Judge sets absurd trial date for Trump case

[Oldestyle]

Again, there's nothing in case law, history, or any statement of the founders that even SUGGESTS that the Founders ever supported a blanket immunity from all law if someone decides to run for any office. Including president.

There's strong evidence that the Founders believed in law and order, constitutional protections, probable cause and speedy trials. All of which Trump has been afforded.

The Founders would do what MAGA refuses to do: Look at the evidence. If the evidence justifies the charges, then the Founders would be fine with it, in my opinion.

And the evidence in this case absolutely does.

The Founders would look at what Democrats are doing and cringe, Skylar! You on the left are using the courts to hamstring a political campaign. If it were REALLY about law and order then these are charges that would have been brought years ago!

 

[Skylar]

The Founders would look at what Democrats are doing and cringe, Skylar! You on the left are using the courts to hamstring a political campaign. If it were REALLY about law and order then these are charges that would have been brought years ago!

Not with the evidence against Trump, they wouldn't.

Again, if the evidence justifies the charges, this is just due process. The Founders supported law and order, speedy trials, probable cause and constitutional protections. Trump has been afforded them all.

The evidence is where your 'the left is using the courts to hamstring a political campaign' argument breaks. The evidence against Trump is very, very strong, more than justifying the charges against Trump.

You can't claim any kind of election interference when the charges are more than justified by the evidence.

 

[Oldestyle]

Not with the evidence against Trump, they wouldn't.

Again, if the evidence justifies the charges, this is just due process. The Founders supported law and order, speedy trials, probable cause and constitutional protections. Trump has been afforded them all.

The evidence is where your 'the left is using the courts to hamstring a political campaign' argument breaks. The evidence against Trump is very, very strong, more than justifying the charges against Trump.

You can't claim any kind of election interference when the charges are more than justified by the evidence.

Then why wasn't that evidence brought forth two years ago?

 

[Oldestyle]

The Founders would have seen right through your claims that this was about the rule of law, Skylar. It obviously is political.

 

[Skylar]

Then why wasn't that evidence brought forth two years ago?

Simple: Jack Smith wasn't seated as a special counsel until November of 2022.

From the time he started his investigation to the time the trial date was set was.....9 months?

That's a very reasonable time frame.

 

[Skylar]

The Founders would have seen right through your claims that this was about the rule of law, Skylar. It obviously is political.

The evidence says otherwise. And you know this.

How can I tell? Because your arguments fastidiously avoid any discussion of the evidence against Trump or any acknowledgment that it exists.

If the evidence were weak, y'all would tear it apart. But instead, you run. Demonstrating that you know exactly why Trump was charged. And you don't have any salient defense.

If the evidence justifies the charges, then any argument of political interference goes out the window.

And we both know the evidence justifies the charges. This is just due process.

 

[Oldestyle]

Simple: Jack Smith wasn't seated as a special counsel until November of 2022.

From the time he started his investigation to the time the trial date was set was.....9 months?

That's a very reasonable time frame.

Why did it take two years?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The only coup was tried on Jan 6th and come March 4th you fuckers are going to pay for it!

Same old worn out shit there was no coup attempt on Jan 6. And when it gets appealed and Trump wins the white house you fuckers are really going to pay for it.

 

[Skylar]

Why did it take two years?

Because Trump dicked around in returning national defense docs for 18 months. It wasn't until August of 2022 that the feds had to get a warrant and simply seize the classified docs that Trump refused to return and was showing to folks.

Jack Smith was seated as a special counsel 3 months after that.

Trump created this timeline.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The evidence says otherwise. And you know this.

How can I tell? Because your arguments fastidiously avoid any discussion of the evidence against Trump or any acknowledgment that it exists.

If the evidence were weak, y'all would tear it apart. But instead, you run. Demonstrating that you know exactly why Trump was charged. And you don't have any salient defense.

If the evidence justifies the charges, then any argument of political interference goes out the window.

And we both know the evidence justifies the charges. This is just due process.

What evidence? Trump telling people to peacefully and patriotically go have your voices heard. Or the evidence that trump authorized the national guard to be used?

 

[Oldestyle]

The evidence says otherwise. And you know this.

How can I tell? Because your arguments fastidiously avoid any discussion of the evidence against Trump or any acknowledgment that it exists.

If the evidence were weak, y'all would tear it apart. But instead, you run. Demonstrating that you know exactly why Trump was charged. And you don't have any salient defense.

If the evidence justifies the charges, then any argument of political interference goes out the window.

And we both know the evidence justifies the charges. This is just due process.

The evidence against Trump is another discussion. Quite frankly I think you can tell how weak the cases are against Trump by the legal gymnastics that the prosecutors had to perform to get all of their indictments.

That aside...it's the very fact that Democrats think they can charge the main opposition candidate with multiple indictments...force him to spend millions of dollars on lawyers rather than on campaigns...and spend time in court rooms rather than campaigning...and not have it come back to bite them in the ass in the future. This isn't a partisan position by me, Skylar! It's me pointing out how dangerous a precedent this is and how it's FAR more dangerous to our democracy than anything Donald Trump has done!

 

[Skylar]

What evidence? Trump telling people to peacefully and patriotically go have your voices heard. Or the evidence that trump authorized the national guard to be used?

Trump isn't being charged for the attack on the Capitol. He's being charged for trying to obstruct an official proceeding by trying to illegal halt the vote count.

Eastman himself admitted that he knew what he was asking Pence to do was a violation, the text messages between Trump's co-conspirators admitted that they knew what they were doing wasn't legal and wouldn't hold up in court.

With testimony that Trump knew of the plot to forge election documents. And participated in the conspiracy.

None of that is legal.

 

[Oldestyle]

Because Trump dicked around in returning national defense docs for 18 months. It wasn't until August of 2022 that the feds had to get a warrant and simply seize the classified docs that Trump refused to return and was showing to folks.

Jack Smith was seated as a special counsel 3 months after that.

Trump created this timeline.

Those are the documents. Why were the other indictments not brought?

 

[Skylar]

Those are the documents. Why were the other indictments not brought?

When was Jack Smith supposed to convene the grand jury for these charges?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Trump isn't being charged for the attack on the Capitol. He's being charged for trying to obstruct an official proceeding by trying to illegal halt the vote count.

Eastman himself admitted that he knew what he was asking Pence to do was a violation, the text messages between Trump's co-conspirators admitted that they knew what they were doing wasn't legal and wouldn't hold up in court.

With testimony that Trump knew of the plot to forge election documents. And participated in the conspiracy.

None of that is legal.

How did he obstruct anything?
Pence has later admitted he could have sent the vote count back to the states. Because the votes counts were in question

 

[Oldestyle]

Trump isn't being charged for the attack on the Capitol. He's being charged for trying to obstruct an official proceeding by trying to illegal halt the vote count.

Eastman himself admitted that he knew what he was asking Pence to do was a violation, the text messages between Trump's co-conspirators admitted that they knew what they were doing wasn't legal and wouldn't hold up in court.

With testimony that Trump knew of the plot to forge election documents. And participated in the conspiracy.

None of that is legal.

With all due respect, Skylar? There was a spirited debate among those in the Trump camp about what was and what wasn't going to hold up in court. That doesn't make it illegal. Courts decide that. Attempting political strategies has never before been a criminal act before now and with good reason.

 

[Skylar]

How did he obstruct anything?
Pence has later admitted he could have sent the vote count back to the states. Because the votes counts were in question

By trying to convince Pence to illegally halt an official proceeding. By conspiring to create forged election documents.

Read the indictment. Its all in there.

 

[Oldestyle]

When was Jack Smith supposed to convene the grand jury for these charges?

You on the left seem to believe that Trump is an imminent danger to our democracy yet you waited YEARS to bring charges against him? Nobody buys that this wasn't political, Skylar. It obviously WAS!

 

[Oldestyle]

Again...asking Pence to halt the official proceedure wasn't "illegal". It was a political move that was attempted by the Trump camp and Pence refused. I'm sorry but that's NOT a criminal act!

 

[Skylar]

With all due respect, Skylar? There was a spirited debate among those in the Trump camp about what was and what wasn't going to hold up in court. That doesn't make it illegal. Courts decide that. Attempting political strategies has never before been a criminal act before now and with good reason.

The grand jury found that the actions taken by Trump and his co-conspirators was most definitely illegal.

And the evidence in the indictment is extensive. Eastman admitted that he knew that what he was asking of Pence was a violation. They knew what they were doing was illegal.

Forged election documents are illegal.

Trying to pressure the VP to illegally halt an official proceeding isn't legal. And Trump's own lawyer admitted that it was Trump that chose the plan to try and halt the J6 electoral vote count.