Judge strikes down voter id law

[GuyPinestra]

Texas voter ID law struck down by federal judges

Read it. It will answer your question.

I gather the judges did not uphold Texas' law because it was so stringent, compared to other voter photo IDs the judges have upheld.

Can you show us what was different than say Georgia's law, or Indiana's?

I don't see it, Fakey. It's not a long article, care to point it out?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Texas voter ID law struck down by federal judges

Read it. It will answer your question.

Can you show us what was different than say Georgia's law, or Indiana's?

I don't see it, Fakey. It's not a long article, care to point it out?

It’s in the ruling:

First, and most important, SB 14 is far stricter than either Indiana’s or Georgia’s voter ID laws. Indiana allows voters to use any photo ID that has “expired after the date of the most recent general election.” Ind. Code Ann. § 3-5-2-40.5(a)(3). Georgia allows voters to present any expired driver’s license at the polls. Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-417(a)(1); see also Georgia Secretary of State, Georgia Voter Identification Requirements, available online at Georgia Photo ID (last visited August 28, 2012) (listing as “acceptable” voter ID “[a] Georgia Driver’s License, even if expired”). By contrast, SB 14 prohibits the use of an ID which has expired “more than 60 days before the date of presentation” at the polls. Tex. Elec. Code § 63.0101 (January 1, 2012).

Moreover, the burdens associated with obtaining a purportedly “free” voter ID card will be heavier under SB 14 than under either Indiana or Georgia law. This is true for at least two reasons. The first relates to out-of-pocket cost. Under SB 14, EIC applicants will have to present DPS officials with a government-issued form of ID, the cheapest of which, a certified copy of a birth certificate, costs $22. By contrast, Georgia residents may present a wide range of documents to obtain a voter ID card, including a student ID, paycheck stub, Medicare or Medicaid statement, or certified school transcript. See Ga. Elec. Code § 183-1-20-.01. The diverse range of documents accepted by Georgia (24 categories in all) means that few voters are likely to incur out-of-pocket costs to obtain a voter ID. And although Indiana law, like SB 14, requires voters to present a government-issued document (such as a birth certificate) to obtain a “free” photo ID, in Indiana the “fee for obtaining a copy of one’s birth certificate” is significantly lower than in Texas, ranging from $3 to $12, depending on the county. See Crawford, 553 U.S. at 198 n.17.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/414721/tx-opinion.pdf

 

[GuyPinestra]

Texas voter ID law struck down by federal judges

Read it. It will answer your question.

I don't see it, Fakey. It's not a long article, care to point it out?

It’s in the ruling:

First, and most important, SB 14 is far stricter than either Indiana’s or Georgia’s voter ID laws. Indiana allows voters to use any photo ID that has “expired after the date of the most recent general election.” Ind. Code Ann. § 3-5-2-40.5(a)(3). Georgia allows voters to present any expired driver’s license at the polls. Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-417(a)(1); see also Georgia Secretary of State, Georgia Voter Identification Requirements, available online at Georgia Photo ID (last visited August 28, 2012) (listing as “acceptable” voter ID “[a] Georgia Driver’s License, even if expired”). By contrast, SB 14 prohibits the use of an ID which has expired “more than 60 days before the date of presentation” at the polls. Tex. Elec. Code § 63.0101 (January 1, 2012).

Moreover, the burdens associated with obtaining a purportedly “free” voter ID card will be heavier under SB 14 than under either Indiana or Georgia law. This is true for at least two reasons. The first relates to out-of-pocket cost. Under SB 14, EIC applicants will have to present DPS officials with a government-issued form of ID, the cheapest of which, a certified copy of a birth certificate, costs $22. By contrast, Georgia residents may present a wide range of documents to obtain a voter ID card, including a student ID, paycheck stub, Medicare or Medicaid statement, or certified school transcript. See Ga. Elec. Code § 183-1-20-.01. The diverse range of documents accepted by Georgia (24 categories in all) means that few voters are likely to incur out-of-pocket costs to obtain a voter ID. And although Indiana law, like SB 14, requires voters to present a government-issued document (such as a birth certificate) to obtain a “free” photo ID, in Indiana the “fee for obtaining a copy of one’s birth certificate” is significantly lower than in Texas, ranging from $3 to $12, depending on the county. See Crawford, 553 U.S. at 198 n.17.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/414721/tx-opinion.pdf

Thanks Clayton. Hard to believe $10 is enough to make a difference, or that ANYONE would even accept an expired ID, but I guess you learn something new every day.

Now could you point out where someone has to show a valid ID to register to vote? That's the claim you made yesterday... Thanks in advance...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Georgia residents may present a wide range of documents to obtain a voter ID card, including a student ID, paycheck stub, Medicare or Medicaid statement, or certified school transcript.

It’s clear, then, why the Texas law was invalidated, as the laws in Indiana, Georgia, and Virginia rely on reasonable restrictions – no voter would have a problem providing a paycheck stub, school record, or Medicare statement.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Now you add lying to a low IQ. You have problems, don't you?

Act like an adult and do due diligence.

Texas voter ID law struck down by federal judges

Read it. It will answer your question.

Can you show us what was different than say Georgia's law, or Indiana's?

I don't see it, Fakey. It's not a long article, care to point it out?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The ruling does that.

Your unwillingness to accept their ruling is only your issue, no one else's for you.

I don't see it, Fakey. It's not a long article, care to point it out?

It’s in the ruling:

First, and most important, SB 14 is far stricter than either Indiana’s or Georgia’s voter ID laws. Indiana allows voters to use any photo ID that has “expired after the date of the most recent general election.” Ind. Code Ann. § 3-5-2-40.5(a)(3). Georgia allows voters to present any expired driver’s license at the polls. Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-417(a)(1); see also Georgia Secretary of State, Georgia Voter Identification Requirements, available online at Georgia Photo ID (last visited August 28, 2012) (listing as “acceptable” voter ID “[a] Georgia Driver’s License, even if expired”). By contrast, SB 14 prohibits the use of an ID which has expired “more than 60 days before the date of presentation” at the polls. Tex. Elec. Code § 63.0101 (January 1, 2012).

Moreover, the burdens associated with obtaining a purportedly “free” voter ID card will be heavier under SB 14 than under either Indiana or Georgia law. This is true for at least two reasons. The first relates to out-of-pocket cost. Under SB 14, EIC applicants will have to present DPS officials with a government-issued form of ID, the cheapest of which, a certified copy of a birth certificate, costs $22. By contrast, Georgia residents may present a wide range of documents to obtain a voter ID card, including a student ID, paycheck stub, Medicare or Medicaid statement, or certified school transcript. See Ga. Elec. Code § 183-1-20-.01. The diverse range of documents accepted by Georgia (24 categories in all) means that few voters are likely to incur out-of-pocket costs to obtain a voter ID. And although Indiana law, like SB 14, requires voters to present a government-issued document (such as a birth certificate) to obtain a “free” photo ID, in Indiana the “fee for obtaining a copy of one’s birth certificate” is significantly lower than in Texas, ranging from $3 to $12, depending on the county. See Crawford, 553 U.S. at 198 n.17.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/414721/tx-opinion.pdf

Thanks Clayton. Hard to believe $10 is enough to make a difference, or that ANYONE would even accept an expired ID, but I guess you learn something new every day.

Now could you point out where someone has to show a valid ID to register to vote? That's the claim you made yesterday... Thanks in advance...

 

[ScienceRocks]

This is all about the leftist dream of a global community with one world government. They hate the nation state.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Matthew, like any reactionary, lies as easily as breathing. He hates the American nation state.

 

[GuyPinestra]

The ruling does that.

Your unwillingness to accept their ruling is only your issue, no one else's for you.

It’s in the ruling:

Thanks Clayton. Hard to believe $10 is enough to make a difference, or that ANYONE would even accept an expired ID, but I guess you learn something new every day.

Now could you point out where someone has to show a valid ID to register to vote? That's the claim you made yesterday... Thanks in advance...

The ruling does what, makes people show an ID to register? You're INSANE, Jake! It does no such thing, moron.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I don't see it, Fakey. It's not a long article, care to point it out?

It’s in the ruling:

First, and most important, SB 14 is far stricter than either Indiana’s or Georgia’s voter ID laws. Indiana allows voters to use any photo ID that has “expired after the date of the most recent general election.” Ind. Code Ann. § 3-5-2-40.5(a)(3). Georgia allows voters to present any expired driver’s license at the polls. Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-417(a)(1); see also Georgia Secretary of State, Georgia Voter Identification Requirements, available online at Georgia Photo ID (last visited August 28, 2012) (listing as “acceptable” voter ID “[a] Georgia Driver’s License, even if expired&#8221. By contrast, SB 14 prohibits the use of an ID which has expired “more than 60 days before the date of presentation” at the polls. Tex. Elec. Code § 63.0101 (January 1, 2012).

Moreover, the burdens associated with obtaining a purportedly “free” voter ID card will be heavier under SB 14 than under either Indiana or Georgia law. This is true for at least two reasons. The first relates to out-of-pocket cost. Under SB 14, EIC applicants will have to present DPS officials with a government-issued form of ID, the cheapest of which, a certified copy of a birth certificate, costs $22. By contrast, Georgia residents may present a wide range of documents to obtain a voter ID card, including a student ID, paycheck stub, Medicare or Medicaid statement, or certified school transcript. See Ga. Elec. Code § 183-1-20-.01. The diverse range of documents accepted by Georgia (24 categories in all) means that few voters are likely to incur out-of-pocket costs to obtain a voter ID. And although Indiana law, like SB 14, requires voters to present a government-issued document (such as a birth certificate) to obtain a “free” photo ID, in Indiana the “fee for obtaining a copy of one’s birth certificate” is significantly lower than in Texas, ranging from $3 to $12, depending on the county. See Crawford, 553 U.S. at 198 n.17.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/414721/tx-opinion.pdf

Thanks Clayton. Hard to believe $10 is enough to make a difference, or that ANYONE would even accept an expired ID, but I guess you learn something new every day.

Now could you point out where someone has to show a valid ID to register to vote? That's the claim you made yesterday... Thanks in advance...

In Texas one must provide ID to register. If one has no ID he may complete the registration process but must show ID before voting:

Texas Voting

My state requires ID as well, which is fine – citizens must demonstrate they’re eligible to vote when registering.

But not time and again every time one votes after registering.

Excessive ID laws such as in Texas not only violate the fundamental right to vote, but manifest a ‘presumption of guilt’; where it’s presumed everyone’s going to commit ‘fraud’ although he’s legally and properly registered, absent any evidence of an intent to commit fraud. Such a blanket approach with no evidence of wide-spread fraud is clearly inappropriate.

If the state has reason to believe a particular voter intends to commit fraud, or has indeed committed fraud, the state may conduct an investigation and prosecution of that individual alone if warranted.

 

[daveman]

It’s in the ruling:

Thanks Clayton. Hard to believe $10 is enough to make a difference, or that ANYONE would even accept an expired ID, but I guess you learn something new every day.

Now could you point out where someone has to show a valid ID to register to vote? That's the claim you made yesterday... Thanks in advance...

In Texas one must provide ID to register. If one has no ID he may complete the registration process but must show ID before voting:

Texas Voting

My state requires ID as well, which is fine – citizens must demonstrate they’re eligible to vote when registering.

But not time and again every time one votes after registering.

Excessive ID laws such as in Texas not only violate the fundamental right to vote, but manifest a ‘presumption of guilt’; where it’s presumed everyone’s going to commit ‘fraud’ although he’s legally and properly registered, absent any evidence of an intent to commit fraud. Such a blanket approach with no evidence of wide-spread fraud is clearly inappropriate.

If the state has reason to believe a particular voter intends to commit fraud, or has indeed committed fraud, the state may conduct an investigation and prosecution of that individual alone if warranted.

Once again, the question that one one who opposes Voter ID can answer:

How do you know the person who registered is the person voting?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sigh. Read it, please, before putting your other foot in your mouth.

The ruling does that.

Your unwillingness to accept their ruling is only your issue, no one else's for you.

Thanks Clayton. Hard to believe $10 is enough to make a difference, or that ANYONE would even accept an expired ID, but I guess you learn something new every day.

Now could you point out where someone has to show a valid ID to register to vote? That's the claim you made yesterday... Thanks in advance...

The ruling does what, makes people show an ID to register? You're INSANE, Jake! It does no such thing, moron.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Once again, the question that one one who opposes Voter ID can answer:

How do you know the person who registered is the person voting?

Proxy votes are the favored method of election fraud. democrats have used the proxy vote fraud for the last century and honestly view themselves as entitled to these fraudulent votes.

The way things currently work, these proxy votes are virtually undetectable. leaving democrats to smugly declare "what fraud?" Using names on the voter roles that belong to dead or fictitious registrants, democrats pay bums or illegal aliens to vote using the registered name.

Even an after election investigation won't reveal the fraud, a vote was cast and there was a registered voter. Without the requirement of ID, this fraud is undetectable and unstoppable. That is why partisan democrats like Jake Starkey and C_Clayton are so insane about stopping voter ID. Millions of fraudulent votes are on the table, and the democrats view this fraud as their birthright. Clearly there are leftist judges working to preserve voter fraud as well.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There is no problem is the problem.

However, I do agree that photo IDs should be made free of charge by the county governments for any who ask.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Sigh. Read it, please, before putting your other foot in your mouth.

The ruling does that.

Your unwillingness to accept their ruling is only your issue, no one else's for you.

The ruling does what, makes people show an ID to register? You're INSANE, Jake! It does no such thing, moron.

You claim it does, but you're too chickenshit to post a link to it because you know your claim is bogus.

You do that with every bogus claim you make, that's why everyone here calls you Fakey.

We all KNOW you're full of shit, and you prove it time and time again.

 

[Clementine]

Texas Voter ID Law Rejected By Federal Court

Yea, don't stand in the idiots' way. Like we are supposed to believe that a person who never held a job, applied for welfare, drove a car, had a bank account, wrote a check, bought cigarettes or alcohol, flew on a plane, bought a bus ticket, visited a military base, got a credit card, rented a house, owned a house or went to school would bother to actually register and vote? The left excuse is total bullshit!!!

The only logical explanation is that they want illegal aliens to vote.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I posted it, little on,e Go and find, it please, before putting your left hand into tyour mouth with both feet.

Your a fake, Guy.

Sigh. Read it, please, before putting your other foot in your mouth.

The ruling does what, makes people show an ID to register? You're INSANE, Jake! It does no such thing, moron.

You claim it does, but you're too chickenshit to post a link to it because you know your claim is bogus.

You do that with every bogus claim you make, that's why everyone here calls you Fakey.

We all KNOW you're full of shit, and you prove it time and time again.

 

[sfcalifornia]

Texas Voter ID Law Rejected By Federal Court

Yea, don't stand in the idiots' way. Like we are supposed to believe that a person who never held a job, applied for welfare, drove a car, had a bank account, wrote a check, bought cigarettes or alcohol, flew on a plane, bought a bus ticket, visited a military base, got a credit card, rented a house, owned a house or went to school would bother to actually register and vote? The left excuse is total bullshit!!!

The only logical explanation is that they want illegal aliens to vote.

When the actual rate of occurance of voter fraud is between .00004% and .0009% of the time, and those occurances were mostly accidental, the only logical explanation for such a strong push by Republicans for voter ID laws is because they can't win the election in any other way.

 

[GuyPinestra]

I posted it, little on,e Go and find, it please, before putting your left hand into tyour mouth with both feet.

Your a fake, Guy.

Sigh. Read it, please, before putting your other foot in your mouth.

You claim it does, but you're too chickenshit to post a link to it because you know your claim is bogus.

You do that with every bogus claim you make, that's why everyone here calls you Fakey.

We all KNOW you're full of shit, and you prove it time and time again.

You posted the section of the ruling that said you need an ID to register to vote?

Not in THIS thread, you hack ******* liar!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Guy, you can pant and chant and rant, and you are still wrong.

The link was posted. You just don't like it.