- Oct 6, 2008
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- Brooklyn, NY
In addition to the illegal spying, wasn't Obama also walking guns to El Chappo and the other drug catels?If it were actually spying, you might have something, but Obama wasn't running for president.What this is, is what Watergate would have been if McGovern had won.i never understood how trump was accused of watergate type activity when it was impossible for him to be a sitting president weaponizing the gov against an opponent. that's what it was about and trump just couldn't do that from where he sat.
but hey - scream a lot and hope no one catches the small things.
There is this difference:
Difference between Watergate and the Obama Spying?
Watergate was a failed attempt by a political party to spy on their political enemies.
FBI chief Wray refutes Barr, says no 'spying' on Trump campaign
"Trump was right after all about the Obama administration wiretaps
Trump triggered this particular jump scare with the tweet on March 4 that he “just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!” He followed with such tirades as “How low has President Obama gone to tap my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!”
Trump was right after all about the Obama administration wiretaps
"The “wiretapping” spin
In March 2017, Trump was roundly ridiculed for saying that the Obama administration “wiretapped” his campaign. This was portrayed as paranoia or diversion by the media. Obama’s director of national intelligence, James Clapper, went public to deny any such surveillance and said he would have certainly known of a "court order on something like this.” It is now confirmed that there was not a single but multiple orders to intercept communications of Carter Page and others associated with the campaign. Ultimately, no evidence of criminal conduct was presented in the form of an indictment against Page, despite the renewal of the surveillance."
FISA investigation needed to end American mistrust in government
Well.....seems that these three Liberal journals were convinced that Trump was under surveillance by the Obama Administration.....
"Mother Jones (one of the top Liberal “news” agencies) published this back in January of 2017:
And sure, this is sort of ironic considering the FISA court’s 99 percent rate of approving warrants. But there’s also a serious point to be made here. This was a warrant targeting four specific people, so the court treated it like a normal warrant. That meant rejecting it if it didn’t provide enough evidence to form probable cause.
The Guardian also covered this issue in January.
The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation."
...the New York Times article that was published in October of 2016!
Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump."
If Trump Tower Was Not Wiretapped - How Are There Transcripts Of The Calls? - C.S.C. Media Group U.S.
"Nunes: Trump Team Was ‘Incidentally’ Surveilled Apart From Russia Probe
... the information was “widely disseminated” among intelligence agencies and that the identities of Trump staffers were “unmasked.”
Nunes said he was “alarmed” by these reports from the intelligence community, though he repeatedly noted that staffers' communications appeared to be collected “legally” in the course of “normal, foreign surveillance.” He said they took place in November, December and January, following the election."
Nunes: Trump Team Was ‘Incidentally’ Surveilled Apart From Russia Probe
“Barr Asserts Intelligence Agencies Spied on the Trump Campaign
· April 10, 2019
WASHINGTON — Attorney General William P. Barr said on Wednesday that he would scrutinize the F.B.I.’s investigation of the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia, including whether “spying” conducted by American intelligence agencies on the campaign’s associates had been properly carried out.
“I think spying on a political campaign is a big deal,” Mr. Barr said during testimony before a Senate Appropriations subcommittee, adding that he wanted to look into both “the genesis and the conduct” of the F.B.I. inquiry. He cast his interest as a matter of protecting civil liberties from potential abuse by the government.
“I think spying did occur,” Mr. Barr said. “The question is whether it was adequately predicated. And I’m not suggesting that it wasn’t adequately predicated. But I need to explore that.”
The remarks by the new attorney general — particularly his embrace of the term spying, which is frequently invoked by critics of the Russia investigation — are certain to please President Trump and his allies, who have accused American law enforcement officials of targeting his campaign out of political malice.” Barr Asserts Intelligence Agencies Spied on the Trump Campaign
Among other things, yup...