Just curious why do you hate illegals getting healthcare or food and shelter?

[Seymour Flops]

Your fantasies are not true statements.

What I say factually is fact.

Undocumented immigrants aren't slaves.

Many of them are in debt bondage to the cartels, especially the ones who crossed during the four years that the Autopen Administration allowed the cartels to control the border.

Wow, more Fantasies.

Facts.

 

[JoeB131]

I’m all for them getting healthcare…..in their own countries.

Our system is being sucked dry by illegals and it’s the reason healthcare is so insanely expensive now, because we all have to foot the bill to cover for illegals’ “free healthcare”.

Oh, bullshit. Healthcare has been insanely expensive for decades, because it's being run at a profit by greedy corporations.

 

[JoeB131]

Many of them are in debt bondage to the cartels, especially the ones who crossed during the four years that the Autopen Administration allowed the cartels to control the border.

Again, your fantasies are amusing, but boring. Go read some comic books.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Oh, bullshit. Healthcare has been insanely expensive for decades, because it's being run at a profit by greedy corporations.


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Correct. Obama's solution was to make sure that insurance companies could be just as greedy as Kelsey Seybold, at taxpayer expense.

 

[JoeB131]

Correct. Obama's solution was to make sure that insurance companies could be just as greedy as Kelsey Seybold, at taxpayer expense.

except, no, not really.

The one thing he did was prevent them from declaring everything a "Pre-Existing Condition". He created exchanges and expanded medicaid.

And again, simple solution- public option and medicare buy in, were the ones Republicans were tooth and nail against. (Even though they were fine with these things with RomneyCare.)

 

[theHawk]

Oh, bullshit. Healthcare has been insanely expensive for decades, because it's being run at a profit by greedy corporations.

It’s been insanely expensive because illegals have been exploiting our hospitals for decades.

I remember hospitals being shutdown in the 90’s because they went bankrupt from all the illegals constantly showing up that they weren’t allowed to turn away.

The hospitals since then have simply adapted by passing on the costs to the rest of us.

 

[Maxdeath]

Your fantasies are not true statements.

Undocumented immigrants aren't slaves.


Wow, more Fantasies.

So what exactly is your definition of a slave?
Someone you pay for their housing and food and clothing and medical needs?
Someone who you pay cheap wages to that have to supply their own food, housing and clothing?
If you see some differences in the two let us know, because I have always heard democrats complaining Americans are not getting a living wage. So if illegals are being paid under that of Americans then by definition they are not getting even close to a living wage.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Really mort

Life's leeches can't see a problem

 

[Seymour Flops]

So what exactly is your definition of a slave?
Someone you pay for their housing and food and clothing and medical needs?
Someone who you pay cheap wages to that have to supply their own food, housing and clothing?
If you see some differences in the two let us know, because I have always heard democrats complaining Americans are not getting a living wage. So if illegals are being paid under that of Americans then by definition they are not getting even close to a living wage.

How insane is it that they want McD's cashiers to make $20.00 per hour for tapping pictures of a cheeseburger and a shake, but they want skilled meatcutters to make $5 with no benefits to keep pot roast prices down, even though they think we should all be eating tofurkey this Christmas Winter Solstice.

 

[Foxfyre]

No offense and im not judging you Just ask
But why do you hate illegals getting healthcare?
I think all humans should get enough food shelter healthcare but i can understand that americans are left out and the illegals suck up the resources which should be for americans i just think if it were possible that everyone gets it they should but probably its not possible

I have no objection to anybody getting healthcare, food, shelter and you are welcome to take in all the poor, greedy, opportunistic etc. of the world and provide them with whatever you can afford to give them.

But I highly resent being told that is my responsibility. I want the complete right to decide for myself what organizations, groups, persons merit my charity.

He who robs Peter to give to Paul will always have the support of Paul but sooner or later Peter will have nothing left to confiscate and will have nothing left to give either forcibly or voluntarily.

 

[Foxfyre]

Because it costs us taxpayers a fortune.

I would rather spend that money on AMERICAN citizens in need.

As individuals, as a people, as a nation we should not encourage dependency in our own citizens and certainly not in people of the world.

Confiscate all the wealth of all the rich and there will be no one to hire or give to the poor.

Common sense has to figure into the equation at some point, or pretty soon all we have is need and nobody left to alleviate it. We don't help anybody by encouraging them to be needy.

I am reminded of the girl in an ultra liberal family who addressed her conservative neighbor. "I think it is our duty to help the homeless and Republicans don't. Her parents beamed.

The neighbor nodded and said, "Okay, you're right. I'll make you a deal. You can wash my dishes, clean out the flower bed, take out the trash and rake my leaves and I'll pay you $50 to go give to the homeless."

The girl thought about it for a moment and then said, "Why don't the homeless wash your dishes, clean out of the flower bed, take out the trash and rake your leaves and you give them the $50?"

The man smiled. "Welcome to the Republican party."

The girl's parents still aren't speaking to him.

 

[Moonglow]

No offense and im not judging you Just ask
But why do you hate illegals getting healthcare?
I think all humans should get enough food shelter healthcare but i can understand that americans are left out and the illegals suck up the resources which should be for americans i just think if it were possible that everyone gets it they should but probably its not possible

Their God told them to hate people.

 

[Moonglow]

I have no objection to anybody getting healthcare, food, shelter and you are welcome to take in all the poor, greedy, opportunistic etc. of the world and provide them with whatever you can afford to give them.

But I highly resent being told that is my responsibility. I want the complete right to decide for myself what organizations, groups, persons merit my charity.

He who robs Peter to give to Paul will always have the support of Paul but sooner or later Peter will have nothing left to confiscate and will have nothing left to give either forcibly or voluntarily.

The New Testament apostle Paul did not explicitly say "love everyone" but taught about loving others by being selfless, putting their interests ahead of your own, and acting with love in all things. For example, he instructed believers to count others more significant than themselves and look out for their interests, and to let all that they do be done in love.

• Humility and selflessness:
  Paul taught in Philippians 2:3-4 to "do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others".
  
  
• Love as the foundation for all actions:
  He famously wrote in 1 Corinthians 16:14, "Let all that you do be done in love".
  
  
• Love that endures:
  In 1 Corinthians 13, he described love as patient, kind, and enduring, stating it "bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things".
  
  
• Acceptance of others:
  Paul also addressed the importance of accepting one another, reminding believers that God has welcomed them all and that they will all stand before God's judgment seat.

 

[Moonglow]

The phrase "love everyone" likely stems from passages in the Bible attributed to Peter, particularly in his first letter where he encourages fervent love for one another. While the Bible contains many verses on love, Peter specifically highlights the importance of this love, stating, "Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins". This is often interpreted as a call for selfless, deep, and constant love within a community and as a way to show God's love to the world.

• Priority of love:
  The phrase "above all" emphasizes that love is the most important virtue.
  
  
• Depth of love:
  The call to "love each other deeply" or "fervently" encourages a sincere and genuine love that goes beyond superficial interactions.
  
  
• Action of love:
  This love is to be expressed through acts of service and support for one another within the community.
  
  
• Purpose of love:
  Love is presented as a way to cover over a multitude of sins, suggesting it has the power to forgive and reconcile.
  
  
• Context:
  The letter of 1 Peter was written to Christians facing persecution, and this emphasis on love was meant to strengthen their community and demonstrate God's love to others.

 

[Foxfyre]

The New Testament apostle Paul did not explicitly say "love everyone" but taught about loving others by being selfless, putting their interests ahead of your own, and acting with love in all things. For example, he instructed believers to count others more significant than themselves and look out for their interests, and to let all that they do be done in love.

• Humility and selflessness:
  Paul taught in Philippians 2:3-4 to "do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others".
  
  
• Love as the foundation for all actions:
  He famously wrote in 1 Corinthians 16:14, "Let all that you do be done in love".
  
  
• Love that endures:
  In 1 Corinthians 13, he described love as patient, kind, and enduring, stating it "bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things".
  
  
• Acceptance of others:
  Paul also addressed the importance of accepting one another, reminding believers that God has welcomed them all and that they will all stand before God's judgment seat.

And in II Thessalonians 3:10 Paul said, "If anyone is unwilling to work, he shall not eat."

Making people needy or dependent on others when they otherwise would not be is NOT charity, is NOT kindness, is NOT benevolence.

 

[task0778]

Here's my question to anyone who has an answer: right now the national debt is north of $36 trillion and rising at just about $2 trillion/year. if we give however many illegals are here now free healthcare, food, and shelter, how much does that add to current deficits, cuz we ain't doing that now.

SO - how much debt do you think the US Gov't can stand before it gets too much? Some say it's already unsustainable already and you want to add to the problem? And I do not give Trump and the GOP a pass here, but at least they ain't as much to the debt as the democrat's want.

 

[JoeB131]

It’s been insanely expensive because illegals have been exploiting our hospitals for decades.

I remember hospitals being shutdown in the 90’s because they went bankrupt from all the illegals constantly showing up that they weren’t allowed to turn away.

The hospitals since then have simply adapted by passing on the costs to the rest of us.

Wingnuts seem to remember a lot of things that never happened.

Here's my question to anyone who has an answer: right now the national debt is north of $36 trillion and rising at just about $2 trillion/year. if we give however many illegals are here now free healthcare, food, and shelter, how much does that add to current deficits, cuz we ain't doing that now.

SO - how much debt do you think the US Gov't can stand before it gets too much? Some say it's already unsustainable already and you want to add to the problem? And I do not give Trump and the GOP a pass here, but at least they ain't as much to the debt as the democrat's want.

Actually, your premise is faulty. The only thing that keeps the deficit from being a lot worse is immigrants.

Americans aren't reproducing at replacement rates, and with Boomers retiring, there's no one to support the system through taxation. The only way you prop up the system and get the labor in to do the actual work is to admit more immigrants.