Kamala supports NO RESTRICTIONS on abortion

[JoeB131]

Has nothing to do with anything. Guns can kill. Guns can also be used for sport. Guns can be used to kill animals. You know, this thing called hunting.

Then we should restrict gun sales to just sporting guns, and you have to prove you do that on a regular basis. Problem solved.

Ah, so you are against the 2nd Amendment. Now we are getting somewhere.

No, I'm all for well-regulated militias. That means you actually monitor who gets the guns.

Abortion is not birth control any more than murder is population control.

Fetuses aren't people, so it isn't murder.

Even when abortion was illegal, it was never charged as murder.

 

[Rambunctious]

Again, you are confused.

Roe allowed for restrictions based on "Viability", but those restrictions were nullified by Doe v. Boland, issued the same day as Roe, which allowed for third trimester abortion for health reasons. (the only real reason why they are done.)

Wrong the states could remove restrictions like in CA... but unless a woman's life was in danger Roe did not allow late term abortions... many blue states today have fewer restrictions than RvW... and no one is being denied an abortion any where in our nation...
This morning on cup of Joe Mika lied about a woman who died in a hospital after losing her baby... Mika said it was due to the Dobbs decision... but this happened 9 months before Dobbs... the misinformation is ramped up stop falling for it...

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

France can do it post week 15 if a doctor says it's medically necessary.

I wasn't pointing out that WE should do that, just that if you want to have this is a policy, you should maybe do some of the other things, too.

I happy leaving it to the states but you said the Govt should stay out of it other than paying for it.

 

[JoeB131]

I happy leaving it to the states but you said the Govt should stay out of it other than paying for it.

Except the states are the government, stupid.

Wrong the states could remove restrictions like in CA... but unless a woman's life was in danger Roe did not allow late term abortions... many blue states today have fewer restrictions than RvW... and no one is being denied an abortion any where in our nation...
This morning on cup of Joe Mika lied about a woman who died in a hospital after losing her baby... Mika said it was due to the Dobbs decision... but this happened 9 months before Dobbs... the misinformation is ramped up stop falling for it...

Again, you are a little confused. Look up Doe v. Bolton.

Doe v. Bolton - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The same 7–2 majority that struck down a Texas abortion law in Roe v. Wade invalidated most of the remaining restrictions of the Georgia abortion law, including the medical approval and residency requirements. The Court reiterated the protected "right to privacy," which applied to matters involving marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, child rearing, and education.[3] Justice Harry A. Blackmun wrote the majority opinion for the Court, in which he explained "the sensitive and emotional nature" of the issue and "the deep and seemingly absolute convictions" on both sides.[4] Justice Blackmun went on to conclude that as a constitutional matter, the right to privacy was "broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy."[3][4]

Together, Doe and Roe declared abortion as a constitutional right and overturned most laws against abortion in other U.S. states. Roe legalized abortion nationwide for approximately the first six months of pregnancy until the point of fetal viability.[3]

Definition of health​

The Court's opinion in Doe v. Bolton stated that a woman may obtain an abortion until birth, if necessary to protect her health. The Court defined "health" as follows:

Whether, in the words of the Georgia statute, "an abortion is necessary" is a professional judgment that the Georgia physician will be called upon to make routinely. We agree with the District Court, 319 F. Supp., at 1058, that the medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors - physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman's age - relevant to the well-being of the patient. All these factors may relate to health.[1]

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Except the states are the government, stupid.



Again, you are a little confused. Look up Doe v. Bolton.

Doe v. Bolton - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The same 7–2 majority that struck down a Texas abortion law in Roe v. Wade invalidated most of the remaining restrictions of the Georgia abortion law, including the medical approval and residency requirements. The Court reiterated the protected "right to privacy," which applied to matters involving marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, child rearing, and education.[3] Justice Harry A. Blackmun wrote the majority opinion for the Court, in which he explained "the sensitive and emotional nature" of the issue and "the deep and seemingly absolute convictions" on both sides.[4] Justice Blackmun went on to conclude that as a constitutional matter, the right to privacy was "broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy."[3][4]

Together, Doe and Roe declared abortion as a constitutional right and overturned most laws against abortion in other U.S. states. Roe legalized abortion nationwide for approximately the first six months of pregnancy until the point of fetal viability.[3]

Definition of health​

The Court's opinion in Doe v. Bolton stated that a woman may obtain an abortion until birth, if necessary to protect her health. The Court defined "health" as follows:

Leaving it to the states to decide not pay for it. Didn’t read the rest of your drivel, Jeanie. Your double talk is amusing.

 

[Rambunctious]

Except the states are the government, stupid.

State governments are not federal governments stupid... and Roe V Wade did not allow late term abortions... it needed the states to remove restrictions some did and some did not...
And constitutional rights can't be added to the constitution without congress... Abortion is not a constitutional right and never has been or Dobbs would not have been approved by the court... dude I don't know where you get your information from but its making you sound like a fool....

 

[JoeB131]

Leaving it to the states to decide not pay for it. Didn’t read the rest of your drivel, Jeanie. Your double talk is amusing.

No double talk at all.

We should have universal health care, because we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't.

The government should not have a say in what that health care consists of. Just the patient and the doctor.

 

[JoeB131]

State governments are not federal governments stupid... and Roe V Wade did not allow late term abortions... it needed the states to remove restrictions some did and some did not...
And constitutional rights can't be added to the constitution without congress... Abortion is not a constitutional right and never has been or Dobbs would not have been approved by the court... dude I don't know where you get your information from but its making you sound like a fool....

I've explained to you about Doe v. Bolton several times. If you can't understand the concept, there's not much I can do for you.

 

[Rambunctious]

I've explained to you about Doe v. Bolton several times. If you can't understand the concept, there's not much I can do for you.

But you are wrong... so there is that....

 

[JoeB131]

But you are wrong... so there is that....

No, actually, I'm not.

Go back, ready what I posted, have someone explain the big words to you.

 

[Rambunctious]

No, actually, I'm not.

Go back, ready what I posted, have someone explain the big words to you.

I know all about it and you are wrong.... and so is your post link... fake news again....

 

[Rambunctious]

JoeB131 before Dobbs struck down Roe V Wade were there restrictions on abortions then?... answer yes Roe never changed... the states had to remove restrictions....

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

No double talk at all.

We should have universal health care, because we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't.

The government should not have a say in what that health care consists of. Just the patient and the doctor.

I know Where you stand but you said the Govt should stay out of the abortion issue. Except you want the Govt to pay for it. Double talking jive. I aint got no more patience,

UH won’t happen.

 

[JoeB131]

JoeB131 before Dobbs struck down Roe V Wade were there restrictions on abortions then?... answer yes Roe never changed... the states had to remove restrictions....

NO, there really weren't. Again, go back, read about Doe v. Bolton, and then get back to me.

 

[JoeB131]

I know Where you stand but you said the Govt should stay out of the abortion issue. Except you want the Govt to pay for it. Double talking jive. I aint got no more patience,

UH won’t happen.

You're spinning your wheels.

UH is pretty much inevitable.

Not sure why you don't want it to be.

 

[Rambunctious]

NO, there really weren't. Again, go back, read about Doe v. Bolton, and then get back to me.

Don't worry JoeB... you can still get an abortion...

 

[Rambunctious]

JoeB131 My point is still true... Roe V Wade had restrictions and some states removed them others did not.... there is no legal way Roe could be changed or amended in any way without a constitutional convention or at least an act by Congress... so some states once again dummy made changes via the bill you are referring to...

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You're spinning your wheels.

UH is pretty much inevitable.

Not sure why you don't want it to be.

Ahhh way to divert. So you do want the Govt to pay for abortion. So you don’t want the Govt to stay out of it.

It’s not that I am against UH but it won’t happen. The insurance industry and it’s lobbyists won’t allow it.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

Kamala seems like the type that would chop the "live" baby's arms and legs off to make sure it died on the cold steel table....

 

[DBA]

Then we should restrict gun sales to just sporting guns, and you have to prove you do that on a regular basis. Problem solved.

What is a the definition of a sporting gun? Guns aren’t used for protection? If so, pistols should be legal. Shotguns work, but certainly aren’t portable and can be cumbersome in small spaces. For sport, a shotgun for pheasant hunting. A rifle for deer hunting. AR’s are great for hog hunting.

You are grasping at straws.

No, I'm all for well-regulated militias. That means you actually monitor who gets the guns.

The Supreme Court has routinely upheld the right to keep and bear arm, overturning many restrictive laws from looney states and cities like yours.

Fetuses aren't people, so it isn't murder.

Even when abortion was illegal, it was never charged as murder.

Unborn Victims Act - Even when Roe v Wade was still enforceable, this law was passed. MOST states recognize a “fetus” as a homicide victim. Now that Roe v Wade was overturned, this Act has an even more stable legal foundation.

https://www.congress.gov/108/plaws/publ212/PLAW-108publ212.pdf

Most Americans don’t have the extreme views you have on abortion.