Judge States Traditional Marriage Was Polygamy

[JakeStarkey]

The minority. There is no proof that polygamy was widespread or the norm. The judge is wrong.

However, what WAS tradition is that the woman had no choice in the relationship and was quite often barely in her teens married to an older man.

That's of course as wrong as anything else you've ever posted.

You have just demonstrated your ignorance again.

Yes, women were bartered as commodities in the marriage process.

Sarai meant "chief slave servant women" in your own heritage.

 

[The Rabbi]

Polygamy was certainly the tradition in the Americas.

Polygamy was certainly the tradition until the conversion to Christianity from 200 to 1200 CE.

The Rabbi, what history are you studying? It is certainly not the Earth's.

Jake Fact-Free Starkey strikes again.

 

[Sallow]

The woman is naturally an idiot. Yes, some societies and cultures have polygamy as a traditional form of marriage.
But for 2000 years in the West marriage has been one man and one woman. If 2000 years does not constitute a tradition I am not sure what does.

It's irrelevant. Tradition is fallacious argument to defend the merits of anything.

Conservatism is based on the absolute protection of tradition.

 

[USNavyVet]

Polygamy was certainly the tradition in the Americas.

Polygamy was certainly the tradition until the conversion to Christianity from 200 to 1200 CE.

The Rabbi, what history are you studying? It is certainly not the Earth's.

Traditions are also cultural norms and there is no evidence that polygamy was ever a norm. It was something the wealthy could afford to do. Reading about it in a history book doesn't make it traditional.

 

[JWBooth]

Some random observations...


The book of Genises, one man and one woman, unless Adam was also attracted to sheep, one woman was all there was..and look at all the trouble she caused.
Why should anybody let the government license their spousal relationship(s) so long as said relationship(s) involve consenting adults?

 

[hazlnut]

SLAM -- to all the bigots and homophobic "Christian" leaders white and black --


They bullshit their congregations with "traditional marriage" crap -- as if no one ever read the bible.

The word WIFE in the bible refers to a girl who was sold by a family patriarch in exchange for land and chickens-- usually when she was underage.

 

[hazlnut]

The woman is naturally an idiot. Yes, some societies and cultures have polygamy as a traditional form of marriage.
But for 2000 years in the West marriage has been one man and one woman. If 2000 years does not constitute a tradition I am not sure what does.

I see you know very little about the history of marriage in Western Cultures.

Self-marriage was all the rage for a time.

It's only in the last 200 years that women had a say in the matter.

And the last 50 years that blacks could marry white.

So take your ignorance elsewhere.

 

[DaGoose]

They don't have to. Tradition by itself is not a relevant argument for or against anything.

Well yeah actually it is. It's sometimes called "precedent".

Slavery as precedence. Interesting.

Dang, you beat me to it. Rabbi comes up with some of the most wonderfully stupid arguments sometimes.

Using HIS judgment slavery should still be legal since it's both biblically based and full of "precedence".

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[JakeStarkey]

Polygamy was certainly the tradition in the Americas.

Polygamy was certainly the tradition until the conversion to Christianity from 200 to 1200 CE.

The Rabbi, what history are you studying? It is certainly not the Earth's.

Traditions are also cultural norms and there is no evidence that polygamy was ever a norm. It was something the wealthy could afford to do. Reading about it in a history book doesn't make it traditional.

Once again you make an opinion statement and that it is factual evidence. You are wrong.

 

[peach174]

Why is this Judge embracing Eastern traditions but not western traditions?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why is this Judge embracing Eastern traditions but not western traditions?

The Native Americans were polygamous into the 20th century

The Mormons were polygamous

Many of the Asians and Middle Easterners have been polygamous

We have muslim African families in SLC that are polygamous

Majority of Americans, super majority of millenials, have no problem with marriage equality.

 

[konradv]

Damn you bringing in facts!

Facts require evidence. You're hanging your hat on a mere statement without back up. At the time the church DID NOT enforce monogamy.

Chapter VII. Polygamy.

Yeah that's a big fail right there.
Polygamy is certainly not a western tradition, and not ours. See Reynolds v US.

LOL!!! Really backed off that 2,000 year claim, eh?

 

[Plasmaball]

The woman is naturally an idiot. Yes, some societies and cultures have polygamy as a traditional form of marriage.
But for 2000 years in the West marriage has been one man and one woman. If 2000 years does not constitute a tradition I am not sure what does.

How marriage has changed over centuries - The Week

try 200 moron

 

[Plasmaball]

The woman is naturally an idiot. Yes, some societies and cultures have polygamy as a traditional form of marriage.
But for 2000 years in the West marriage has been one man and one woman. If 2000 years does not constitute a tradition I am not sure what does.

Your argument seems specious at best. Polygamy is part and parcel of the Old Testament. Are you saying that doesn't qualify as a tradition?

It is a tradition, yes. But it is not our tradition. Our tradition in Western Europe, of which we are part, is one man one woman. That is a 2000 year old tradition.

When did the church get involved?
In ancient Rome, marriage was a civil affair governed by imperial law. But when the empire collapsed, in the 5th century, church courts took over and elevated marriage to a holy union. As the church's power grew through the Middle Ages, so did its influence over marriage. In 1215, marriage was declared one of the church's seven sacraments, alongside rites like baptism and penance. But it was only in the 16th century that the church decreed that weddings be performed in public, by a priest, and before witnesses.

not even close to 2000 years. keep polishing that turd

 

[hazlnut]

Traditions are also cultural norms and there is no evidence that polygamy was ever a norm. It was something the wealthy could afford to do. Reading about it in a history book doesn't make it traditional.

What about the Bible?


Have you never read the Holy Bible?



Yes -- reading about something that was widely practiced does make once a TRADITION.

 

[Plasmaball]

Your argument seems specious at best. Polygamy is part and parcel of the Old Testament. Are you saying that doesn't qualify as a tradition?

It is a tradition, yes. But it is not our tradition. Our tradition in Western Europe, of which we are part, is one man one woman. That is a 2000 year old tradition.

Who says OUR tradition is Western Europe? Americans come from all over the world.

When did the church get involved?
In ancient Rome, marriage was a civil affair governed by imperial law. But when the empire collapsed, in the 5th century, church courts took over and elevated marriage to a holy union. As the church's power grew through the Middle Ages, so did its influence over marriage. In 1215, marriage was declared one of the church's seven sacraments, alongside rites like baptism and penance. But it was only in the 16th century that the church decreed that weddings be performed in public, by a priest, and before witnesses.

even IF it did...1215 is not 2000 years ago. its not even 1000

 

[Papageorgio]

Why is this Judge embracing Eastern traditions but not western traditions?

The Native Americans were polygamous into the 20th century

The Mormons were polygamous

Many of the Asians and Middle Easterners have been polygamous

We have muslim African families in SLC that are polygamous

Majority of Americans, super majority of millenials, have no problem with marriage equality.

Then why is this tradition now outlawed? Seems men should be able to marry as many women as they like.


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[hazlnut]

Watching Homophobes and so-called "Christians" fail in this thread is Marvelous.

Seems we know more about their bible than they do?

 

[Plasmaball]

It is a tradition, yes. But it is not our tradition. Our tradition in Western Europe, of which we are part, is one man one woman. That is a 2000 year old tradition.

That too is a fallacious assumption. We are not bound by 'western European' traditions, nor should we be. We are supposed to be bound, if we are bound at all, to the fundamental principles of democratic society,

and such principles would not exclude same sex couples from a right to marriage that opposite sex couples have.

I didnt say we were bound by the traditions. That is mangling of what I wrote caused by your low intelligence.
The fundamental principles of a democratic society is that the will of the people is the source of legitimate government. So why are judges striking down pro marriage laws that were passed by popular majorities?

i love watching you flail....youve had this question answered numerous times.

 

[Plasmaball]

If polygamy is traditional, why is it not allowed right now? Why has government fought the tradition?

Good question. The answer seems to be that traditionalists(conservatives) like peeping into peoples' bedrooms.

I'm not sure what you answer has to do with anything. If this judge is claiming polygamy is traditional then why is it illegal? She should take the next step and legalize polygamy in the state of Wisconsin.


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yes she should, what consenting adults do is really none of our business.