Josh Duggar And The Message Of Forgiveness

[Luddly Neddite]

if you can't see the hypocrisy of a child molester POLITICALLY pontificating over what is supposedly harmful to children, i don't know what to tell you... you are blinded by your own agenda..


any knucklehead sinner can "denounce sin" - Jesus said we are ALL sinners, i'm surprised you didn't realize.

the man you defend here is the one who actively seeks to demonize and marginalize people.

interesting how you can 'forgive' HIM his 'sins' but not those of us in this thread who think that Jesus Christ himself would not approve of Duggar's harmful and hypocritical agenda to marginalize certain 'sinners' in our society.


political agendas seek to make laws that are entirely separate from religious notions of "sin" or "forgiveness"

what will your version of Christian "forgiveness" do for the marginalized victims - aka the selected 'sinners' - ?

hiding behind religious notions of "forgiveness" whenever it is politically convenient might make self righteous people feel good about themselves, but most rational people recognize the misguided hypocrisy of his hateful agenda, thank God.

You already have him condemned as a child molester without any facts or proof other than what the media has put out.
We as a country are suppose to be about innocent until proven guilty.

He issued a statement a couple of weeks ago admitting it.

He and his family have never said that he was a molester, it is everyone else who has with no real facts at all.
What he said was;
"Twelve years ago, as a young teenager, I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret," the 27-year-old said. "I hurt others, including my family and close friends. I confessed this to my parents who took several steps to help me address the situation. We spoke with the authorities where I confessed my wrongdoing, and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling. I understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life."

Many have him condemned as still possibly molesting children and there is no proof at all that he has.

Maybe he was confessing to looking cross eyed at Jesus.

He confessed to feeling up his sisters and one baby sitter not molesting.

Here we go again with Peach desperately saying it wasn't "molestation".

Yes it was.

He issued a statement a couple of weeks ago admitting it.

He and his family have never said that he was a molester, it is everyone else who has with no real facts at all.
What he said was;
"Twelve years ago, as a young teenager, I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret," the 27-year-old said. "I hurt others, including my family and close friends. I confessed this to my parents who took several steps to help me address the situation. We spoke with the authorities where I confessed my wrongdoing, and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling. I understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life."

Many have him condemned as still possibly molesting children and there is no proof at all that he has.

Maybe he was confessing to looking cross eyed at Jesus.

He confessed to feeling up his sisters and one baby sitter not molesting.

Ah....Peach. Feeling up children's genitals is, in fact, the definition of child molesting......

Child Molestation legal definition of Child Molestation

Child molestation is a crime involving a range of indecent or sexual activities between an adult and a child, usually under the age of 14. In psychiatric terms, these acts are sometimes known as pedophilia. It is important, however, to keep in mind that child molestation and child Sexual Abuse refer to specific, legally defined actions. They do not necessarily imply that the perpetrator bears a particular psychological makeup or motive. For example, not all incidents of child molestation are perpetrated by pedophiles; sometimes the perpetrator has other motives for his or her actions and does not manifest an ongoing pattern of sexual attraction to children. Thus, not all child molestation is perpetrated by pedophiles, and not all pedophiles actually commit child molestation.

And now she's says its his motives that we should consider instead of his serial molestations over a period of several years.

You people are just sick.

If sicko Duggars were lefties, you'd be looking for a rope.

If all of Duggar's victims were fetuses, you'd be looking for a rope.

RWs can try to hide pedos but decent people will not give up bringing them to justice and stipping them from molesting more children.

 

[TrinityPower]

I'm glad that Jesus has forgiven Duggar.

I'm not Jesus.

I'd like to see him wear the label of "child molester" for the rest of his life, like anyone else who has been convicted of the crime. That would include his registering his address within every municipality and state in which he resides.

I'm still wondering why people are claiming that Jesus has forgiven him.

What I was taught is that you must repent if you want forgiveness. I have seen no repenting but rather a years long cover up. That also applies to the parents.

he needs professional help, not just 'forgiveness' from like-minded enablers...

In the interview given by his parents, he did get professional counseling as did the sisters an other girl not named. Beyond that he was taken from the home to spend some time in a rehab type program then after that he was taken to police and confessed what he did as well. How much more should a boy who was 14 at the time pay for what he did? In the scheme of things I think most teen boys try to do a lot more than what he did on girls as under age as himself was

 

[chikenwing]

You already have him condemned as a child molester without any facts or proof other than what the media has put out.
We as a country are suppose to be about innocent until proven guilty.

He issued a statement a couple of weeks ago admitting it.

He and his family have never said that he was a molester, it is everyone else who has with no real facts at all.
What he said was;
"Twelve years ago, as a young teenager, I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret," the 27-year-old said. "I hurt others, including my family and close friends. I confessed this to my parents who took several steps to help me address the situation. We spoke with the authorities where I confessed my wrongdoing, and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling. I understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life."

Many have him condemned as still possibly molesting children and there is no proof at all that he has.

Maybe he was confessing to looking cross eyed at Jesus.

He confessed to feeling up his sisters and one baby sitter not molesting.

Here we go again with Peach desperately saying it wasn't "molestation".

Yes it was.

He and his family have never said that he was a molester, it is everyone else who has with no real facts at all.
What he said was;
"Twelve years ago, as a young teenager, I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret," the 27-year-old said. "I hurt others, including my family and close friends. I confessed this to my parents who took several steps to help me address the situation. We spoke with the authorities where I confessed my wrongdoing, and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling. I understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life."

Many have him condemned as still possibly molesting children and there is no proof at all that he has.

Maybe he was confessing to looking cross eyed at Jesus.

He confessed to feeling up his sisters and one baby sitter not molesting.

Ah....Peach. Feeling up children's genitals is, in fact, the definition of child molesting......

Child Molestation legal definition of Child Molestation

Child molestation is a crime involving a range of indecent or sexual activities between an adult and a child, usually under the age of 14. In psychiatric terms, these acts are sometimes known as pedophilia. It is important, however, to keep in mind that child molestation and child Sexual Abuse refer to specific, legally defined actions. They do not necessarily imply that the perpetrator bears a particular psychological makeup or motive. For example, not all incidents of child molestation are perpetrated by pedophiles; sometimes the perpetrator has other motives for his or her actions and does not manifest an ongoing pattern of sexual attraction to children. Thus, not all child molestation is perpetrated by pedophiles, and not all pedophiles actually commit child molestation.

And now she's says its his motives that we should consider instead of his serial molestations over a period of several years.

You people are just sick.

If sicko Duggars were lefties, you'd be looking for a rope.

If all of Duggar's victims were fetuses, you'd be looking for a rope.

RWs can try to hide pedos but decent people will not give up bringing them to justice and stipping them from molesting more children.

While they in fact were still children got it,no surprise from the group that has no problem killing children.

 

[chikenwing]

You already have him condemned as a child molester without any facts or proof other than what the media has put out.
We as a country are suppose to be about innocent until proven guilty.

He issued a statement a couple of weeks ago admitting it.

He and his family have never said that he was a molester, it is everyone else who has with no real facts at all.
What he said was;
"Twelve years ago, as a young teenager, I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret," the 27-year-old said. "I hurt others, including my family and close friends. I confessed this to my parents who took several steps to help me address the situation. We spoke with the authorities where I confessed my wrongdoing, and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling. I understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life."

Many have him condemned as still possibly molesting children and there is no proof at all that he has.

Maybe he was confessing to looking cross eyed at Jesus.

He confessed to feeling up his sisters and one baby sitter not molesting.

Here we go again with Peach desperately saying it wasn't "molestation".

Yes it was.

He and his family have never said that he was a molester, it is everyone else who has with no real facts at all.
What he said was;
"Twelve years ago, as a young teenager, I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret," the 27-year-old said. "I hurt others, including my family and close friends. I confessed this to my parents who took several steps to help me address the situation. We spoke with the authorities where I confessed my wrongdoing, and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling. I understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life."

Many have him condemned as still possibly molesting children and there is no proof at all that he has.

Maybe he was confessing to looking cross eyed at Jesus.

He confessed to feeling up his sisters and one baby sitter not molesting.

Ah....Peach. Feeling up children's genitals is, in fact, the definition of child molesting......

Child Molestation legal definition of Child Molestation

Child molestation is a crime involving a range of indecent or sexual activities between an adult and a child, usually under the age of 14. In psychiatric terms, these acts are sometimes known as pedophilia. It is important, however, to keep in mind that child molestation and child Sexual Abuse refer to specific, legally defined actions. They do not necessarily imply that the perpetrator bears a particular psychological makeup or motive. For example, not all incidents of child molestation are perpetrated by pedophiles; sometimes the perpetrator has other motives for his or her actions and does not manifest an ongoing pattern of sexual attraction to children. Thus, not all child molestation is perpetrated by pedophiles, and not all pedophiles actually commit child molestation.

And now she's says its his motives that we should consider instead of his serial molestations over a period of several years.

You people are just sick.

If sicko Duggars were lefties, you'd be looking for a rope.

If all of Duggar's victims were fetuses, you'd be looking for a rope.

RWs can try to hide pedos but decent people will not give up bringing them to justice and stipping them from molesting more children.

Your not a decent person,your fake butt hurt is noted.this pathological obsesion people like your self have for these people is motivated not over concern for children,but purly political in nature no matter how much you lie about it.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Btw I've defended people far worse than Josh Duggar. One of the realities of being a defense attorney.

You guys think I should.be ashamed of that. I don't. Christ defends all sinners. We should take a page from his book and seek to heal both victims and sinners. Because sooner or later we will be the sinners. And because quite frankly this world needs the light and healing of the atonement.

You a defense attorney?

You have never posted anything that would indicate any knowledge of the law. In fact, the only law you seem to know about is your own cult's.

How does your god feel about you lying?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I'm glad that Jesus has forgiven Duggar.

I'm not Jesus.

I'd like to see him wear the label of "child molester" for the rest of his life, like anyone else who has been convicted of the crime. That would include his registering his address within every municipality and state in which he resides.

I'm still wondering why people are claiming that Jesus has forgiven him.

What I was taught is that you must repent if you want forgiveness. I have seen no repenting but rather a years long cover up. That also applies to the parents.

he needs professional help, not just 'forgiveness' from like-minded enablers...

In the interview given by his parents, he did get professional counseling as did the sisters an other girl not named. Beyond that he was taken from the home to spend some time in a rehab type program then after that he was taken to police and confessed what he did as well. How much more should a boy who was 14 at the time pay for what he did? In the scheme of things I think most teen boys try to do a lot more than what he did on girls as under age as himself was

I see you're still not concerned about facts. The last time on record, he was 17 and I don't consider time spent with a kiddie pornographer as "professional help" but maybe he was helping Josh with a different profession, as it were.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

He issued a statement a couple of weeks ago admitting it.

He and his family have never said that he was a molester, it is everyone else who has with no real facts at all.
What he said was;
"Twelve years ago, as a young teenager, I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret," the 27-year-old said. "I hurt others, including my family and close friends. I confessed this to my parents who took several steps to help me address the situation. We spoke with the authorities where I confessed my wrongdoing, and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling. I understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life."

Many have him condemned as still possibly molesting children and there is no proof at all that he has.

Maybe he was confessing to looking cross eyed at Jesus.

He confessed to feeling up his sisters and one baby sitter not molesting.

Here we go again with Peach desperately saying it wasn't "molestation".

Yes it was.

Maybe he was confessing to looking cross eyed at Jesus.

He confessed to feeling up his sisters and one baby sitter not molesting.

Ah....Peach. Feeling up children's genitals is, in fact, the definition of child molesting......

Child Molestation legal definition of Child Molestation

Child molestation is a crime involving a range of indecent or sexual activities between an adult and a child, usually under the age of 14. In psychiatric terms, these acts are sometimes known as pedophilia. It is important, however, to keep in mind that child molestation and child Sexual Abuse refer to specific, legally defined actions. They do not necessarily imply that the perpetrator bears a particular psychological makeup or motive. For example, not all incidents of child molestation are perpetrated by pedophiles; sometimes the perpetrator has other motives for his or her actions and does not manifest an ongoing pattern of sexual attraction to children. Thus, not all child molestation is perpetrated by pedophiles, and not all pedophiles actually commit child molestation.

And now she's says its his motives that we should consider instead of his serial molestations over a period of several years.

You people are just sick.

If sicko Duggars were lefties, you'd be looking for a rope.

If all of Duggar's victims were fetuses, you'd be looking for a rope.

RWs can try to hide pedos but decent people will not give up bringing them to justice and stipping them from molesting more children.

While they in fact were still children got it,no surprise from the group that has no problem killing children.

He issued a statement a couple of weeks ago admitting it.

He and his family have never said that he was a molester, it is everyone else who has with no real facts at all.
What he said was;
"Twelve years ago, as a young teenager, I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret," the 27-year-old said. "I hurt others, including my family and close friends. I confessed this to my parents who took several steps to help me address the situation. We spoke with the authorities where I confessed my wrongdoing, and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling. I understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life."

Many have him condemned as still possibly molesting children and there is no proof at all that he has.

Maybe he was confessing to looking cross eyed at Jesus.

He confessed to feeling up his sisters and one baby sitter not molesting.

Here we go again with Peach desperately saying it wasn't "molestation".

Yes it was.

Maybe he was confessing to looking cross eyed at Jesus.

He confessed to feeling up his sisters and one baby sitter not molesting.

Ah....Peach. Feeling up children's genitals is, in fact, the definition of child molesting......

Child Molestation legal definition of Child Molestation

Child molestation is a crime involving a range of indecent or sexual activities between an adult and a child, usually under the age of 14. In psychiatric terms, these acts are sometimes known as pedophilia. It is important, however, to keep in mind that child molestation and child Sexual Abuse refer to specific, legally defined actions. They do not necessarily imply that the perpetrator bears a particular psychological makeup or motive. For example, not all incidents of child molestation are perpetrated by pedophiles; sometimes the perpetrator has other motives for his or her actions and does not manifest an ongoing pattern of sexual attraction to children. Thus, not all child molestation is perpetrated by pedophiles, and not all pedophiles actually commit child molestation.

And now she's says its his motives that we should consider instead of his serial molestations over a period of several years.

You people are just sick.

If sicko Duggars were lefties, you'd be looking for a rope.

If all of Duggar's victims were fetuses, you'd be looking for a rope.

RWs can try to hide pedos but decent people will not give up bringing them to justice and stipping them from molesting more children.

Your not a decent person,your fake butt hurt is noted.this pathological obsesion people like your self have for these people is motivated not over concern for children,but purly political in nature no matter how much you lie about it.

chikenwing

Your almost-graduation from grade school is failing you cuz, dood, you are functionally illiterate.

But, its true that I am obsessed with protecting children. If you don't like it, you don't have to read my posts.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Btw I've defended people far worse than Josh Duggar. One of the realities of being a defense attorney.

You guys think I should.be ashamed of that. I don't. Christ defends all sinners. We should take a page from his book and seek to heal both victims and sinners. Because sooner or later we will be the sinners. And because quite frankly this world needs the light and healing of the atonement.

All criminals are entitled to a lawyer to defend them and yes, that includes pedophiles.

But I am having a really hard time picturing you as a defense attorney.

Something to do with making a coherent argument. It is the sort of thing I would expect from anyone who earns a living by arguing about the law.

No offense intended but I am just not seeing that skill in your posts.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

I was responding to someone else who mentioned it but you're probably right. Michael (OP) used to be Catholic but he said in his post he is now believing on Jesus Christ for his salvation and knows his sins were washed away (not exact words but it sounded like he got saved) so he must have left Catholicism. I'm happy for him and hope many more will receive Christ and get out of the old religious systems and religions where there is no life. They are broken cisterns and it is only in Jesus Christ that we can receive the rivers of living waters which will sustain us.

You couldn't be more wrong, and your error stems from your wrong-headedness and fleshly bigotry. And this development throws into a sinister light your recent solicitude; that suddenly you warm up to me on the presumption that I left the Catholic Church. The only conflict between my OP and the Catholic Church exists in your warped little head, the hate you harbor in your heart waxing so hot you can't control it.

And this also validates my working theory about you. I have no doubt that you're Christian, but one that harbors a serious mental illness. There have been studies of the traits that indicate a mentally disturbed religious person. There are two traits that I've observed from you.

One they practice an austere and intemperate form of religion, quick to pronounce judgment, and with a lone wolf mentality that sees everyone who doesn't agree with their very strict interpretations as enemies. There is no grace, no tolerance for varying points of view, no humility, and none of the even keeled mind that people expect from healthy minded religious people. Rachel Weaver from the Ruby Ridge incident is a good example of what happens when crazy meets religion.

The second trait is a belief that God is incessantly talking to them; that anything and everything is a sign. Many even believe that God has a special calling on them to be his own special prophet, and they deliver terse messages of condemnation like the prophets of the Old Testament. Some will be disruptive during church services, interrupting it to upbraid those they feel have gone astray from pure doctrine. They exercise spiritual gifts heavily, seeing themselves as instruments of divine revelation and creating the image of being more spiritual than others. They become nearly intolerable to the churches they attend and often hop from one church to another, taking the irritation of the pastor and congregation as evidence that the church has been corrupted by Satan.

Your self delusion that I had left the Catholic Church when I had given not the remotest evidence to support that confirmed what I suspected about you all along.

Sane Christians are not haughty like you are. They love Jesus and are certain only about a few simple truths, but are humble enough to acknowledge they don't know everything, especially when it comes to salvation, who is Christian, and which Christian tradition is the "correct" one. I know Evangelical Christians well and they don't think like you do...except perhaps the ones who also suffer in their mental health. While they maintain disagreements with certain teachings of the Catholic Church, they see in it the baptism, faith, and hope they share in common with the same Lord Jesus Christ. They strive for unity, not division, and they see in the Catholic Church brothers and sisters in Christ.

And the sad thing is, Satan has a field day with people like you, taking full advantage of your imbalanced thinking and using the opportunity to fill your head with compelling delusions and hate. Nobody ever claimed he played fair. But that's how it is. Your post comes across like a slap in the face, but at least I understand you aren't well and therefore I can have compassion. This is very disappointing. I was truly hoping you were sincere.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I was responding to someone else who mentioned it but you're probably right. Michael (OP) used to be Catholic but he said in his post he is now believing on Jesus Christ for his salvation and knows his sins were washed away (not exact words but it sounded like he got saved) so he must have left Catholicism. I'm happy for him and hope many more will receive Christ and get out of the old religious systems and religions where there is no life. They are broken cisterns and it is only in Jesus Christ that we can receive the rivers of living waters which will sustain us.

You couldn't be more wrong, and your error stems from your wrong-headedness and fleshly bigotry. And this development throws into a sinister light your recent solicitude; that suddenly you warm up to me on the presumption that I left the Catholic Church. The only conflict between my OP and the Catholic Church exists in your warped little head, the hate you harbor in your heart waxing so hot you can't control it.

And this also validates my working theory about you. I have no doubt that you're Christian, but one that harbors a serious mental illness. There have been studies of the traits that indicate a mentally disturbed religious person. There are two traits that I've observed from you.

One they practice an austere and intemperate form of religion, quick to pronounce judgment, and with a lone wolf mentality that sees everyone who doesn't agree with their very strict interpretations as enemies. There is no grace, no tolerance for varying points of view, no humility, and none of the even keeled mind that people expect from healthy minded religious people. Rachel Weaver from the Ruby Ridge incident is a good example of what happens when crazy meets religion.

The second trait is a belief that God is incessantly talking to them; that anything and everything is a sign. Many even believe that God has a special calling on them to be his own special prophet, and they deliver terse messages of condemnation like the prophets of the Old Testament. Some will be disruptive during church services, interrupting it to upbraid those they feel have gone astray from pure doctrine. They exercise spiritual gifts heavily, seeing themselves as instruments of divine revelation and creating the image of being more spiritual than others. They become nearly intolerable to the churches they attend and often hop from one church to another, taking the irritation of the pastor and congregation as evidence that the church has been corrupted by Satan.

Your self delusion that I had left the Catholic Church when I had given not the remotest evidence to support that confirmed what I suspected about you all along.

Sane Christians are not haughty like you are. They love Jesus and are certain only about a few simple truths, but are humble enough to acknowledge they don't know everything, especially when it comes to salvation, who is Christian, and which Christian tradition is the "correct" one. I know Evangelical Christians well and they don't think like you do...except perhaps the ones who also suffer in their mental health. While they maintain disagreements with certain teachings of the Catholic Church, they see in it the baptism, faith, and hope they share in common with the same Lord Jesus Christ. They strive for unity, not division, and they see in the Catholic Church brothers and sisters in Christ.

And the sad thing is, Satan has a field day with people like you, taking full advantage of your imbalanced thinking and using the opportunity to fill your head with compelling delusions and hate. Nobody ever claimed he played fair. But that's how it is. Your post comes across like a slap in the face, but at least I understand you aren't well and therefore I can have compassion. This is very disappointing. I was truly hoping you were sincere.

Buy a mirror and take a good, long, HONEST look.

 

[Derideo_Te]

I was responding to someone else who mentioned it but you're probably right. Michael (OP) used to be Catholic but he said in his post he is now believing on Jesus Christ for his salvation and knows his sins were washed away (not exact words but it sounded like he got saved) so he must have left Catholicism. I'm happy for him and hope many more will receive Christ and get out of the old religious systems and religions where there is no life. They are broken cisterns and it is only in Jesus Christ that we can receive the rivers of living waters which will sustain us.

You couldn't be more wrong, and your error stems from your wrong-headedness and fleshly bigotry. And this development throws into a sinister light your recent solicitude; that suddenly you warm up to me on the presumption that I left the Catholic Church. The only conflict between my OP and the Catholic Church exists in your warped little head, the hate you harbor in your heart waxing so hot you can't control it.

And this also validates my working theory about you. I have no doubt that you're Christian, but one that harbors a serious mental illness. There have been studies of the traits that indicate a mentally disturbed religious person. There are two traits that I've observed from you.

One they practice an austere and intemperate form of religion, quick to pronounce judgment, and with a lone wolf mentality that sees everyone who doesn't agree with their very strict interpretations as enemies. There is no grace, no tolerance for varying points of view, no humility, and none of the even keeled mind that people expect from healthy minded religious people. Rachel Weaver from the Ruby Ridge incident is a good example of what happens when crazy meets religion.

The second trait is a belief that God is incessantly talking to them; that anything and everything is a sign. Many even believe that God has a special calling on them to be his own special prophet, and they deliver terse messages of condemnation like the prophets of the Old Testament. Some will be disruptive during church services, interrupting it to upbraid those they feel have gone astray from pure doctrine. They exercise spiritual gifts heavily, seeing themselves as instruments of divine revelation and creating the image of being more spiritual than others. They become nearly intolerable to the churches they attend and often hop from one church to another, taking the irritation of the pastor and congregation as evidence that the church has been corrupted by Satan.

Your self delusion that I had left the Catholic Church when I had given not the remotest evidence to support that confirmed what I suspected about you all along.

Sane Christians are not haughty like you are. They love Jesus and are certain only about a few simple truths, but are humble enough to acknowledge they don't know everything, especially when it comes to salvation, who is Christian, and which Christian tradition is the "correct" one. I know Evangelical Christians well and they don't think like you do...except perhaps the ones who also suffer in their mental health. While they maintain disagreements with certain teachings of the Catholic Church, they see in it the baptism, faith, and hope they share in common with the same Lord Jesus Christ. They strive for unity, not division, and they see in the Catholic Church brothers and sisters in Christ.

And the sad thing is, Satan has a field day with people like you, taking full advantage of your imbalanced thinking and using the opportunity to fill your head with compelling delusions and hate. Nobody ever claimed he played fair. But that's how it is. Your post comes across like a slap in the face, but at least I understand you aren't well and therefore I can have compassion. This is very disappointing. I was truly hoping you were sincere.

Having read both your and Jeri's posts from the perspective of an outsider it is you that is coming across as judgmental and, to use your own terminology, mentally unbalanced in that exchange.

Yes, Jeri is very devout but she is also well meaning and her post was positive, not negative except towards Catholicism. Nowhere did she condemn you personally.

You on the other hand were nothing but arrogant and judgmental.

You might want to have someone else read your post and tell you how you came across. You most certainly didn't do Christianity any favors IMO.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

These so called "christians" will be glad to know they are sending a very strong message to victims of child sexual predators that they really don't matter. Their pain is inconsequential. All that matters is that Josh and other pedos get a pass.

But, they already knew that because they get that message every single day. Whether is catholic priests, mormon sects, damn politicians and voters or that nice man down the street, the kids don't matter near as much as the monsters who molest them.

This thread is emotionally draining but before I go I just want to tell you that you have hit the nail on the head here, Luddly. You truly "get it".

It is good to find people like you who are willing to speak up boldly for the victims because victims don't speak up for themselves usually. Sometimes they can't even believe they deserve to be protected. Their thinking gets all messed up, their anger turns inwards on themselves. Child molestation is deadly. It's the one of the most destructive thing that could ever be done to a child. It's a killer. Just because a child goes along with the family and says they have forgiven the person doesn't mean they have - they are just desperate for acceptance and to put the nightmare behind them. Forgiveness doesn't happen overnight and even when it does they most likely will never trust that person again. Forgiveness and trust are two separate issues. He shouldn't have been permitted back into the house while the victims still lived there. There was no consideration about how uncomfortable they were when he returned to that house (even months later!) and the fears they probably had about him being around. Living in a house with the person who is a sexual predator is very stressful and it shows total disregard for the mental health of the victims.

The Duggars are in a cult and they took counsel from the wrong people. The victims come first - even after the crimes were committed against them. The entire story - the cover up - the television show - not reporting it when it happened - letting him return back into the household where the victims lived - the exploitation of the kids to put on a happy face and look like the perfect family- everything about it is wrong.

 

[Carla_Danger]

There is nothing hateful in denouncing sin. Quite the opposite.

There is nothing hypocritical about it.

Is a former crack addict a hypocrite if after he gets clean he campaigns against heroin use as well as other drugs?

Is a former alcoholic a hypocrite if after he turns his life around he campaigns against underage drinking?

How then is someone who repented of one sexual sin a hypocrite for campaigning against others?

The argument makes little sense whatsoever.

Advocating against sin doesnt create victims. Just another lie.

if you can't see the hypocrisy of a child molester POLITICALLY pontificating over what is supposedly harmful to children, i don't know what to tell you... you are blinded by your own agenda..


any knucklehead sinner can "denounce sin" - Jesus said we are ALL sinners, i'm surprised you didn't realize.

the man you defend here is the one who actively seeks to demonize and marginalize people.

interesting how you can 'forgive' HIM his 'sins' but not those of us in this thread who think that Jesus Christ himself would not approve of Duggar's harmful and hypocritical agenda to marginalize certain 'sinners' in our society.


political agendas seek to make laws that are entirely separate from religious notions of "sin" or "forgiveness"

what will your version of Christian "forgiveness" do for the marginalized victims - aka the selected 'sinners' - ?

hiding behind religious notions of "forgiveness" whenever it is politically convenient might make self righteous people feel good about themselves, but most rational people recognize the misguided hypocrisy of his hateful agenda, thank God.

You already have him condemned as a child molester without any facts or proof other than what the media has put out.
We as a country are suppose to be about innocent until proven guilty.

Um, Josh himself has already admitted that he molested his sisters.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Since so many threads have been created about this issue, I thought I'd create a new one with a new perspective.

Of the many aspects of this scandal that have been debated, very few have touched on the fact that Josh Duggar knew what he did was wrong, repented of it, and asked forgiveness. He then walked free from his sins. It seems the gospel of Christ has been presented so often that we become jaded to it, but this serves as an opportunity to emphasize that what Josh Duggar did is available to anyone.....just for the asking.

Why is this in the politics section and not the religion section? Because those who with the greatest passion heap scorn and ridicule on Josh Duggar need to hear this message, that the Bible tells us clearly that all have sinned, every person incurring a dept that he or she cannot possibly repay. While we pat ourselves on the back because "at least" we didn't molest several underage girls when we were teenagers, it can easily be lost on us the sobering reality that EVERY SIN IS EQUAL IN ITS CAPACITY TO SEPARATE US ETERNALLY FROM THE LOVE OF GOD.

And though it might not seem fair for somebody else to pay in our stead the debt we amassed and by all rights should be made to pay for by ourselves, Jesus Christ offered up his life in atonement for the sins of humanity.

Yes, amazingly, HE LOVED US THAT MUCH!

Josh Duggar has experienced this incredible and free gift. So have I. And it's something that cannot be bought, earned, or worked for, it can only be received by asking. And those on this board so quick to condemn ought to consider that they themselves are guilty of sin, but also that they themselves can receive complete absolution for all their sins, just as so many have, by opening their heart to the mercy of God in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Just imagine how incredible it feels to have every terrible thing you ever did completely wiped clean, so that with unsullied hearts and minds, we can freely and without shame approach the glorious throne of God and look forward to the day we spend eternity with the joy of his friendship. Although I'm very rancorous on this forum in political debates, this is a time for me to be sincere and urge you with all my heart to give your lives to Christ and become a New Creation.

It's yours for the asking.

So, if I track someone down I don't like very much from online, say a website...And kill him, as long as I ask forgiveness I can go about my merry way?

Cooool.

I wouldn't recommend it. There's a price for everything, especially murder, and asking forgiveness isn't like operating a slot machine. Coming to terms with doing a terrible thing such as murder, and the guilt of having taken a life, is arduous. People in prison spend the rest of their lives contemplating what they did, even if they are forgiven.

But more importantly, repentance is only possible for those who God approaches. Forgiveness isn't a magical incantation, and unless God draws you to repentance, it's impossible. It would be foolish to assume that you could kill somebody and God will allow you the opportunity to repent. It's foolish to think you'll live one second past killing somebody, or that you won't die in the attempt.

Was that a serious proposition, or were you just joshing?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

You are missing the fact that most of what he did was ill intent in his own heart and both children were from the same parents not a neighbor girl

TrinityPower

What does that even mean?

Its true that four of his victims were his own sisters but I have no clue what your statement means. Are you saying that somehow that makes it excusable?

I think she's saying that molesting your sisters does more damage to your heart than to your sisters.

You shouldn't try to interpret what people are saying. You really suck at it.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

So, Christian experts, is molesting a child a mortal or venial sin?

Jesus never taught anything about a mortal or venial sin. He said if you even lust in your heart after a woman you see, it is the sin of adultery - you've done it. He said if you are even angry in your own house and call someone "fool" (Racca) that you are in danger of hell! Does that sound venial to you? When God said, The pure in heart shall see God - He meant it! No one with a filthy heart will see God. We must be pure in our thoughts and in all our ways before Him.

The teaching of venial and mortal sin is a man made teaching that is found nowhere in the bible. When Adam sinned by one act of disobedience - the consequences were devastating. Sin is sin. If you belong to a church that teaches "mortal and venial sins"? GET OUT OF THERE! They are making an excuse for sinning and you can be sure it is a cult and you'll find every sort of evil going on within!

Where is the command that Christian business owners must not serve gays found in the Bible?

Where is Sola Scriptura taught in the Bible?

 

[TrinityPower]

You are missing the fact that most of what he did was ill intent in his own heart and both children were from the same parents not a neighbor girl

TrinityPower

What does that even mean?

Its true that four of his victims were his own sisters but I have no clue what your statement means. Are you saying that somehow that makes it excusable?

I think she's saying that molesting your sisters does more damage to your heart than to your sisters.

You shouldn't try to interpret what people are saying. You really suck at it.

I see you are another one who has nothing to say of your own, you just reject what others say so you feel superior. Contribute to the conversation yourself or zip it

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Since so many threads have been created about this issue, I thought I'd create a new one with a new perspective.

Of the many aspects of this scandal that have been debated, very few have touched on the fact that Josh Duggar knew what he did was wrong, repented of it, and asked forgiveness. He then walked free from his sins. It seems the gospel of Christ has been presented so often that we become jaded to it, but this serves as an opportunity to emphasize that what Josh Duggar did is available to anyone.....just for the asking.

Why is this in the politics section and not the religion section? Because those who with the greatest passion heap scorn and ridicule on Josh Duggar need to hear this message, that the Bible tells us clearly that all have sinned, every person incurring a dept that he or she cannot possibly repay. While we pat ourselves on the back because "at least" we didn't molest several underage girls when we were teenagers, it can easily be lost on us the sobering reality that EVERY SIN IS EQUAL IN ITS CAPACITY TO SEPARATE US ETERNALLY FROM THE LOVE OF GOD.

And though it might not seem fair for somebody else to pay in our stead the debt we amassed and by all rights should be made to pay for by ourselves, Jesus Christ offered up his life in atonement for the sins of humanity.

Yes, amazingly, HE LOVED US THAT MUCH!

Josh Duggar has experienced this incredible and free gift. So have I. And it's something that cannot be bought, earned, or worked for, it can only be received by asking. And those on this board so quick to condemn ought to consider that they themselves are guilty of sin, but also that they themselves can receive complete absolution for all their sins, just as so many have, by opening their heart to the mercy of God in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Just imagine how incredible it feels to have every terrible thing you ever did completely wiped clean, so that with unsullied hearts and minds, we can freely and without shame approach the glorious throne of God and look forward to the day we spend eternity with the joy of his friendship. Although I'm very rancorous on this forum in political debates, this is a time for me to be sincere and urge you with all my heart to give your lives to Christ and become a New Creation.

It's yours for the asking.

So, if I track someone down I don't like very much from online, say a website...And kill him, as long as I ask forgiveness I can go about my merry way?

Cooool.

No. It would not be cool. You would be committing a terrible sin of the worst sort because there would be no way to take it back or make it right. But yes, if you hate what you did, care about your victim, feel true remorse, you will change and become a different person than what you were--a person different from the vindictive sociopath that could kill somebody just because you didn't like him. And you can be forgiven for your sin.

You will no doubt have to suffer the legal consequences for your action, but you will be living a different life even if you are in prison. Perhaps you will make what amends you can by working with others to help them learn how to deal with anger without resorting to violence. The repentent and forgiven sinners are often the most effective people in helping others overcome their own demons and become changed people.

Once you have repented--meaning you have become a changed person--what benefit to you or me or anybody is there for me to judge or hate you? That can only be destructive to us both.

No one is obligated to accept Christianity's repentance strategy. Why are you trying to impose your religion on others?

You don't understand Christian repentance. If you did you would realize it is the only strategy there is to overcome sin.

I understand that there are virtually no posts on USMB by conservatives proclaiming their forgiveness of Dem/lib sex offenders.

It isn't ours to forgive. Do you even know how forgiveness works? Just let me know if you're confused on the issue and I'll be glad to enlighten you.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

No. It would not be cool. You would be committing a terrible sin of the worst sort because there would be no way to take it back or make it right. But yes, if you hate what you did, care about your victim, feel true remorse, you will change and become a different person than what you were--a person different from the vindictive sociopath that could kill somebody just because you didn't like him. And you can be forgiven for your sin.

You will no doubt have to suffer the legal consequences for your action, but you will be living a different life even if you are in prison. Perhaps you will make what amends you can by working with others to help them learn how to deal with anger without resorting to violence. The repentent and forgiven sinners are often the most effective people in helping others overcome their own demons and become changed people.

Once you have repented--meaning you have become a changed person--what benefit to you or me or anybody is there for me to judge or hate you? That can only be destructive to us both.

No one is obligated to accept Christianity's repentance strategy. Why are you trying to impose your religion on others?

You don't understand Christian repentance. If you did you would realize it is the only strategy there is to overcome sin.

No. You're wrong. It is not the strategy to overcome sin. The only strategy to overcome sin is to surrender our hearts, our minds, our will to the Lord Jesus Christ and continue to live our life in Him and to follow Him every single day. That is the narrow path Jesus spoke of. There is no other way to overcome and unless we overcome? We will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus Christ never told any man to follow a religion or any religious leader of a church! He said, we must follow Him and His Word as it is written in the Bible. (not the Book of Mormon, not the Qu'ran, not any other Book!) Those who are followers of Christ are the Church! It's not a building, it's not an organization - it is the body of Jesus Christ! Whenever, wherever the Christians come together and praise Jesus? That's church.

You act as if I said something different. Repentance comes through Christ and the terms He provided.

You are wrong about the church not being organized though. We could save that for another discussion though.

It is through Jesus Christ of the King James Bible and there are no terms. Jesus forgives freely. You are in the Mormon church which teaches another Christ whose brother was Lucifer and Jesus having wives. That is not the Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible. It has nothing to do with Jesus Christ of Nazareth whom I serve, Avatar.

There is nothing to discuss about an organized church. Men can organize what they will but God does not approve of religion. He approves of His Son and those who follow Him with all their hearts having received Him according to Romans 10:9,10. The Body of Christ is what makes up the church. Not a denomination, religion or cult.

"Jesus Christ of the King James Bible"

Your probably didn't know, but the Mormons also use the KJV, which is why the Book of Mormon's biblical quotes contain the same errors as the KJV. But I digress because I have no quarrel with Mormons.

Good luck trying to keep Jesus all to yourself!

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

So, Christian experts, is molesting a child a mortal or venial sin?

Rejecting Jesus Christ is a mortal sin. Since that alone is your bane, you ought not worry about what else might be a mortal sin.