottoman Turks[1] and were resolute that only observant Jews be allowed to settle there.

It was this that led the British to assume that Zionism did not intend statehood, originally zionism was about a homeland but never a state. Albert Einstein warned against statehood. Lord Balfour wasn't that bright though and was easily conned.

Just starft growing your beard, and you can go with those friends of yours, "The True Torah Jews" to visit those crazies in Iran. You will fit right in then. Meanwhile, why not tell us the number of these "True Torah Jews?" It really is amusing how "new" posters show up and throw out the same old, same old as the readers have heard numerous times before. They all seem to be reading from the same script. Meanwhile, in Israel everyone is allowed to practice his or her religious beliefs in peace and not have to worry about being suicide or car bombed as we see in the other Middle East countries. Why not find some Bahai's and ask them how they are treated in israel? Or how about some Ahmadiyya Muslims?

 

[Phoenall]

You are very poorly referencing a Midrash whereby the Jews are not supposed to force their way back to Israel as long as the Non-Jewish nations are not overly harsh.
As far as the Non-Jewish nations not being overly harsh...ever hear of the Holocaust.

Another fail by someone who didn't bother to look up and read the entire source.

No, I think you'll find i'm very exactly referencing True Torah Jews and would post a link to prove it if allowed but you can google it.

Of course as an old hand here you'll be able to post substantiating links to your argument rather than just declare someone "wrong". Jews broke their covenant with their God, Zionism is not enshrined by Judaism but forbidden by it.

Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That took a whole 3 seconds.

The Chareidim to whom you are referring are Israel's well known Welfare Queens.
Yes, even some Jews who learn Torah try to weasel their way onto the Welfare rolls.
How do you think there are so many Orthodox Jewish Representatives in New York City in Orthodox Jewish areas?

These are the same Chareidim who will gladly take money from the Israeli government but weasel their way out of military service.

Your turn.

maybe he can produce one of the many faked by islam verses from the Talmud that defends his opinion. An opinion that has been forced on him by his imam and the team of extremist muslims that surround him during prayers.

 

[Roudy]

Come now dear fellow, I arrived here only yesterday and so have not said anything "over and over". If you think I've misspoke in some way then poop or get off the potty.

Why must Israeli supporters always be told the rules? I make an argument and you make an argument and we pick the bones out, bring it on old bean who laughs at his own comments. (probably the only person)

Come on Irish hippy, we've heard your shit like a million times from Islamists and neo Nazis. The millionth and one time is a charm?

 

[aris2chat]

Wow!

Israel is illegally occupying Palestine! Israel is inflicting brutal oppression on Palestine, even a barbaric and medievil siege of part of Palestine for the crime of being democratic.

Throughout the last millenium until Zionism Jews have fared much better in muslim lands than they ever did in Christian and but for the arrival of Zionists, European Jews with no genetic or familial connections to Palestine, Jews too would be calling themselves ARAB and PALESTINIAN.

Zionism is not enshrined in Judaism, it is a political construct . Indeed True Torah Jews consider Zionism prohibited by Judaism, Jews broke their covenant with their God and not until the arrival of their Messiah should Jews have sovereignty over Israel.

The true descendents of biblical Israel are Palestinian, once Jews they converted over the centuries to either Christianity or islam. European Jews or Ashkenazi have no connection to Israel, Haradi have always lived in small numbers in Palestine and even now foreswear their right to sovereignty over the land.

I don't think there were any of us who ever heard of these "True Torah Jews" until people started pulling them up from the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites where they certainly are among the favorite Jews mentioned on these sites. I wonder if anyone can tell us why some these "True Torah Jews" live in the state of Israel. Meanwhile, I would imagine anyone who champions these "True Torah Jews" can grow himself a beard and go with these crazies when they visit their equally crazy friends in Irah.

He is talking about the Neturei Karta

 

[member]

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"No, I think you'll find i'm very exactly referencing True Torah Jews and would post a link to prove it if allowed but you can google it. Of course as an old hand here you'll be able to post substantiating links to your argument rather than just declare someone "wrong".

.....Jews broke their covenant with their God, Zionism is not enshrined by Judaism but forbidden by it."

"Come now dear fellow, I arrived here only yesterday and so have not said anything "over and over". If you think I've misspoke in some way then poop or get off the potty. Why must Israeli supporters always be told the rules? I make an argument and you make an argument and we pick the bones out, bring it on old bean who laughs at his own comments. (probably the only person)."

"Mr. Seattle is back."

 

[Sally]

Wow!

Israel is illegally occupying Palestine! Israel is inflicting brutal oppression on Palestine, even a barbaric and medievil siege of part of Palestine for the crime of being democratic.

Throughout the last millenium until Zionism Jews have fared much better in muslim lands than they ever did in Christian and but for the arrival of Zionists, European Jews with no genetic or familial connections to Palestine, Jews too would be calling themselves ARAB and PALESTINIAN.

Zionism is not enshrined in Judaism, it is a political construct . Indeed True Torah Jews consider Zionism prohibited by Judaism, Jews broke their covenant with their God and not until the arrival of their Messiah should Jews have sovereignty over Israel.

The true descendents of biblical Israel are Palestinian, once Jews they converted over the centuries to either Christianity or islam. European Jews or Ashkenazi have no connection to Israel, Haradi have always lived in small numbers in Palestine and even now foreswear their right to sovereignty over the land.

I don't think there were any of us who ever heard of these "True Torah Jews" until people started pulling them up from the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites where they certainly are among the favorite Jews mentioned on these sites. I wonder if anyone can tell us why some these "True Torah Jews" live in the state of Israel. Meanwhile, I would imagine anyone who champions these "True Torah Jews" can grow himself a beard and go with these crazies when they visit their equally crazy friends in Irah.

He is talking about the Neturei Karta

I know, Aris --a small group of Jews dug up from the hate sites -- Jews that most of the readers would have never heard of before if they weren't so beloved on these hate sites. My gooessn, even some Muslim woman from a southern state in India would drag up this tiny, tiny group of Jews all the time. You actually think she learned about this group of Jews at her madrassa? Somehow I seriously doubt it. However, as sure as the sun rises in the morning and sets at night, we will see others drag up this group of Jews because these Jews fall right into their agenda of demonizing Israel.

 

[Auldhippy]

You are very poorly referencing a Midrash whereby the Jews are not supposed to force their way back to Israel as long as the Non-Jewish nations are not overly harsh.
As far as the Non-Jewish nations not being overly harsh...ever hear of the Holocaust.

Another fail by someone who didn't bother to look up and read the entire source.

No, I think you'll find i'm very exactly referencing True Torah Jews and would post a link to prove it if allowed but you can google it.

Of course as an old hand here you'll be able to post substantiating links to your argument rather than just declare someone "wrong". Jews broke their covenant with their God, Zionism is not enshrined by Judaism but forbidden by it.

That took a whole 3 seconds.

The Chareidim to whom you are referring are Israel's well known Welfare Queens.
Yes, even some Jews who learn Torah try to weasel their way onto the Welfare rolls.
How do you think there are so many Orthodox Jewish Representatives in New York City in Orthodox Jewish areas?

These are the same Chareidim who will gladly take money from the Israeli government but weasel their way out of military service.

Your turn.

They were doing the same thing when they were Palestinians and there was no welfare. I have no problem with folks not doing military service, I encourage it. Weird that you could even expect those who deny the Jewish State to fight for the Jewish State, you're not in sales are you?

 

[Auldhippy]

I am only going to say this once, I have never been to this site before yesterday, I am not from Seatle or Ireland. I am Scottish.

Have to say unless you guys buck up your ideas and try debate over abuse and false claims of other identities then I probably won't be hanging round long. Lifes too short and theire are stupid but saveable folks on tinternet who need correcting.