Kaepernick Rejected...Fellow NFLers Whine

[Pogo]

They gave him a platform and he used it. Peaceful demonstration, kneeling, maybe he was praying.

Lol, ask Tebow about that one.

I don't want to ask Tebow.

Then you know how you treat Christians? You hate us.

Time to keep politics and religion out of sports.

Yeah. Exactly why this asshole is out of a job. The public doesn't like political statements during sports.

Then the public should be up in arms about the Pentagon pimping it in there, shouldn't it.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Dirt bag is rejected by fans and the NFL owners. Hey asshole...should have stood up for our nation which offers the most opportunities and freedoms on earth.
NFL players slam owners in heated meeting for leaving Colin Kaepernick ‘hung out to dry,' report says

I stand with the kneelers.

I bet you do.View attachment 190163
Totally disrespectful.

Either dead or maimed. We use to fight for the rights of American but that ended, now we fight other countries for their oil, gas and mining.

That is the UNDERSTATEMENT of the year.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I served this country for over 20 years and through 4 different war zones. I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Supporting the Constitution means that you support the things that are written in it.

Defending the Constitution means that you understand the concepts written in it, and you will speak out whenever someone is using it wrong.

Free speech is one of those things that is contained in the Constitution. Kaepernick was simply exercising his right to free speech by taking a knee.

The NFL, fans and people who watch are entitled to have their opinion about his actions and voice them if they feel the need.

Kaepernick has a right to do what he did. Even if I don't agree with what he does, he still has the right to do it.

stop telling lies as always that you swore and took an oath to support and defend the constitution,you defend our corrupt government at EVERY chance you POSSIBLY can when they lie to the american people no matter how much they lie and shit on the constitution shill same as Bush troll here does and WRONGwinger.

Hey, just because you don't think I served doesn't change the pension I get or the healthcare the VA gives me. Doesn't change that nice little blue ID card that says I'm retired either.

Like I've told others, your opinion of me means squat to me. All you really are is a bunch of phosphor dots on my computer screen that shows rude posts. If I actually knew or cared about you, then maybe your opinion would matter, but I don't, so it doesn't.

funny how you CLAIM you dont yet your actions show otherwise the fact you dont put me on ignore and take the tiime to reply which proves you a liar as always.LOL

i would normally not waste my time with your sick kind on the governments pay roll who worship our governments corruption all the time if it was not such fun watching you end up with egg on your face and evade facts all the time changing the topic everytime you are cornered and forced to lie for them as always in defeat everytime their lies and corruption is exposed.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Dirt bag is rejected by fans and the NFL owners. Hey asshole...should have stood up for our nation which offers the most opportunities and freedoms on earth.
NFL players slam owners in heated meeting for leaving Colin Kaepernick ‘hung out to dry,' report says

How did he not stand up for the nation?

Wait, wait, wait.... Confederate flag wavers will be considered people who stand up for the nation, but someone who protests at an NFL game isn't.

What the fuck? You people's priorities are severely fucking screwball.

How you Loons keep yourselves so fucking confused about this is absolutely mind blowing....Read my fucking lips for the last time....The U.S. flag to good Americans is an iconic representation of other good Americans, our military men and women, American culture and traditions. When someone disrespects the flag...TO GOOD AMERICANS, they are essentially shitting on all of the aforementioned.
You’re not suppose to get it...piece of shit UnAmericans never do.

piece of shit unamericans? you mean all those criminals in washington and corrupt federal judges and lawyers all over the country and the high command military brass and all these NFL owners who would murder their own MOTHERS if it meant they would become million times richer? THOSE piece of shit unamericans? you are so correct there on that on there for sure,that cant be debated..

Haha...sure...RIGHT. That’s how it goes in that backward shithole of Libtardia...Something like that.
Rich people = BAD
unAmerican piece of shits = GOOD

Thats pretty much what the NFL owners and players think of their fans that go out and watch their games yet the sheep in american keep forking out their bucks to go out there and watch them? unreal.LOL I was like them one time in my younger days but that i at LEAST wised up now that i am a lot older now.too bad many never do. Now that i see how corrupt the NFL really is now,I'll never give them another dime.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I served this country for over 20 years and through 4 different war zones. I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Supporting the Constitution means that you support the things that are written in it.

Defending the Constitution means that you understand the concepts written in it, and you will speak out whenever someone is using it wrong.

Free speech is one of those things that is contained in the Constitution. Kaepernick was simply exercising his right to free speech by taking a knee.

The NFL, fans and people who watch are entitled to have their opinion about his actions and voice them if they feel the need.

Kaepernick has a right to do what he did. Even if I don't agree with what he does, he still has the right to do it.

stop telling lies as always that you swore and took an oath to support and defend the constitution,you defend our corrupt government at EVERY chance you POSSIBLY can when they lie to the american people no matter how much they lie and shit on the constitution shill same as Bush troll here does and WRONGwinger.

I am a 100% Constitutionalist. There are limits on free speech, that includes when you are a corporate employee, which is all NFL players are. Certainly not heroes or role models.

IF you were a 100 % constitutionalist you sure would not be a fan of that mass murderer and traiter asshole you worship in your avatar. you have as much credibility as that sailer shill liar does.LOL

 

[PredFan]

Dirt bag is rejected by fans and the NFL owners. Hey asshole...should have stood up for our nation which offers the most opportunities and freedoms on earth.
NFL players slam owners in heated meeting for leaving Colin Kaepernick ‘hung out to dry,' report says

Is he still around?

Is the NFL still around?

 

[BlackSand]

Correct. My superhumanly superior reflexes, keen ability to see the big picture and anticipate, attention to vehicle maintenance and vast experience do that.

Course, I'm an excellent driver. Yah. Definitely an excellent driver.

I noticed you didn't happen to mention overreaching Progressive policy and the added taxes/fees as a contributing factor ...

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[Pogo]

Correct. My superhumanly superior reflexes, keen ability to see the big picture and anticipate, attention to vehicle maintenance and vast experience do that.

Course, I'm an excellent driver. Yah. Definitely an excellent driver.

I noticed you didn't happen to mention overreaching Progressive policy and the added taxes/fees as a contributing factor ...

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Progressive doesn't tack on any 'added taxes/fees'. Flo hooks me up.

That's because I know how to treat a lady in a lab coat.

 

[ABikerSailor]

DO YOUR JOB!

Live like the rest of us do. Just because he's a Democrat Snowflake and athlete, does't mean he's special. He can do his political protesting on his own personal time. If he can't do that, he doesn't deserve a job in the NFL. Period, end of story.

You know, the reason he was able to get a job with an NFL team is because he IS "special". Are you capable of running as fast and throwing a football as well as him? Are you capable of the physical fitness that is required to do his job?

If you were, you would be in the NFL. Many people want to play for a professional football team, but the problem is, not many are capable of the physical fitness requirements.

Kaepernick earned his place in the NFL. Too bad that some of you idiots are incapable of seeing that, as well as too bad that you don't understand what the First Amendment stands for.

 

[Correll]

Standing "at attention" is a customary practice that is intended to indicate the players' love of country, patriotism, respect for the country's institutions (national anthem and flag).

CK chose to conspicuously decline to stand "at attention" during the playing of the Anthem because he felt he could not display "love" of country "as long as" Blacks - especially young Black men - remain the targets of a homicidal campaign by the national constabulary.

(a). He is entitled to his opinion, and if the First Amendment means anything, it means you can criticize the government without being criminally prosecuted for it. So no government instrumentality, acting in its official capacity, may prosecute CK for his opinion or the expression thereof, regardless of how unpopular it may be.

(b). His employer is a private business. His employer may take action against him if his public conduct is offensive to the customer base, unless such action is prohibited by his contract. But in this case, his employer TOOK NO ACTION AGAINST HIM. HE CHOSE to opt out of the remain years of his contract.

(c). Prospective employers may not discriminate against him for his membership in legally protected classes, to wit, race, gender, ethnicity, religion, and so on. The protected classes are determined by local law. But nobody is discriminating against him because of his race, whatever that may be. They are discriminating against him because to hire him would be to invite the ire of a large percentage of the customer base.

(d). Clearly, he is the victim of discrimination. He is a more talented, and more accomplished football player than many others who have found jobs in the league. But not all discrimination is illegal or inappropriate. An NFL team could, for example discriminate against a quarterback if they conclude that he is not intelligent enough to do the job. No problem.

CK COULD, if he chose to, make a public statement that he will no longer express his political or quasi-political views in the context of his employment (when playing for or representing the team). HE COULD make a public statement that he has analyzed the relevant data and concluded that there is no statistical evidence to indicate that America's constabulary is killing Black people is disproportionate numbers, hence his protests will not be repeated.

In short, like the reporter who is jailed for contempt because he won't reveal his Source, he holds the keys to his own jail cell. If he won't use them, fuck him. He deserves what he gets.

You could have put all that into a single word --- "uppity".

Not really.

 

[BlueGin]

Lol, ask Tebow about that one.

I don't want to ask Tebow.

Then you know how you treat Christians? You hate us.

Time to keep politics and religion out of sports.

Yeah. Exactly why this asshole is out of a job. The public doesn't like political statements during sports.

Once AGAIN it's not 'during sports" at all. There is nothing in a football (baseball, soccer etc etc) game that requires or even suggests anybody's national anthem, NOR is it done during any game, which begins at the kickoff (or first pitch etc). And when NFL does it it's not even part of the broadcast, nor should it be. Which means nobody even sees any of this unless they happen to be at the game and happen to be looking around for something to whine about. The vast majority watching on some electronic device didn't even know football players were out there for a national anthem, which has only been going on less than a decade anyway.

In other words these are robots playing the "I'm offended" game only because the System ordered them to do that, and it never occurred to them to say, "yeah? Why?".

And that is mind control.

It's part of the opening of the game. Fans who paid to see the game are in the stadium for said game ( a captive audience). To imply that it's not part of "the game" is dishonest semantics.

 

[Pogo]

I don't want to ask Tebow.

Then you know how you treat Christians? You hate us.

Time to keep politics and religion out of sports.

Yeah. Exactly why this asshole is out of a job. The public doesn't like political statements during sports.

Once AGAIN it's not 'during sports" at all. There is nothing in a football (baseball, soccer etc etc) game that requires or even suggests anybody's national anthem, NOR is it done during any game, which begins at the kickoff (or first pitch etc). And when NFL does it it's not even part of the broadcast, nor should it be. Which means nobody even sees any of this unless they happen to be at the game and happen to be looking around for something to whine about. The vast majority watching on some electronic device didn't even know football players were out there for a national anthem, which has only been going on less than a decade anyway.

In other words these are robots playing the "I'm offended" game only because the System ordered them to do that, and it never occurred to them to say, "yeah? Why?".

And that is mind control.

It's part of the opening of the game. Fans who paid to see the game are in the stadium for said game ( a captive audience). To imply that it's not part of "the game" is dishonest semantics.

No dear. It isn't. The game begins with the kickoff. PERIOD.

I played football (and baseball) all through my youth and not one had a frickin' national anthem in it. And guess what --- they all counted.

What's going on here is a jingoistic charade for zombies.

The baseball iteration is the most ironic, where a stadium full of zombies obediently go through the motions and then sit down to watch a field of players from Panama and Mexico and Cuba and Venezuela and Japan and Korea and Australia and Curaçao and Colombia and Taiwan and the DR and Canada, eh?

 

[Montrovant]

Then you know how you treat Christians? You hate us.

Time to keep politics and religion out of sports.

Yeah. Exactly why this asshole is out of a job. The public doesn't like political statements during sports.

Once AGAIN it's not 'during sports" at all. There is nothing in a football (baseball, soccer etc etc) game that requires or even suggests anybody's national anthem, NOR is it done during any game, which begins at the kickoff (or first pitch etc). And when NFL does it it's not even part of the broadcast, nor should it be. Which means nobody even sees any of this unless they happen to be at the game and happen to be looking around for something to whine about. The vast majority watching on some electronic device didn't even know football players were out there for a national anthem, which has only been going on less than a decade anyway.

In other words these are robots playing the "I'm offended" game only because the System ordered them to do that, and it never occurred to them to say, "yeah? Why?".

And that is mind control.

It's part of the opening of the game. Fans who paid to see the game are in the stadium for said game ( a captive audience). To imply that it's not part of "the game" is dishonest semantics.

No dear. It isn't. The game begins with the kickoff. PERIOD.

I played football (and baseball) all through my youth and not one had a frickin' national anthem in it. And guess what --- they all counted.

What's going on here is a jingoistic charade for zombies.

The baseball iteration is the most ironic, where a stadium full of zombies obediently go through the motions and then sit down to watch a field of players from Panama and Mexico and Cuba and Venezuela and Japan and Korea and Australia and Curaçao and Colombia and Taiwan and the DR and Canada, eh?

And your youth games were the same as the NFL?

Look, outside of the issue of kneeling players, this idea that the players are only on the job from the start of play until the final whistle is ridiculous. I am confident that no NFL player has a contract stipulating that they are only employees during game time. When an NFL player is on the field wearing their team's uniform, they are doing so as employees of the NFL. Kaepernick was kneeling while at work.

The anthem may not be during the game, but it is part of the overall package of an NFL game.

I don't care about kneeling players. They can kneel or not during the anthem. I don't watch the games to get their personal political or social views. That said, if the NFL wants to require players to stand during the anthem at games, they can do so.

There may not currently be a rule requiring players to stand, but there is a guideline saying they should stand.

If the NFL owners got together and decided as a group not to hire Kaepernick, they deserve to be punished for that. If he isn't being hired because of the negative publicity surrounding him, and it isn't because of any sort of hidden group decision to blackball him, that's just a consequence of his own actions.

I find the tradition of playing the national anthem during sporting events a very odd one. They seem like very unconnected events. That doesn't mean Kaepernick (or any other player) can kneel during the anthem at games without any consequences. If Aaron Rodgers knelt during the anthem, would he have a job? Absolutely. Kaepernick was not a good enough QB to get away with rocking the boat the way he did.

 

[BlackSand]

Progressive doesn't tack on any 'added taxes/fees'. Flo hooks me up.

That's because I know how to treat a lady in a lab coat.

So you bought a car, registered it and didn't pay tax, title and license ...

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[BlueGin]

Then you know how you treat Christians? You hate us.

Time to keep politics and religion out of sports.

Yeah. Exactly why this asshole is out of a job. The public doesn't like political statements during sports.

Once AGAIN it's not 'during sports" at all. There is nothing in a football (baseball, soccer etc etc) game that requires or even suggests anybody's national anthem, NOR is it done during any game, which begins at the kickoff (or first pitch etc). And when NFL does it it's not even part of the broadcast, nor should it be. Which means nobody even sees any of this unless they happen to be at the game and happen to be looking around for something to whine about. The vast majority watching on some electronic device didn't even know football players were out there for a national anthem, which has only been going on less than a decade anyway.

In other words these are robots playing the "I'm offended" game only because the System ordered them to do that, and it never occurred to them to say, "yeah? Why?".

And that is mind control.

It's part of the opening of the game. Fans who paid to see the game are in the stadium for said game ( a captive audience). To imply that it's not part of "the game" is dishonest semantics.

No dear. It isn't. The game begins with the kickoff. PERIOD.

I played football (and baseball) all through my youth and not one had a frickin' national anthem in it. And guess what --- they all counted.

What's going on here is a jingoistic charade for zombies.

The baseball iteration is the most ironic, where a stadium full of zombies obediently go through the motions and then sit down to watch a field of players from Panama and Mexico and Cuba and Venezuela and Japan and Korea and Australia and Curaçao and Colombia and Taiwan and the DR and Canada, eh?

Sorry Pogo but you are wrong. If you are employed by the NFL and under contract you are on the job the second you sign on the dotted line and especially while in uniform.

 

[jillian]

Dirt bag is rejected by fans and the NFL owners. Hey asshole...should have stood up for our nation which offers the most opportunities and freedoms on earth.
NFL players slam owners in heated meeting for leaving Colin Kaepernick ‘hung out to dry,' report says

oh nooooo! how dare someone stand up against unarmed young men being shot for no reason.

you people are so disgusting.

 

[Correll]

Dirt bag is rejected by fans and the NFL owners. Hey asshole...should have stood up for our nation which offers the most opportunities and freedoms on earth.
NFL players slam owners in heated meeting for leaving Colin Kaepernick ‘hung out to dry,' report says

oh nooooo! how dare someone stand up against unarmed young men being shot for no reason.

you people are so disgusting.

He disrespected the Flag and the nation is stood for, and all it's citizens.


And the fans, who are mostly citizens, did not like it.


Truly, imo, the owners are just as much fuckos as he is, because they pandered to this anti-American shit, until it started to hurt their bottom line.

 

[Dschrute3]

DO YOUR JOB!

Live like the rest of us do. Just because he's a Democrat Snowflake and athlete, does't mean he's special. He can do his political protesting on his own personal time. If he can't do that, he doesn't deserve a job in the NFL. Period, end of story.

You know, the reason he was able to get a job with an NFL team is because he IS "special". Are you capable of running as fast and throwing a football as well as him? Are you capable of the physical fitness that is required to do his job?

If you were, you would be in the NFL. Many people want to play for a professional football team, but the problem is, not many are capable of the physical fitness requirements.

Kaepernick earned his place in the NFL. Too bad that some of you idiots are incapable of seeing that, as well as too bad that you don't understand what the First Amendment stands for.

He's his own biggest problem. He's immature and unprofessional. It's why he could never advance his game to the next level. And no, just because he's a Democrat Snowflake and athlete, doesn't mean he's better than you and me.

At best, the kid is now a bench warmer. But i can understand why teams don't wanna bring him in. Why bring a whiny Snowflake in as a backup QB? They can find numerous QB's to fill that position. Football is a business. They don't want immature unprofessional folks. Why pay someone to be a problem? I'm fine with protesting, just do it on your own personal time. When you're at work, just do your job. Period, end of story.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I wish ALL professional athletes in ALL pro sports would start kneeling. as long as we have a corrupt evil government on our hands there is no way in hell I will ever salute the flag because when you do so you are saluting a corrupt government that is WHY when they do play the national anthem at sports,.i head for the restroom.

I am not going to salute some propaganda lie bullshit song the land of the free when the FACTS are it is the land of the OPPRESSED with everything that was taught to us in history classes to be an outright LIE that we were indoctrinated with.

 

[Pogo]

Time to keep politics and religion out of sports.

Yeah. Exactly why this asshole is out of a job. The public doesn't like political statements during sports.

Once AGAIN it's not 'during sports" at all. There is nothing in a football (baseball, soccer etc etc) game that requires or even suggests anybody's national anthem, NOR is it done during any game, which begins at the kickoff (or first pitch etc). And when NFL does it it's not even part of the broadcast, nor should it be. Which means nobody even sees any of this unless they happen to be at the game and happen to be looking around for something to whine about. The vast majority watching on some electronic device didn't even know football players were out there for a national anthem, which has only been going on less than a decade anyway.

In other words these are robots playing the "I'm offended" game only because the System ordered them to do that, and it never occurred to them to say, "yeah? Why?".

And that is mind control.

It's part of the opening of the game. Fans who paid to see the game are in the stadium for said game ( a captive audience). To imply that it's not part of "the game" is dishonest semantics.

No dear. It isn't. The game begins with the kickoff. PERIOD.

I played football (and baseball) all through my youth and not one had a frickin' national anthem in it. And guess what --- they all counted.

What's going on here is a jingoistic charade for zombies.

The baseball iteration is the most ironic, where a stadium full of zombies obediently go through the motions and then sit down to watch a field of players from Panama and Mexico and Cuba and Venezuela and Japan and Korea and Australia and Curaçao and Colombia and Taiwan and the DR and Canada, eh?

And your youth games were the same as the NFL?

Same game, yup. So were the other sports. Underlining the point that NOWHERE is it necessary to play any national anthem in order to play a game of football (baseball, basketball, etc). It is not part of the game. It's not in any way related. And I'm refuting those klowns here who want to pretend that it is.

Matter of fact you're about to agree that it's irrelevant later in this post. And you'll be right.

Why don't we have to wait through a national anthem when we go to a music concert? A movie? A play? The grocery store? It would be equally irrelevant and make the same amount of sense, i.e. Zero. But then again the concert halls and theaters and grocery stores haven't been pimped out by the Pentagon to put on charades, have they.

Look, outside of the issue of kneeling players, this idea that the players are only on the job from the start of play until the final whistle is ridiculous. I am confident that no NFL player has a contract stipulating that they are only employees during game time. When an NFL player is on the field wearing their team's uniform, they are doing so as employees of the NFL. Kaepernick was kneeling while at work.

Again, NFL players are contractors, not 'employees'. And of course the requirements of that contract require much more than the 60 minutes of play --- practice squads and workouts, suiting up, travel, etc. But nobody is contracted to be a marionette for a Pentagon-pimped fake-patriotism display. It's got (again) Zero to do with the game, with practicing for the game, with travelling to the game, or any other aspect of it.

The anthem may not be during the game, but it is part of the overall package of an NFL game.

That's the league's problem. They let it happen in the first place, and now they've got to deal with the consequences. And again players weren't even ON the field during it, until less than a decade ago. And again again, nobody who hadn't been personally TO an NFL game would have even known it was done at all, since it's also not part of the telecasts, so now we've got the naked hypocrisy of fake-outrage about fake-patriotism being obediently droned by the unwashed who were ordered to play the part, and fall all over themselves to Obey. Which is disgusting.

I don't care about kneeling players. They can kneel or not during the anthem. I don't watch the games to get their personal political or social views. That said, if the NFL wants to require players to stand during the anthem at games, they can do so.

And yet, they don't.

I don't care about sitting/kneeling players (or fans or anybody) either. They, and I, will do what we want. But I'm not going to sit here and pretend to be outraged because some media hack(s) and some political demagogue(s) demand I do without giving any good reason.

There may not currently be a rule requiring players to stand, but there is a guideline saying they should stand.

If the NFL owners got together and decided as a group not to hire Kaepernick, they deserve to be punished for that. If he isn't being hired because of the negative publicity surrounding him, and it isn't because of any sort of hidden group decision to blackball him, that's just a consequence of his own actions.

I believe he's got a lawsuit making that case. I don't know what its status is but that's NFL business, not mine. As for the "negative publicity", it matters whether that "negative publicity" is real or fake. Just as the Pentagon-pimped fake displays matter. It's imperative to pick out the real from contrived demagoguery. Fakery is fakery.

That's why I keep railing on these klowns to explain the "reasoning" behind the fake outrage. They can't do it --- ergo fake.

I find the tradition of playing the national anthem during sporting events a very odd one. They seem like very unconnected events. That doesn't mean Kaepernick (or any other player) can kneel during the anthem at games without any consequences.

Actually it does mean that. Or more correctly it does NOT mean he can't.

And again Kaepernick was already sitting out the anthem for several games before anyone noticed and tried to milk a fake-outrage "story" out of t. And those games somehow went on like any other game. Nobody got into this fake-outrage play-acting until they were TOLD to.

Again, I've been to many a baseball game and have never once stood for a national anthem. Nobody tried to milk a story out of me, nobody declined to sell me a ticket to another game --- matter of fact, nobody ever said or did a damn thing. Which is as it should be.

It is indeed an odd thing to do assuming the event is not at the Olympics where it might make more sense. It dates from a time of gross national mob mentality hysteria (1918) --- exactly the same year that another mob demanded that one Earnest Starr bend down and kiss the flag. When he refused HE --- not the mob, but the mob's target --- was arrested and sentenced to 10-20 years hard labor ----- for refusing to go along with the mob. That mob was charged with..... nothing. And THAT is the lesson here, because that's where blind robotic obsequious zombified mob mentality leads.

I find it quite significant that the idea of attaching the national anthem to a sports event (read: a large gathering of a captive audience) happened at the same time people were getting arrested for "sedition" and hard labor for refusing a mob's demands. And that in the next year more people were getting deported for their political beliefs in the infamous Palmer Raids. That's all related. What we really should be doing during a national anthem at a sporting event is waving flags with Earnest Starr's picture on them, with the caption "Never Again" -- and observe the real significance of what's going on.

If Aaron Rodgers knelt during the anthem, would he have a job?

He should. And maybe he does, or maybe somebody else does or did, but we just didn't have a hack reporter trying to milk fake-outrage out of it.

Absolutely. Kaepernick was not a good enough QB to get away with rocking the boat the way he did.

His skills or lack thereof are still in no way related to whether he has a right to decline to play the part of marionette.

Herein lies the irony ---- the fake-outrage dolts are bemoaning the fact that here in an exercise of mob mentality coercion, here's a guy who declines to play it, and their objection is on the basis that mob mentality coercion is a "good thing". Because, again, they've been told it is and they can't lift a synapse to think for themselves. So they bleat the Establishment line, all together --- an obedient mob who love them some coercion, as long as it means taking orders without being given a good reason to take them.