Kamala Harris Denies Govt-Run Single Payer is 'Socialism'

[Deno]

KH is one dumb *****...……..

her first name alone will kill her chances, when i hear "Kamala" I think of a huge/fat ugly WWE wrestler from the 80's 90's

I think of a kamalata olive

Trump is a fat ass & you love him.

We do Love President Trump.....

And you are a POS.....

 

[RealDave]

"Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) on Tuesday defended her support for “Medicare for all,” saying it is not a socialist idea.

"No, no. It’s about providing health care to all people," Harris said"



Kamala Harris is embarrassing herself while proving although she cal lie her ass off about Democrat Health Care BS she is still no Barak Obama...




Harris: 'Medicare for all' is not socialism

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You assfuck. You don;t know what socialism is.

Medicare pays for your medical care from PRIVATE doctors & PRIVATE health facilities.

You people are too ******* stupid to be alive.

Exactly. I'm glad to see at least one person on this threat knows what socialism really is.

The doctors and health care providers aren't government employees.

If they're all paid by the government, there's no appreciable difference.

Bullshit. Whether your provider sends the bill to you, your insurance, or the government to be paid is not relevant to the care you received.

 

[RealDave]

So you want a health insurance company's CEO to be in charge of your healthcare.

I'm always baffled that you think this is an argument.

"So you want a politician, and their political lobbying groups, to be in charge of your healthcare?"

The difference between my statement, and your statement, is that mine is actually accurate, while yours is mythology.

I have been to a doctor when I didn't have insurance. I've been to a hospital without insurance.

Both times, I got something called a "bill". I then paid the "bill".

What insurance CEO has control over my health care?

That isn't a valid complaint. People who have insurance, choose to have insurance, because they value the service provided by the insurance company. You don't have to have insurance. You can choose to not have insurance, and just pay the bill yourself.

And quite frankly, if you think government politicians are going to take care of you... you are crazy.

AOC has been caught funneling money to her lover, through corrupt transactions. You think she is going to take care of you?

Reminds me of the MP up in Canada, getting cancer, and flying to the US for care, on tax payer dollars. She's taking care of herself... not the public. While people are dying on 3 year long waiting lists in Canada, she's using their tax dollars to fly to the US to get good care.

Or Castro in Cuba, not using the garbage Cuban health care system, but hiring a private doctor, and flying him and his medical equipment, to personally service Castro alone... while the average Cuban can't even get Aspirin.

You people seem completely detached from reality. You live in this mythical fairy land, where elitist in Washington, who have never worked a full days wage in their life... are going to take care of you?

Please.... if I have to choose, I'll take a CEO who has provided a service to millions of people, over a 1970s socialist mummy who was kicked out of his own commune, because he was too lazy.

Absolutely, I'll take the CEO. You can have your VA Hospital waiting list, and pray the politicians fix your life. We'll see who ends up better off.

Why the Mayo Clinic is refusing to see Medicare patients

I'll go to the Mayo clinic, and get top quality care. You can go to your medicare approved doctor, and we'll see who is better off.

One of my co-workers needed hand surgery, didn't want to pay for it, went through the government, and that doctor screwed up her hand so badly, she never came back to work.

My father who is a career painter and water color artist, had the same surgery though a private doctor, and it was expensive, and now he can paint again.

Yeah, let's see who ends up better off.

VA: Secret waiting list delayed care for 87 veterans in 2017


Good luck with that.

The VA hospitals were government run. Under single payer hospitals are private run.

Got any other stupid excuse?

Medicare is more efficient that insurance companies.

No they are not. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

Canada has virtually no private hospitals.

Ontario - by far the most populated province - has over 13 million people and 492 hospitals. Only two are private...and they are very small at that.

Number hospitals Canada by province 2016 | Statistic
Centric Health: One of Ontario's Two Public Private Hospitals | Beaches|Life magazine

How many Canadians and English like their NHS?
> 90%?

1) link...I am not interested in your guesses.

2) Well duh. That is the only system most of them have ever known. And all they hear about is how horrible the U.S. system is...so they love it.

But being content with your fat, bitchy wife when the only alternative you think you have is an even fatter, bitchier wife is not the same as being happy with your wife.

You talk to most seniors in Canada (the people who use the system the most by FAR)...and I bet you most of them do NOT like the system. But ask them if they want the American mess instead - and they will probably say 'NOPE'.

So you only like yours because you have never experienced anything else. How does that make you right?

 

[RealDave]

More proof Trump supports are uninformed jackasses.

 

[g5000]

"Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) on Tuesday defended her support for “Medicare for all,” saying it is not a socialist idea.

"No, no. It’s about providing health care to all people," Harris said"



Kamala Harris is embarrassing herself while proving although she cal lie her ass off about Democrat Health Care BS she is still no Barak Obama...




Harris: 'Medicare for all' is not socialism

.

You assfuck. You don;t know what socialism is.

Medicare pays for your medical care from PRIVATE doctors & PRIVATE health facilities.

You people are too ******* stupid to be alive.

Exactly. I'm glad to see at least one person on this threat knows what socialism really is.

The doctors and health care providers aren't government employees. They are all private business. When private business is involved, socialism isn't.

Horseshit. When government totally controls your access to a doctor, that's socialism.


Period.

 

[JoeB131]

No... That's not what limited government is at all.

Limited government is government doing for individual citizens what the individual citizens can't do for themselves.

Roads, military, and some other functions cannot be done by individuals. "Only buying the roads you drive on" doesn't work.

Okay. Good point. You make $50,000 a year (the national average). Your doctor tells you that you have cancer, and your treatment will cost $250,000. You don't have those kinds of resources, you might lose your job, and no bank is going to loan you that kind of money.

So do you dutifully die?

 

[Andylusion]

Let's even pretend that everything you said was right, and it really did cost $200K.

Ok, which is worse.... death, or bankruptcy? I can go back to work, and find ways to be productive, and use that to pay off my debts. What I can't do, is come back from the grave.

No one should have to make that choice in the USA

Because....... why? I never understand this. Because we're so greedy, we should never have to pay for what we want?

Why is the idea of paying for stuff, so evil now?

Have you seen the riots going on in France? They have free health care, and such massive taxes, that people who would be middle class in the US, are living in poverty in France.

But at least they have free health care.... so the explains why they are so happy.

Why shouldn't people have to pay for what they want? That is what this country was built on, that resulted in us being the lone super power of the world, with a GDP greater than the next 3 countries combined.

And when you say that, you are advocating that all of us become poorer. How is forcing people at gun point, to fund other people's stuff, better? No one should have to make that choice... so will force you to, or throw you in prison? That's immoral.

 

[Rigby5]

Not really:

so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN

1. 
   . The current Medicare system covers more than 40 million Americans. Doctors are free to not accept Medicare but most do. The 20% less that they get from Medicare vs. private insurance in made up for by supplemental insurance in most cases. To some degree you can make the argument that it is privatized insurance but it is not socialized medicine. Health care provider remain independent and health care decisions are between the doctor and patient. The government is far less intrusive than private insurers were allowed to be before Obama care with annual and lifetime caps on coverage and the ability to tell people with pre existing conditions that they just have to go bankrupt to pay for their care or die.

1. 
   Single-payer health care plan isn't socialism | Physicians for a National Health Program

You're proving my point. Owned or "REGULATED" by the community as a whole, which in our system is presented by the Government.

Jeebus. Fish in a Barrel.

I already acknowledged that single pay is, arguably socialized insurance. But, not withstanding the dictionary definition of socialism, it is ludicrous to decry everything that is regulated to any degree as socialism and therefor bad. Are you taking the position that the medical industry should not be regulated and held to government standards?. How about food and drugs ? Are those industries socialized because they are regulated and would we be better off-or worse off if they were not? Do you trust the free market to protect you from those who are motivated by profit? You people need to get over this childish hysteria about socialism and understand that all socialism is not Cuba, the USSR or Venezuela

I don't know what Venezuela was or is but Cuba and the USSR are not nor have they ever been socialism.

They are or were communistic states.

There's a very big difference between socialism and communism but it seems most Americans think they're the same. I don't know why. They should have been taught the differences in school. Like I was.

Communism is an economic policy that the government owns everything. Not just controls some parts or owns some parts of the economy. Communism doesn't allow for people to own a business or even the land or home they live in. Everyone rents their home from the government because the government owns everything. There is no private ownership of business or any part of business.

Socialism is public or government ownership of some things. Usually what our society used to call the "commons." Such as the police department, Fire department, schools, roads etc. Anything that the public owns and uses. We all agree that we don't want our government to own our farms and grow our food but we all want our government to make sure that food is safe for us to consume and will alert us when it's not safe and recall what isn't safe. We don't want our government to make and develop our medications and medical innovations but we do want our government to make sure those medications and innovations are safe and do what they claim to do.

We have tried the private capitalism approach to health care and it's a disaster. Especially when it had very few proper regulations. We tried it the conservative way and people hate it.

Just because the government is paying the bills instead of a private insurance company doesn't mean that single payer is socialism.

Actually I would say that the USSR was never even remotely communist.
For communism, you have to have communalism first, which pretty much requires a democratic republic.
Since there was nothing shared in the USSR, it was actually just state capitalism.

Omigawd!

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Totalitarian Collectivism is Capitalism

The original Bolshevik revolution was mostly communists, but Stalin never was.
And once he got enough power, he killed off all the communists.
Remember the last one was Trotsky, who tried to hide out in Mexico in order to prevent being killed by Stalin.
Well Stalin got Trotsky also eventually.
So then how can you possibly have communism when one man, Stalin, was the only one to benefit?
And when one person is on total control and take more than his share, that is capitalist feudalism.
You certainly can't possibly call it communism.
Communism requires communal ownership.
That included the profits.
Did Stalin share profits communally?

 

[Dana7360]

So, what does the government own? Medicare does not manage patient care, where to getg care, how the care is given. It just pays the bill under a set of rules.

Medicare is NOT socialism.

Sure it. It socializes health insurance, putting it under control of government.

But let's grant you your conceit. Let's say it isn't, according to your definition, "socialism". It doesn't change a single thing about why I don't like it. It's still giving government way too much power. It's still putting Donald Trump in charge of my family's health insurance and that's something I'll fight hard to avoid.

No it is not socialism. No NO NO NO No No No No No No No.

LOL - I hear you already. Like I said. Call it whatever you want. I oppose it for what it is, not the label attached to it.

So you want a health insurance company's CEO to be in charge of your healthcare.

Nope. Insurance companies can't pass laws or have me arrested. I can tell them to piss off whenever I like. Do you really NOT understand that difference?

What are you going to do when a doctor looks you in the eye and tells you that you have cancer? Or heart disease? Or you're on vacation and you're in some sort of accident and you have no insurance because you told them to piss off?

Do you expect to pay all thousands it will take to keep you alive? Do you have the cash to pay for the cancer or heart surgery then the follow up chemo etc? It costs thousands. Tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Who will pay for all that if you have told the insurance companies to piss off?

Do you understand the concept of paying into the insurance pool so that when you need medical care the money is there? That's one of the purposes of insurance.

I would love to tell the insurance company to piss off but I will only be buying more insurance from a company that is basically the same as the one I told to piss. off. Or if you have insurance provided by an employer, they don't usually offer many different policies and usually don't like you to change between the types of policies they offer.

So you're very limited to what you can do.

Either you pay into the private insurance pool or you pay into a public insurance pool.

Or do you plan to incur medical expenses and not pay them? Leaving me and everyone else to pay it.

You may be healthy now and you may not need medical care but that won't last. You will get older. You will experience accidents. You will need medical care. You just don't expect to pay for it.

 

[Rigby5]

Let's even pretend that everything you said was right, and it really did cost $200K.

Ok, which is worse.... death, or bankruptcy? I can go back to work, and find ways to be productive, and use that to pay off my debts. What I can't do, is come back from the grave.

No one should have to make that choice in the USA

Because....... why? I never understand this. Because we're so greedy, we should never have to pay for what we want?

Why is the idea of paying for stuff, so evil now?

Have you seen the riots going on in France? They have free health care, and such massive taxes, that people who would be middle class in the US, are living in poverty in France.

But at least they have free health care.... so the explains why they are so happy.

Why shouldn't people have to pay for what they want? That is what this country was built on, that resulted in us being the lone super power of the world, with a GDP greater than the next 3 countries combined.

And when you say that, you are advocating that all of us become poorer. How is forcing people at gun point, to fund other people's stuff, better? No one should have to make that choice... so will force you to, or throw you in prison? That's immoral.

If the US were to make health care free and public, it would not cost anyone anything, but greatly reduce our individual costs.
That is because we are paying over 2 to 3 times more than public health care costs in any other country, and we get far worse health care.
That is because insurance companies skim so much profit, and because they don't want providers to be affordable, because they want health insurance to be the only way to afford health care.

 

[Rigby5]

Sure it. It socializes health insurance, putting it under control of government.

But let's grant you your conceit. Let's say it isn't, according to your definition, "socialism". It doesn't change a single thing about why I don't like it. It's still giving government way too much power. It's still putting Donald Trump in charge of my family's health insurance and that's something I'll fight hard to avoid.

No it is not socialism. No NO NO NO No No No No No No No.

LOL - I hear you already. Like I said. Call it whatever you want. I oppose it for what it is, not the label attached to it.

So you want a health insurance company's CEO to be in charge of your healthcare.

Nope. Insurance companies can't pass laws or have me arrested. I can tell them to piss off whenever I like. Do you really NOT understand that difference?

What are you going to do when a doctor looks you in the eye and tells you that you have cancer? Or heart disease? Or you're on vacation and you're in some sort of accident and you have no insurance because you told them to piss off?

Do you expect to pay all thousands it will take to keep you alive? Do you have the cash to pay for the cancer or heart surgery then the follow up chemo etc? It costs thousands. Tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Who will pay for all that if you have told the insurance companies to piss off?

Do you understand the concept of paying into the insurance pool so that when you need medical care the money is there? That's one of the purposes of insurance.

I would love to tell the insurance company to piss off but I will only be buying more insurance from a company that is basically the same as the one I told to piss. off. Or if you have insurance provided by an employer, they don't usually offer many different policies and usually don't like you to change between the types of policies they offer.

So you're very limited to what you can do.

Either you pay into the private insurance pool or you pay into a public insurance pool.

Or do you plan to incur medical expenses and not pay them? Leaving me and everyone else to pay it.

You may be healthy now and you may not need medical care but that won't last. You will get older. You will experience accidents. You will need medical care. You just don't expect to pay for it.

I would not mind paying into private or public risk pool for health care, except that the private one is ridiculously expensive and totally unresponsive once you prepay.

So since the private risk pool has totally failed, and is bankrupting the whole country, we might as well try a public risk pool, because there is no other choice left, and it seems to work every where else.

 

[beagle9]

The big point being made is that governments track record on running things is very dismal, inept, redundant, unproductive, slack, unprofessional, very costly with not much on the return when it comes to products or services. Yes, all one has to do is look at the past problems, and what they led to over time.

If you believe the same people that lied to you about Obamacare, you deserve crappy healthcare. The rest of America deserved better.

If you think the people that blew $Billions on the California High Speed Rail to nowhere are smart enough to manage the entire nation's healthcare, you need to wise up.

Was this post directed at me or did you make a mistake ???

 

[dblack]

Right! It was oh so much better when the insurers were in control !

They're not though. Except via their manipulation of the regulatory state, insurance companies have no power to force us to buy their product. This is the glaring fact that statists will never acknowledge. Why not??

Before Obamacare, they had the power to let you die , even if you did buy the product. Remember?

What are you talking about?? We all have the power to let people die. We do it every day.

 

[dblack]

Sure it. It socializes health insurance, putting it under control of government.

But let's grant you your conceit. Let's say it isn't, according to your definition, "socialism". It doesn't change a single thing about why I don't like it. It's still giving government way too much power. It's still putting Donald Trump in charge of my family's health insurance and that's something I'll fight hard to avoid.

No it is not socialism. No NO NO NO No No No No No No No.

LOL - I hear you already. Like I said. Call it whatever you want. I oppose it for what it is, not the label attached to it.

So you want a health insurance company's CEO to be in charge of your healthcare.

Nope. Insurance companies can't pass laws or have me arrested. I can tell them to piss off whenever I like. Do you really NOT understand that difference?

What are you going to do when a doctor looks you in the eye and tells you that you have cancer? Or heart disease? Or you're on vacation and you're in some sort of accident and you have no insurance because you told them to piss off?

That's none of your business. And that's not just snark. It's the entire point of this debate.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Right! It was oh so much better when the insurers were in control !

They're not though. Except via their manipulation of the regulatory state, insurance companies have no power to force us to buy their product. This is the glaring fact that statists will never acknowledge. Why not??

Before Obamacare, they had the power to let you die , even if you did buy the product. Remember?

What are you talking about?? We all have the power to let people die. We do it every day.

I'm talking about Annual and lifetime caps on coverage, and denial of coverage for pre existing conditions. Now, What are YOU talking about?!

 

[dblack]

Right! It was oh so much better when the insurers were in control !

They're not though. Except via their manipulation of the regulatory state, insurance companies have no power to force us to buy their product. This is the glaring fact that statists will never acknowledge. Why not??

Before Obamacare, they had the power to let you die , even if you did buy the product. Remember?

What are you talking about?? We all have the power to let people die. We do it every day.

I'm talking about Annual and lifetime caps on coverage, and denial of coverage for pre existing conditions. Now, What are YOU talking about?!

How is that "letting" people die? As long as they are clear about the terms up front, how is that cheating anyone in any way?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Right! It was oh so much better when the insurers were in control !

They're not though. Except via their manipulation of the regulatory state, insurance companies have no power to force us to buy their product. This is the glaring fact that statists will never acknowledge. Why not??

Before Obamacare, they had the power to let you die , even if you did buy the product. Remember?

What are you talking about?? We all have the power to let people die. We do it every day.

I'm talking about Annual and lifetime caps on coverage, and denial of coverage for pre existing conditions. Now, What are YOU talking about?!

How is that "letting" people die? As long as they are clear about the terms up front, how is that cheating anyone in any way?

How is it not letting people die? They may know what the policy says, but they don't know how sick they will get , or don't believe that they will. Then it happens and the (real) death panels issue a death sentence.

 

[dblack]

They're not though. Except via their manipulation of the regulatory state, insurance companies have no power to force us to buy their product. This is the glaring fact that statists will never acknowledge. Why not??

Before Obamacare, they had the power to let you die , even if you did buy the product. Remember?

What are you talking about?? We all have the power to let people die. We do it every day.

I'm talking about Annual and lifetime caps on coverage, and denial of coverage for pre existing conditions. Now, What are YOU talking about?!

How is that "letting" people die? As long as they are clear about the terms up front, how is that cheating anyone in any way?

How is it not letting people die? They may know what the policy says, but they don't know how sick they will get , or don't believe that they will. Then it happens and the (real) death panels issue a death sentence.

No, they follow the letter of the insurance policy. Insurance won't work if they don't do that. They're no more responsible for "letting" someone die that any of us.

 

[Dana7360]

So, what does the government own? Medicare does not manage patient care, where to getg care, how the care is given. It just pays the bill under a set of rules.

Medicare is NOT socialism.

The subject is single payer...not medicare.

With Medicare, you have a choice. With Single payer, you do not.

Under Single Payer (like in the UK), every, single doctor is a government employee. So every, single surgery performed is 'owned' by the government as they 'own' the hospital, all the equipment and employee all the nurses, doctors, specialists, staff, paper pushers...everyone. They decide the costs, charges, who pays and when.
And since virtually no other private healthcare is allowed, that means the government has a complete monopoly on almost all medical treatments.

Of course it is socialism.

Jesus Christ. get a ******* education.

Medicare IS single payer.

You are so ******* stupid that you do npo know what single payer is.

LOL...it is you who is clueless on this. And what are you freaking out about? It's just a conversation...get a grip.

'Single-payer healthcare is a type of universal healthcare[1] financed by taxes that covers the costs of essential healthcare for all residents, with costs covered by a single public system (hence 'single-payer').'

Single-payer healthcare - Wikipedia


Medicare is optional. No one HAS to be on it...they can opt for private healthcare instead. And it is insurance...not an entire, medical system (which single-payer is).

Single payer means you have NO OPTIONS. You cannot opt for private healthcare because little/none exists.

In Canada, for example, if you need a pacemaker? A heart bypass? A hip replacement? There is only one place to get it...from the government healthcare. It is illegal in Canada (which has single payer) to have these operations from the private sector. Flat out illegal.

THAT is single payer...you have few/no choices.

And that IS socialism...BY DEFINITION.

Whether you like it or not.

"Single-payer" describes the mechanism by which healthcare is paid for by a single public authority, not the type of delivery or for whom physicians work, which may be public, private, or a mix of both.

You are missing the point. Almost all physicians in Canada are private. But almost all of them can ONLY get their pay from the government AND only at the rates the government says. So, they maybe private, but the government has a near COMPLETE MONOPOLY of where and how much these doctors can charge/make. There is ZERO competition in this respect.

It's like opening a private bowling alley. But the government tells you what to charge for shoe rentals, cost of bowling, food you sell...EVERYTHING. And you are not allowed to ask for one penny more for ANY service the government mandates. This destroys competition and means the ONLY way to make more money is to work more hours. Innovation gets you nothing.

There are almost no private hospitals in Canada. And the one or two there are are strictly for the wealthy and they are doing so against the Canada Health Act so are technically illegal. But, because of huge shortages of doctors/specialists (and because they cater to the rich), the government looks the other way...to a point.

I don't know where you're getting your information about private hospitals in Canada.

I just did a quick search on them and there are many more than two and they aren't just for rich people. Here's the link to that search. Check it out for yourself.

list of private hospitals in canada - Bing

I don't know their fee structure but because you don't seem to have correct facts on their private hospitals I'm inclined to not believe the rest of what you posted about Canadian health care.

I do know I live about 90 minutes south of the Canadian border. I know many people who used to live up there. Every one of them have retained their citizenship up there for one reason only. The health care. Every one of them get duel citizenship for their kids just so their kids are protected by the Canadian health care system. Those are their words, to protect their children with the Canadian health care system. I know many people who only go to Canada for their health care. They don't trust our system that puts profit before the care of the patient.

I have met countless Canadians and have never met or known even one of them who didn't think our system was cruel and barbaric. None of them would ever want to have our system.

I also know that no politician in Canada or any nation that has universal health care ever campaigns on repealing their system for the system we have. No politician would ever be elected in any of those nations if they ran on that platform.

 

[Dana7360]

No it is not socialism. No NO NO NO No No No No No No No.

LOL - I hear you already. Like I said. Call it whatever you want. I oppose it for what it is, not the label attached to it.

So you want a health insurance company's CEO to be in charge of your healthcare.

I'm always baffled that you think this is an argument.

"So you want a politician, and their political lobbying groups, to be in charge of your healthcare?"

The difference between my statement, and your statement, is that mine is actually accurate, while yours is mythology.

I have been to a doctor when I didn't have insurance. I've been to a hospital without insurance.

Both times, I got something called a "bill". I then paid the "bill".

What insurance CEO has control over my health care?

That isn't a valid complaint. People who have insurance, choose to have insurance, because they value the service provided by the insurance company. You don't have to have insurance. You can choose to not have insurance, and just pay the bill yourself.

And quite frankly, if you think government politicians are going to take care of you... you are crazy.

AOC has been caught funneling money to her lover, through corrupt transactions. You think she is going to take care of you?

Reminds me of the MP up in Canada, getting cancer, and flying to the US for care, on tax payer dollars. She's taking care of herself... not the public. While people are dying on 3 year long waiting lists in Canada, she's using their tax dollars to fly to the US to get good care.

Or Castro in Cuba, not using the garbage Cuban health care system, but hiring a private doctor, and flying him and his medical equipment, to personally service Castro alone... while the average Cuban can't even get Aspirin.

You people seem completely detached from reality. You live in this mythical fairy land, where elitist in Washington, who have never worked a full days wage in their life... are going to take care of you?

Please.... if I have to choose, I'll take a CEO who has provided a service to millions of people, over a 1970s socialist mummy who was kicked out of his own commune, because he was too lazy.

Absolutely, I'll take the CEO. You can have your VA Hospital waiting list, and pray the politicians fix your life. We'll see who ends up better off.

Why the Mayo Clinic is refusing to see Medicare patients

I'll go to the Mayo clinic, and get top quality care. You can go to your medicare approved doctor, and we'll see who is better off.

One of my co-workers needed hand surgery, didn't want to pay for it, went through the government, and that doctor screwed up her hand so badly, she never came back to work.

My father who is a career painter and water color artist, had the same surgery though a private doctor, and it was expensive, and now he can paint again.

Yeah, let's see who ends up better off.

VA: Secret waiting list delayed care for 87 veterans in 2017


Good luck with that.

The VA hospitals were government run. Under single payer hospitals are private run.

Got any other stupid excuse?

Medicare is more efficient that insurance companies.

No they are not. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

Canada has virtually no private hospitals.

Ontario - by far the most populated province - has over 13 million people and 492 hospitals. Only two are private...and they are very small at that and are public/private.

Number hospitals Canada by province 2016 | Statistic
Centric Health: One of Ontario's Two Public Private Hospitals | Beaches|Life magazine

No you are not correct.

list of private hospitals in canada - Bing