Just curious why do you hate illegals getting healthcare or food and shelter?

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No offense and im not judging you Just ask
But why do you hate illegals getting healthcare?
I think all humans should get enough food shelter healthcare but i can understand that americans are left out and the illegals suck up the resources which should be for americans i just think if it were possible that everyone gets it they should but probably its not possible
 
This is "my" personal stance.
I have worked my ass of for every dollar, which includes those tax dollars that the government takes from me. Locally, I want that money to go for streets, fire, police, schools and the other state and local services that would benefit "me" and the "citizens" that live here. To allow in literally millions of illegal migrants, means we must be taxed even more by the state and local areas to accommodate them sucking it up. My federal taxes which again, I worked to pay for, must go to the basics, the general running of the nation. Period. To look the other way when millions of migrants poor in would put a strain on the federal government's resources, necessitating higher taxes, meaning more out of my pocket. I am NOT rich. I struggle and they can't have one more damn dollar out of my taxes to pay for some slob that can't get together with others in his own nation to solve the problems there, so they don't flood in here. When we were living under tyranny here, we force the tyrannical government (England) out. We didn't rush off to another land. They need to fix their own.
 
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Basically they thieves who are looting the paychecks of the taxpayers.
BTW, would your country allow 20+ million people to illegally enter your country?
 
No offense and im not judging you Just ask
But why do you hate illegals getting healthcare?
I think all humans should get enough food shelter healthcare but i can understand that americans are left out and the illegals suck up the resources which should be for americans i just think if it were possible that everyone gets it they should but probably its not possible
Really mort
 
No offense and im not judging you Just ask
But why do you hate illegals getting healthcare?
I think all humans should get enough food shelter healthcare but i can understand that americans are left out and the illegals suck up the resources which should be for americans i just think if it were possible that everyone gets it they should but probably its not possible
Because it costs us taxpayers a fortune.

I would rather spend that money on AMERICAN citizens in need.
 
Because it costs us taxpayers a fortune.

I would rather spend that money on AMERICAN citizens in need.
A fortune all right. It's a disgrace that the richest country in the world has to spend a tiny part of its budget treating its most exploited workers. They should just die in the fields.

According to recent Medicaid data, in 2016 the federal government spent $974 million in total on emergency and lifesaving services for undocumented immigrants, representing 0.2% of Medicaid expenditures (approximately $565 billion in 2016) and 0.03% of total national health expenditures that year (approximately $3.3 trillion in 2016). This expenditure includes payments to hospitals, physicians, and ambulance providers for a proportion of their unreimbursed costs associated with providing emergency services under EMTALA to undocumented immigrants.
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Discussions of immigrants and public benefits often overlook the significant tax contributions made by undocumented immigrants. According to research conducted by New American Economy, in 2018 undocumented immigrants contributed $20.1 billion in federal taxes and $11.8 billion in state and local taxes.
The tax contributions of undocumented immigrants are critical to the viability of public health programs like Medicare and Medicaid. Between 2000 and 2011, undocumented immigrants generated a $35.1 billion surplus in the Medicare Trust Fund. States that expend the most in emergency medical care for undocumented immigrants (California, Texas, and New York) all also receive over $1 billion in state and local tax contributions from undocumented immigrants each year.
 
A fortune all right. It's a disgrace that the richest country in the world has to spend a tiny part of its budget treating its most exploited workers. They should just die in the fields.

According to recent Medicaid data, in 2016 the federal government spent $974 million in total on emergency and lifesaving services for undocumented immigrants, representing 0.2% of Medicaid expenditures (approximately $565 billion in 2016) and 0.03% of total national health expenditures that year (approximately $3.3 trillion in 2016). This expenditure includes payments to hospitals, physicians, and ambulance providers for a proportion of their unreimbursed costs associated with providing emergency services under EMTALA to undocumented immigrants.
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Discussions of immigrants and public benefits often overlook the significant tax contributions made by undocumented immigrants. According to research conducted by New American Economy, in 2018 undocumented immigrants contributed $20.1 billion in federal taxes and $11.8 billion in state and local taxes.
The tax contributions of undocumented immigrants are critical to the viability of public health programs like Medicare and Medicaid. Between 2000 and 2011, undocumented immigrants generated a $35.1 billion surplus in the Medicare Trust Fund. States that expend the most in emergency medical care for undocumented immigrants (California, Texas, and New York) all also receive over $1 billion in state and local tax contributions from undocumented immigrants each year.
Still pushing for your slave labor I see.

You people never change.
 
No offense and im not judging you Just ask
But why do you hate illegals getting healthcare?
I think all humans should get enough food shelter healthcare but i can understand that americans are left out and the illegals suck up the resources which should be for americans i just think if it were possible that everyone gets it they should but probably its not possible
They can get if they go back where they came from. Americans should not reward criminals. Democrats need illegals to increase the census so they dont lose seats in the house. They bribe illegals with free benefits. You think taxpayers should pay for that?
 
A fortune all right. It's a disgrace that the richest country in the world has to spend a tiny part of its budget treating its most exploited workers. They should just die in the fields.

According to recent Medicaid data, in 2016 the federal government spent $974 million in total on emergency and lifesaving services for undocumented immigrants, representing 0.2% of Medicaid expenditures (approximately $565 billion in 2016) and 0.03% of total national health expenditures that year (approximately $3.3 trillion in 2016). This expenditure includes payments to hospitals, physicians, and ambulance providers for a proportion of their unreimbursed costs associated with providing emergency services under EMTALA to undocumented immigrants.
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Discussions of immigrants and public benefits often overlook the significant tax contributions made by undocumented immigrants. According to research conducted by New American Economy, in 2018 undocumented immigrants contributed $20.1 billion in federal taxes and $11.8 billion in state and local taxes.
The tax contributions of undocumented immigrants are critical to the viability of public health programs like Medicare and Medicaid. Between 2000 and 2011, undocumented immigrants generated a $35.1 billion surplus in the Medicare Trust Fund. States that expend the most in emergency medical care for undocumented immigrants (California, Texas, and New York) all also receive over $1 billion in state and local tax contributions from undocumented immigrants each year.
Illegals cost us 80 billion a year and they send 60 billion out of the country. We lose money on them not including the crime they create. They lower wages for Americans there is nothing good about illegals
 
Illegals cost us 80 billion a year and they send 60 billion out of the country. We lose money on them not including the crime they create. They lower wages for Americans there is nothing good about illegals

But they generate far more value than they cost, that's the thing.


In 2022 America’s 10.9 million undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in taxes.

  • That included $19.5 billion in federal income taxes and $32.3 billion in federal payroll taxes.
  • On a state and local level, undocumented immigrants contribute $37.3 billion in taxes, and in 40 of 50 states, they pay a higher effective state/local tax rate than the top 1% of households. The top 1% of highest-income households paid an average effective state/local tax of 7.2% in 2023, while the average undocumented immigrant paid a 10.1% effective tax rate to state/local governments.
  • It is estimated that $40 to $137 billion of additional revenue could be generated each year if these people were granted work authorization. This is because a less exploitable workforce would be paid higher wages (thus pay more taxes) and tax compliance by both employers and employees would increase.
This doesn't include the value of the labor they perform.

Like relatively inexpensive produce? you can thank an illegal.
 
No offense and im not judging you Just ask
But why do you hate illegals getting healthcare?
I think all humans should get enough food shelter healthcare but i can understand that americans are left out and the illegals suck up the resources which should be for americans i just think if it were possible that everyone gets it they should but probably its not possible

Subsidizing bad behavior gets you more of that bad behavior.
 
But they generate far more value than they cost, that's the thing.


In 2022 America’s 10.9 million undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in taxes.

  • That included $19.5 billion in federal income taxes and $32.3 billion in federal payroll taxes.
  • On a state and local level, undocumented immigrants contribute $37.3 billion in taxes, and in 40 of 50 states, they pay a higher effective state/local tax rate than the top 1% of households. The top 1% of highest-income households paid an average effective state/local tax of 7.2% in 2023, while the average undocumented immigrant paid a 10.1% effective tax rate to state/local governments.
  • It is estimated that $40 to $137 billion of additional revenue could be generated each year if these people were granted work authorization. This is because a less exploitable workforce would be paid higher wages (thus pay more taxes) and tax compliance by both employers and employees would increase.
This doesn't include the value of the labor they perform.

Like relatively inexpensive produce? you can thank an illegal.
They generate zero value they are a liability and threat to innocent people. The only value they have is to prop up the census and replace millions who fled democrat cities resulting in a loss of 12 seats in the house.
They lower wages send billions out of the country, increase crime, are all criminals and so far 2.6 million have been kicked out. Soon they will all be gone
 
They generate zero value they are a liability and threat to innocent people. The only value they have is to prop up the census and replace millions who fled democrat cities resulting in a loss of 12 seats in the house.
They lower wages send billions out of the country, increase crime, are all criminals and so far 2.6 million have been kicked out. Soon they will all be gone

Naw, guy, at the current rate, it would take 30 years to send them all home.

And that assumes they don't just figure new ways to get in, which of course, they will.

Undocumented immigrants make up 5.2% of the workforce. Approximately 18% of the workforce consists of foreign-born workers.


 
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Naw, guy, at the current rate, it would take 30 years to send them all home.

And that assumes they don't just figure new ways to get in, which of course, they will.

Undocumented immigrants make up 5.2% of the workforce. Approximately 18% of the workforce consists of foreign-born workers.


In 9 months 2.6 million have been kicked out. 2 million self deported. A t that rate they will all be gone long before the 2030 census. They cant work, rent own, a home, get benefits we can starve them out.
 
In 9 months 2.6 million have been kicked out. 2 million self deported. A t that rate they will all be gone long before the 2030 census. They cant work, rent own, a home, get benefits we can starve them out.

So you are making up numbers on the self-deported ( I doubt that's even really a thing, beyond immigrants regularly coming in and returning home)


Actual deportations are less than 20K a month. So at that rate, you might get rid of them all by, oh, 2050.

Or not. People are already tiring of Masked ICE Jackboots harassing people in their communities.
 
No offense and im not judging you Just ask
But why do you hate illegals getting healthcare?
I think all humans should get enough food shelter healthcare but i can understand that americans are left out and the illegals suck up the resources which should be for americans i just think if it were possible that everyone gets it they should but probably its not possible
There are a lot of American citizens that can't get decent health care, so shouldn't they get the care they need first? That is why a health care CEO was assassinated by another Left wing loon. But did anyone ever tell the Left wing loons that Medicare and Medicaid turn down more people for health care than private companies? No, which is why they are not getting shot at.

However, if you are an illegal or want an abortion or want a sex change, why does the US Federal government bend over backwards to pay for it, but if you are an American citizen that needs that triple bypass surgery, you may not be able to afford it?
 
Illegals cost us 80 billion a year and they send 60 billion out of the country. We lose money on them not including the crime they create. They lower wages for Americans there is nothing good about illegals
Where do you get your numbers, a dart board? First, I would argue illegals don't cost us shit, they are a net positive, and most studies come to that conclusion. But second, those remittances, you are way off. It is far more than 60 billion. But how is that a bad thing? It is a big component of our fight against inflation, maybe more important than the FED.

Those remittances don't hurt the US, or you for that matter, they help. What those remittances can, and sometimes have done, is destabilize the country of those receiving the money.

We have already discussed the crime element of your cost, and it is a non-issue. As immigration, both legal and illegal, increases, crime rates decrease, in almost every category. And no, they don't lower the wages for Americans. In almost every empirical study, they make Americans more productive, more efficient, and actually enhance compensation.
 

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