Kansas lawmakers pass adoption bill against gay couples

[Sun Devil 92]

Dumbshit comment. People are created as created. You sound like you are parroting some ignorant southern baptist boob or some other pathetic fundie.

I thank the Lord that I was created with the hetero gene.

#HeteroPride.

What "lord"? Yeah, I got the "hetero gene," too. But I don't go around insulting people who got the "other" genes. What's that about? "Hetero pride," my ass. I happen to be female and the only people I've ever been attracted to were male. I never had to "come out of the closet" and stop hiding the fact that I am heterosexual like the LGBTs had to do. If you had any "pride," it would be as a heterosexual WOMAN, who decides which man she will welcome in her bed and which she will not, and stop kowtowing to heterosexual men who want to program us to have sex on their command. Being a "proud" straight woman means that we make our own choices, Sometimes it's "yes;" and sometimes it's "no." If you're so proud, you would understand this fundamental concept. Stand up for heterosexual women for a change.

It's not our fault we're better than you. Nor to our credit. We're still sinners, we're just saved from our sins, that's all.

And I do stand up for heteros of all genders, which is why I'm better than you.

#ThinkForYourself.

#HeteroPride.

You are serious ? Really ?

Why would that be a joke?

I represent hundreds of millions more people than homo sympathizers in the US alone.

And the billion or so Muslims would say what to your claim ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

It's really the government they tend to hate. You, of course, love it since it keeps you in clothing.

My guess is that homosexuals would assimilate quite well if they were not so ******* militant about it.

But, nooooooooooo, they just have to have it their way and in the course of things screw up institutions that have been around longer than the gay rights movement.

Most gays I know think all this is bullshit and wish the headline grabbers would move out of the country.

An oppressed minority becomes militant out of necessity . They have that right and a obligation to them selves to fight back against discrimination and marginalization. Bitching about their militancy makes you sound exactly like the racial bigots who complain about uppity blacks who don't know their place.

LGBT people have come a long way but in some ways still have much to overcome. They are still subject to discrimination in housing, employment and, as we see here adoption. The fact is, that in progressive states like New Jersey where I am, they have assimilated quite well. It is not an issue and no one notices or cares that they live among us as productive and responsible citizens and family people . There is no militancy here because there is no need for it, unlike in Kansas and other places. . Ask your self how passive you would be if you were denied the right of full participation in society, and equal protection under the law based on some arbitrary characteristic or membership in a certain group.

Out of necessity ?

What necessity ?

Many groups have assimilated with no militancy.

Now, thanks for the lecture.

Only I lived in California for six years...where things are so progressive. And cities like Concord and Walnut Creek were forced to allow Gay Pride parandes where gay men would wear leather outfits that were simply gross. And women would wear outfits that challenged people to tell them they were sick. So, they didn't assimilate naturally...but they pushed themselves on people in a way that nobody else has.

And somehow you think you can tell others that it's O.K. for them to be militant...but you (being the tolerant ************ that you are) can call others bigotted for being militant back.

Kiss my ass.

Geezzzzz dude. It sounds like you're another one here who needs some anger management help. Your the one going all militant now and I seriously doubt if you really have anything to gripe about.

You ask what the necessity for being militant is?? That alone tells me a lot about you. You think that gays folks should just shut up an be thankful for what they achieved, and shut up about the small stuff like employment discrimination, public accomodations and adoption, don't you?

Why don't you settle down and explain what's really troubling you. I doubt that its just about parades. California has not always been so gay friendly. When were you there to witness these horrific spectacles? In any case, I doubt if that is what this is really all about. I stand by my assessment of your attitude. I want to silence gays for speaking out and demanding their rights, and when they do you bleat about militancy ..JUST LIKE others did - and still do , when complaining about "uppity Negroes "

Why don't you twist things a little harder and maybe they'll just snap.

Yes, I asked what the necessity of being militant was about. Why ? That question comes more from my gay friends than anything else. Know why ? For the most part they have not experienced what you call out. They live the complex lives they have dealing with difficult issues (especially the ones who were married before deciding they were gay) such as loving a woman who has been a great partner while being attracted to men. Oh....and let's not forget that same militancy in the gay community is what has some in the community openly critisizing and condemning gays who WON'tT leave their wives or families to be "really gay". Or freezing out those who don't agree with them in their approach to being confrontational. And we are not talking gays in the closet. These are people who are openly gay and who do their best to simply be part of what's around them without making a big deal about it. Who are openly accepted and contribute as if they were not any different (because they really are not any different).

Actually, it is what it is all about. I could care less about gay marriage (my thinking is that if heteros wouldn't get divorced at 50%, gay marriage really would not be an issue).

California is not gay friendly...so you take to the streets in a parade in a city that does not want you there to start and you rub it in people's faces by wearking things like black leather chaps with no underwear or nun's outfits spattered in red paint.....or...as one guy did....putting a 4 ft paper miche dick in a wheelbarrow and parading down mainstreet.

But you don't see the disconnect.

I could really give a flying **** about "your assessment". You won't (because you can't) answer why it's so great for gays to shove the worst of their culture on everyone, but it is bigoted to push back. That makes no ******* sense whatsoever.

The upitty comment is just making shit up. **** you.

And I'll go the same with those assholes who are so openly hostile towards gun owners. You wanna push...fine. But shut the **** up whem people push back.

Holy shit! That is one hell of a rachis rant! Again, I recommend anger management. I think that you are full of shit about having gay friends and, if you do, I'm willing to bet that you would not lay this bigoted bullshit on them, or they would no longer be your friends.

maybe your "friends " have been fortunate enough to not experience the discrimination that I described but that does not mean that it is not real. It is all well documented.

I do believe that you have some serious issues with gays and perhaps your own sexuality. You should really consider why you find it so necessary to lash out against gay activism as you do. Again, I seriously doubt that it is about the parades that you find so offensive. It is something much deeper that you are disturbed about,

And then there is this:

Actually, it is what it is all about. I could care less about gay marriage (my thinking is that if heteros wouldn't get divorced at 50%, gay marriage really would not be an issue).

What the **** is that about? Really bizarre! Heteros getting divorces? Why ? 50% of what? Geezzzz man get a grip!

If you don't understand the issues still facing gays and why it may be necessary for them to be " in your face" about it, that is your problem stemming from your own insensitivity and ignorance, and Jim Crow mentality.

Sorry dickweed....don't really give a **** what you want to speculate.

You are pretty dense. THEY are the ones who find the asswipe parades to be so offensive. You "do believe".....who the **** do you think you are ? You have no clue. It's O.K. for a small cross section of the gay community to come across as militant assholes, but when somebody takes a stand....oh my gosh what bigots ?? **** you and anyone who knows you. What my friends have experienced is pretty much a lot of support from others who are not gay. They are good friends, loyal coworkers an kind human beings. And they find things like Gay Parades to be counterproductive.

What's the matter ? Can't stand that people you claim to be defending find your form of activism on their behalf to be bullshit ? Get used to it.

Much much deeper.....thank you Sigmund....but, you are the one who suffers from a lack of understanding of what really exists in many circles.

Just like many of my black friends think the whole welfare fraud is oppressing blacks. (oh the shame of it).

And yes....asswipe, 50%. I keep asking why heteros are so focused on gays when they can't keep it together themselves. They claim marriage is sacred (and it is)...but don't mind busting them up at an alarmingly high rate. If they were more secure in their marriages, they might be so prone to ***** about gays getting married.

Just for clarity....a gay, a black, an amybody gets in my face and they are getting back x3. So keep it coming (clearly you lead of a chapter of AF's), you'll just get it back worse.

Jim Crow mentality....can't you pissforbrains find something a little more original and thoughtful ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

It's really the government they tend to hate. You, of course, love it since it keeps you in clothing.

My guess is that homosexuals would assimilate quite well if they were not so ******* militant about it.

But, nooooooooooo, they just have to have it their way and in the course of things screw up institutions that have been around longer than the gay rights movement.

Most gays I know think all this is bullshit and wish the headline grabbers would move out of the country.

An oppressed minority becomes militant out of necessity . They have that right and a obligation to them selves to fight back against discrimination and marginalization. Bitching about their militancy makes you sound exactly like the racial bigots who complain about uppity blacks who don't know their place.

LGBT people have come a long way but in some ways still have much to overcome. They are still subject to discrimination in housing, employment and, as we see here adoption. The fact is, that in progressive states like New Jersey where I am, they have assimilated quite well. It is not an issue and no one notices or cares that they live among us as productive and responsible citizens and family people . There is no militancy here because there is no need for it, unlike in Kansas and other places. . Ask your self how passive you would be if you were denied the right of full participation in society, and equal protection under the law based on some arbitrary characteristic or membership in a certain group.

Out of necessity ?

What necessity ?

Many groups have assimilated with no militancy.

Now, thanks for the lecture.

Only I lived in California for six years...where things are so progressive. And cities like Concord and Walnut Creek were forced to allow Gay Pride parandes where gay men would wear leather outfits that were simply gross. And women would wear outfits that challenged people to tell them they were sick. So, they didn't assimilate naturally...but they pushed themselves on people in a way that nobody else has.

And somehow you think you can tell others that it's O.K. for them to be militant...but you (being the tolerant ************ that you are) can call others bigotted for being militant back.

Kiss my ass.

Geezzzzz dude. It sounds like you're another one here who needs some anger management help. Your the one going all militant now and I seriously doubt if you really have anything to gripe about.

You ask what the necessity for being militant is?? That alone tells me a lot about you. You think that gays folks should just shut up an be thankful for what they achieved, and shut up about the small stuff like employment discrimination, public accomodations and adoption, don't you?

Why don't you settle down and explain what's really troubling you. I doubt that its just about parades. California has not always been so gay friendly. When were you there to witness these horrific spectacles? In any case, I doubt if that is what this is really all about. I stand by my assessment of your attitude. I want to silence gays for speaking out and demanding their rights, and when they do you bleat about militancy ..JUST LIKE others did - and still do , when complaining about "uppity Negroes "

Why don't you twist things a little harder and maybe they'll just snap.

Yes, I asked what the necessity of being militant was about. Why ? That question comes more from my gay friends than anything else. Know why ? For the most part they have not experienced what you call out. They live the complex lives they have dealing with difficult issues (especially the ones who were married before deciding they were gay) such as loving a woman who has been a great partner while being attracted to men. Oh....and let's not forget that same militancy in the gay community is what has some in the community openly critisizing and condemning gays who WON'tT leave their wives or families to be "really gay". Or freezing out those who don't agree with them in their approach to being confrontational. And we are not talking gays in the closet. These are people who are openly gay and who do their best to simply be part of what's around them without making a big deal about it. Who are openly accepted and contribute as if they were not any different (because they really are not any different).

Actually, it is what it is all about. I could care less about gay marriage (my thinking is that if heteros wouldn't get divorced at 50%, gay marriage really would not be an issue).

California is not gay friendly...so you take to the streets in a parade in a city that does not want you there to start and you rub it in people's faces by wearking things like black leather chaps with no underwear or nun's outfits spattered in red paint.....or...as one guy did....putting a 4 ft paper miche dick in a wheelbarrow and parading down mainstreet.

But you don't see the disconnect.

I could really give a flying **** about "your assessment". You won't (because you can't) answer why it's so great for gays to shove the worst of their culture on everyone, but it is bigoted to push back. That makes no ******* sense whatsoever.

The upitty comment is just making shit up. **** you.

And I'll go the same with those assholes who are so openly hostile towards gun owners. You wanna push...fine. But shut the **** up whem people push back.

Shoving "the worst" of someone's culture on "everyone"? I'm not sure what you mean by "the worst" of anyone's "culture," but I know that everyone who participates in American society puts what you describe as their "culture" forth to the general public. Merely being visible in society is NOT being "militant." It's known as "living." Look how long that shithead Pat Robertson has been on TV hawking his garbage and nobody has forced him off the air. Didn't we all get exposed to this "values" conference in D.C. some weeks ago? Didn't we all just get exposed to some NRA meeting in the past few days? We are all, every single one of us, exposed to "the worst" of somebody else's culture every damn day. If you don't want to go to somebody else's parade, simply don't go, toots.

Give your advise to someone who gives a **** if you live or die.

Almost all gays I know find this kind of bullshit to give them a bad name and invites negative responses:

The people who watch Pat Robertson must like him. To the rest he is invisible.

When these asswipes force themselves onto mainstreet where people shop and do business.....it's not invisible.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

One of these day

That's not the constitution. That's case law.

You said the constitution protects that choice to be a ***. Show me where the CONSTITUTION does that.

The SCOTUS was ruling on the Texas law that made it ILLEGAL. That's far different than saying the constitution protects the right to be a ***. You're moving the goalposts because you're losing the argument.

So the answer is.....Um no, it doesn't.

Lawrence essentially overturned a previous case.

So it didn't say it.....and now it does.

And it might stop some day.

CCJ is a fuckhead.

 

[Nia88]

Just when America is making progression. Conservatives are there to take us three steps backwards.

Can't believe in 2018 we're still having this conversation.

These are so many children who need homes. Does it matter who they're in a relationship with?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Since the law says gay can legally marry, they should be treated like all married couples. Even single people can adopt.

And this is exactly why homo marriage should not be legally sanctioned. Kids need a mother and a father not one or two of either. Empirically proven, post-1960’s. Those who disagree are backwards neoconservatives.

 

[rightwinger]

Saying republicans hate Jews when its republicans who go out of their way to defend Israel and the liberal left goes out of its way to say Israel is evil....I'm not quite sure how THAT got on the republican "hate" list.

How many Jewish politicians are Republican

Can’t love them that much

That would mean Jews hate republicans, not republicans hate jews.

Where are the Jewish Republican Congressmen and Governors?

 

[sealybobo]

May 4 (Reuters) - The Kansas Legislature on Friday approved a bill that allows faith-based adoption agencies to turn away gay and lesbian couples based on religious beliefs, and the state's governor said he would sign it.

Under the measure, the Kansas Department for Children and Families cannot block any foster or adoption agency, including those that receive public funds, from participating in its programs only because it refuses to adopt or place children with gay people.

Opponents of the bill said they will likely mount a legal challenge.

Kansas lawmakers pass adoption bill critics say is biased against gay couples

Mixed emotions about this. As with ALL adoptions, every couple should pass a rigid strict test of some sort to make sure they are of sound mind. Which should already be the case, right?
And....if the agency that is handling the adoption states it is against their religious beliefs, that should be protected. Parents wanting to adopt can do so from other agencies that are not religious in nature, one would think.

Your thoughts?

Maybe gays will show up in november

 

[sealybobo]

Saying republicans hate Jews when its republicans who go out of their way to defend Israel and the liberal left goes out of its way to say Israel is evil....I'm not quite sure how THAT got on the republican "hate" list.

How many Jewish politicians are Republican

Can’t love them that much

That would mean Jews hate republicans, not republicans hate jews.

Where are the Jewish Republican Congressmen and Governors?

If you make them they’ll find a token Jew to parade around. Maybe a joe Lieberman? But notice like Ben Carson, carli fiorino, condition rice and colon Powell they are appointed tokens because republican voters won’t vote for women, blacks, Asians, Arabs or Jews.

Only rich white men can win gop primaries

 

[Sunni Man]

There is only 1 reason homo's want to adopt children.

And it ain't good. .....

 

[rightwinger]

There is only 1 reason homo's want to adopt children.

And it ain't good. .....

love?

 

[dblack]

There is only 1 reason homo's want to adopt children.

And it ain't good. .....

Do you actually know any gay people?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

That's not the constitution. That's case law.

You said the constitution protects that choice to be a ***. Show me where the CONSTITUTION does that.

The SCOTUS was ruling on the Texas law that made it ILLEGAL. That's far different than saying the constitution protects the right to be a ***. You're moving the goalposts because you're losing the argument.

So the answer is.....Um no, it doesn't.

Obviously you do not understand Constitutional Law. Case law becomes part of constitutional law as it represents binding precedents and carries the same force of law as the articles of the constitution, the amendments , and legislation. Please smarten up.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Um no, it doesn't.

The constitution is what it is. You just hate the fact that I'm right and you're wrong.

So YOU need to "smarten up".

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

People choose to be fags.

The Lord does NOT create them as such.

And the Constitution protects their right to make that choice.

Please show me the word "homosexual" in the constitution.

Thanks.

People choose to be fags.

The Lord does NOT create them as such.

And the Constitution protects their right to make that choice.

Please show me the word "homosexual" in the constitution.

Thanks.

You can find it here in the Constitution:

“When sexuality finds overt expression in intimate conduct with another person, the conduct can be but one element in a personal bond that is more enduring. The liberty protected by the Constitution allows homosexual persons the right to make this choice.”

LAWRENCE V. TEXAS

You’re welcome.

Bullshit.

It's not in the consitution.

It overturned Bowers which said the constutiton said something else.

You guys are so fucked up.

It is unconstitutional to prosecute people for private sexual conduct. Period over and done with. It has the same force of law as if it were in the body of the constitution. Get the **** over yourself. You are far from a constitutional scholar.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Um no, it doesn't.

The constitution is what it is. You just hate the fact that I'm right and you're wrong.

So YOU need to "smarten up".

Feel free to continue to delude yourself into believing that.

 

[airplanemechanic]

There is only 1 reason homo's want to adopt children.

And it ain't good. .....

Do you actually know any gay people?

I know several fags and one of them is a sex offender busted for thousands of images of child porn.

 

[dblack]

People choose to be fags.

The Lord does NOT create them as such.

And the Constitution protects their right to make that choice.

Please show me the word "homosexual" in the constitution.

Thanks.

People choose to be fags.

The Lord does NOT create them as such.

And the Constitution protects their right to make that choice.

Please show me the word "homosexual" in the constitution.

Thanks.

You can find it here in the Constitution:

“When sexuality finds overt expression in intimate conduct with another person, the conduct can be but one element in a personal bond that is more enduring. The liberty protected by the Constitution allows homosexual persons the right to make this choice.”

LAWRENCE V. TEXAS

You’re welcome.

Bullshit.

It's not in the consitution.

It overturned Bowers which said the constutiton said something else.

You guys are so fucked up.

It is unconstitutional to prosecute people for private sexual conduct. Period over and done with. It has the same force of law as if it were in the body of the constitution. Get the **** over yourself. You are far from a constitutional scholar.

The thing with the Constitution, is that it assumes some consensus on that basics of personal liberty. Chief among those is the idea that if your actions aren't harming anyone else, the law has no business interfering. And the problem is that we've lost that consensus. Both sides of the culture war seek to use government to impose their beliefs on the other. I know you disagree, but using the law to oppress gays is no less an abuse of government than using it force people to accept them. Government should protect the rights of individuals and stay out of the social engineering business.

 

[rightwinger]

There is only 1 reason homo's want to adopt children.

And it ain't good. .....

Do you actually know any gay people?

I know several fags and one of them is a sex offender busted for thousands of images of child porn.

Why don’t you just say some of your best friends are fags?

 

[airplanemechanic]

No, people I have to deal with at work and such are fags. I do not befriend faggots.