Judge Reminds RNC That Riot Was Not 'Legitimate Political Discourse'

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I completely support the occupation of congress.

You are insane.

Whatever one’s unwarranted hostility toward the political process, ‘occupying’ Congress is a lawless act of terrorism and treason.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Look here, get it straight, America is a Republic....Not a Democracy....The only thing we use a democratic process for is electing our leaders....That you want to label this country as a Democracy is a purposeful shift away from America being a Constitutional Republic, and won't work.

The 1/6 rightwing terrorist attack on America’s democracy was a lawless act of treason by conservatives.

That conservatives support and defend that act of terrorism and treason is further proof of the right’s contempt for the Constitution, the rule of law, our democratic institutions, and the will of the people.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Yes, I think it is very possible the car driver deliberately took a route in order to try to diminish the demonstration.
And no I do not think any driver had more right to that road than the demonstrators did.

But I do not have enough information to be sure.

What is the purpose of that road?

Was it built to be used as a gathering place for subhuman criminal pieces of shit to riot and to attack human beings, or was it meant to be a part of a route for motorists getting from one place to another?

Really, as I said before, it seems that one's perception here depends on whether one is on the side of human beings, or on the side of subhuman criminal shit.

I guess it's clear enough on which side you are.

 

[j-mac]

The 1/6 rightwing terrorist attack on America’s democracy was a lawless act of treason by conservatives.

That conservatives support and defend that act of terrorism and treason is further proof of the right’s contempt for the Constitution, the rule of law, our democratic institutions, and the will of the people.

The mistake you are making here is in dishonestly trying to establish that ALL Republicans agreed with the idiots and their actions on 1/6.

You want to label that riot as “Treasonous“, while turning a blind eye to the multiple riots, and actual annexing of a portion of Washington state as perfectly fine…

The ”will of the people“ will be displayed for you come November…Will you accept the outcome? Or only if you win?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The 1/6 rightwing terrorist attack on America’s democracy was a lawless act of treason by conservatives.

That conservatives support and defend that act of terrorism and treason is further proof of the right’s contempt for the Constitution, the rule of law, our democratic institutions, and the will of the people.

I have no idea what to make of that event, but whatever they were trying to do, they did not do so representing any mainstream element of conservatism.

 

[j-mac]

You are insane.

Whatever one’s unwarranted hostility toward the political process, ‘occupying’ Congress is a lawless act of terrorism and treason.

Unless Democrat progressives do it.

 

[dudmuck]

Look here, get it straight, America is a Republic....Not a Democracy....The only thing we use a democratic process for is electing our leaders....That you want to label this country as a Democracy is a purposeful shift away from America being a Constitutional Republic, and won't work.

The Constitution established a Federal democratic republic. It is the system of the Federal Government; it is democratic because the people govern themselves; and it is a republic because the Government's power is derived from its people.

 

[Oldestyle]

What did the founders say about an insurrection to overthrow a legitimate presidential election?

I think the Founders would be amused by your claim that a protest by unarmed citizens that didn't even last 24 hours was an "insurrection", Lakhota!

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The Constitution established a Federal democratic republic. It is the system of the Federal Government; it is democratic because the people govern themselves; and it is a republic because the Government's power is derived from its people.

Can you produce any credible account of an event in which mobs of Trump supporters assaulted a police officer in the manner depicted in the cartoon?

Can you produce any credible account of an event in which mobs of Trump supporters behaved in any manner similar to how we saw mobs of subhuman criminal Black LIES Matter filth behaving on many occasions over the last few years?

I didn't think so. Your cartoon is a lie, and you know damn well that it's a lie.

But then lying is what you do. It's what you are.

 

[j-mac]

The Constitution established a Federal democratic republic. It is the system of the Federal Government; it is democratic because the people govern themselves; and it is a republic because the Government's power is derived from its people.

Wrong…We are a Constitutional Republic. We elect representatives by a democratic system, for our representatives to govern. You did get right that their power is derived from the people, and the people can take that power away.

 

[dudmuck]

Wrong…We are a Constitutional Republic. We elect representatives by a democratic system, for our representatives to govern. You did get right that their power is derived from the people, and the people can take that power away.

if the people can take it away, then the power is with the people, aka a democracy

here is the description of it, it applies so several countries including USA

Constitutional Democracy

Part One: Essential Elements Part Two: Indices PRELIMINARY DRAFT FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT These outlines are works in progress that have been developed by st...

www.civiced.org

 

[j-mac]

if the people can take it away, then the power is with the people, aka a democracy

here is the description of it, it applies so several countries including USA

Constitutional Democracy

Part One: Essential Elements Part Two: Indices PRELIMINARY DRAFT FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT These outlines are works in progress that have been developed by st...

www.civiced.org

"Is America a Democracy or a Republic
America is a Republic. Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution states, “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.” Yet many people often mistakenly refer to America as a democracy.
One of the most glaring examples of this misperception was made by Hilary Clinton in a debate with Donald Trump, when she accused him of “talking down our democracy.”
In a democracy, all laws and decisions of government are made by the majority. This is not how the United States is governed.

The key difference between a democracy and a republic lies in the limits placed on those in the government by the law. In a republic there exists a constitution, or charter of rights, to protect certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away— even if a majority of voters demand it.
For Americans these protections include individual, minority, and states rights. In a “pure democracy,” the majority is not restrained in this way and can impose its will on any group with less votes."

Is America a Democracy or a Republic | Foundations Of Liberty

America is a Republic. The Constitution itself states, “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.” Yet many people often mistakenly refer to America as a democracy. One of the most glaring examples of this misperception was made by Hilary...

foundationsofliberty.org

 

[Rigby5]

That conservatives lie about the 1/6 rightwing terrorist attack on America’s democracy as being ‘legitimate political discourse’ is further proof of the right’s contempt for the rule of law and our democratic institutions.

When there is no media access, no adequate representation, etc., then civil disobedience is essential and is legitimate political discourse.
The Jan 6 demonstrators were only trying to be heard.
They were not injuring, killing, shooting, stabbing, trying to burn anything down, etc.

They were ignorant in my opinion, but within their legal rights, in response to a lack of accountability.

 

[Rigby5]

Look here, get it straight, America is a Republic....Not a Democracy....The only thing we use a democratic process for is electing our leaders....That you want to label this country as a Democracy is a purposeful shift away from America being a Constitutional Republic, and won't work.

That is not entirely true.
The US is supposed to still be a form of democracy as well.
It is not like the original Greek democracy in Athens, where everyone voted directly.
It is representative instead, but that may be what is wrong.
The representatives are rigged, liars, and crooks, being controlled by the wealthy elite.
Demos is still "the people" and "the will of the people" is still supposed to be what is implemented, even in a constitutional republic.
Maybe we need to go back to the demos of democracy?

 

[Rigby5]

"Is America a Democracy or a Republic
America is a Republic. Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution states, “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.” Yet many people often mistakenly refer to America as a democracy.
One of the most glaring examples of this misperception was made by Hilary Clinton in a debate with Donald Trump, when she accused him of “talking down our democracy.”
In a democracy, all laws and decisions of government are made by the majority. This is not how the United States is governed.

The key difference between a democracy and a republic lies in the limits placed on those in the government by the law. In a republic there exists a constitution, or charter of rights, to protect certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away— even if a majority of voters demand it.
For Americans these protections include individual, minority, and states rights. In a “pure democracy,” the majority is not restrained in this way and can impose its will on any group with less votes."

Is America a Democracy or a Republic | Foundations Of Liberty

America is a Republic. The Constitution itself states, “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.” Yet many people often mistakenly refer to America as a democracy. One of the most glaring examples of this misperception was made by Hilary...

foundationsofliberty.org

But the US has ignored the constitution for over 100 years.
For example, the federal gun laws in 1927 are totally against the constitution.
So is the War on Drugs, mandated sentence, asset forfeiture, etc.
The US has not been a constitutional republic for a century at least.
In fact, it likely never was, given Manifest Destiny, the Mexican wars, treaty violations against natives, the Spanish American War, the Monroe Doctrine, etc.
Pure democracy runs the risk of mob rule, but corrupt authoritarian rule we have now is likely much worse.

 

[Rigby5]

You are insane.

Whatever one’s unwarranted hostility toward the political process, ‘occupying’ Congress is a lawless act of terrorism and treason.

Congress is not the "political process"., but is liars, thieves, murderers, and crooks.
Why else would we murder half a million innocent Iraqis based on lies about WMD?
And clearly "Shock and Awe" was a horrendous war crime.
It is not legal to target civilian infrastructure.
Its a war crime.

 

[Rigby5]

I have no idea what to make of that event, but whatever they were trying to do, they did not do so representing any mainstream element of conservatism.

Does not matter what the size of the group they represented was.
They thought they were having their rights violated, so were justified in what they responded with.
The fact they were wrong is not relevant to their justifications.

 

[j-mac]

But the US has ignored the constitution for over 100 years.
For example, the federal gun laws in 1927 are totally against the constitution.
So is the War on Drugs, mandated sentence, asset forfeiture, etc.
The US has not been a constitutional republic for a century at least.
In fact, it likely never was, given Manifest Destiny, the Mexican wars, treaty violations against natives, the Spanish American War, the Monroe Doctrine, etc.
Pure democracy runs the risk of mob rule, but corrupt authoritarian rule we have now is likely much worse.

So, just throw it away? I’ll agree that in history America has not always strictly adhered to their Constitutional restraints, but does that mean its over?
No, we have to fight to get back to small, Constitutional government. That’s what Conservatism is all about.

 

[pknopp]

But the US has ignored the constitution for over 100 years.
For example, the federal gun laws in 1927 are totally against the constitution.
So is the War on Drugs, mandated sentence, asset forfeiture, etc.
The US has not been a constitutional republic for a century at least.
In fact, it likely never was, given Manifest Destiny, the Mexican wars, treaty violations against natives, the Spanish American War, the Monroe Doctrine, etc.
Pure democracy runs the risk of mob rule, but corrupt authoritarian rule we have now is likely much worse.

While I agree with your argument that the people should take the government back over, unfortunately the ones who have attempted to do so would only double down on many of the things you note are wrong.

 

[Rigby5]

So, just throw it away? I’ll agree that in history America has not always strictly adhered to their Constitutional restraints, but does that mean its over?
No, we have to fight to get back to small, Constitutional government. That’s what Conservatism is all about.

Fine.
Conservatism over constitutional interpretation is great.
But that does not at all conflict with liberal and progressive reform on the state level, to provide all workers with protection from abusive multi national corporations, like collective bargaining, health care access guarantees, media coverage guarantees to all political views, etc.
The wealthy elite can and have used their wealth to turn this country back into a feudal system.
For example, the population should have learned from Vietnam, that the military industrial complex pushes bad wars.
But when it came to WMD lies about Iraq, the media did it to us all over again.
And it is we who pay for those needless and immoral wars, and it is young innocent people we send off to die for those corporate profits.

Conservatism on the constitutional level is great, but conservatives also tend to then try to control everything, like the War on Drugs.
While that started by Clinton, the conservatives tend to have too much of a religious belief about what all people should or should not do, and that is dangerous.
Clearly both democrats and republicans are responsible for the US having the largest % imprisoned in the whole world, and that has to end.
Real conservatives should know that government can not dictate things like drug use, that harms no one else.