Jonathan Turley: Statements By Capitol Police Officer Who Killed Ashli Babbitt ‘Demolish the Two Official Reviews That Cleared Him’

[BS Filter]

They've never gotten over it, BS because deep down they know that THEY...the main stream media...pushed Trump in the GOP primaries because they thought Hillary would have the easiest race against him rather than someone like a Jeb Bush! Chances are Trump doesn't win that GOP nomination if he doesn't get all that favorable coverage by the MSM.

I guess they thought they could get Trump nominated and then turn around and help Clinton and the DNC smear him once he was the candidate. Imagine their shock when the American people sent the message that they were tired of the Clinton sleaziness.

Now you'd think that the Democrats would have learned from that election but they're right back to political cheap tricks...spending money to get far right wing candidates nominated in GOP races because they think that gives them their only chance of winning...while at the same time complaining non stop about "extreme" Republicans!

They can't be anything but who they are. Actually, I blame the people who keep voting for them. They're the real problem. We have a great lady with great ideas running against Patty Murray, but they'll demonize her and destroy her, and Patty will win. Sad

 

[Chillicothe]

Did you miss the part where the Democrats TRIED to impeach Trump and failed because they couldn't prove any of those things?

Actually, poster Oldestyle, the United States House of Representatives....DID...impeach DTrump.
Twice.
That's a fact.
Trust me.

 

[Chillicothe]

"He...like every President before him was authorized by the Constitution to have those documents in his possession!"

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Ummm?
I don't think so.
So, accordingly, I call your hand, poster Oldestyle.

Show us the Constitutional provision where a fired President is authorized to take and keep highly classified government documents.....and then refuse to return them even in the face of a legally authorized subpoena.

 

[lantern2814]

Trying to claim that that is worse than what Trump did.

So what did Trump do little snowflake? Answer: nothing. Trump never committed perjury. Nor did he do anything you loons have been crying about for 6+ years.

 

[BS Filter]

Actually, poster Oldestyle, the United States House of Representatives....DID...impeach DTrump.
Twice.
That's a fact.
Trust me.

So?

 

[Oldestyle]

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Ummm?
I don't think so.
So, accordingly, I call your hand, poster Oldestyle.

Show us the Constitutional provision where a fired President is authorized to take and keep highly classified government documents.....and then refuse to return them even in the face of a legally authorized subpoena.

The President IS the Executive Branch, Chilly! He is the ultimate authority on classifications of documents. When Trump took those documents he was still President.

As for his refusal to turn over documents? That is a dispute between what the National Archives wants and what a President considers personal papers. There have been a myriad of disputes over the years between other Presidents over what they considered personal materials. There has NEVER been an FBI raid on an ex President's home to seize disputed documents let alone a raid that had them taking boxes of OTHER materials!

 

[Oldestyle]

Actually, poster Oldestyle, the United States House of Representatives....DID...impeach DTrump.
Twice.
That's a fact.
Trust me.

Do you even remember what the basis of those two impeachment "trials" were, Chilly? Do remember how they went nowhere despite the Democrats controlling the investigations and spending millions trying to build a case?

 

[Chillicothe]

"When Trump took those documents he was still President."

And when Joe Biden took the oath of office Don Trump was no longer president, and had no right to our documents, unless specifically given permission. Elections have consequences, and that is one of 'em.

And he most certainly had no right to access those documents once presented with a subpoena requiring their return.
I am mildly convinced you should know that.

'There has NEVER been an FBI raid on an ex President's home to seize disputed documents let alone a raid that had them taking boxes of OTHER materials!"

And not only that ---but-----but there has never been a fired President who kept Top Secret documents without permission from the new Administration. Nor an ex-President who refused to return said document even after being served with a court issued subpoena for their return.

 

[Chillicothe]

"Do you even remember what the basis of those two impeachment "trials" were....""

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Remember 'em well.
The first was for the egregious attempt to blackmail and/or bribe a head of state in order to obtain a personal benefit. He was impeached for his attempt. But, due to jury-nullification...ala' OJ Simpson....he escaped conviction.

The second was for the egregious attempt to subvert the Constitutionally mandated peaceful transfer of power to the President who beat him in the recent election. He was impeached for it.
It was his second impeachment. One that no president in history has been hung with before.
And like for his first impeachment jury-nullification ---ala' OJ Simpson ---he escaped conviction.

Trust me on all of that. It is in the history books. Forever.

 

[beautress]

What did trump do? Besides get elected?

He actually was bringing people into the Middle East into a Peace that they've never had in 5,000 years. He was doing it with regard for all sides. I realize the truth is not going down well with gungho socialists in the Democrat Party who seem to have a hold on all Democrats, but President Trump was doing things the media never reported on. Did you know his support of cleaning up the Atlantic Ocean of all that plastic was well underway? Did you know many people prospered on the stock market under the tutelage of advisers Trump knew were winners? The press ignored that, too. Remember how he molded a way to avoid inflation, and that foodstuffs and dry goods were affordable? The press had a blindfold on, along with their hands over their ears on that as well. Oh, yes, and quite a few people think Trump was not only elected once, he was elected twice until a log of crates appeared at swing state precincts in which Trump's second win evaporated when boxes upon boxes of unique-situation arrived and were counted out as 100% for Biden, which is the first time in history an unpopular candidate was hustled into a shallow victory over the true winner. The press used that to involve Trump supporters who found out about this situation to call them "fascists" over and over, just as Trump's false impeachments could not hold water when it was discovered that his rival Hillary Clinton actually paid a foreign spy millions of dollars along with the Democrat National Party wiring the same foreign spy an equal amount of millions of dollars, along with a projection propaganda that Trump was "colluding" with Russia, all over America, these lies were dispersed as the gospel. And some of us realized the truth, that unlike the two phony impeachments pushed by Nancy Pelosi, to prevent Republicans from finding out the truth, they made Biden President by vote tampering with an America that had voted for President Trump. With Biden the extortion artist of American Foreign Aid packages to needy countries, and his contribution fiscally from the pocket of Taxpayers, financed his Democrat campaign of in-crowd Democrat operatives counting and recounting and recounting as many times as it took all those boxes full of phony Biden ballots written in the same handwriting as one or two different people only, and not thousands of different signatures in millions of different styles of writing, to be counted at 3 am the night after the polls were closed, to hand a fake win to the king of Foreign Aid Extortionist, Joe Biden. And we are not amused.

 

[Oldestyle]

And when Joe Biden took the oath of office Don Trump was no longer president, and had no right to our documents, unless specifically given permission. Elections have consequences, and that is one of 'em.

And he most certainly had no right to access those documents once presented with a subpoena requiring their return.
I am mildly convinced you should know that.



And not only that ---but-----but there has never been a fired President who kept Top Secret documents without permission from the new Administration. Nor an ex-President who refused to return said document even after being served with a court issued subpoena for their return.

Who is it "specifically" that gives permission to a President on what documents they can take with them from the White House?

 

[Oldestyle]

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Remember 'em well.
The first was for the egregious attempt to blackmail and/or bribe a head of state in order to obtain a personal benefit. He was impeached for his attempt. But, due to jury-nullification...ala' OJ Simpson....he escaped conviction.

The second was for the egregious attempt to subvert the Constitutionally mandated peaceful transfer of power to the President who beat him in the recent election. He was impeached for it.
It was his second impeachment. One that no president in history has been hung with before.
And like for his first impeachment jury-nullification ---ala' OJ Simpson ---he escaped conviction.

Trust me on all of that. It is in the history books. Forever.

He asked the President of Ukraine to look into what the Biden's had been doing in that nation. Something that SHOULD have been asked! Would it have benefited Trump to have the Biden's influence peddling made public? Oh yeah! It would have benefitted the nation as well. If we'd known then Joe Biden most likely would not be sitting in the Oval Office right now screwing everything up!

How did he subvert the Constitution? By questioning the legitimacy of the election? By telling people to protest peacefully?

Jury nullification? The jury was the US Senate! What are you babbling about?

 

[Oldestyle]

And when Joe Biden took the oath of office Don Trump was no longer president, and had no right to our documents, unless specifically given permission. Elections have consequences, and that is one of 'em.

And he most certainly had no right to access those documents once presented with a subpoena requiring their return.
I am mildly convinced you should know that.



And not only that ---but-----but there has never been a fired President who kept Top Secret documents without permission from the new Administration. Nor an ex-President who refused to return said document even after being served with a court issued subpoena for their return.

You base that claim on what exactly? Your intimate knowledge of what past Presidents have taken with them from the White House? Admit it, Chilly...you have no more idea what type of papers Obama, Clinton, Bush or Reagan took with them from the White House than you do what else they took with them!

The bottom line is still the same. A President is the ultimate authority on classification of documents. If he declassifies something and takes it with him then by definition it is no longer considered a "top secret document"! So are you claiming that Joe Biden then reclassified documents that he knew Trump had and then sat back while the FBI raided the home of a Former President of the United States? That would be SUCH a sleazy move it should elicit universal condemnation!

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

He actually was bringing people into the Middle East into a Peace that they've never had in 5,000 years. He was doing it with regard for all sides. I realize the truth is not going down well with gungho socialists in the Democrat Party who seem to have a hold on all Democrats, but President Trump was doing things the media never reported on. Did you know his support of cleaning up the Atlantic Ocean of all that plastic was well underway? Did you know many people prospered on the stock market under the tutelage of advisers Trump knew were winners? The press ignored that, too. Remember how he molded a way to avoid inflation, and that foodstuffs and dry goods were affordable? The press had a blindfold on, along with their hands over their ears on that as well. Oh, yes, and quite a few people think Trump was not only elected once, he was elected twice until a log of crates appeared at swing state precincts in which Trump's second win evaporated when boxes upon boxes of unique-situation arrived and were counted out as 100% for Biden, which is the first time in history an unpopular candidate was hustled into a shallow victory over the true winner. The press used that to involve Trump supporters who found out about this situation to call them "fascists" over and over, just as Trump's false impeachments could not hold water when it was discovered that his rival Hillary Clinton actually paid a foreign spy millions of dollars along with the Democrat National Party wiring the same foreign spy an equal amount of millions of dollars, along with a projection propaganda that Trump was "colluding" with Russia, all over America, these lies were dispersed as the gospel. And some of us realized the truth, that unlike the two phony impeachments pushed by Nancy Pelosi, to prevent Republicans from finding out the truth, they made Biden President by vote tampering with an America that had voted for President Trump. With Biden the extortion artist of American Foreign Aid packages to needy countries, and his contribution fiscally from the pocket of Taxpayers, financed his Democrat campaign of in-crowd Democrat operatives counting and recounting and recounting as many times as it took all those boxes full of phony Biden ballots written in the same handwriting as one or two different people only, and not thousands of different signatures in millions of different styles of writing, to be counted at 3 am the night after the polls were closed, to hand a fake win to the king of Foreign Aid Extortionist, Joe Biden. And we are not amused.

My question was sarcastic. It was an opportunity for the demmunist it was directed at to list trump’s bad things. She/it didn’t respond.

 

[Chillicothe]

Admit it.........you have no more idea what type of papers Obama, Clinton, Bush or Reagan took with them from the White House than you do what else they took with them!

You are deadsollidperfectly correct. I do not know what those other Presidents took with them, but......
...but, on the other hand, I have read.... and do believe....that the recently fired guy...DTrump.....is the only one who had a subpoena dropped on him to compel returning the papers he took without authorization.
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If he declassifies something and takes it with him then by definition it is no longer considered a "top secret document"!

OK, I suppose.
But how do we know he 'de-classified'?
Who knew?
Who did he tell?
Where's the necessary proof that he ---unilaterally ---removed the protections from one or more of America's state secrets?

Paint me skeptical.

 

[Oldestyle]

You are deadsollidperfectly correct. I do not know what those other Presidents took with them, but......
...but, on the other hand, I have read.... and do believe....that the recently fired guy...DTrump.....is the only one who had a subpoena dropped on him to compel returning the papers he took without authorization.
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OK, I suppose.
But how do we know he 'de-classified'?
Who knew?
Who did he tell?
Where's the necessary proof that he ---unilaterally ---removed the protections from one or more of America's state secrets?

Paint me skeptical.

You obviously didn't look into this very deeply, Chilly. When Bill Clinton refused to give tapes he'd made in the Oval Office a Federal judge ruled that a President had sole discretion over what was "personal" documents!

Old Case Over Audio Tapes in Bill Clinton's Sock Drawer Could Impact Mar-a-Lago Search Dispute - Tennessee Star

When it comes to the National Archives, history has a funny way of repeating itself. And legal experts say a decade-old case over audio tapes that Bill Clinton once kept in his sock drawer may have significant impact over the FBI search of Melania Trump's closet and Donald Trump's personal office.

tennesseestar.com

 

[Oldestyle]

You are deadsollidperfectly correct. I do not know what those other Presidents took with them, but......
...but, on the other hand, I have read.... and do believe....that the recently fired guy...DTrump.....is the only one who had a subpoena dropped on him to compel returning the papers he took without authorization.
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OK, I suppose.
But how do we know he 'de-classified'?
Who knew?
Who did he tell?
Where's the necessary proof that he ---unilaterally ---removed the protections from one or more of America's state secrets?

Paint me skeptical.

Who would he need to "tell"? He's the President. The ultimate authority. It's why the Federal judge in that case ruled that Clinton couldn't be forced to surrender the tapes which he never did!

 

[Chillicothe]

Who would he need to "tell"?

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In my opinion, that pitch from poster Oldestyle looks like a hangin' curve just sittin' on the corner of the plate.

But it's gettin' late so I won't swing at it....because, well, because its late and.....I'm kinda sure there are more than a few contributors here that can knock that sucker right outta the ballpark.

Somebody step up and swing. It will be easy.

 

[Oldestyle]

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In my opinion, that pitch from poster Oldestyle looks like a hangin' curve just sittin' on the corner of the plate.

But it's gettin' late so I won't swing at it....because, well, because its late and.....I'm kinda sure there are more than a few contributors here that can knock that sucker right outta the ballpark.

Somebody step up and swing. It will be easy.

Gee, Chilly...you posted that four hours ago and not a single person has stepped up to the plate! Looks like you'll have to do it yourself. Who is it that a President is required to "tell" before he takes documents that he's declassified?

 

[Chillicothe]

Who is it that a President is required to "tell" before he takes documents that he's declassified?

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You are right. Nobody else jumped on your hangin' curve.

So let's do this:

Imagine Don Trump, while shaving in the morning, decides he wants to remove the protection from one or more of America's secrets. So that decision is made. He decides.

But then, he tells nobody.

How would the people, the agencies, the spies, the foreign nation who provided the intel know that the secret they depend upon, that they are charged with protecting and tending to, that could lead to their execution if revealed.....well, how would they know the secret ain't secret anymore?

Which, it is easy to imagine, could, may, potentially.....lead to one of those parties making a wrong assumption in the belief that the secret remains secret. And something stupid, tragic, fatal......then happens. Happens because no one who is invested in that secret remaining secret knew that it wasn't a secret any longer.

Get the picture?
If no one is informed a secret ain't a secret anymore......then it is still secret.
It becomes a 'non'-secret only when Don Trump tells someone it ain't a secret anymore.
Secrets are secret for a reason. So, who was informed that those secrets were no longer protected?

Will that person testify that he or she was informed by Don Trump that he removed the protections from one or more of America's secrets? In short, can anyone back up Don Trump's assertion he removed the protections?