Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[francoHFW]

Pass background checks without loopholes, brainwashed functional morons.

Only a brainwashed fool believes this will have any effect on criminals getting guns.

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

And you blame Dems for not passing strong anti-gun laws? LOL. The background check law has THE most support, and bought off Pubs have blocked it DUH. If we tried your idea here, they would brainwash you to be against THAT. You're a functional MORON. lol

We already have a federal background check...MORON.....and criminals get around it easily.

Because of red state idiocy, MORON.

 

[2aguy]

Only a brainwashed fool believes this will have any effect on criminals getting guns.

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

And you blame Dems for not passing strong anti-gun laws? LOL. The background check law has THE most support, and bought off Pubs have blocked it DUH. If we tried your idea here, they would brainwash you to be against THAT. You're a functional MORON. lol

We already have a federal background check...MORON.....and criminals get around it easily.

Because of red state idiocy, MORON.

No, MORON, because criminals don't care about laws, so they break them. And all of your laws focus on law abiding citizens, not criminals....you guys could care less about actual criminals using guns, you just care that a normal person wants to own one, and you know you can stick it to them by passing laws.....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Pass background checks without loopholes, brainwashed functional morons.

Only a brainwashed fool believes this will have any effect on criminals getting guns.

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

And you blame Dems for not passing strong anti-gun laws? LOL. The background check law has THE most support, and bought off Pubs have blocked it DUH. If we tried your idea here, they would brainwash you to be against THAT. You're a functional MORON. lol

What are you talking about? You are the one making up BS about how background checks would stop gun violence, but can't explain how. Sounds to me like you're the one who is programmed by your libby/ Commie leaders. I (we all here) have explained how such a law won't change a thing. One more time?

Such a law would only apply to legally purchased firearms which most criminals don't use. They use illegal firearms that can only be traced to the last person who legally owned them and had them stolen.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Pass background checks without loopholes, brainwashed functional morons.

Only a brainwashed fool believes this will have any effect on criminals getting guns.

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

Your platitude is thoughtless and biased. Use a gun, go to prison, and three strikes have filled our prisons and are the primary reason the St. Prison system in California busted the budget.

All of which were passed by a dominant Democratic Legislature and signed by Republican Governors. At the same time Mental Health, Probation and Parole have had budget reductions, the former two resulted in the State raiding county revenue, and Parole greatly limited in terms of time under supervision, do to the liberals push for determinant sentencing.

I'd explain in detail, but facts always upset conservatives. Really now, cognitive dissonance isn't fatal.

In your state, it's hell to even buy a gun and much more restrictive than what's being proposed here by you people. So how's that working out? Not so good I take it. Yet you want to take some of those failed policies and spread them across the country? No thank you.

 

[francoHFW]

Thickest substance known to science: hater dupe skull.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Pass background checks without loopholes, brainwashed functional morons.

Only a brainwashed fool believes this will have any effect on criminals getting guns.

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

Your platitude is thoughtless and biased. Use a gun, go to prison, and three strikes have filled our prisons and are the primary reason the St. Prison system in California busted the budget.

All of which were passed by a dominant Democratic Legislature and signed by Republican Governors. At the same time Mental Health, Probation and Parole have had budget reductions, the former two resulted in the State raiding county revenue, and Parole greatly limited in terms of time under supervision, do to the liberals push for determinant sentencing.

I'd explain in detail, but facts always upset conservatives. Really now, cognitive dissonance isn't fatal.

Nope...gun criminals are out quickly, and serve little time.

Why do you make stuff up? You're not smart enough to fool anyone, and those of us who spent three + decades working in the criminal justice system see through you.

From the CA Penal Code:

12022.53. (a) This section applies to the following felonies:
(1) Section 187 (murder).
(2) Section 203 or 205 (mayhem).
(3) Section 207, 209, or 209.5 (kidnapping).
(4) Section 211 (robbery).
(5) Section 215 (carjacking).
(6) Section 220 (assault with intent to commit a specified
felony).
(7) Subdivision (d) of Section 245 (assault with a firearm on a
peace officer or firefighter).
(8) Section 261 or 262 (rape).
(9) Section 264.1 (rape or sexual penetration in concert).
(10) Section 286 (sodomy).
(11) Section 288 or 288.5 (lewd act on a child).
(12) Section 288a (oral copulation).
(13) Section 289 (sexual penetration).
(14) Section 4500 (assault by a life prisoner).
(15) Section 4501 (assault by a prisoner).
(16) Section 4503 (holding a hostage by a prisoner).
(17) Any felony punishable by death or imprisonment in the state
prison for life.
(18) Any attempt to commit a crime listed in this subdivision
other than an assault.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally uses a firearm, shall be punished by an additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 10 years. The firearm need not be operable or loaded for this enhancement to apply.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally
and intentionally discharges a firearm, shall be punished by an
additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 20 years.
(d) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), Section
246, or subdivision (c) or (d) of Section 26100, personally and
intentionally discharges a firearm and proximately causes great
bodily injury, as defined in Section 12022.7, or death, to any person
other than an accomplice, shall be punished by an additional and
consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 25 years to
life.

Title 2. Sentence Enhancements - California Penal Code Section 12022.53 - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

What say you now?

 

[regent]

The gun lobby defense seems to be, if people break laws why have laws. I don't think most expect laws to eliminate gun deaths just lower the number of needless deaths. It may also be true, however, that the more gun laws on the books, the more gun sales might drop.

 

[2aguy]

The gun lobby defense seems to be, if people break laws why have laws. I don't think most expect laws to eliminate gun deaths just lower the number of needless deaths. It may also be true, however, that the more gun laws on the books, the more gun sales might drop.

No...you have no clue...what we know works...you lock up criminals if they break the law.....no need for licensing, registering or targeting law abiding gun owners. no...the more gun laws on the books the more laws criminals ignore.

 

[2aguy]

Only a brainwashed fool believes this will have any effect on criminals getting guns.

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

Your platitude is thoughtless and biased. Use a gun, go to prison, and three strikes have filled our prisons and are the primary reason the St. Prison system in California busted the budget.

All of which were passed by a dominant Democratic Legislature and signed by Republican Governors. At the same time Mental Health, Probation and Parole have had budget reductions, the former two resulted in the State raiding county revenue, and Parole greatly limited in terms of time under supervision, do to the liberals push for determinant sentencing.

I'd explain in detail, but facts always upset conservatives. Really now, cognitive dissonance isn't fatal.

Nope...gun criminals are out quickly, and serve little time.

Why do you make stuff up? You're not smart enough to fool anyone, and those of us who spent three + decades working in the criminal justice system see through you.

From the CA Penal Code:

12022.53. (a) This section applies to the following felonies:
(1) Section 187 (murder).
(2) Section 203 or 205 (mayhem).
(3) Section 207, 209, or 209.5 (kidnapping).
(4) Section 211 (robbery).
(5) Section 215 (carjacking).
(6) Section 220 (assault with intent to commit a specified
felony).
(7) Subdivision (d) of Section 245 (assault with a firearm on a
peace officer or firefighter).
(8) Section 261 or 262 (rape).
(9) Section 264.1 (rape or sexual penetration in concert).
(10) Section 286 (sodomy).
(11) Section 288 or 288.5 (lewd act on a child).
(12) Section 288a (oral copulation).
(13) Section 289 (sexual penetration).
(14) Section 4500 (assault by a life prisoner).
(15) Section 4501 (assault by a prisoner).
(16) Section 4503 (holding a hostage by a prisoner).
(17) Any felony punishable by death or imprisonment in the state
prison for life.
(18) Any attempt to commit a crime listed in this subdivision
other than an assault.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally uses a firearm, shall be punished by an additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 10 years. The firearm need not be operable or loaded for this enhancement to apply.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally
and intentionally discharges a firearm, shall be punished by an
additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 20 years.
(d) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), Section
246, or subdivision (c) or (d) of Section 26100, personally and
intentionally discharges a firearm and proximately causes great
bodily injury, as defined in Section 12022.7, or death, to any person
other than an accomplice, shall be punished by an additional and
consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 25 years to
life.

Title 2. Sentence Enhancements - California Penal Code Section 12022.53 - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

What say you now?

Yeah...we have the same thing in Illinois.....2 guys were given 3 years for gun crimes...they were redirected to a boot camp and were out in 18 months.....then they shot up a play ground full of people....we are not keeping gun criminals locked up. the Chicago police superintendent just pointed this out...1500 arrests for gun crimes and 3/4 of them were out in a day..........

 

[2aguy]

Only a brainwashed fool believes this will have any effect on criminals getting guns.

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

Your platitude is thoughtless and biased. Use a gun, go to prison, and three strikes have filled our prisons and are the primary reason the St. Prison system in California busted the budget.

All of which were passed by a dominant Democratic Legislature and signed by Republican Governors. At the same time Mental Health, Probation and Parole have had budget reductions, the former two resulted in the State raiding county revenue, and Parole greatly limited in terms of time under supervision, do to the liberals push for determinant sentencing.

I'd explain in detail, but facts always upset conservatives. Really now, cognitive dissonance isn't fatal.

Nope...gun criminals are out quickly, and serve little time.

Why do you make stuff up? You're not smart enough to fool anyone, and those of us who spent three + decades working in the criminal justice system see through you.

From the CA Penal Code:

12022.53. (a) This section applies to the following felonies:
(1) Section 187 (murder).
(2) Section 203 or 205 (mayhem).
(3) Section 207, 209, or 209.5 (kidnapping).
(4) Section 211 (robbery).
(5) Section 215 (carjacking).
(6) Section 220 (assault with intent to commit a specified
felony).
(7) Subdivision (d) of Section 245 (assault with a firearm on a
peace officer or firefighter).
(8) Section 261 or 262 (rape).
(9) Section 264.1 (rape or sexual penetration in concert).
(10) Section 286 (sodomy).
(11) Section 288 or 288.5 (lewd act on a child).
(12) Section 288a (oral copulation).
(13) Section 289 (sexual penetration).
(14) Section 4500 (assault by a life prisoner).
(15) Section 4501 (assault by a prisoner).
(16) Section 4503 (holding a hostage by a prisoner).
(17) Any felony punishable by death or imprisonment in the state
prison for life.
(18) Any attempt to commit a crime listed in this subdivision
other than an assault.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally uses a firearm, shall be punished by an additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 10 years. The firearm need not be operable or loaded for this enhancement to apply.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally
and intentionally discharges a firearm, shall be punished by an
additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 20 years.
(d) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), Section
246, or subdivision (c) or (d) of Section 26100, personally and
intentionally discharges a firearm and proximately causes great
bodily injury, as defined in Section 12022.7, or death, to any person
other than an accomplice, shall be punished by an additional and
consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 25 years to
life.

Title 2. Sentence Enhancements - California Penal Code Section 12022.53 - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

What say you now?

Here you go dipstick......from a gun grabber no less....

McCarthy Says Too Many Arrested For Illegal Gun Possession Are "Immediately Back Out On The Street”

McCarthy says of the 1,500 people arrested in the first half of the year for illegal gun possession, three out of four are “immediately back out on the street.”

“I think we’re doing a pretty good job when we’re getting this many guns,” McCarthy says. “The question is, what happens afterwards. So prosecutors, judges, elected officials have to be held accountable at the same level that I’m accountable for.”

 

[2aguy]

Only a brainwashed fool believes this will have any effect on criminals getting guns.

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

Your platitude is thoughtless and biased. Use a gun, go to prison, and three strikes have filled our prisons and are the primary reason the St. Prison system in California busted the budget.

All of which were passed by a dominant Democratic Legislature and signed by Republican Governors. At the same time Mental Health, Probation and Parole have had budget reductions, the former two resulted in the State raiding county revenue, and Parole greatly limited in terms of time under supervision, do to the liberals push for determinant sentencing.

I'd explain in detail, but facts always upset conservatives. Really now, cognitive dissonance isn't fatal.

Nope...gun criminals are out quickly, and serve little time.

Why do you make stuff up? You're not smart enough to fool anyone, and those of us who spent three + decades working in the criminal justice system see through you.

From the CA Penal Code:

12022.53. (a) This section applies to the following felonies:
(1) Section 187 (murder).
(2) Section 203 or 205 (mayhem).
(3) Section 207, 209, or 209.5 (kidnapping).
(4) Section 211 (robbery).
(5) Section 215 (carjacking).
(6) Section 220 (assault with intent to commit a specified
felony).
(7) Subdivision (d) of Section 245 (assault with a firearm on a
peace officer or firefighter).
(8) Section 261 or 262 (rape).
(9) Section 264.1 (rape or sexual penetration in concert).
(10) Section 286 (sodomy).
(11) Section 288 or 288.5 (lewd act on a child).
(12) Section 288a (oral copulation).
(13) Section 289 (sexual penetration).
(14) Section 4500 (assault by a life prisoner).
(15) Section 4501 (assault by a prisoner).
(16) Section 4503 (holding a hostage by a prisoner).
(17) Any felony punishable by death or imprisonment in the state
prison for life.
(18) Any attempt to commit a crime listed in this subdivision
other than an assault.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally uses a firearm, shall be punished by an additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 10 years. The firearm need not be operable or loaded for this enhancement to apply.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally
and intentionally discharges a firearm, shall be punished by an
additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 20 years.
(d) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), Section
246, or subdivision (c) or (d) of Section 26100, personally and
intentionally discharges a firearm and proximately causes great
bodily injury, as defined in Section 12022.7, or death, to any person
other than an accomplice, shall be punished by an additional and
consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 25 years to
life.

Title 2. Sentence Enhancements - California Penal Code Section 12022.53 - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

What say you now?

Here is another story from another state...

Suspected Killer, a Convicted Felon on Probation, on the run in FL



Authorities in Palmetto, Florida say 25-year old Devin Chandler walked into the Snappy Kwick Store on 17th Street West early Monday morning and gunned down store employees and brothers Khasem Yosuef, 23, and Faares Yousef, 17. Surveillance video shows Chandler entering the store, picking up a few items, and proceeding to the counter where he shot the young men execution style before fleeing the scene. He is still on the run and may be driving a blue 2000-2005 blue Chevrolet Impala.



The brothers are not usual employees of the store, but were filling in as a favor to their father who owns the establishment so that store employees could have the Labor Day holiday off. ‘I feel really bad. I saw them yesterday in Tampa. I just can’t believe that,’ the brothers’ cousin Omar Suleiman told WFLA in a highly emotional interview on Monday. ‘They don’t work here usually, but they worked here today.’

“The individual went into the store. The two employees who were killed were at the front counter. He just point-blank walked up and shot them, just shot them in the head,” says Chief Scott Tyler who also confirmed they were able to identify Devin Chandler as the shooter from surveillance video in the store.

Chandler is a convicted felon who was released from prison in September 2011, after serving less than two years on a three-year sentence for attempted armed robbery with a weapon.

According to court records, Chandler walked into a convenience store in Bradenton with a handgun, jumped over the counter and demanded money from the store clerk. The robbery was interrupted by the clerk’s co-worker and Chandler tried to run away, but the clerk held Chandler by his shirt and fought him until police arrived.

He is currently still on probation and his last known residence is approximately three blocks from the convenience store at the center of Monday’s double murder.

 

[2aguy]

Only a brainwashed fool believes this will have any effect on criminals getting guns.

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

Your platitude is thoughtless and biased. Use a gun, go to prison, and three strikes have filled our prisons and are the primary reason the St. Prison system in California busted the budget.

All of which were passed by a dominant Democratic Legislature and signed by Republican Governors. At the same time Mental Health, Probation and Parole have had budget reductions, the former two resulted in the State raiding county revenue, and Parole greatly limited in terms of time under supervision, do to the liberals push for determinant sentencing.

I'd explain in detail, but facts always upset conservatives. Really now, cognitive dissonance isn't fatal.

Nope...gun criminals are out quickly, and serve little time.

Why do you make stuff up? You're not smart enough to fool anyone, and those of us who spent three + decades working in the criminal justice system see through you.

From the CA Penal Code:

12022.53. (a) This section applies to the following felonies:
(1) Section 187 (murder).
(2) Section 203 or 205 (mayhem).
(3) Section 207, 209, or 209.5 (kidnapping).
(4) Section 211 (robbery).
(5) Section 215 (carjacking).
(6) Section 220 (assault with intent to commit a specified
felony).
(7) Subdivision (d) of Section 245 (assault with a firearm on a
peace officer or firefighter).
(8) Section 261 or 262 (rape).
(9) Section 264.1 (rape or sexual penetration in concert).
(10) Section 286 (sodomy).
(11) Section 288 or 288.5 (lewd act on a child).
(12) Section 288a (oral copulation).
(13) Section 289 (sexual penetration).
(14) Section 4500 (assault by a life prisoner).
(15) Section 4501 (assault by a prisoner).
(16) Section 4503 (holding a hostage by a prisoner).
(17) Any felony punishable by death or imprisonment in the state
prison for life.
(18) Any attempt to commit a crime listed in this subdivision
other than an assault.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally uses a firearm, shall be punished by an additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 10 years. The firearm need not be operable or loaded for this enhancement to apply.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally
and intentionally discharges a firearm, shall be punished by an
additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 20 years.
(d) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), Section
246, or subdivision (c) or (d) of Section 26100, personally and
intentionally discharges a firearm and proximately causes great
bodily injury, as defined in Section 12022.7, or death, to any person
other than an accomplice, shall be punished by an additional and
consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 25 years to
life.

Title 2. Sentence Enhancements - California Penal Code Section 12022.53 - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

What say you now?

And here you go dipshit.....

Explaining "Robbery" Laws in California | CA Penal Code 211 pc

Penalties

California robbery under Penal Code 211 PC is always a felony in California law. The exact penalty depends on whether you commit robbery of the first degree or of the second degree.3

A California robbery is considered robbery of the first degree if it is a

• robbery of any driver or passenger on a bus, taxi, streetcar, subway, cable car, etc.,
• robbery that takes place in an inhabited structure, or
• robbery of any person who has just used an ATM and is still in the vicinity of the ATM.4

First-degree robbery leads to a California state prison sentence of between three (3) and nine (9) years.5

And second-degree robbery is punishable by two (2), three (3) or five (5) years in state prison.6

 

[2aguy]

Only a brainwashed fool believes this will have any effect on criminals getting guns.

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

Your platitude is thoughtless and biased. Use a gun, go to prison, and three strikes have filled our prisons and are the primary reason the St. Prison system in California busted the budget.

All of which were passed by a dominant Democratic Legislature and signed by Republican Governors. At the same time Mental Health, Probation and Parole have had budget reductions, the former two resulted in the State raiding county revenue, and Parole greatly limited in terms of time under supervision, do to the liberals push for determinant sentencing.

I'd explain in detail, but facts always upset conservatives. Really now, cognitive dissonance isn't fatal.

Nope...gun criminals are out quickly, and serve little time.

Why do you make stuff up? You're not smart enough to fool anyone, and those of us who spent three + decades working in the criminal justice system see through you.

From the CA Penal Code:

12022.53. (a) This section applies to the following felonies:
(1) Section 187 (murder).
(2) Section 203 or 205 (mayhem).
(3) Section 207, 209, or 209.5 (kidnapping).
(4) Section 211 (robbery).
(5) Section 215 (carjacking).
(6) Section 220 (assault with intent to commit a specified
felony).
(7) Subdivision (d) of Section 245 (assault with a firearm on a
peace officer or firefighter).
(8) Section 261 or 262 (rape).
(9) Section 264.1 (rape or sexual penetration in concert).
(10) Section 286 (sodomy).
(11) Section 288 or 288.5 (lewd act on a child).
(12) Section 288a (oral copulation).
(13) Section 289 (sexual penetration).
(14) Section 4500 (assault by a life prisoner).
(15) Section 4501 (assault by a prisoner).
(16) Section 4503 (holding a hostage by a prisoner).
(17) Any felony punishable by death or imprisonment in the state
prison for life.
(18) Any attempt to commit a crime listed in this subdivision
other than an assault.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally uses a firearm, shall be punished by an additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 10 years. The firearm need not be operable or loaded for this enhancement to apply.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally
and intentionally discharges a firearm, shall be punished by an
additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 20 years.
(d) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), Section
246, or subdivision (c) or (d) of Section 26100, personally and
intentionally discharges a firearm and proximately causes great
bodily injury, as defined in Section 12022.7, or death, to any person
other than an accomplice, shall be punished by an additional and
consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 25 years to
life.

Title 2. Sentence Enhancements - California Penal Code Section 12022.53 - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

What say you now?

And here you go dipshit......

California P.C. 29800: Felon in Possession of a Firearm - Law offices of John D. Rogers

What is the Punishment for Felon in Possession of a Firearm?
The consequences of a felony conviction under felon in possession of a firearm are:

• 16 months, 2, or 3 years in California state prison
• Formal Probation or Parole Supervision
• Up to $1,000 in Fines
• Permanent Firearm Ban
• Immigration Consequences
• Temporary Loss of Search & Seizure Rights

 

[2aguy]

Only a brainwashed fool believes this will have any effect on criminals getting guns.

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

Your platitude is thoughtless and biased. Use a gun, go to prison, and three strikes have filled our prisons and are the primary reason the St. Prison system in California busted the budget.

All of which were passed by a dominant Democratic Legislature and signed by Republican Governors. At the same time Mental Health, Probation and Parole have had budget reductions, the former two resulted in the State raiding county revenue, and Parole greatly limited in terms of time under supervision, do to the liberals push for determinant sentencing.

I'd explain in detail, but facts always upset conservatives. Really now, cognitive dissonance isn't fatal.

Nope...gun criminals are out quickly, and serve little time.

Why do you make stuff up? You're not smart enough to fool anyone, and those of us who spent three + decades working in the criminal justice system see through you.

From the CA Penal Code:

12022.53. (a) This section applies to the following felonies:
(1) Section 187 (murder).
(2) Section 203 or 205 (mayhem).
(3) Section 207, 209, or 209.5 (kidnapping).
(4) Section 211 (robbery).
(5) Section 215 (carjacking).
(6) Section 220 (assault with intent to commit a specified
felony).
(7) Subdivision (d) of Section 245 (assault with a firearm on a
peace officer or firefighter).
(8) Section 261 or 262 (rape).
(9) Section 264.1 (rape or sexual penetration in concert).
(10) Section 286 (sodomy).
(11) Section 288 or 288.5 (lewd act on a child).
(12) Section 288a (oral copulation).
(13) Section 289 (sexual penetration).
(14) Section 4500 (assault by a life prisoner).
(15) Section 4501 (assault by a prisoner).
(16) Section 4503 (holding a hostage by a prisoner).
(17) Any felony punishable by death or imprisonment in the state
prison for life.
(18) Any attempt to commit a crime listed in this subdivision
other than an assault.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally uses a firearm, shall be punished by an additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 10 years. The firearm need not be operable or loaded for this enhancement to apply.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally
and intentionally discharges a firearm, shall be punished by an
additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 20 years.
(d) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), Section
246, or subdivision (c) or (d) of Section 26100, personally and
intentionally discharges a firearm and proximately causes great
bodily injury, as defined in Section 12022.7, or death, to any person
other than an accomplice, shall be punished by an additional and
consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 25 years to
life.

Title 2. Sentence Enhancements - California Penal Code Section 12022.53 - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

What say you now?

And of course, dipshit....you didn't think to add stupid leftwing governors who release violent criminals with life sentences back into the community.....

As more inmates are released from prison, more parolees return

When Brown took office in 2011, more than 33,000 parole-eligible inmates with life sentences were in California's overcrowded prisons, kept there by governors loath to release murderers. Some had been held twice as long as their sentences required.

Citing a 2008 California Supreme Court ruling that prevented parole commissioners from considering the brutality of the inmate's crime, Brown's office is now allowing the release of two or three lifers each day. In response to other legal challenges, the state Board of Parole Hearings also is scouring hearing transcripts to find more candidates for early review.

So now the people of California can't even trust life sentences to keep violent monsters behind bars......

With the dramatic rise in parole, The Times also found a disturbing increase in revocations. Since 2011, at least 50 inmates with life sentences, including 33 paroled under Brown, returned to prison or jail, accused of drug use, domestic violence, theft, even attempted murder.


So who are they releasing, genius.....

"We're talking about people with track records of the most serious and violent crime … and we're saying, 'Good luck out there, do well,'" said Christine Ward, executive director of Crime Victims Action Alliance.

 

[2aguy]

Only a brainwashed fool believes this will have any effect on criminals getting guns.

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

Your platitude is thoughtless and biased. Use a gun, go to prison, and three strikes have filled our prisons and are the primary reason the St. Prison system in California busted the budget.

All of which were passed by a dominant Democratic Legislature and signed by Republican Governors. At the same time Mental Health, Probation and Parole have had budget reductions, the former two resulted in the State raiding county revenue, and Parole greatly limited in terms of time under supervision, do to the liberals push for determinant sentencing.

I'd explain in detail, but facts always upset conservatives. Really now, cognitive dissonance isn't fatal.

Nope...gun criminals are out quickly, and serve little time.

Why do you make stuff up? You're not smart enough to fool anyone, and those of us who spent three + decades working in the criminal justice system see through you.

From the CA Penal Code:

12022.53. (a) This section applies to the following felonies:
(1) Section 187 (murder).
(2) Section 203 or 205 (mayhem).
(3) Section 207, 209, or 209.5 (kidnapping).
(4) Section 211 (robbery).
(5) Section 215 (carjacking).
(6) Section 220 (assault with intent to commit a specified
felony).
(7) Subdivision (d) of Section 245 (assault with a firearm on a
peace officer or firefighter).
(8) Section 261 or 262 (rape).
(9) Section 264.1 (rape or sexual penetration in concert).
(10) Section 286 (sodomy).
(11) Section 288 or 288.5 (lewd act on a child).
(12) Section 288a (oral copulation).
(13) Section 289 (sexual penetration).
(14) Section 4500 (assault by a life prisoner).
(15) Section 4501 (assault by a prisoner).
(16) Section 4503 (holding a hostage by a prisoner).
(17) Any felony punishable by death or imprisonment in the state
prison for life.
(18) Any attempt to commit a crime listed in this subdivision
other than an assault.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally uses a firearm, shall be punished by an additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 10 years. The firearm need not be operable or loaded for this enhancement to apply.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally
and intentionally discharges a firearm, shall be punished by an
additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 20 years.
(d) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), Section
246, or subdivision (c) or (d) of Section 26100, personally and
intentionally discharges a firearm and proximately causes great
bodily injury, as defined in Section 12022.7, or death, to any person
other than an accomplice, shall be punished by an additional and
consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 25 years to
life.

Title 2. Sentence Enhancements - California Penal Code Section 12022.53 - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

What say you now?

Okay Genius.......you posted this.......

(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally uses a firearm, shall be punished by an additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 10 years. The firearm need not be operable or loaded for this enhancement to apply.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally
and intentionally discharges a firearm, shall be punished by an
additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 20 years.


Sooooo...tell me genius....how did that work for this guy......

Oakland convicted killer released from jail after serving less than 3 years

A convicted drug dealer was released from jail today after serving less than three years for killing a man at a KFC restaurant in August 2012.

Anthony Paige and co-defendant Terry Austin, both 29, were charged with murder and attempted murder for the killing of 25-year-old Demariae Clay of Oakland and wounding a woman while the victims were waiting for food in the drive-through lane of the restaurant, located at 73rd Avenue and International Boulevard, at about 6:15 p.m. on Aug. 16, 2012.

The victims were in the woman’s Lexus and Clay was in the driver’s seat, according to Oakland police. Clay died of multiple gunshot wounds.

But prosecutors recently entered into an agreement that allowed Paige and Austin to plead no contest to the lesser charge of voluntary manslaughter and receive three-yearsentences.

Alameda County Superior Court Judge Allan Hymer formally sentenced Paige today to a three-year term but he was given credit for the time he’s been in custody since his arrest on Sept. 4, 2012, and released.

Austin’s lawyer, William DuBois, said Austin would be released from custody when he’s sentenced on Jan. 8, 2016. Delaying Austin’s sentencing date allows him to serve his time at the Glenn Dyer Jail in Oakland rather than at state prison, DuBois said.



Soooooo....any more dumb information that you want to post to show how wrong you are......?

I mean...with all of your "law enforcement" experience that you said means you know what you are talking about....? Please explain what happened to this guy in that story......

So as I have been posting over and over again.......violent, gun criminals are not being locked up for long periods of time.........moron.

 

[Wry Catcher]

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

Your platitude is thoughtless and biased. Use a gun, go to prison, and three strikes have filled our prisons and are the primary reason the St. Prison system in California busted the budget.

All of which were passed by a dominant Democratic Legislature and signed by Republican Governors. At the same time Mental Health, Probation and Parole have had budget reductions, the former two resulted in the State raiding county revenue, and Parole greatly limited in terms of time under supervision, do to the liberals push for determinant sentencing.

I'd explain in detail, but facts always upset conservatives. Really now, cognitive dissonance isn't fatal.

Nope...gun criminals are out quickly, and serve little time.

Why do you make stuff up? You're not smart enough to fool anyone, and those of us who spent three + decades working in the criminal justice system see through you.

From the CA Penal Code:

12022.53. (a) This section applies to the following felonies:
(1) Section 187 (murder).
(2) Section 203 or 205 (mayhem).
(3) Section 207, 209, or 209.5 (kidnapping).
(4) Section 211 (robbery).
(5) Section 215 (carjacking).
(6) Section 220 (assault with intent to commit a specified
felony).
(7) Subdivision (d) of Section 245 (assault with a firearm on a
peace officer or firefighter).
(8) Section 261 or 262 (rape).
(9) Section 264.1 (rape or sexual penetration in concert).
(10) Section 286 (sodomy).
(11) Section 288 or 288.5 (lewd act on a child).
(12) Section 288a (oral copulation).
(13) Section 289 (sexual penetration).
(14) Section 4500 (assault by a life prisoner).
(15) Section 4501 (assault by a prisoner).
(16) Section 4503 (holding a hostage by a prisoner).
(17) Any felony punishable by death or imprisonment in the state
prison for life.
(18) Any attempt to commit a crime listed in this subdivision
other than an assault.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally uses a firearm, shall be punished by an additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 10 years. The firearm need not be operable or loaded for this enhancement to apply.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), personally
and intentionally discharges a firearm, shall be punished by an
additional and consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 20 years.
(d) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who, in
the commission of a felony specified in subdivision (a), Section
246, or subdivision (c) or (d) of Section 26100, personally and
intentionally discharges a firearm and proximately causes great
bodily injury, as defined in Section 12022.7, or death, to any person
other than an accomplice, shall be punished by an additional and
consecutive term of imprisonment in the state prison for 25 years to
life.

Title 2. Sentence Enhancements - California Penal Code Section 12022.53 - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

What say you now?

And here you go dipshit.....

Explaining "Robbery" Laws in California | CA Penal Code 211 pc

Penalties

California robbery under Penal Code 211 PC is always a felony in California law. The exact penalty depends on whether you commit robbery of the first degree or of the second degree.3

A California robbery is considered robbery of the first degree if it is a

• robbery of any driver or passenger on a bus, taxi, streetcar, subway, cable car, etc.,
• robbery that takes place in an inhabited structure, or
• robbery of any person who has just used an ATM and is still in the vicinity of the ATM.4

First-degree robbery leads to a California state prison sentence of between three (3) and nine (9) years.5

And second-degree robbery is punishable by two (2), three (3) or five (5) years in state prison.6

Having a gun adds time, read my post moron. Ten, twenty or 25 to life for having a gun, using a gun or causing great bodily injury. These are added on to the time you've posted above.

There are other factors to consider for sentencing, under the rules of the court. The trier of fact can find factors in mitigation or aggrevation, for the former the lower term, for the later, the higher term and with no findings the base term.

 

[danielpalos]

The social Power has already been delegated to the County.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Not sure myself, but if it doesn't work we need to get rid of this amendment just like we gave the works to prohibition.

Here you go::
Don't like the 2nd Amendment? Get off your ass and repeal it. Really. | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[M14 Shooter]

Pass background checks without loopholes, brainwashed functional morons.

Only a brainwashed fool believes this will have any effect on criminals getting guns.

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

And you blame Dems for not passing strong anti-gun laws? LOL. The background check law has THE most support....

Obama was in office for 2 years with a Democrat-controlled Congress. Why didn't he pass it then?
I mean other than he didn't have enough Dem votes to do it...?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Pass background checks without loopholes, brainwashed functional morons.

Only a brainwashed fool believes this will have any effect on criminals getting guns.

No solution exists, except to put every criminal in prisons? And who defines "Criminal"? A man who steals formula for his infant son? And which mass murderer of recent time has had a criminal record?

Another stupid post by M14. The evidence is mounting that he is thoughtless.

There are solutions to every problem, but liberals don't have the guts to implement them.

20 years in prison for having a firearm you're not supposed to be in possession of. Arm more good citizens and promote good people carrying their guns. Make laws much more lenient for those who are legally armed. Give them the backing of our government should they need to use a firearm for protection.

Your platitude is thoughtless and biased. Use a gun, go to prison, and three strikes have filled our prisons and are the primary reason the St. Prison system in California busted the budget.

Why do you oppose stiff sentences for those who commit crimes with guns?
Rather than punish criminals that use guns, why do you prefer to further, limit the rights of the law abiding with mindless, needles and unconstitutional restrictions for which there is no sound argument?