Judge Strikes Down Citizenship Question in 2020 Census

[Wry Catcher]

I see why it would be on there. i also see why it shouldnt be on there. I dont give a shit either way
I think some of the arguments against it are bogus though.

Really, I offered two. Can you deny either one of them is not a valid and sound premise?

 

[Wry Catcher]

So what exactly is the question? The title and the poll are different questions!

Mea culpa, I forgot to post the link:

"Is this person a citizen of the United States?"Judge Orders Trump Administration To Remove 2020 Census Citizenship Question

 

[Wry Catcher]

I don't see the problem with the questions since at checkpoints in I-10 out of El Paso, the 405 north of San Diego, et al, they stop you and ask if you're a US citizen. Secondly, criminals like illegal aliens will just lie and say they are Americans

-Geaux

What Probable Cause allows LE to stop and ask this question?

 

[JoeMoma]

Since the number of representatives in the house of representatives for each state is based on census numbers, it is important to know then number of citizens for each state. States should not get extra representation for non-citizens.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

It was removed in the first place because it reduces accuracy which is the whole point of the census

How does more information reduce accuracy?

 

[Hellbilly]

Democrats forcing their moral neutrality on everyone.

As opposed to republicans forcing their will on everyone.


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Rattle off a list of things they forced you to do snowflake.

You can’t be serious.
Insult me and expect a response?
Get therapy.


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[JimH52]

"Hundreds of thousands — if not millions — of people will go uncounted in the census if the citizenship question is included," U.S. District Judge Jesse Furman said in a 277-page opinion.

"In arriving at his decision as he did, Secretary Ross violated the law," Furman said, adding that Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross -- whose department oversees the census -- "violated the public trust" in doing so with respect to the census.

The Administrative Procedures Act requires an agency to "consider all important aspects of a problem," study relevant evidence and come to a conclusion supported by it, comply with procedures and laws and explain the facts and reasons for the decision, Furman said. Ross’s decision "fell short on all these fronts," the judge said.

The Criminal in Chief just wants to locate anyone he feels in unfit to be in this country....based on HIS sense of unfit.....(whites only)

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

As I recall, the Census is a binding document and you can get into trouble for lying on it. It carries with it, the force of law. In short, you’re testifying.

Wouldn’t asking that question be a violation of the 5th Amendment?

Wouldn't asking any of the questions on the form other than the number of people living in your household violate the same?

 

[BlackFlag]

It was removed in the first place because it reduces accuracy which is the whole point of the census

How does more information reduce accuracy?

People don’t respond, and so the purpose of the census is defeated. Decades of reasoning behind it.

 

[WillowTree]

So what exactly is the question? The title and the poll are different questions!

Mea culpa, I forgot to post the link:

"Is this person a citizen of the United States?"Judge Orders Trump Administration To Remove 2020 Census Citizenship Question

Why would the judge care? Shouldn’t we know who’s here? Why allow them to hide?

 

[WillowTree]

I do not support the judge’s ruling!

 

[OKTexas]

A Federal Judge has ordered the Commerce Dept to not have the question on the Census.

Judge Orders Trump Administration To Remove 2020 Census Citizenship Question

Furman's decision marks a significant milestone in a legal battle that began shortly after the Trump administration announced last year that the 2020 census would include a controversial question about U.S. citizenship status. The added question was: "Is this person a citizen of the United States?" All U.S. households have not been asked such a question on the census since 1950.

With no citizenship question, how does the government comply with the requirements of the 14th Amendment, with respect to the reduction of the count relating to representation?

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[saveliberty]

You can’t be serious.
Insult me and expect a response?
Get therapy.


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Got nothing and are easily offended. You may want to consider your future on a message board as too challenging.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Since the number of representatives in the house of representatives for each state is based on census numbers, it is important to know then number of citizens for each state. States should not get extra representation for non-citizens.

Did you consider the two points in my post? Also, consider this link, and comment:

Should statistical sampling be used in the United States Census

 

[JoeMoma]

Since the number of representatives in the house of representatives for each state is based on census numbers, it is important to know then number of citizens for each state. States should not get extra representation for non-citizens.

Did you consider the two points in my post? Also, consider this link, and comment:

Should statistical sampling be used in the United States Census

I didn't read the entire thread. I only considered the question in the title and your opening post (#1). Didn't really find any "points" there.

 

[OKTexas]

"Hundreds of thousands — if not millions — of people will go uncounted in the census if the citizenship question is included," U.S. District Judge Jesse Furman said in a 277-page opinion.

"In arriving at his decision as he did, Secretary Ross violated the law," Furman said, adding that Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross -- whose department oversees the census -- "violated the public trust" in doing so with respect to the census.

The Administrative Procedures Act requires an agency to "consider all important aspects of a problem," study relevant evidence and come to a conclusion supported by it, comply with procedures and laws and explain the facts and reasons for the decision, Furman said. Ross’s decision "fell short on all these fronts," the judge said.

So the judge didn't say the question was improper, just how they went about including it was. Because the question was included in past census.

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[TNHarley]

I see why it would be on there. i also see why it shouldnt be on there. I dont give a shit either way
I think some of the arguments against it are bogus though.

Really, I offered two. Can you deny either one of them is not a valid and sound premise?

Yours were fine.
I heard today its discriminates against immigrant colored communities LOL

 

[Timmy]

Why was this moved from politics. ?

Anyaway . The whole point of the question is too suppress participation in the census . GOP up to their usual tricks .

 

[Geaux4it]

I don't see the problem with the questions since at checkpoints in I-10 out of El Paso, the 405 north of San Diego, et al, they stop you and ask if you're a US citizen. Secondly, criminals like illegal aliens will just lie and say they are Americans

-Geaux

What Probable Cause allows LE to stop and ask this question?

 

[Hellbilly]

You can’t be serious.
Insult me and expect a response?
Get therapy.


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Got nothing and are easily offended. You may want to consider your future on a message board as too challenging.

You wish.


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