Kerry Is wrong: Israel is already an apartheid state

[pbel]

Ruebner is an Islamic terrorist loving Communist that has devoted a lifetime to badmouthing Israel.

do you have something to counter with? are the 50 laws made up? did human rights watch not release that report?

is there something other than a pro-israel knee-jerk sentiment informing your opinion?

Is there anything but hatred to Israel in your, Pbel's and Tinnie's mind?

Its not hatred but facts on the ground.


Kerry meant Apartheid Future Must be Avoided by Israel
A de-facto apartheid already exists in the West Bank. Inside the borders of Israel proper, Arabs and Jews are judged by the same set of laws in the same courtrooms; across the Green Line, Jews live under Israeli civil law as well, but their Arab neighbors — people who live, in some cases, just yards away — fall under a different, and substantially undemocratic, set of laws, administered by the Israeli Army.


The system is neither as elaborate nor as pervasive as South African apartheid, and it is, officially, temporary. It is nevertheless a form of apartheid, because two different ethnic groups living in the same territory are judged by two separate sets of laws.

 

[montelatici]

Ruebner is an Islamic terrorist loving Communist that has devoted a lifetime to badmouthing Israel.

do you have something to counter with? are the 50 laws made up? did human rights watch not release that report?

is there something other than a pro-israel knee-jerk sentiment informing your opinion?

Try the fact that better authorities on apartheid have stated that Israel is not an apartheid state, and that the only laws that are different for non Jews are the ones dealing with conscription. This is like the licence plate fiasco when the muslims complained that they were given different coloured licence plates to the Jews, until it came out they were going to another part of Israel because of the colour of that parts licence plates.

Israel is an Apartheid state, no question. The fact that Jews are allowed to settle in Israel through the right of return and those of other religions are not is just one of the discriminatory laws. The fact that non-Jews are discriminated in land purchases, land is reserved for only Jews. That would be like reserving land in the U.S. that only whites could buy.

Here is the HRW report on the Israeli Apartheid laws:

"Separate and Unequal"

Separate and Unequal | Human Rights Watch

 

[Roudy]

Must suck to be a West Bank Jordanian living in the ex-Jordanian West Bank.

At least they're living in their historical homeland, ie, the same land their ancestors did two, three, four hundred years ago which is more than I can say about the bozos from Russia, Ukraine and Poland.

The Palestinians are a mish mash of mongrel vagabonds that travelled the M.E looking for work and stayed when they saw the opportunity to steal Jewish land once again. They have no ties to the land as many arrived in the first half of the 20C from the surrounding area. In fact many are not even arabs but farsi from the far north.

The Jews from Eastern Europe have an historical and genetic link to the area greater than any the muslims could ever have. Their DNA carries the marker present in the DNA of Abraham making them the ones living in their historical land that their families have lived in for 5000 years. The best the arab muslims can muster is a possible 2 or 3 generations of squatting on the land.

Correction, the Palestinians are a mishmash of Arab vagabonds.

 

[Roudy]

do you have something to counter with? are the 50 laws made up? did human rights watch not release that report?

is there something other than a pro-israel knee-jerk sentiment informing your opinion?

Try the fact that better authorities on apartheid have stated that Israel is not an apartheid state, and that the only laws that are different for non Jews are the ones dealing with conscription. This is like the licence plate fiasco when the muslims complained that they were given different coloured licence plates to the Jews, until it came out they were going to another part of Israel because of the colour of that parts licence plates.

Israel is an Apartheid state, no question. The fact that Jews are allowed to settle in Israel through the right of return and those of other religions are not is just one of the discriminatory laws. The fact that non-Jews are discriminated in land purchases, land is reserved for only Jews. That would be like reserving land in the U.S. that only whites could buy.

Here is the HRW report on the Israeli Apartheid laws:

"Separate and Unequal"

Separate and Unequal | Human Rights Watch

Yada yada yada. The fact that Israel has 1.8 million Arab citizens with equal rights, and the fact that Israel only controls its immigration to preserve its identity as a JEWISH state, means you're fulla shit and Israel isn't an apartheid state.

 

[Phoenall]

do you have something to counter with? are the 50 laws made up? did human rights watch not release that report?

is there something other than a pro-israel knee-jerk sentiment informing your opinion?

Is there anything but hatred to Israel in your, Pbel's and Tinnie's mind?

Its not hatred but facts on the ground.


Kerry meant Apartheid Future Must be Avoided by Israel
A de-facto apartheid already exists in the West Bank. Inside the borders of Israel proper, Arabs and Jews are judged by the same set of laws in the same courtrooms; across the Green Line, Jews live under Israeli civil law as well, but their Arab neighbors — people who live, in some cases, just yards away — fall under a different, and substantially undemocratic, set of laws, administered by the Israeli Army.


The system is neither as elaborate nor as pervasive as South African apartheid, and it is, officially, temporary. It is nevertheless a form of apartheid, because two different ethnic groups living in the same territory are judged by two separate sets of laws.

The west bank is not Israel and so the same rules do not apply. The Geneva conventions cover the occupation of the west bank in detail and Israel is working within the limits of the Geneva conventions. Ask how the Palestinians would be treating the Jews if the roles were reversed, and how that UN would have sent the troops in by now to force the arab muslims to leave and stop the genocide taking place. The Palestinians come under P.A. laws and the rules of occupation as set out in the Geneva conventions. Everything is done to bring a halt to the belligerence and terrorism plagueing the Jews that comes from the Palestinians.

 

[Phoenall]

do you have something to counter with? are the 50 laws made up? did human rights watch not release that report?

is there something other than a pro-israel knee-jerk sentiment informing your opinion?

Try the fact that better authorities on apartheid have stated that Israel is not an apartheid state, and that the only laws that are different for non Jews are the ones dealing with conscription. This is like the licence plate fiasco when the muslims complained that they were given different coloured licence plates to the Jews, until it came out they were going to another part of Israel because of the colour of that parts licence plates.

Israel is an Apartheid state, no question. The fact that Jews are allowed to settle in Israel through the right of return and those of other religions are not is just one of the discriminatory laws. The fact that non-Jews are discriminated in land purchases, land is reserved for only Jews. That would be like reserving land in the U.S. that only whites could buy.

Here is the HRW report on the Israeli Apartheid laws:

"Separate and Unequal"

Separate and Unequal | Human Rights Watch

Non Brits are not allowed to just settle in the UK, they need to go through a selection process. This process is being toughened up all the time because of migrants flouting the laws. The Jews are only enacting the rules laid down in the Mandate of Palestine in regards to non Israeli Jews.

You have the legal right to refuse to sell land you own to anyone that does not meet your strict criteria. This is what is happening in Israel, it is not a LAW but a groups personal criteria. The muslims are the worst offenders for this when they impose a deth penalty on anyone that sells land to a Jew, now why don't you start a discussion about that and how it makes all Islamic states truly APARTHEID.


HRW is an anti semitic left wing activist group that have been censured many times in the past for their LIES and LIBELS about the Jews

 

[Kondor3]

Kerry was wrong to even use the word apartheid. Period. He even admitted to it. He was trying to put pressure on the Israelis and it backfired in a major way. People underestimate the Israelis all the time. Nothing new.

Kerry was a disaster as a Senator, as a Presidential candidate, and now as a Secretary of State.

How someone can rise to such a position of such high-level responsibility, and screw-up like that, never ceases to amaze me.

Then again, as a political hack, and a political appointee, rather than someone who landed the role as a matter of merit, on reflection, I guess I'm not all that surprised, after all.

Oh, well... at worst, we only have to suffer him (and his boss) until January 20, 2017.

And, given that the 2014 mid-terms are likely to (1) retain the House for the GOP and (2) return the Senate to the GOP, chances are good that Congress will be able to rein-in these clowns and hold the line until New Management can be brought in.

 

[montelatici]

Try the fact that better authorities on apartheid have stated that Israel is not an apartheid state, and that the only laws that are different for non Jews are the ones dealing with conscription. This is like the licence plate fiasco when the muslims complained that they were given different coloured licence plates to the Jews, until it came out they were going to another part of Israel because of the colour of that parts licence plates.

Israel is an Apartheid state, no question. The fact that Jews are allowed to settle in Israel through the right of return and those of other religions are not is just one of the discriminatory laws. The fact that non-Jews are discriminated in land purchases, land is reserved for only Jews. That would be like reserving land in the U.S. that only whites could buy.

Here is the HRW report on the Israeli Apartheid laws:

"Separate and Unequal"

Separate and Unequal | Human Rights Watch

Non Brits are not allowed to just settle in the UK, they need to go through a selection process. This process is being toughened up all the time because of migrants flouting the laws. The Jews are only enacting the rules laid down in the Mandate of Palestine in regards to non Israeli Jews.

You have the legal right to refuse to sell land you own to anyone that does not meet your strict criteria. This is what is happening in Israel, it is not a LAW but a groups personal criteria. The muslims are the worst offenders for this when they impose a deth penalty on anyone that sells land to a Jew, now why don't you start a discussion about that and how it makes all Islamic states truly APARTHEID.


HRW is an anti semitic left wing activist group that have been censured many times in the past for their LIES and LIBELS about the Jews

"You have the legal right to refuse to sell land you own to anyone that does not meet your strict criteria"

The strict criteria is that you have to be of the Jewish religion you moron and it is the law that prevents the land from being sold to non-Jews. All your attempts to justify racism are worthless.

 

[Kondor3]

Yes.

The Jews of Israel are 66 years into the process of making Israel a State dominated by practitioners of the Jewish religion, as well as those whose families hail from that religious tradition.

The Muslims of Saudi Arabia are decades into the process of making Saudi Arabia a State dominated by practitioners of the Muslim religion.

So?

Dog bites man.

Nothing to see here.

Next slide, please.

 

[pbel]

Is there anything but hatred to Israel in your, Pbel's and Tinnie's mind?

Its not hatred but facts on the ground.


Kerry meant Apartheid Future Must be Avoided by Israel
A de-facto apartheid already exists in the West Bank. Inside the borders of Israel proper, Arabs and Jews are judged by the same set of laws in the same courtrooms; across the Green Line, Jews live under Israeli civil law as well, but their Arab neighbors — people who live, in some cases, just yards away — fall under a different, and substantially undemocratic, set of laws, administered by the Israeli Army.


The system is neither as elaborate nor as pervasive as South African apartheid, and it is, officially, temporary. It is nevertheless a form of apartheid, because two different ethnic groups living in the same territory are judged by two separate sets of laws.

The west bank is not Israel and so the same rules do not apply. The Geneva conventions cover the occupation of the west bank in detail and Israel is working within the limits of the Geneva conventions. Ask how the Palestinians would be treating the Jews if the roles were reversed, and how that UN would have sent the troops in by now to force the arab muslims to leave and stop the genocide taking place. The Palestinians come under P.A. laws and the rules of occupation as set out in the Geneva conventions. Everything is done to bring a halt to the belligerence and terrorism plagueing the Jews that comes from the Palestinians.

Only because the Jewish State refuses to relinquish annexed land that no one or the UN has recognized. That is the obstacle to peace.

 

[member]

"Israel is an Apartheid state, no question. (....and HAMASS is a cut-throat, TERRORIST GROUP, "no question" - are we even, ha ?) The fact that Jews are allowed to settle in Israel through the right of return and those of other religions are not is just one of the discriminatory laws. The fact that non-Jews are discriminated in land purchases, land is reserved for only Jews. That would be like reserving land in the U.S. that only whites could buy."

"Here is the HRW report:"

"...The muslims are the worst offenders for this when they impose a deAth penalty on anyone that sells land to a Jew, now why don't you start a discussion about that and how it makes all Islamic states truly APARTHEID."

i wonder what that list [of "offenders"] would look like ? do you think there'd be more than...............2 "muslim" countries on the list ?

"You have the legal right to refuse to sell land you own to anyone that does not meet your strict criteria"

"The strict criteria is that you have to be of the Jewish religion you moron and it is the law that prevents the land from being sold to non-Jews. All your attempts to justify racism are worthless."

shut up with this 2-faced, double-standard.

 

[montelatici]

"Israel is an Apartheid state, no question. (....and HAMASS is a cut-throat, TERRORIST GROUP, "no question" - are we even, ha ?) The fact that Jews are allowed to settle in Israel through the right of return and those of other religions are not is just one of the discriminatory laws. The fact that non-Jews are discriminated in land purchases, land is reserved for only Jews. That would be like reserving land in the U.S. that only whites could buy."

"Here is the HRW report:"

"...The muslims are the worst offenders for this when they impose a deAth penalty on anyone that sells land to a Jew, now why don't you start a discussion about that and how it makes all Islamic states truly APARTHEID."

i wonder what that list [of "offenders"] would look like ? do you think there'd be more than...............2 "muslim" countries on the list ?

"You have the legal right to refuse to sell land you own to anyone that does not meet your strict criteria"

"The strict criteria is that you have to be of the Jewish religion you moron and it is the law that prevents the land from being sold to non-Jews. All your attempts to justify racism are worthless."

shut up with this 2-faced, double-standard.

What double standard? States that do the same thing are just as racist as Israel.

 

[Roudy]

"Israel is an Apartheid state, no question. (....and HAMASS is a cut-throat, TERRORIST GROUP, "no question" - are we even, ha ?) The fact that Jews are allowed to settle in Israel through the right of return and those of other religions are not is just one of the discriminatory laws. The fact that non-Jews are discriminated in land purchases, land is reserved for only Jews. That would be like reserving land in the U.S. that only whites could buy."

"Here is the HRW report:"

i wonder what that list [of "offenders"] would look like ? do you think there'd be more than...............2 "muslim" countries on the list ?

"You have the legal right to refuse to sell land you own to anyone that does not meet your strict criteria"

"The strict criteria is that you have to be of the Jewish religion you moron and it is the law that prevents the land from being sold to non-Jews. All your attempts to justify racism are worthless."

shut up with this 2-faced, double-standard.

What double standard? States that do the same thing are just as racist as Israel.

No, nobody is as racist and depraved as Muslims are. They are openly racist and bigoted as a culture and institutionally. You're always trying to compare Islamic assholes to the rest of the civilized world. Give it up it doesn't work.

 

[Kondor3]

No, nobody is as racist and depraved as Muslims are. They are openly racist and bigoted as a culture and institutionally. You're always trying to compare Islamic assholes to the rest of the civilized world. Give it up it doesn't work.

Bingo...

 

[aris2chat]

"Israel is an Apartheid state, no question. (....and HAMASS is a cut-throat, TERRORIST GROUP, "no question" - are we even, ha ?) The fact that Jews are allowed to settle in Israel through the right of return and those of other religions are not is just one of the discriminatory laws. The fact that non-Jews are discriminated in land purchases, land is reserved for only Jews. That would be like reserving land in the U.S. that only whites could buy."

"Here is the HRW report:"

i wonder what that list [of "offenders"] would look like ? do you think there'd be more than...............2 "muslim" countries on the list ?

"You have the legal right to refuse to sell land you own to anyone that does not meet your strict criteria"

"The strict criteria is that you have to be of the Jewish religion you moron and it is the law that prevents the land from being sold to non-Jews. All your attempts to justify racism are worthless."

shut up with this 2-faced, double-standard.

What double standard? States that do the same thing are just as racist as Israel.

so syria, jordan and the PA not allowing jews to buy land makes them racists? They are practicing apartheid?

How about travel, not allowing anyone with an Israeli stamp on their passport from enter?

What about not doing business with an Israeli or jew own company? What about not doing business with companies that engage in business with Israel or jews?

Refusing jewish blood even to save your life?

Lets change this a bit. Palestinians seek jobs in Israel, they used to wait in long line to enter Israel to go to work. Not the lines are for the most part eliminated except for right before and during the crossing opening in the morning. Palestinian think it their right to go to work in Israel.
Now we seek companies growing and proving jobs in the WB. Jobs for the palestinians at Israeli wages. Jobs close to where they live without crossing into Israel. But because they are owned by a jew(s) the would should boycott these companies and their products. Aren't the jobs in Israel likely owned by jews? Aren't palestinians working for jews in Israel? Why shouldn't jobs be produced for the palestinians in their own back yard? Jews can't own land or have companies in the PA? Palestinians work building homes and factories that provide better pay than if they worked for palestinians, if such jobs were available.
Palestinian have complained about the lack of jobs. They have been demanding jobs, service and infrastructure provided by the Israeli "occupiers". They want equal rights as the Israelis. When infrastructure is laid and jobs produced it a crime and they want the companies providing the jobs to suffer. How is that going to encourage outside investment in the PA that would produce jobs and stimulate the economy? How can the PA generate enough trade and taxes if no one is willing to risk building branches in the PA? How can the PA become more financially, and politically stable without jobs and companies that might have some intersection with Israel, or jews?

Why don't the so called pro-palestinians speak out on this?

Does that mean Israel should bar palestinians from jobs or prevent palestinian from entering their side of the crossings? Should Israel start a boycott of all things from the PA and encourage the world to so the same because of mortars and rockets? Because the PA won't actually talk with Israel? Because the PA is bankrupt and any investments will be a failure costing jobs and services at could be better invested elsewhere and produce benefit?

Saudi is investing around the world. They are supporting numerous charities. They are even supporting terrorists and militant fighters. They have a horrific record of human rights, both in their own country and out. They beat women and amputate or execute for what the rest of the world considers a misdemeanor. They make a big show of separating siamese twins to the press, but they provide no services for their disabled population. Now they are dealing the MERS virus, which has made it's way to the UK and US now.

Why are not the achievements of Israel encourage and used as an example of what the arabs could achieve? Why is money spent on arms instead of on jobs? Why do palestinians still go to Israel for medical care when they have 28 hospitals in gaza that could be better funded and hire more staff instead of spent on illegal tunnels? Why can't they build factories and equipment for modern farms instead of spending on teaching hate and violence to the children?

Why is Israel the eternal demon and not compare conditions by other arabs instead?

 

[Auldhippy]

Wow!

Israel is illegally occupying Palestine! Israel is inflicting brutal oppression on Palestine, even a barbaric and medievil siege of part of Palestine for the crime of being democratic.

Throughout the last millenium until Zionism Jews have fared much better in muslim lands than they ever did in Christian and but for the arrival of Zionists, European Jews with no genetic or familial connections to Palestine, Jews too would be calling themselves ARAB and PALESTINIAN.

Zionism is not enshrined in Judaism, it is a political construct . Indeed True Torah Jews consider Zionism prohibited by Judaism, Jews broke their covenant with their God and not until the arrival of their Messiah should Jews have sovereignty over Israel.

The true descendents of biblical Israel are Palestinian, once Jews they converted over the centuries to either Christianity or islam. European Jews or Ashkenazi have no connection to Israel, Haradi have always lived in small numbers in Palestine and even now foreswear their right to sovereignty over the land.

 

[Hossfly]

Wow!

Israel is illegally occupying Palestine! Israel is inflicting brutal oppression on Palestine, even a barbaric and medievil siege of part of Palestine for the crime of being democratic.

Throughout the last millenium until Zionism Jews have fared much better in muslim lands than they ever did in Christian and but for the arrival of Zionists, European Jews with no genetic or familial connections to Palestine, Jews too would be calling themselves ARAB and PALESTINIAN.

Zionism is not enshrined in Judaism, it is a political construct . Indeed True Torah Jews consider Zionism prohibited by Judaism, Jews broke their covenant with their God and not until the arrival of their Messiah should Jews have sovereignty over Israel.

The true descendents of biblical Israel are Palestinian, once Jews they converted over the centuries to either Christianity or islam. European Jews or Ashkenazi have no connection to Israel, Haradi have always lived in small numbers in Palestine and even now foreswear their right to sovereignty over the land.

You are kidding, right?

 

[Sally]

Wow!

Israel is illegally occupying Palestine! Israel is inflicting brutal oppression on Palestine, even a barbaric and medievil siege of part of Palestine for the crime of being democratic.

Throughout the last millenium until Zionism Jews have fared much better in muslim lands than they ever did in Christian and but for the arrival of Zionists, European Jews with no genetic or familial connections to Palestine, Jews too would be calling themselves ARAB and PALESTINIAN.

Zionism is not enshrined in Judaism, it is a political construct . Indeed True Torah Jews consider Zionism prohibited by Judaism, Jews broke their covenant with their God and not until the arrival of their Messiah should Jews have sovereignty over Israel.

The true descendents of biblical Israel are Palestinian, once Jews they converted over the centuries to either Christianity or islam. European Jews or Ashkenazi have no connection to Israel, Haradi have always lived in small numbers in Palestine and even now foreswear their right to sovereignty over the land.

I don't think there were any of us who ever heard of these "True Torah Jews" until people started pulling them up from the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites where they certainly are among the favorite Jews mentioned on these sites. I wonder if anyone can tell us why some these "True Torah Jews" live in the state of Israel. Meanwhile, I would imagine anyone who champions these "True Torah Jews" can grow himself a beard and go with these crazies when they visit their equally crazy friends in Irah.

 

[thanatos144]

If there is any doubt of slow motion ethnic cleansing read on:

Kerry Is wrong: Israel is already an apartheid state | TheHill

Last Friday, Secretary of State John Kerry touched off a firestorm of criticism by warning that Israel risks becoming “an apartheid state” after his initiative to broker Israeli-Palestinian peace limped this week to its inconclusive deadline. But Kerry is wrong to suggest that Israel will reach this pariah-hood tipping point in the indeterminate future. Since its inception in 1948, Israel has maintained a regime of differentiated rights that privileges Israeli Jews and discriminates against Palestinians.

Palestinian refugees, ethnically cleansed from their homes by Israel before, during and after the state’s establishment on 78 percent of historic Palestine, are denied their internationally guaranteed right to return; however, a Jewish person anywhere in the world can immigrate to Israel, automatically claim citizenship, and even reside on property belonging to Palestinians dispossessed of their land.


Those Palestinians not expelled from their properties, who are today citizens of Israel, face pervasive societal discrimination, and, according to Adalah: The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel, “there are more than 50 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel in all areas of life, including their rights to political participation, access to land, education, state budget resources, and criminal procedures.”
Immediately after occupying the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip—the remaining 22 percent of historic Palestine—in 1967, Israel promulgated Military Order 101, stripping Palestinians of all political rights and embarking on an illegal colonization of their land. More than forty years later, Human Rights Watch concluded, in a report entitled “Separate and Unequal: Israel's Discriminatory Treatment of Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territories,” that Israel’s military occupation has resulted in policies which “harshly discriminate against Palestinian residents, depriving them of basic necessities while providing lavish amenities for Jewish settlement.”


Read more: Kerry Is wrong: Israel is already an apartheid state | TheHill
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Kerry is a Jew hating bigot like all liberals.

 

[Indeependent]

Wow!

Israel is illegally occupying Palestine! Israel is inflicting brutal oppression on Palestine, even a barbaric and medievil siege of part of Palestine for the crime of being democratic.

Throughout the last millenium until Zionism Jews have fared much better in muslim lands than they ever did in Christian and but for the arrival of Zionists, European Jews with no genetic or familial connections to Palestine, Jews too would be calling themselves ARAB and PALESTINIAN.

Zionism is not enshrined in Judaism, it is a political construct . Indeed True Torah Jews consider Zionism prohibited by Judaism, Jews broke their covenant with their God and not until the arrival of their Messiah should Jews have sovereignty over Israel.

The true descendents of biblical Israel are Palestinian, once Jews they converted over the centuries to either Christianity or islam. European Jews or Ashkenazi have no connection to Israel, Haradi have always lived in small numbers in Palestine and even now foreswear their right to sovereignty over the land.

I truly hope this was not the result of a grammar checker because I can't even imagine what the original looked like.