Kansas schools to close early due to no funding....

[ogibillm]

the $190K is 0.9% of the budget.

and their cutting about 1% of school days.

Hmmm, a product of our school system.

gee, nobody has ever accidentally typed the wrong homophone before. especially not when using a phone to post.

 

[Moonglow]

I am sure the students are happy...

 

[ClosedCaption]

Keep fighting for them kids ya hear, they'll be ditch diggers before you know it. And while you applaud cutting their funding you can also complain about how dumb the kids are almost like one has nothing to do with the other.

Isnt cause and effect great?

We ARE fighting for the kids. We are trying to force school districts to teach instead of indoctrinate. Spend money, but spend it on things that will make graduates attractive to employers.
If I want to hire an engineer OR a burger flipper, I really don't care if he has been taught multiculturalism.
Mostly, I want him to know how to read, write and do math. Oh! and use apostrophes.

be honest - you're not fighting indoctrination, or at least most people aren't - they just want their own indoctrination taught.

No. We want our children taught skills that they will need after graduation.

I guess being aware of other cultures wont help you in the real world huh

Do you prepare the fries differently for Pacific Islanders at the Mickey D's you work at?

No you're thinking of styles of food. Being aware of other cultures and their traditions is different

I know who failed cooking and multiculturism...also english if you thought being aware meant food prep

 

[Ernie S.]

I was talking dietary restrictions, but you missed the point.
I am an excellent cook. As for multiculturalism, it wasn't taught when I went to school. I learned things like reading, math, history, civics and grammar; you know, things that I could use in the real world.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Conservative dogma: only those who can afford an education should have an education; those who fail to work hard to afford an education should simply do without, expecting no help from the state.

 

[Ernie S.]

Conservative dogma: only those who can afford an education should have an education; those who fail to work hard to afford an education should simply do without, expecting no help from the state.

Total bullshit!

 

[depotoo]

Glad you aren't . That actually sounds like a decent new funding plan. I will be intrested to see how it looks in a few years.

You really think extra money goes towards the kids? Dream on.

You're right, what good would it do the kids to be attending school anyway? Great point...Kids arent affected by the schools budget being cut. Books are free!

Sen. Steve Abrams, an Arkansas City Republican and chairman of the Senate Education Committee, revealed Senate Bill 294 as the annual session grinds through its final weeks. It would create a six-district pilot program for funding K-12 schools that would be expanded to as many as 106 districts in the second year, and all districts in the third year, as a block-grant mechanism of distributing state aid expires.

Inaugural districts in the Abrams plan would be Concordia, McPherson, Marysville, Hugoton, Blue Valley and Kansas City, Kan. — the same six districts already designated in state law as “innovative” districts exempt from many state laws and regulations governing management of public schools.
Senate panel checks pulse on new school finance plan CJOnline.com

^^^^that is what I see.

I also see standardized tests that lead nowhere but pay beau-coup cash. Yet, I don't find too many democrats that are willing to go up against that. I see a lot of whining by the Democrats but they have zip problems with the hedge fund run charter schools. I see unlicensed teachers and bewilderment of what happened to the middle class.

Nobody is taking me for a ride.

Do you not see, they are playing you like a fiddle. Let's claim poverty, even though noone has suffered, so they will give us what we want.

You watch enough public budget hearings, they sound like cry babies.

Let's see, this I could find it's from 2013
Kansas opts to create its own Common Core tests CJOnline.com

Ah, but they want to drop the license:
Kan. schools Real problems need real solutions Hays Post

And there is more to the finances:
Senate panel checks pulse on new school finance plan CJOnline.com

I also noticed that they spent a million on drug testing for welfare recipients.

 

[Papageorgio]

Conservative dogma: only those who can afford an education should have an education; those who fail to work hard to afford an education should simply do without, expecting no help from the state.

You do realize that these schools met the federal requirement for the days the needed to have classes, but that doesn't fit the OP's or your BS.

 

[Ernie S.]

How much does the Superintendent make?
Let's see some of the salaries and benefits packages. Let me see where the money is going. A school district loses $190,000 in funding and they will cut days from the calender instead of fat from the budget? I bet the "study" to make the decision to close early cost $150,000.

well there's a whole bunch of unjustified bullshit.

Except for the "study" quip, what's unjustified?
Scan over the budget synopsis I linked. Don't you think they could find $190K if that was the goal instead of trying to make the Governor look like an evil ogre?

well for one, they don't get to just 'cut' things during the school year. there probably is some fat to be cut, but is there enough between now and the end of the school year? probably not.
of course, it's not like kansas has been meeting it's funding requirements for a while now, so there may not be that much 'fat' to trim.

I'm betting that each district would barely notice a 5% cut in their education budget. If they would commit to that, most any fairly well off, tax paying citizen would fund the shortfall this year at zero interest.

 

[Disir]

I think this is ok, our kids need to learn with less so that we can give tax cuts to the rich and other more important things than education and kids

I think kids and school boards need to learn how to live within their means.

Keep fighting for them kids ya hear, they'll be ditch diggers before you know it. And while you applaud cutting their funding you can also complain about how dumb the kids are almost like one has nothing to do with the other.

Isnt cause and effect great?

We ARE fighting for the kids. We are trying to force school districts to teach instead of indoctrinate. Spend money, but spend it on things that will make graduates attractive to employers.
If I want to hire an engineer OR a burger flipper, I really don't care if he has been taught multiculturalism.
Mostly, I want him to know how to read, write and do math. Oh! and use apostrophes.

Yes, you do. You want multiculturalism in the schools. You want it on the job.

Multiculturalism increases graduation rates.

Huh?

Yep. Multiculturalism has taken on a very broad term.

Every kid that walks into a classroom brings what is called their own "world view"-it doesn't matter what the color of your skin is or what the cultural background is and you want these kids to stay engaged. This includes plain ol' white kids whose lines have been in this country so long that they don't think they even have a culture anymore. Those kids don't get the whole white patriarchal culture thing because they have had nothing to do with it. When they get it, it's traditionally a lesson in morality from the upper classes. There is not one aspect of American history that does not include Blacks, Latinos, "Native Americans", Asians, or Europeans.

Multiculturalism in the classroom means that your class of diverse students are able to relate and, therefore, retain information. It isn't from a losing stand point. It's a lot about contributions and a uniting force as we are all Americans.

How do you study civil rights and all of the things that Americans believe in and uphold and not look at Fred Korematsu? No multiculturalism in the classroom means you ignore it or present it in a paragraph and move on quickly which alienates Americans of Japanese descent. The reality is that Korematsu is just as American as any of us and we as a country believe in it.

If your engineer does not have the capacity to recognize other cultures contributions to the US or to the world then you will limit your business. Your burger flipper? You won't be able to retain others working with him/her. If the burger flipper is moved to management then you might very well encounter a lawsuit. If the attitude persists then you may very well lose business. At some point, it's going to matter but not until it hits your pocket book.

 

[Disir]

Glad you aren't . That actually sounds like a decent new funding plan. I will be intrested to see how it looks in a few years.

You really think extra money goes towards the kids? Dream on.

You're right, what good would it do the kids to be attending school anyway? Great point...Kids arent affected by the schools budget being cut. Books are free!

Sen. Steve Abrams, an Arkansas City Republican and chairman of the Senate Education Committee, revealed Senate Bill 294 as the annual session grinds through its final weeks. It would create a six-district pilot program for funding K-12 schools that would be expanded to as many as 106 districts in the second year, and all districts in the third year, as a block-grant mechanism of distributing state aid expires.

Inaugural districts in the Abrams plan would be Concordia, McPherson, Marysville, Hugoton, Blue Valley and Kansas City, Kan. — the same six districts already designated in state law as “innovative” districts exempt from many state laws and regulations governing management of public schools.
Senate panel checks pulse on new school finance plan CJOnline.com

^^^^that is what I see.

I also see standardized tests that lead nowhere but pay beau-coup cash. Yet, I don't find too many democrats that are willing to go up against that. I see a lot of whining by the Democrats but they have zip problems with the hedge fund run charter schools. I see unlicensed teachers and bewilderment of what happened to the middle class.

Nobody is taking me for a ride.

Do you not see, they are playing you like a fiddle. Let's claim poverty, even though noone has suffered, so they will give us what we want.

You watch enough public budget hearings, they sound like cry babies.

Let's see, this I could find it's from 2013
Kansas opts to create its own Common Core tests CJOnline.com

Ah, but they want to drop the license:
Kan. schools Real problems need real solutions Hays Post

And there is more to the finances:
Senate panel checks pulse on new school finance plan CJOnline.com

I also noticed that they spent a million on drug testing for welfare recipients.

How so?

 

[depotoo]

Rather than concentrating on testing.

Glad you aren't . That actually sounds like a decent new funding plan. I will be intrested to see how it looks in a few years.

You really think extra money goes towards the kids? Dream on.

You're right, what good would it do the kids to be attending school anyway? Great point...Kids arent affected by the schools budget being cut. Books are free!

Sen. Steve Abrams, an Arkansas City Republican and chairman of the Senate Education Committee, revealed Senate Bill 294 as the annual session grinds through its final weeks. It would create a six-district pilot program for funding K-12 schools that would be expanded to as many as 106 districts in the second year, and all districts in the third year, as a block-grant mechanism of distributing state aid expires.

Inaugural districts in the Abrams plan would be Concordia, McPherson, Marysville, Hugoton, Blue Valley and Kansas City, Kan. — the same six districts already designated in state law as “innovative” districts exempt from many state laws and regulations governing management of public schools.
Senate panel checks pulse on new school finance plan CJOnline.com

^^^^that is what I see.

I also see standardized tests that lead nowhere but pay beau-coup cash. Yet, I don't find too many democrats that are willing to go up against that. I see a lot of whining by the Democrats but they have zip problems with the hedge fund run charter schools. I see unlicensed teachers and bewilderment of what happened to the middle class.

Nobody is taking me for a ride.

Do you not see, they are playing you like a fiddle. Let's claim poverty, even though noone has suffered, so they will give us what we want.

You watch enough public budget hearings, they sound like cry babies.

Let's see, this I could find it's from 2013
Kansas opts to create its own Common Core tests CJOnline.com

Ah, but they want to drop the license:
Kan. schools Real problems need real solutions Hays Post

And there is more to the finances:
Senate panel checks pulse on new school finance plan CJOnline.com

I also noticed that they spent a million on drug testing for welfare recipients.

How so?

 

[Disir]

Rather than concentrating on testing.

Do you see any weaknesses in it?

 

[depotoo]

No more so than funding based on scores. A different approach that seems worth exploring. It sounds like some of the school districts are interested in it as well.

Rather than concentrating on testing.

Do you see any weaknesses in it?

 

[ClosedCaption]

I was talking dietary restrictions, but you missed the point.
I am an excellent cook. As for multiculturalism, it wasn't taught when I went to school. I learned things like reading, math, history, civics and grammar; you know, things that I could use in the real world.

Yeah, I bet you werent taught about computers either so why are these kids amirite

How much does the Superintendent make?
Let's see some of the salaries and benefits packages. Let me see where the money is going. A school district loses $190,000 in funding and they will cut days from the calender instead of fat from the budget? I bet the "study" to make the decision to close early cost $150,000.

well there's a whole bunch of unjustified bullshit.

Except for the "study" quip, what's unjustified?
Scan over the budget synopsis I linked. Don't you think they could find $190K if that was the goal instead of trying to make the Governor look like an evil ogre?

well for one, they don't get to just 'cut' things during the school year. there probably is some fat to be cut, but is there enough between now and the end of the school year? probably not.
of course, it's not like kansas has been meeting it's funding requirements for a while now, so there may not be that much 'fat' to trim.

I'm betting that each district would barely notice a 5% cut in their education budget. If they would commit to that, most any fairly well off, tax paying citizen would fund the shortfall this year at zero interest.

$51 million cut here

5% cut there


And then you want good students too?

 

[Disir]

No more so than funding based on scores. A different approach that seems worth exploring. It sounds like some of the school districts are interested in it as well.

Rather than concentrating on testing.

Do you see any weaknesses in it?

Just so we are clear, you are in favor of tying the success of schools to how successful someone is after they graduate from high school? And there is no weakness in this?

I would really like to understand your reasoning behind this.

 

[hipeter924]

They had better wish for a tornado to take them to OZ.

 

[depotoo]

Tying funding to success of test scores is not working. Even if they succeed in testing, we, as a nation , have fallen far behind.
Personally? My solution is take the unions out of schools, take out the feds as well. That is not likely to happen. This is a test concept to see what the results will be. If indeed it works, more power to it.
Motivating students to do well, overall, is much better than just teaching what a test will have on it, in my opinion.

No more so than funding based on scores. A different approach that seems worth exploring. It sounds like some of the school districts are interested in it as well.

Rather than concentrating on testing.

Do you see any weaknesses in it?

Just so we are clear, you are in favor of tying the success of schools to how successful someone is after they graduate from high school? And there is no weakness in this?

I would really like to understand your reasoning behind this.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Conservative dogma: humans are motivated solely by fear and greed; the fear of one's child going without an education will 'motivate' individuals to work hard. Remove that fear by affording children a 'free' public education, and people will become 'lazy' and 'unproductive.'

And of course the errant theme of a 'disincentive' can be found in other applications of failed conservative dogma, such as healthcare, public assistance, unemployment insurance, and Social Security disability and retirement.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Love how the GOP values children, they just won't pay for them, ever.