Keeping ICE away from polling places a top priority for Democrats

[Zincwarrior]

Not in the public areas of the building where the general public is allowed access. Like a polling area.
Your own source says so.

No, they can be denied.

Yes, schools can generally deny police entrance without a judicial warrant. Under the Fourth Amendment, school officials can act as gatekeepers, requiring law enforcement to present a warrant based on probable cause to enter or search the premises, though they may allow entry during emergencies (exigent circumstances) or with consent. [1, 2, 3]


Key Aspects of School and Police Access:

• Warrant Requirements: Police usually need a search warrant for school grounds, similar to private property, ensuring the search is authorized by a judge.
• Exceptions to Warrants: Police may enter without a warrant if they have consent from school officials or if there are "exigent circumstances," such as an immediate threat to safety or a need to prevent destruction of evidence.
• ICE/Federal Agents: Schools can refuse entry to immigration officials (ICE) who do not possess a judicial warrant. Administrative warrants, commonly used by immigration officers, do not compel entry.
• School Official Searches: Unlike police, school administrators do not need a warrant to search a student. They only require "reasonable suspicion" to conduct a search.
• School Property: Law enforcement may be denied access to private school areas, but school staff can generally search school-owned property (like lockers) and consent to police looking at those areas. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]

Disclaimer: Laws can vary by state and specific circumstances.

AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses
[1] https://www.naesp.org/blog/ice-on-campus-understanding-different-types-of-warrants-in-school-settings/
[2] Schools must protect students –and follow the law– if ICE shows up - ACLU of Pennsylvania
[3] Warrantless search and seizure | Texas District & County Attorneys Association
[4] https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/what-does-fourth-amendment-mean
[5] https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article299312234.html
[6] School Searches and Seizure | Kids Legal
[7] https://www.publiccounsel.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/school-search-and-seizure.pdf

 

[Rawley]

re DEmocrats

Never buy a new sledge hammer for use once a year to swat a fly

Voter ID is a sledgehammer? WTF?

 

[M14 Shooter]

You envision them standing right next to the poll worker?

He doesn't have to standing next to the poll worker to hear the conversation.

However, I don't know of ANY state...

That doesn't mean much.

 

[M14 Shooter]

No, they can be denied.

You continue to ignore the fact the discussion revolves around the "public access areas" of the building.
Like where people go to vote.
You do not need a warrant to enter a public access are of any state building.

 

[Zincwarrior]

re DEmocrats

Voter ID is a sledgehammer? WTF?

He doesn't have to standing next to the poll worker to hear the conversation.

Unless he has super hearing he will be outside.

That doesn't mean much.

I am sure you can clarify which state. I looked and did not see one. What state requires physical proof of citizenship to lodge your vote. Not register, but vote. Note the SAVE Act doesn't, nor Texas.

You continue to ignore the fact the discussion revolves around the "public access areas" of the building.
Like where people go to vote.
You do not need a warrant to enter a public access are of any state building.

Interesting! However, while they can enter, they can also be asked to leave and must comply absent the usual but fors.


Yes, you can generally ask police to leave private property—including public-facing areas of a building (like a lobby or store)—if they do not have a warrant, reasonable suspicion, or probable cause. If they refuse, you can inform them they are trespassing, though they may remain if "exigent circumstances" exist, such as chasing a suspect or hearing a call for help. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Key Considerations

• Public vs. Private Property: Publicly accessible areas of private property (commercial stores, apartment hallways) are still private property. You can revoke implied consent for police to be there, just like with any other visitor.
• Government-Owned Property: If the building is truly public (e.g., city hall), police have a right to be there, but they cannot legally order you to leave if you are not breaking laws or disrupting the peace.
• Exceptions to Warrants: Police do not need a warrant if they have consent, if they are in "hot pursuit," or if they see evidence in "plain view".
• "Knock and Talk": Officers may use a "knock and talk" technique to ask questions without a warrant, but you are generally not required to answer or allow them to stay. [1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 9]

Disclaimer: I am an AI, not an attorney. Laws regarding police conduct and property rights can vary significantly by jurisdiction.

AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses
[1]
[2] https://www.quora.com/Is-it-legal-to-ask-police-to-leave-your-property-without-a-warrant
[3]
[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kDmc_gkq-0
[5] https://www.curranlawgf.com/blog/2025/02/when-can-the-police-search-my-house-and-what-if-they-do-it-illegally/
[6] https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/90243/can-you-be-issued-a-trespass-warning-on-public-property-for-no-reason-at-all
[7] https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-...ng-police-asking-you-to-leave-public-property
[8] https://www.quora.com/Under-what-ci...s-not-on-the-lease-but-living-there-illegally
[9] https://www.quora.com/Do-police-off...-believe-there-is-a-threat-against-their-life

 

[jc456]

Clarify, what do you mean by monitor? Stand outside drinking a Starbucks?

yep,

 

[M14 Shooter]

Unless he has super hearing he will be outside.

Only if he chooses to be.

Interesting! However, while they can enter, they can also be asked to leave and must comply

Yes, you can generally ask police to leave private property

Schools, county, and state building are not private property.

Your source:
Government-Owned Property: If the building is truly public (e.g., city hall), police have a right to be there,

 

[Zincwarrior]

yep,

Well, you got me there. Didn't expect that answer.

Only if he chooses to be.

Again, he can be told to leave, that he is trespassing, and must leave.

Schools, county, and state building are not private property.

Interesting. Upon further review I think you're right! I vote in a grocery store.

 

[M14 Shooter]

However, I don't know of ANY state that requires presentment of proof of citizenship to cast the vote=

In Ohio, a precinct official can challenge a potential voter's citizenship status.
In Alaska...
In Arizona...
In California...
In Florida...
In Iowa..
In Minnesota...
In New Hampshire...
ad nauseam

When challenged, you cannot vote and/or your provisional ballot will not be counted, until you present proof of citizenship.

"I'm sorry sir - do you have identification that proves you are a citizen" - Poll worker
"No, I do not" - Potential voter
"Sir, we'd like to ask you a few questions" - ICE agent
^^^
Enforcing the law

https://www.bazelon.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2016_Voter-Challenge-Statutes-by-State.pdf

 

[M14 Shooter]

Again, he can be told to leave...

Not from a public government building.
"Government-Owned Property: If the building is truly public (e.g., city hall), police have a right to be there,"

Interesting. Upon further review I think you're right!

Of course I am.

 

[Zincwarrior]

In Ohio, a precinct official can challenge a potential voter's citizenship status.
In Alaska...
In Arizona...
In California...
In Florida...
In Iowa..
In Minnesota...
In New Hampshire...
ad nauseam

When challenged, you cannot vote and/or your provisional ballot will not be counted, until you present proof of citizenship.

Right, but do they require everyone have proof of citizenship to vote?
A quick check notes Florida doesn't:

When voting early or voting at a polling place, Florida law requires voters to present a current and valid picture ID with signature. Acceptable forms of ID are:

• Florida driver's license (quickest ID to process)
• Florida identification card issued by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles (quickest ID to process)
• United States passport
• Debit or credit card
• Military identification
• Student identification
• Retirement center identification
• Neighborhood Association identification
• Public Assistance identification
• Veteran Health Identification card issued by the United States Department of Veterans Affairs
• License to carry a concealed weapon or firearm issued pursuant to s. 790.06
• Employee identification card issued by any branch, department, agency, or entity of the Federal Government, the state, a county, or a municipality

"I'm sorry sir - do you have identification that proves you are a citizen" - Poll worker

"Stupid question assmonkey. I only need a government pissbucket. Here it is."

"No, I do not" - Potential voter
"Sir, we'd like to ask you a few questions" - ICE agent

how on earth do you think thats reasonable suspicion?
"no, you may not, now get out of the way before I call over yon state trooper. Also your mother smells of elderberries."

^^^
Enforcing the law

https://www.bazelon.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2016_Voter-Challenge-Statutes-by-State.pdf

What law again?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Right, but do they require everyone have proof of citizenship to vote?

Irrelevant. With the legal capacity to challenge a person's vote based on citizenship, they have the legal capacity to ask.

"I'm sorry sir - do you have identification that proves you are a citizen" - Poll worker
"No, I do not" - Potential voter
"Sir, we'd like to ask you a few questions" - ICE agent
^^^
Enforcing the law

how on earth do you think thats reasonable suspicion?

An open admission that you do not have documents to prove you are a citizen is more than enough to give an ICE agent a reason to ask questions.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Irrelevant. With the legal capacity to challenge a person's vote based on citizenship, they have the legal capacity to ask.

Except of course, the state doesn't require those documents to vote, so its not, nor is it evidence of a criminal offense.

"I'm sorry sir - do you have identification that proves you are a citizen" - Poll worker
"No, I do not" - Potential voter
"Sir, we'd like to ask you a few questions" - ICE agent
^^^
Enforcing the law

An open admission that you do not have documents to prove you are a citizen is more than enough to give an ICE agent a reason to ask questions.

No, it is evidence you are not providing them as they are not needed, nor evidence of a criminal offense.
Again, even in your fact pattern, there is no legal requirement to carry proof of citizenship.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Except of course, the state doesn't require those documents to vote,

It does if you are challenged at the polls - else, the state can prevent you from voting.

No, it is evidence you are not providing them....

You were asked if you have documents to prove your citizenship.
You said no.
That's more than enough for an ICE agent to ask yo questions.
In fact, ICE officers don't need ANY legal ground to jut ask you questions.

 

[scruffy]

Can ICE prevent 3am dumps of Biden only votes with no other votes cast on the ballot?

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This ^^^ should never ever happen.

The probability of this happening in a fair election is less than one in a million.