Judge sets absurd trial date for Trump case

[Wiggle_Piggy]

Nobody outside of the radical leftist bubble thinks the timing is just a coincidence. Public trust in our institutions is being shattered because of clear abuse by leftist activists in government

 

[bigrebnc1775]

By trying to convince Pence to illegally halt an official proceeding. By conspiring to create forged election documents.

Read the indictment. Its all in there.

Pence could have legally sent the vote back to the states

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Nobody outside of the radical leftist bubble thinks the timing is just a coincidence. Public trust in our institutions is being shattered because of clear abuse

They don't care they have a cult mentality

 

[Oldestyle]

The grand jury found that the actions taken by Trump and his co-conspirators was most definitely illegal.

And the evidence in the indictment is extensive. Eastman admitted that he knew that what he was asking of Pence was a violation. They knew what they were doing was illegal.

Forged election documents are illegal.

Trying to pressure the VP to illegally halt an official proceeding isn't legal. And Trump's own lawyer admitted that it was Trump that chose the plan to try and halt the J6 electoral vote count.

Come on, Skylar! What a Grand Jury "finds" is practically meaningless! The prosecution is the only one that presents evidence to the Grand Jury and there is ZERO defense rebuttal of that evidence!
Again...show where Eastman ever said he knew that what they were doing was illegal?

 

[Skylar]

Again...asking Pence to halt the official proceedure wasn't "illegal".

As part of a conspiracy to obstruct the official proceedings? The grand jury disagreed. Trump's lawyer has admitted that they chose to try and halt the official proceedings.

That's text book obstruction.

Forged documents? Again, consult the grand juries (both in DC and in Michigan).

Pence himself said Trump tried to get him to overturn the election. That's not legal.

It was a political move that was attempted by the Trump camp and Pence refused. I'm sorry but that's NOT a criminal act!

The grand jury disagreed.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

As part of a conspiracy to obstruct the official proceedings? The grand jury disagreed. Trump's lawyer has admitted that they chose to try and halt the official proceedings.

That's text book obstruction.

Forged documents? Again, consult the grand juries (both in DC and in Michigan).

Pence himself said Trump tried to get him to overturn the election. That's not legal.




The grand jury disagreed.

Pence has recently admitted he could have sent the vote back to the states. And it's legal to do

 

[Skylar]

Come on, Skylar! What a Grand Jury "finds" is practically meaningless! The prosecution is the only one that presents evidence to the Grand Jury and there is ZERO defense rebuttal of that evidence!
Again...show where Eastman ever said he knew that what they were doing was illegal?

Its laid out in the indictment. Take a look. They cite the exact Email where Eastman admits what they're asking Pence is a violation. Look at the text messages. They knew this wasn't legal and wouldn't hold up in court.

And forged election documents? That's not legal.

Don't take my word for any of it. Take a look for yourself. All the evidence is in the indictment.

United States v. Donald J. Trump

 

[Skylar]

Pence has recently admitted he could have sent the vote back to the states. And it's legal to do

Uh-huh.

"There was no discretion ever given to the vice president in history, nor should there ever be," Pence told "Face the Nation." "I had no right to overturn the election and Kamala Harris will have no right to overturn the election when we beat them in 2024."

Pence disputes Trump legal team's claims, and says Trump asked him "what he thought" they should do after 2020 election

Pence refuted the notion that Trump only asked him to delay the counting of 2020 electoral votes to allow states to audit the results.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Skylar]

Nobody outside of the radical leftist bubble thinks the timing is just a coincidence. Public trust in our institutions is being shattered because of clear abuse by leftist activists in government

Jack Smith was seated in November of 2022. When was he 'supposed' to convene grand juries for charges?

 

[Oldestyle]

As part of a conspiracy to obstruct the official proceedings? The grand jury disagreed. Trump's lawyer has admitted that they chose to try and halt the official proceedings.

That's text book obstruction.

Forged documents? Again, consult the grand juries (both in DC and in Michigan).

Pence himself said Trump tried to get him to overturn the election. That's not legal.




The grand jury disagreed.

Attempting to stop those proceedures with a legal "Hail Mary" isn't illegal, Skylar! The courts are there to rule on those kinds of things...not to charge those who attempted them with crimes.

 

[Skylar]

Attempting to stop those proceedures with a legal "Hail Mary" isn't illegal, Skylar! The courts are there to rule on those kinds of things...not to charge those who attempted them with crimes.

The grand jury found it wasn't legal at all.

The courts did rule: every Big Lie case that ever hit the courts was laughed out of it. The electoral college had already met. The electors had already voted.

Trump and his co-conspirators conspired to stop the official proceeding (with Trump's attorney admitting to it), forge fradulent election documents and compel the VP to violate the law to overturn a lawful election.

They failed.

And there are consequences for the conspiracy.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Uh-huh.

"There was no discretion ever given to the vice president in history, nor should there ever be," Pence told "Face the Nation." "I had no right to overturn the election and Kamala Harris will have no right to overturn the election when we beat them in 2024."

Pence disputes Trump legal team's claims, and says Trump asked him "what he thought" they should do after 2020 election

Pence refuted the notion that Trump only asked him to delay the counting of 2020 electoral votes to allow states to audit the results.

www.cbsnews.com

Pence may choose 2020 election winner ‘as he sees fit,’ Gohmert says in court filing

Gohmert’s new brief contends that the Constitution effectively makes Pence the sole arbiter of which electoral votes to count during the Jan. 6 session of Congress to certify the election.

www.politico.com

Although the Twelfth Amendment to the Constitution requires Pence, as vice president, to preside over the Jan. 6 session, his authority is detailed in the Electoral Count Act of 1887. It requires Pence to introduce electors alphabetically by state, and it sets out a process for House members and senators to challenge disputed electors.

Under the Electoral Count Act, that challenge would be resolved by separate votes of the House and Senate — and in the case of the 2020 election, those challenges would effectively be doomed. The Democratic House majority would certainly oppose them and the closely divided Senate includes a slew of Republicans who have acknowledged that Biden is the unequivocal winner of the contest.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Trial date remains unchanged...

 

[Skylar]

Pence may choose 2020 election winner ‘as he sees fit,’ Gohmert says in court filing

Gohmert’s new brief contends that the Constitution effectively makes Pence the sole arbiter of which electoral votes to count during the Jan. 6 session of Congress to certify the election.

www.politico.com

Although the Twelfth Amendment to the Constitution requires Pence, as vice president, to preside over the Jan. 6 session, his authority is detailed in the Electoral Count Act of 1887. It requires Pence to introduce electors alphabetically by state, and it sets out a process for House members and senators to challenge disputed electors.

Under the Electoral Count Act, that challenge would be resolved by separate votes of the House and Senate — and in the case of the 2020 election, those challenges would effectively be doomed. The Democratic House majority would certainly oppose them and the closely divided Senate includes a slew of Republicans who have acknowledged that Biden is the unequivocal winner of the contest.

That's not Pence. That's Gohmert, trying to speak for Pence. Look at the title of the article. Gohmert's name is in the link.

This is Pence:

"There was no discretion ever given to the vice president in history, nor should there ever be," Pence told "Face the Nation." "I had no right to overturn the election and Kamala Harris will have no right to overturn the election when we beat them in 2024."

 

[Skylar]

Trial date remains unchanged...

Indeed. This is mostly an excercise in perceived victim-hood.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

That's not Pence. That's Gohmert, trying to speak for Pence. Look at the title of the article. Gohmert's name is in the link.

This is Pence:

"There was no discretion ever given to the vice president in history, nor should there ever be," Pence told "Face the Nation." "I had no right to overturn the election and Kamala Harris will have no right to overturn the election when we beat them in 2024."

Electoral Count Act of 1887 gives pence the authority to send the vote back to the states

 

[Zincwarrior]

You remain stubborn and ignorant and wrong.

You’re very resistant to actual facts, logic and the law. Your bias is insurmountable.

Timelines and charges haven't changed.

 

[Skylar]

Electoral Count Act of 1887 gives pence the authority to send the vote back to the states

No court has ever found this to be true. Trump's own co-conspirators in texts discussing it said that the courts would definitely overturn any such use of the Act as illegal.

And Pence explicitly contradicts you, as did Pence's legal counsel, as did the White House Counsel.

"There was no discretion ever given to the vice president in history, nor should there ever be," Pence told "Face the Nation." "I had no right to overturn the election and Kamala Harris will have no right to overturn the election when we beat them in 2024."

With Eastman very likely being disbarred for even attempting to abuse the law in that fashion.

And under indictment for it. So no. That wasn't legal.

Pence himself admitted that Trump tried to get him to overturn the election. None of that is legal.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Pence could have legally sent the vote back to the states

So can Harris I guess?

 

[Marener]

Pence could have legally sent the vote back to the states

Where does the constitution say that?