Judge rules pro-HAMAS foreigner can be deported for undermining U.S. policy

[Coyote]

Support is fine. Take your protests to Israel, the alleged offenders, or take your protests to some peaceful sidewalk protest. ITMT, I've long held that not all Palis are bad until seeing a video recently taken over in Gaza interviewing them on the street where 80% of them still support Hamas and train children to hate and kill Jews.

Let the hammering commence.

I’m not going to get side tracked on all this Biden stuff other than to say Biden was most certainly not pro-Hamas, gave Israel everything it wanted and only gave a slap-on-the-wrist when the anger from his own party forced it. It was an area where I feel he failed and disappointed me big time. The constant attempt to paint him as anti-Israel is really laughable.

Pro-Palestinian protestors have the same rights as any other group, they can protest anywhere any one else can. As long as they aren’t assaulting people or vandalizing property. Of course, that is public areas…private property is upp to the owner.

The thing is, they shouldn’t be afraid of being “disappeared” simply for speaking up.

 

[Coyote]

These people are welcome here just fine IMO so long as they come here in support of being Americans and our way of life, rather than fomenting violence. But America is not /their/ country, nor the worlds, it is ours, and others visiting here need to respect and stay within our laws. And please, take the damned towels off your heads. Keep that shit at home. I hate that stuff. No one here cares about not seeing your face and it poses a security problem for police and stuff.

BTW, I see that the lady from Tufts you are so worried about has now been released from detention. That is far more generous than Joe Biden was with thousands of Americans.

She has been released ONLY because the courts ordered it. The administration is doubling down trying to make a case against her.

What did she do?

 

[Lisa558]

This is OUR country. Not just yours.

Didn’t I I just say that? I said it is OUR country. Zinc said it wasn’t, and I was responding to that.

 

[Lisa558]

Not sad at all. Lisa states that people (Muslims, Palestinians) are not welcome here because she doesn’t like them and it’s “our” country.

And I’m saying it is ALL OUR country, and that they too are welcome here to be part of America just like any other group.

WTH? We are talking about the Muslim FOREIGNER from Syria. This is not HIS country, and he is not welcome here when he is spreading HAMAS propaganda and riling up more violence against Jews.

Chilling how tolerant you leftists are when the targets of hate are Jews. You’d be screaming holy hell if some foreigner came here from Europe, donned a KKK outfit, and starting ruling up (more) violence against blacks.

But Jews? eh.

 

[Coyote]

WTH? We are talking about the Muslim FOREIGNER from Syria. This is not HIS country, and he is not welcome here when he is spreading HAMAS propaganda and riling up more violence against Jews.

Chilling how tolerant you leftists are when the targets of hate are Jews. You’d be screaming holy hell if some foreigner came here from Europe, donned a KKK outfit, and starting ruling up (more) violence against blacks.

But Jews? eh.

What has he specifically said that is “Hamas propaganda” or “riling up hate” against Jews?

 

[Lisa558]

How sad Mrs. C that you see yourself and Lisa (both U.S. citizens I presume) as two different and separate things just because your viewpoints differ.

I think it’s also sad that Mrs. C and other leftists like her are up in arms over ANYTHING that might be offensive to blacks - get that Aunt Jemima logo redone or well bankrupt your company!! - yet rally behind an antisemite from a Muslim country coming here and riling up even more violence against Jewish university students.

 

[toobfreak]

I’m not going to get side tracked on all this Biden stuff other than to say Biden was most certainly not pro-Hamas,

Just the other night, I listened to an ex-CIA officer and congressman expound on all of the things Biden did to make it impossible to fight Hamas. Joe Biden defended and financed Hamas.

Pro-Palestinian protestors have the same rights as any other group,

Any other group of visiting non-citizens.

they can protest anywhere any one else can.

Nope. The law does not permit anyone to protest anywhere and anyway. We are at war with Hamas, you see, that is the difference, so supporting them is supporting an enemy of our country and just making our job harder.

But you may have some merits to some of your arguments, I simply don't care because we have a million far more important things to deal with here at home. The world has spent the past what--- 80 years? and trillions of dollars wasted trying to seek peace in GAZA to no avail, every effort has been blocked, so it is time to punch the ticket and cash out. Game over. Oct. 7 was the ABSOLUTE LAST STRAW and IMO, the Israelis have already used far too much restraint.

ITMT, you don't see most of the rest of the world involved there or giving a damn.

Time to try a different solution to Gaza, break up the Palis and let them resolve themselves elsewhere in another way, remove Iran's nuclear ability and drop a MOAB on Hamas. Then the jackass traitor Joe Biden left 80 billion in weapons over in Afghanistan for them to all use for free and gave our military base we built to the Chinese. I'd bet good money that the Israelis can do a much better job developing and managing the region now than has been done by the Palis and Hamas.

Part of the problem is our own doing. Until oil was discovered in the M.E., Arabia was nothing but a bunch of camel and tent living Bedouins still living a near neolithic lifestyle. Putting trillions of dollars of wealth suddenly into their hands to manage has for the most part, not worked out too well.

Kinda hard to get along with someone who has sworn their life mission is your utter extinction.

 

[Lisa558]

Just the other night, I listened to an ex-CIA officer and congressman expound on all of the things Biden did to make it impossible to fight Hamas. Joe Biden defended and financed Hamas.


Any other group of visiting non-citizens.


Nope. The law does not permit anyone to protest anywhere and anyway. We are at war with Hamas, you see, that is the difference, so supporting them is supporting an enemy of our country and just making our job harder.

But you may have some merits to some of your arguments, I simply don't care because we have a million far more important things to deal with here at home. The world has spent the past what--- 80 years? and trillions of dollars wasted trying to seek peace in GAZA to no avail, every effort has been blocked, so it is time to punch the ticket and cash out. Game over. Oct. 7 was the ABSOLUTE LAST STRAW and IMO, the Israelis have already used far too much restraint.

ITMT, you don't see most of the rest of the world involved there or giving a damn.

Time to try a different solution to Gaza, break up the Palis and let them resolve themselves elsewhere in another way, remove Iran's nuclear ability and drop a MOAB on Hamas. Then the jackass traitor Joe Biden left 80 billion in weapons over in Afghanistan for them to all use for free and gave our military base we built to the Chinese. I'd bet good money that the Israelis can do a much better job developing and managing the region now than has been done by the Palis and Hamas.

Part of the problem is our own doing. Until oil was discovered in the M.E., Arabia was nothing but a bunch of camel and tent living Bedouins still living a near neolithic lifestyle. Putting trillions of dollars of wealth suddenly into their hands to manage has for the most part, not worked out too well.

Kinda hard to get along with someone who has sworn their life mission is your utter extinction.

I don’t know what she said, since she is no longer a mod and I can put her on ignore, but I sure like what YOU said.

And Israel has made land offers to the Palestinians, one offering them 95% of what they wanted. They turned it down. Why? It was conditioned on their accepting Israel’s right to exist, and they refused.

That’s because their main objective is NOT their own state. Their overriding objective is to wipe Israel off the map, and kill all her Jews.

 

[toobfreak]

I think it’s also sad that Mrs. C and other leftists like her are up in arms over ANYTHING that might be offensive to blacks - get that Aunt Jemima logo redone or well bankrupt your company!! - yet rally behind an antisemite from a Muslim country coming here and riling up even more violence against Jewish university students.

The solution in the M.E. as with Ukraine and Russia is for people to grow the fuck up, acknowledge that mistakes were made in getting here, but to put them aside now and grow to work together going forward for the common good of all.

But alas, humanity is still in its childhood.

 

[Lisa558]

The solution in the M.E. as with Ukraine and Russia is for people to grow the fuck up, acknowledge that mistakes were made in getting here, but to put them aside now and grow to work together going forward for the common good of all.

But alas, humanity is still in its childhood.

I don’t think the Palestinians will want to move forward, living peacefully with Israel. They have been too indoctrinated, which is why the vast majority cheered the Oct 7 massacre.

 

[toobfreak]

I don’t know what she said, since she is no longer a mod and I can put her on ignore, but I sure like what YOU said.

Mrs. C and I rarely agree, but I respect that she expatiates her viewpoints and defends them and sometimes I can see her POV whether I agree with it or not. I don't damn anyone for disagreeing with me, only when they refuse to support their position, so I give her credit for that. I respect a good argument. It is a good thing to constantly challege and question your own POV to be sure it holds up to examination. But when you disagree with a lot of people here and ask for them to support their position, all you get back from them is a .

And Israel has made land offers to the Palestinians, one offering them 95% of what they wanted. They turned it down. Why? It was conditioned on their accepting Israel’s right to exist, and they refused.

That has always been the problem. Back in the 1960s I think when Israel tried to settle the 2-state solution, the other Arab countries in the area all stepped in and refused. Had they agreed, the Palestinians today would have about 10X the land as in Gaza now.

That’s because their main objective is NOT their own state. Their overriding objective is to wipe Israel off the map, and kill all her Jews.

That seems to be their stated (loudly) objective, but that isn't going to happen.

 

[Robert W]

There is a lot to unpack here, but let’s start with Constitutional rights. It isn’t about defending aliens, it is about defending fundamental rights that apply to everyone on American soil:

Free speech
Legal representation
Equal protection

Either the president follows the law or the president makes the law. The latter is authoritarian.

Look, it took guts to announce in public you definitely protect the rights of illegal aliens to break existing laws of the feds and States. Really powerful of you to admit that.

 

[Correll]

Most of those arrested and “disappeared” by your buddies weren’t inciting violence against Jews nor supporting Hamas. One young woman simp.y co-wrote an editorial call for an end to the war in Gaza and supporting human rights for Palestinians.

Are you ok with this? Many Jews are not because they know how easily it can (and historically has) been turned against them.

Why would we invite people who hate US, to come here and live with US, and benefit from our institutions?

 

[Lisa558]

Why would we invite people who hate US, to come here and live with US, and benefit from our institutions?

Antisemitism is raging on college campuses as a result of all these “protests,” and leftists like Coyote defend it all as people just expressing their opinion. These foreigners are inciting more violence against Jews!

The Left says they are opposed to bigotry - but amazingly supportive of it when it comes to Jews.

 

[JoeB131]

There was an era where Democrats defended the United States of America. Today they defend illegal aliens. Even when illegal aliens cause enormous problems even at college, they don't defend Americans, they defend the aliens.

These Students are not "illegal aliens" they are legally here on Student Visas.

Free Speech isn't an enormous problem. If you disagree with what they have to say, make a counter argument.

then try to come up with one that doesn't make you sound like a racist twat-noodle who is okay with Genocide.

 

[JoeB131]

Amazing that a foreigner comes to our soil espousing hatred against America supporting a vile terrorist organization and sworn enemy of America while fomenting violence and you have a problem with removing these bad seeds as somehow some imposition on /their/ rights,

I'm sorry, I guess I don't see Israel's enemies as America's enemies. This is a fight we shouldn't be in evolved in at all, that's the thing.

yet were 100% silent when democrats in Colorado just criminalized people's free speech to post political memes, were 100% silent

You mean the people who intentionally violated election laws by pretending to be officials and posting the wrong date for the election? Those guys.

when the Biden Administration criminalized anyone questioning his election or the circumstances and details of his election, imprisoned Americans for years just for attending a protest denying them bail, charges, legal counsel and due process,

Uh, the only people who were imprisoned were those who stormed the Capitol and injured 140 Capitol Police officers who were just doing their jobs. The image of MAGA. A MAGAt beating a Capitol Police Officer with a Thin Blue Line Flag. OH, the irony.

and banned people asking about or questioning the Covid lockdowns, or when Obama harassed charged and threatened members of the press from investigating and reporting on his activities, or reporting any negative stories about Biden.

None of that happened, except in your fevered imagination. The only thing Obama did was investigate reporters who leaked classified information. Trump and his boys put the Classified info on Signal and loop Atlantic Reporters into the chat.

ITMT, people under Biden were getting arrested just for misgendering/using the wrong pronouns for some self-professed transgender.

Really, When did this happen? Now you are just making shit up.

Meanwhile, Biden created 17 laws in his first day in office, then pardoned his entire family against any and all unnamed crimes yet TBD for the whole past decade on his last day, but that wasn't authoritarian. Wow.

Um, no, it was a reasonable precaution against an incoming president who stated his intent to weaponize the DOJ.

 

[JoeB131]

WTH? We are talking about the Muslim FOREIGNER from Syria. This is not HIS country, and he is not welcome here when he is spreading HAMAS propaganda and riling up more violence against Jews.

Why are you so terrified of having Americans hear HAMAS' side of the story?

Chilling how tolerant you leftists are when the targets of hate are Jews. You’d be screaming holy hell if some foreigner came here from Europe, donned a KKK outfit, and starting ruling up (more) violence against blacks.

Well, if blacks started committing genocide in some foreign country, they'd probably have a legitimate complaint. you want to scream about "being mean to Jews" while ignoring the slaughter that has been going on in Gaza for nearly two years now. (Far worse than the inciting incident of Oct 7).

I think it’s also sad that Mrs. C and other leftists like her are up in arms over ANYTHING that might be offensive to blacks - get that Aunt Jemima logo redone or well bankrupt your company!! - yet rally behind an antisemite from a Muslim country coming here and riling up even more violence against Jewish university students.

For the Record, if any company tried to sell a product by using a truly offensive caricature of a Jewish person, I would be the first person to protest it.

Not sure why you are trying to compare apples and oranges here, Lisa. Protesting an offensive caricature (and it took something like 60 years to get it finally removed) is a lot different than protesting FUCKING GENOCIDE.

I don’t know what she said, since she is no longer a mod and I can put her on ignore, but I sure like what YOU said.

And Israel has made land offers to the Palestinians, one offering them 95% of what they wanted. They turned it down. Why? It was conditioned on their accepting Israel’s right to exist, and they refused.

Um, what they want are for the Zionists to go back to Europe where they came from. Now, if 95% of you went back to Europe, that would be fine.

The problem with a two-state solution is that it accepts the initial theft of Palestinian Land. This is why it's a non-starter for most Palestinians.

Antisemitism is raging on college campuses as a result of all these “protests,” and leftists like Coyote defend it all as people just expressing their opinion. These foreigners are inciting more violence against Jews!

No, protests are happening because the Israelis are committing GENOCIDE. that's why there are protests. It amazes me you keep getting that wrong.

Genocide doesn't become okay when you are doing it.

 

[toobfreak]

Antisemitism is raging on college campuses as a result of all these “protests,”

What I don't get is this:

• What goes on in Israel has nothing to do with anything here. That stuff is 12,000 miles away!
• This may be the first time in history where a nation is brutally attacked, savagely targeting innocent civilians, then the victim of the attack is blamed instead of the attackers.
• I'm pretty neutral towards jewish people; I wonder how a TV show like 'Seinfeld' (which I loved) would fare if airing today?
• Many of the people over in Israel itself (or here) do not agree with everything that Bibi is doing or has done.
• Whatever goes on over there now is the actions of the Israeli government, not the people there nor just ethnically-related people here.
• Just whatever did the Jews do to these college kids here just out of high school to make them feel so strongly against Jews (or for Palestinians) so early in life?
• Where are the protests/hatred against Hamas? Do any of these kids ever check out some of the things Hamas has done?
• All these kids so concerned for the "extermination" of Palestinians, where were they when China invaded Tibet and has since essentially destroyed Tibetan culture?
• IMO, no kid in college becomes this politically and emotionally polarized that many risk arrest, going to jail or expulsion from school over Jews without a lot of input/help from the university itself--- someone must be feeding/programming these kids.

 

[Lisa558]

What I don't get is this:

• What goes on in Israel has nothing to do with anything here. That stuff is 12,000 miles away!

True.

• This may be the first time in history where a nation is brutally attacked, savagely targeting innocent civilians, then the victim of the attack is blamed instead of the attackers.

Also true. Shows how eager the antisemites are to pounce.

• I'm pretty neutral towards jewish people; I wonder how a TV show like 'Seinfeld' (which I loved) would fare if airing today?

It would never air. Or worse, it WOULD air - and show Jews to be hateful, terrible people.

• Many of the people over in Israel itself (or here) do not agree with everything that Bibi is doing or has done.

Also true.

• Whatever goes on over there now is the actions of the Israeli government, not the people there nor just ethnically-related people here.

Yes. But the fact that Jewish kids are being assaulted shows that there IS a connection between criticizing Israel and antisemitism. Otherwise, why would Jews be targeted?

• Just whatever did the Jews do to these college kids here just out of high school to make them feel so strongly against Jews (or for Palestinians) so early in life?

Scary. They’re one step removed from Hitler’s Youth.

• Where are the protests/hatred against Hamas? Do any of these kids ever check out some of the things Hamas has done?

Yup. And in fact, the opposite happened. Not only did these people NOT protest against HAMAS, they actively tried to hide what savages they are. The photos of the hostages displayed in NY, for example, were immediately ripped down.

• All these kids so concerned for the "extermination" of Palestinians, where were they when China invaded Tibet and has since essentially destroyed Tibetan culture?

Yes again. That’s the double standard in play that tells you that antisemitism is the driving force behind all this.

• IMO, no kid in college becomes this politically and emotionally polarized that many risk arrest, going to jail or expulsion from school over Jews without a lot of input/help from the university itself--- someone must be feeding/programming these kids.

Yup. And that’s due to the infiltration of the Muslim idelogy, and professors, and administrators in these colleges - all due to the billions the Arabs are funneling in. My friend’s daughter went to her freshman orientation - you remember, that’s when we learned about clubs, campus locations, dining hall hours, etc. - and she was handed an anti-Israel pamphlet by one of the Palestinian clubs.

 

[DBA]

These Students are not "illegal aliens" they are legally here on Student Visas.

Therein lies the first problem. Universities should not be allowing students like this in on student Visas. The Biden Administration even admitted that Iran was sponsoring many of the students coming in. They have infiltrated many of our top universities and the faculty.