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no your just afraid of the truth and in denial and go into debates only seeing what you WANT to see as we both know charlie.
JFK Assassination: Doesn't it seem strange???
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no your just afraid of the truth and in denial and go into debates only seeing what you WANT to see as we both know charlie.
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What makes you state that? The shot has been tried many times and has been proved that it very well could have been done in the allotted time. Even if Oswald was the worse shot in the world, which he was not, people get lucky, sic.
Oswald had the means, the motive and the ability. Nothing in the 50 years since points to any other shooter. I walked Dealy plaza a number of years ago. The shot would be very easy for someone familiar with a rifle.
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This was also in a History Channel documentary. It does not sound as if Oswald actually did defect and if he did he never renounced his citizenship. I am not sure of the difference. The documentary stated that there were others who had done the same as Oswald. There is also no link found connecting Oswald to the CIA, or anyone else for that matter. He was a lone pitiful nut case which doesn't fit the crime but facts be the facts.
Defection to the Soviet Union[edit]
Lee Harvey Oswald - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In October 1959, just before turning 20, Oswald traveled to the Soviet Union, a trip he planned well in advance. Along with his self-taught Russian, he had saved $1,500 of his Marine Corps salary.[n 3] Oswald spent two days with his mother in Fort Worth, then embarked by ship from New Orleans on September 20 to Le Havre, France, and immediately proceeded to the United Kingdom. Arriving in Southampton on October 9, he told officials he had $700 and planned to remain in the United Kingdom for one week before proceeding to a school in Switzerland. However, on the same day, he flew to Helsinki, where he was issued a Soviet visa on October 14. Oswald left Helsinki by train on the following day, crossed the Soviet border at Vainikkala, and arrived in Moscow on October 16.[48] His visa, valid only for a week, was due to expire on October 21.[49]
Almost immediately after arriving, Oswald told his Intourist guide of his desire to become a Soviet citizen. When asked why by the various Soviet officials he encountered—all of whom, by Oswald's account, found his wish incomprehensible—he said that he was a communist, and gave what he described in his diary as "vauge [sic] answers about 'Great Soviet Union'".[49] On October 21, the day his visa was due to expire, he was told that his citizenship application had been refused, and that he had to leave the Soviet Union that evening. Distraught, Oswald inflicted a minor but bloody wound to his left wrist in his hotel room bathtub soon before his Intourist guide was due to arrive to escort him from the country, according to his diary because he wished to kill himself in a way that would shock her.[49] Delaying Oswald's departure because of his self-inflicted injury, the Soviets kept him in a Moscow hospital under psychiatric observation until October 28, 1959.[50]
Apartment building where Oswald lived in Minsk
According to Oswald, he met with four more Soviet officials that same day, who asked if he wanted to return to the United States; he insisted to them that he wanted to live in the Soviet Union as a Soviet national. When pressed for identification papers, he provided his Marine Corps discharge papers.[51]
On October 31, Oswald appeared at the United States embassy in Moscow, declaring a desire to renounce his U.S. citizenship.[52][53] "I have made up my mind," he said; "I'm through."[54] He told the U.S. embassy interviewing officer, Richard Edward Snyder, that " he had been a radar operator in the Marine Corps and that he had voluntarily stated to unnamed Soviet officials that as a Soviet citizen he would make known to them such information concerning the Marine Corps and his specialty as he possessed. He intimated that he might know something of special interest."[55] (Such statements led to Oswald's hardship/honorable military reserve discharge being changed to undesirable.)[56] The Associated Press story of the defection of a former U.S. Marine to the Soviet Union was reported on the front pages of some newspapers in 1959.[54]
Though Oswald had wanted to attend Moscow State University, he was sent to Minsk to work as a lathe operator at the Gorizont Electronics Factory, which produced radios, televisions, and military and space electronics. Stanislau Shushkevich, who later became independent Belarus's first head of state, was also engaged by Gorizont at the time, and was assigned to teach Oswald Russian.[57] Oswald received a government-subsidized, fully furnished studio apartment in a prestigious building and an additional supplement to his factory pay—all in all, an idyllic existence by working-class Soviet standards,[58] though he was kept under constant surveillance.[59]
Oswald grew bored in Minsk.[60] He wrote in his diary in January 1961: "I am starting to reconsider my desire about staying. The work is drab, the money I get has nowhere to be spent. No nightclubs or bowling alleys, no places of recreation except the trade union dances. I have had enough."[61] Shortly afterwards, Oswald (who had never formally renounced his U.S. citizenship) wrote to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow requesting return of his American passport, and proposing to return to the U.S. if any charges against him would be dropped.[62]
In March 1961, Oswald met Marina Nikolayevna Prusakova, a 19-year-old pharmacology student; they married less than six weeks later in April.[n 4][63] The Oswalds' first child, June, was born on February 15, 1962. On May 24, 1962, Oswald and Marina applied at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow for documents enabling her to immigrate to the U.S. and, on June 1, the U.S. Embassy gave Oswald a repatriation loan of $435.71.[64] Oswald, Marina, and their infant daughter left for the United States, where they received no attention from the press, much to Oswald's disappointment.[65]
Defection to the Soviet Union[edit]
Lee Harvey Oswald - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In October 1959, just before turning 20, Oswald traveled to the Soviet Union, a trip he planned well in advance. Along with his self-taught Russian, he had saved $1,500 of his Marine Corps salary.[n 3] Oswald spent two days with his mother in Fort Worth, then embarked by ship from New Orleans on September 20 to Le Havre, France, and immediately proceeded to the United Kingdom. Arriving in Southampton on October 9, he told officials he had $700 and planned to remain in the United Kingdom for one week before proceeding to a school in Switzerland. However, on the same day, he flew to Helsinki, where he was issued a Soviet visa on October 14. Oswald left Helsinki by train on the following day, crossed the Soviet border at Vainikkala, and arrived in Moscow on October 16.[48] His visa, valid only for a week, was due to expire on October 21.[49]
Almost immediately after arriving, Oswald told his Intourist guide of his desire to become a Soviet citizen. When asked why by the various Soviet officials he encountered—all of whom, by Oswald's account, found his wish incomprehensible—he said that he was a communist, and gave what he described in his diary as "vauge [sic] answers about 'Great Soviet Union'".[49] On October 21, the day his visa was due to expire, he was told that his citizenship application had been refused, and that he had to leave the Soviet Union that evening. Distraught, Oswald inflicted a minor but bloody wound to his left wrist in his hotel room bathtub soon before his Intourist guide was due to arrive to escort him from the country, according to his diary because he wished to kill himself in a way that would shock her.[49] Delaying Oswald's departure because of his self-inflicted injury, the Soviets kept him in a Moscow hospital under psychiatric observation until October 28, 1959.[50]
Apartment building where Oswald lived in Minsk
According to Oswald, he met with four more Soviet officials that same day, who asked if he wanted to return to the United States; he insisted to them that he wanted to live in the Soviet Union as a Soviet national. When pressed for identification papers, he provided his Marine Corps discharge papers.[51]
On October 31, Oswald appeared at the United States embassy in Moscow, declaring a desire to renounce his U.S. citizenship.[52][53] "I have made up my mind," he said; "I'm through."[54] He told the U.S. embassy interviewing officer, Richard Edward Snyder, that " he had been a radar operator in the Marine Corps and that he had voluntarily stated to unnamed Soviet officials that as a Soviet citizen he would make known to them such information concerning the Marine Corps and his specialty as he possessed. He intimated that he might know something of special interest."[55] (Such statements led to Oswald's hardship/honorable military reserve discharge being changed to undesirable.)[56] The Associated Press story of the defection of a former U.S. Marine to the Soviet Union was reported on the front pages of some newspapers in 1959.[54]
Though Oswald had wanted to attend Moscow State University, he was sent to Minsk to work as a lathe operator at the Gorizont Electronics Factory, which produced radios, televisions, and military and space electronics. Stanislau Shushkevich, who later became independent Belarus's first head of state, was also engaged by Gorizont at the time, and was assigned to teach Oswald Russian.[57] Oswald received a government-subsidized, fully furnished studio apartment in a prestigious building and an additional supplement to his factory pay—all in all, an idyllic existence by working-class Soviet standards,[58] though he was kept under constant surveillance.[59]
Oswald grew bored in Minsk.[60] He wrote in his diary in January 1961: "I am starting to reconsider my desire about staying. The work is drab, the money I get has nowhere to be spent. No nightclubs or bowling alleys, no places of recreation except the trade union dances. I have had enough."[61] Shortly afterwards, Oswald (who had never formally renounced his U.S. citizenship) wrote to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow requesting return of his American passport, and proposing to return to the U.S. if any charges against him would be dropped.[62]
In March 1961, Oswald met Marina Nikolayevna Prusakova, a 19-year-old pharmacology student; they married less than six weeks later in April.[n 4][63] The Oswalds' first child, June, was born on February 15, 1962. On May 24, 1962, Oswald and Marina applied at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow for documents enabling her to immigrate to the U.S. and, on June 1, the U.S. Embassy gave Oswald a repatriation loan of $435.71.[64] Oswald, Marina, and their infant daughter left for the United States, where they received no attention from the press, much to Oswald's disappointment.[65]
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Did you know Oswald made an attempt on the life of a right wing general not too long before killing Kennedy?
Look at the time line for Ruby to kill Oswald. If he were planted to do so he certainly didn't seem to have planned well. It just happen to work out just right which is not a mob hit. That said, if Ruby killed Oswald to shut him up then why wasn't Ruby killed to shut him up?
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In deference to the family and it is law.
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The simplest answer is usually the correct answer.
1. Did Oswald have motive? Yes.
2. Was he capable of making the shot? Yes
3. Were there three shots fired? Yes
4. Were there three shell casings found in the SBD? Yes
5. Is there any evidence anywhere of a second shooter? No.
This is a simple open and shut case of murder only now making it the most complicated because people don't want to believe a piss ant like Oswald could take out the most powerful man in the world. Funny they don't think the same of Hinkley.
1. Did Oswald have motive? Yes.
2. Was he capable of making the shot? Yes
3. Were there three shots fired? Yes
4. Were there three shell casings found in the SBD? Yes
5. Is there any evidence anywhere of a second shooter? No.
This is a simple open and shut case of murder only now making it the most complicated because people don't want to believe a piss ant like Oswald could take out the most powerful man in the world. Funny they don't think the same of Hinkley.
There's plenty of evidence of multiple shooters; however, because the witnesses who testified to that truth don't support the "official" findings of the "Script" their testimony was simply ignored.
To wit: dozens of people swore they smelled the undeniable smell of gunpowder down on street level some 60 yards away from the 6th Floor window (this smell also produced at one point a trail of smoke rising 6-8 feet into the air from behind the picket-fence, where multiple witnesses report shots originated from. These were the same witnesses who saw what the Parkland Hospital medical staff determined (multiple entrance wounds from the front) before the president's body was illegally removed from the legal jurisdiction of where the major crime was committed. Then, of course, any "autopsy" that refutes their preliminary findings should be suspect...
Someone is lying to us. I don't think it is the Mob, Castro or Russia. Besides, neither of these entities planned or controlled the president's motorcade route that fateful day. Nor do either of them flat out refuse to release any files dealing with this case.
To wit: dozens of people swore they smelled the undeniable smell of gunpowder down on street level some 60 yards away from the 6th Floor window (this smell also produced at one point a trail of smoke rising 6-8 feet into the air from behind the picket-fence, where multiple witnesses report shots originated from. These were the same witnesses who saw what the Parkland Hospital medical staff determined (multiple entrance wounds from the front) before the president's body was illegally removed from the legal jurisdiction of where the major crime was committed. Then, of course, any "autopsy" that refutes their preliminary findings should be suspect...
Someone is lying to us. I don't think it is the Mob, Castro or Russia. Besides, neither of these entities planned or controlled the president's motorcade route that fateful day. Nor do either of them flat out refuse to release any files dealing with this case.
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What difference, at this point, does it make?
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Instead of speculating on who may be lying and who may be hiding something and who may be doing A, B, or C; lets look at the facts.
Oswald was able to defect from here to Russia and Back again. During the height of the cold war with the Cuban Missile Crisis a present memory. That there wasn't some sort of special notice of this man being within 10 miles of the President is very hard to believe.
I fully feel that Oswald was the only gunman in Dealy Plaza on that day. However, There was either grotesque incompetence at play by the security detail of the President, the criminal justice authorities be it the FBI of DPD, or some sort of high level facilitation that allowed the president to be put into danger. They may not have known Oswald was homicidal or simply read him wrong. Could you imagine today's Secret Service taking that kind of chance?
Oswald was able to defect from here to Russia and Back again. During the height of the cold war with the Cuban Missile Crisis a present memory. That there wasn't some sort of special notice of this man being within 10 miles of the President is very hard to believe.
I fully feel that Oswald was the only gunman in Dealy Plaza on that day. However, There was either grotesque incompetence at play by the security detail of the President, the criminal justice authorities be it the FBI of DPD, or some sort of high level facilitation that allowed the president to be put into danger. They may not have known Oswald was homicidal or simply read him wrong. Could you imagine today's Secret Service taking that kind of chance?
Roadrunner
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How many fence jumpers have these drunken whore mongers called SS let jump the fence lately?
Anything can happen when SS is as corrupt and arrogant as it is.
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3 days before JFK was assassinated, he'd ordered CIA to share UFO files with KGB. Just sayin'.
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dude WHY are you wasting your time talking to a government disinformation agent troll? Him,dawgshit and others have penetrated this site and have been instructed by their hanlders to troll tthreads that talk about government corruption and you are feeding them.
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