President Trump Releases JFK Files

Which president started the Vietnam War?


AI Overview
While several presidents played a role in escalating US involvement in the Vietnam War, Lyndon B. Johnson's decisions, particularly after the Gulf of Tonkin incident, are seen as the turning point that led to full-scale American combat involvement.

did you catch those key words dude? COMBAT involvement? kennedy only sent in ADVISORS.
 
i just spelled it out for you what the CIA had to gain do you have reading comprehension problems? :uhoh3:

the CIA as a whole entire organization didnt do it ,just some rogue elements within the CIA did it,that is incorrect JFK got us into vietnam,you are going by what your history books in our corrupt school system has taught you,you need to read the two books JFK AND VIETNAN and TRAGEDY AND HOPE TRUMAN got us into vietnam,

there were plans implemented by the CIA during Eisenhowers last year for combat troops to be deployed that were nearly implemented,Eisenhower was a ************ who was at odds with stalin who urged Ike that stalin needed to be overtaken,that they should not stop at germany,stalin was intelligent enough to see stalin was a mass murderer,that he was killing his own civlians. that ************ Ike knew it and did NOTHING to help patriot stalin. stalin died mysteriously afterwards,some think Ike had a hand in it.

the plans to esculate vietnam by the CIA in Eisenhowers last year were nearly implemented,kennedy came in and resisted and started pulling troops out,LBJ came in and reversed kenendys policy and implemented the plans to the CIA wanted Eisenhower to use and almost did.

you need to read these two books,they DOCUMENT how kennedy resisted the military to start a war in vietnam,that LBJ was the one that sent in COMBAT troops,not kennedy,he only sent in advisors. In an interview with wlater kronkite two months before his assassination,you can see on the top right hand corner vietnam casualtys 59,that is a FAR CRY from the 58,000 johnson murdered dude so you realise how absurd that is to say kennedy got us into vietnam instead of johnson especially when its DOCUMENTED he was pulling us out/:abgg2q.jpg:

do you only read PARTS of posts? :uhoh3:because you missed this part that proves it was IMPOSSIBLE for the mob to do it.that only the CIA had the power to pull it off.

they did not have the power to change the parade route at the last second,get the secret service to violate secret service protocols,set up,oswald as they did,control the media and alter the autopsy photos,only the government did hense the evidence the CIA pulled it off.even a former cia operative on his deathbed confession confessed it to his son in his final hours.
The great thing about putting complete and total imbeciles like you on 'ignore' is -- I'm not missing a goddam thing.

Good Bye.

BTW, I co-wrote a book on the Vier Nam War.
 
The great thing about putting complete and total imbeciles like you on 'ignore' is -- I'm not missing a goddam thing.

Good Bye.

BTW, I co-wrote a book on the Vier Nam War.
thanks for proving to the entire board when you are losing a debate and cannot refute facts and are checkmated,You put people on ignore.:yes_text12::abgg2q.jpg::TH_WAY~113::thankusmile::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

yeah if you are not interested in the TRUTH,you are correct,you are indeed NOT missing a goddamn thing. :yes_text12: another shill that has penetrated this site to try and get people convinced the mob did it and the government was not complicit only problem with your babble is if it was a sole mob hit,the government would go after the mob and prosecute them but they WONT because they know the mafia will say WAIT A MINUTE IF WE WERE INVOLVED SO WERE YOU and spill the beans stupid **** so your propaganda does not work with me.:auiqs.jpg:

yeah a shill hired by the government to write a book obviously.,put me on ignore because you cant counter my facts,:yes_text12::auiqs.jpg::abgg2q.jpg:sorry john newman unlike you, has credibility.and goes by DOCUMENTED FACTS he doesnt withhold facts as YOU have proven in spades you do.you wrote a book and wrote YOUR version of events. :abgg2q.jpg:

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Book Overview​

The gift of time may be measured by increment and achievement. Rarely is an historian allowed to reflect upon their own works from the vantage point of 25 years beyond the initial publication. This volume, JFK and Vietnam, second edition, represents the continuation of Dr. John M. Newman's research, progress in his understanding and perceptions, and the fascinating sequence of events that unfolded following publication in 1992. This edition is the culmination of a rich tapestry of extraordinary developments which include the author's access to previously unavailable subjects and materials, analysis of newly released government documents, and the consequential relationship that was formed between Dr. Newman and former Secretary of Defense, Robert S. McNamara following the book's debut. JFK and Vietnam received high praise from Kirkus Reviews and Publisher's Weekly. It was favorably reviewed by Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. in the New York Times Book Review. Elsewhere the book caused a media firestorm with proponents of conflicting views making absolute declarations in opposition to Dr. Newman's basic thesis: Kennedy was opposed to committing U.S. combat forces to the war in Vietnam and was withdrawing the U.S. advisors at the time of his assassination in November 1963. The president's position led those favoring intervention to concoct a story of battlefield success to prevent a complete withdrawal from Vietnam. Dr. Newman's research detailed the accounts and admission of officers who had never before spoken for the record about the false representations of Viet Cong troop statistics and performance on the battlefield. Kennedy ordered Defense Secretary McNamara to use that myth of success to justify the withdrawal that began in the fall of 1963. An intense struggle erupted in the administration over the president's decision to withdraw. Newman reveals how Kennedy tried to avoid publicly endorsing the fiction of success, and how his opponents quickly pivoted to telling the truth about the failing war effort in the days before the president's tragic murder in Dallas. JFK and Vietnam uses incontrovertible documentary evidence to prove the reversal of Kennedy's withdrawal plan by President Johnson, who ordered key changes be made to a National Security Action Memorandum (NSAM 273) two days after the assassination. Those changes opened the door to the direct use of conventional American military forces in Vietnam. In its original form, JFK and Vietnam was a landmark work that illuminated the false calculations, mistakes, manipulations, deceptions and intrigue which led to the Vietnam War. A quarter century later, JFK and Vietnam, second edition, expands upon and adds to what so powerfully defined its original impact. This description may be from another edition of this product.

this troll is like robery blakey who was on the house select committe on assassination in the 70;s,when the American people started waking up that there was a conspiracy and more than one shooter involved,they invented a NEW patsy the mob to satisfy the public,robert blakey wrote a book on it,anything that pointed towards the CIA they ignored and did not pursue is doing,he is a clone of robert blakey.

here is also the book this troll also has no interest in that documents that Eisenhower nearly implemented the plans of the CIA to send in combat troops and when kennedy got in he resisted all the policys Ike was eager to implement but once LBJ got in,he did what the CIA asked and implemented them sending in combat troops.

Fought as fiercely by politicians and the public as by troops in Southeast Asia, the Vietnam War--its origins, its conduct, its consequences--is still being contested. In what will become the classic account, based on newly opened archival sources, David Kaiser rewrites what we know about this conflict. Reviving and expanding a venerable tradition of political, diplomatic, and military history, he shows not only why we entered the war, but also why our efforts were doomed to fail.

American Tragedy is the first book to draw on complete official documentation to tell the full story of how we became involved in Vietnam--and the story it tells decisively challenges widely held assumptions about the roles of Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson. Using an enormous range of source materials from these administrations, Kaiser shows how the policies that led to the war were developed during Eisenhower's tenure and nearly implemented in the closing days of his administration in response to a crisis in Laos; how Kennedy immediately reversed course on Laos and refused for three years to follow recommendations for military action in Southeast Asia; and how Eisenhower's policies reemerged in the military intervention mounted by the Johnson administration. As he places these findings in the context of the Cold War and broader American objectives, Kaiser offers the best analysis to date of the actual beginnings of the war in Vietnam, the impact of the American advisory mission from 1962 through 1965, and the initial strategy of General Westmoreland.

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luiza I was thinking the same thing but actually they have told us something i had never heard of and i have been at this for decades,that a CIA agent named gary underhill who was in washington at the time,told friends of his he was leaving the country cause he feared for his life and told them the CIA did it,strangley after telling his friends that,he dies very mysteriously.so we may learn more than we thought we would.
 
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hey gipper sense he has not yet put YOU on ignore,how about you copying and pasting these facts asking him WHY does he troll and evade these facts that prove there is no way on the planet the mob could have done it alone without the CIA? he will put you on ignore as well im sure sense that is what he does when he is checkmated :abgg2q.jpg: :auiqs.jpg:

if you copy and paste my post it will FORCE him to see it sense he does not yet have YOU on ignore.:abgg2q.jpg:

thanks for proving to the entire board when you are losing a debate and cannot refute facts and are checkmated,You put people on ignore.:yes_text12::abgg2q.jpg::TH_WAY~113::thankusmile::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

yeah if you are not interested in the TRUTH,you are correct,you are indeed NOT missing a goddamn thing. :yes_text12: another shill that has penetrated this site to try and get people convinced the mob did it and the government was not complicit only problem with your babble is if it was a sole mob hit,the government would go after the mob and prosecute them but they WONT because they know the mafia will say WAIT A MINUTE IF WE WERE INVOLVED SO WERE YOU and spill the beans stupid **** so your propaganda does not work with me.:auiqs.jpg:

Which president started the Vietnam War?


AI Overview
While several presidents played a role in escalating US involvement in the Vietnam War, Lyndon B. Johnson's decisions, particularly after the Gulf of Tonkin incident, are seen as the turning point that led to full-scale American combat involvement.

did you catch those key words dude? COMBAT involvement? kennedy only sent in ADVISORS.


here is also the book this troll also has no interest in that documents that Eisenhower nearly implemented the plans of the CIA to send in combat troops and when kennedy got in he resisted all the policys Ike was eager to implement but once LBJ got in,he did what the CIA asked and implemented them sending in combat troops.

Fought as fiercely by politicians and the public as by troops in Southeast Asia, the Vietnam War--its origins, its conduct, its consequences--is still being contested. In what will become the classic account, based on newly opened archival sources, David Kaiser rewrites what we know about this conflict. Reviving and expanding a venerable tradition of political, diplomatic, and military history, he shows not only why we entered the war, but also why our efforts were doomed to fail.

American Tragedy is the first book to draw on complete official documentation to tell the full story of how we became involved in Vietnam--and the story it tells decisively challenges widely held assumptions about the roles of Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson. Using an enormous range of source materials from these administrations, Kaiser shows how the policies that led to the war were developed during Eisenhower's tenure and nearly implemented in the closing days of his administration in response to a crisis in Laos; how Kennedy immediately reversed course on Laos and refused for three years to follow recommendations for military action in Southeast Asia; and how Eisenhower's policies reemerged in the military intervention mounted by the Johnson administration. As he places these findings in the context of the Cold War and broader American objectives, Kaiser offers the best analysis to date of the actual beginnings of the war in Vietnam, the impact of the American advisory mission from 1962 through 1965, and the initial strategy of General Westmoreland.

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Book Overview​

The gift of time may be measured by increment and achievement. Rarely is an historian allowed to reflect upon their own works from the vantage point of 25 years beyond the initial publication. This volume, JFK and Vietnam, second edition, represents the continuation of Dr. John M. Newman's research, progress in his understanding and perceptions, and the fascinating sequence of events that unfolded following publication in 1992. This edition is the culmination of a rich tapestry of extraordinary developments which include the author's access to previously unavailable subjects and materials, analysis of newly released government documents, and the consequential relationship that was formed between Dr. Newman and former Secretary of Defense, Robert S. McNamara following the book's debut. JFK and Vietnam received high praise from Kirkus Reviews and Publisher's Weekly. It was favorably reviewed by Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. in the New York Times Book Review. Elsewhere the book caused a media firestorm with proponents of conflicting views making absolute declarations in opposition to Dr. Newman's basic thesis: Kennedy was opposed to committing U.S. combat forces to the war in Vietnam and was withdrawing the U.S. advisors at the time of his assassination in November 1963. The president's position led those favoring intervention to concoct a story of battlefield success to prevent a complete withdrawal from Vietnam. Dr. Newman's research detailed the accounts and admission of officers who had never before spoken for the record about the false representations of Viet Cong troop statistics and performance on the battlefield. Kennedy ordered Defense Secretary McNamara to use that myth of success to justify the withdrawal that began in the fall of 1963. An intense struggle erupted in the administration over the president's decision to withdraw. Newman reveals how Kennedy tried to avoid publicly endorsing the fiction of success, and how his opponents quickly pivoted to telling the truth about the failing war effort in the days before the president's tragic murder in Dallas. JFK and Vietnam uses incontrovertible documentary evidence to prove the reversal of Kennedy's withdrawal plan by President Johnson, who ordered key changes be made to a National Security Action Memorandum (NSAM 273) two days after the assassination. Those changes opened the door to the direct use of conventional American military forces in Vietnam. In its original form, JFK and Vietnam was a landmark work that illuminated the false calculations, mistakes, manipulations, deceptions and intrigue which led to the Vietnam War. A quarter century later, JFK and Vietnam, second edition, expands upon and adds to what so powerfully defined its original impact. This description may be from another edition of this product.
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this troll if he ever wrote a book on JFK and vietnam as he claims,he consulted robert blakey how to decieve the public that JFK got us into vietnam and not LBJ as i proved and that it was a mob hit and not the CIA. :auiqs.jpg: :abgg2q.jpg:
 
this troll if he ever wrote a book on JFK and vietnam as he claims,he consulted robert blakey how to decieve the public that JFK got us into vietnam and not LBJ as i proved and that it was a mob hit and not the CIA. :auiqs.jpg: :abgg2q.jpg:
You proved nothing you sumb ****

It was an act of murder from one man Oswald and that was proven long ago

You just got your ass handed to you
 
Eisenhower and Kennedy sent military advisors to Vietnam. LBJ sent troops.
:thankusmile:

be careful,this op troll will put you on ignore for telling facts that dont support his babble and then call you an imbecile in frustration unable to refute your facts and claim he isnt missing a goddamn thing because you told the TRUTH.:auiqs.jpg:

Combat troops were NEARLY implemented during Eisenhowers last year in office and Kennedy resisted the military to do what Eisenhower was about to do.Johnson came in and implemented the policys Eisenhower was about to go forth with. you should read this book excellent documented book on the origins of vietnam. it SHOULD be titled EISENHOWER,KENNEDY,JOHNSON AND THE ORIGINS OF VIETNAM sense it discusses how Eisenhower nearly implemented the militatys desire for combat troops,then kennedy resisted them,and Johnson then DID implement them.

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hey agent nazi shill,unlike you,i dont seek attention so sense i know this op has me on ignore ,i wont make a fool out of myself as you do here everyday by doing what you always do showing the whole board that you are desperate for attention,I am not going to address him in the first person trying to have direct contact with him sense he has me on ignore,i dont try and make a fool out of myself here everyday as you do here addressing people in the first person that have you on ignore like i do with you. :auiqs.jpg:
 
I'm not sure where the skullduggery is. Not completely sure why LBJ would do it, other than personal reasons. Not sure the CIA would bother. I don't think the Bay of Pigs was a big enough disaster to get them excited enough.

I don't think the Russians or the Cubans had the balls to do it. Besides, JFK was no threat to them. They kinda used him like a Hippie girl at a Grateful Dead Concert.

I don' tknow why Lee Harvey would sign his own Death Warrant, why he would care enough.

Who would profit most by JFK's death? Nobody. I don't think LBJ was smart enough.

Maybe it was revenge by The Mob. That, to me, is very possible. Maybe all the Special Forces guys he abandoned to Castro took it hard and decided to take him out. They might have teamed up with the CIA and got hold of a nitwit (Lee Harvey) to do it. SF works hand-in-glove with CIA anyway, so that's feasible.

But I don't think so. They're accustomed to fighting and dying for reasons that make no sense. Goes with being a soldier.

I'm gonna go with The Mob. Jack Ruby. Remember him? Mob-connected errand boy. He was dying anyway (cancer?) so the Mob gave him a job to do and promised to take care of his family if he knocked off Lee Harvey. The Mob was afraid they'd make him talk. They would have, too.

I'm gonna go with a "Fringe Element" of the Mob. Between JFK and RFK, they sure did piss them off. Sam Ginacana felt betrayed (Chicago), all the Miami Mob boys that felt betrayed...... The Mob got JFK elected. Everybody with two functioning braincells to rub together knows that and they felt like he betrayed them. Which, he did.

I say, The Mob. With some outside help.

Very confusing
Like Trumpfy , Gay Boy JFK wanted rid of the corrupt Federal Reserve and also wanted UFO Disclosure .
We know what Deep State thought about that and you have to be very thick to believe that the might of DeepState was invested in Lee Oswald to carry out a successful assassination

People do not seem to realise that the Fed was already fiddling money supply to fund its Black Projects , and that admitting the existence of UFOs was an admission of Zero Point Energy which changes our planet forever once disclosed .
That is what is involved again and right now ——which will make this year unique in our species history .
Imho
 
Like Trumpfy , Gay Boy JFK wanted rid of the corrupt Federal Reserve and also wanted UFO Disclosure .
We know what Deep State thought about that and you have to be very thick to believe that the might of DeepState was invested in Lee Oswald to carry out a successful assassination

People do not seem to realise that the Fed was already fiddling money supply to fund its Black Projects , and that admitting the existence of UFOs was an admission of Zero Point Energy which changes our planet forever once disclosed .
That is what is involved again and right now ——which will make this year unique in our species history .
Imho
See a Therapist. Seriously.
 
See a Therapist. Seriously.

I understand how Deniers react and how it must feel to have your assumed world order and understanding turned upside down .
But that is how Deep State entrains its Sheeplets .

Am trying to think when I last got a major Geo -Political scenario wrong .
Let me know if one crosses your mind .
 
I understand how Deniers react and how it must feel to have your assumed world order and understanding turned upside down .
But that is how Deep State entrains its Sheeplets .

Am trying to think when I last got a major Geo -Political scenario wrong .
Let me know if one crosses your mind .
Indeed.Im surprised he has not yet put you on ignore as he has me when i disproved his theory the mob did it and did not have the power to pull it off as the CIA. it appears you got to post pesky facts that the mob did not have the power to pull it off and pesky documented facts as i did that it was LBJ that got us into vietnam not kennedy before he puts you on ignore,you havent posted that and taken him to school on it as i did so i am guessing that is WHY he has not yet put you on ignore as he did me.:abgg2q.jpg:

i proved he has reading comprehension problems when i gave him the evidence the CIA had all the means and motive to pull it off and unlike the mob,the power as well as well as the facts LBJ got us into vietnam not kennedy and his rebuttal was something lame of the CIA had no reason to kill him,im serious,i cant make this shit up that he said that,go look for yourself his previous post. :auiqs.jpg: :abgg2q.jpg: he cant delete it either todisprove he has reading comprehension problems sense the time limit has expired. :auiqs.jpg:

he has to stoop to insults and pretend he does not see your posts when he cant refute pesky facts just like his handler instructs him to do so. :auiqs.jpg:

my guess as to WHY he has not put you on ignore yet is because you just mentioned the fact JFK was going to get rid of the fed but sense you did not give any evidence post any links to it, is the reason he has not put you on ignroe as he did me.:abgg2q.jpg:

if you noticed,earlier when I referred him to two books he can read that document JFK was going to pull out of vietnam and LBJ got us in to the war and gave examples how the mob did not have the power to pull off the assassination and only the CIA did,he did THIS-:scared1: AND THEN AFTERWARDS PUT ME ON IGNORE.:auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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Yes and No .

There are 70 000 other documents .


But the FBI etc long ago shredded everything even hinting at the inside job which it was .

We must hope there is a real smart person who copied key documents before they were shredded, who will make a death bed confession or employ a Dead Man Switch to have evidence revealed after they pass on .


Let's hope there is a courageous 90 year old somewhere, ready to die who will give us the real story
Everyone who died has a different deathbed confession.

The only logical conclusion is they're all true.

The mob did it AND the CIA did it AND the Secret Service did it just to make sure.

The only way something like that happens is with elitist blessing.

Scruffy can tell you some interesting things that not many people know.

Los Angeles figured prominently in many parts of the assassination. It was Roselli's territory, and the CIA was flying into and out of Van Nuys airport. All the fake ID's came from North Hollywood. The guy they call Radio Man, was using a technology that was new at the time, called nuvistors. They're tiny little vacuum tubes with low plate voltages. They were invented by RCA in 1959, and in 1963 they were used in the Ranger space program that was being run out of JPL in Pasadena.

This is what nuvistors actually look like. They're very small. The one below in the middle is a high power UHF transmitter.

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In 1963 these were used in military equipment because FET's weren't yet commercially available. Y'r average nuvistor had a 1.5 watt plate with only 60 mils of heater current, high impedance, high frequency, and high gain with high vibration resistance and very low noise. The one in the pic could do 3 watts as a UHF transmitter, which was good for about 20 miles (3 watts is about the same power as modern handheld amateur transceivers that talk to local repeaters in the mountains).

You had to put 135 volts on the plate, which is three 45-volt batteries wired in series, and your current draw is only a few mils which means they last for hours. 45 volt batteries were standard in 1963, they were used in Geiger counters and metal detectors. Then you needed separate batteries for the heaters, and still the sum total of all these batteries could be easily taped to a leg with plenty of room to spare.

And - AND - as you already know, it was Robert Maheu who first contacted Roselli at the behest of the CIA. At the time, Hughes Research Laboratories and Hughes Helicopter were in Malibu, and just up the hill was a place called Sandstone Ranch which was run by John Williamson, an engineer at Hughes (and his wife). Sandstone was the first free love retreat in CA, it was frequented by everyone from David Crosby to Daniel Ellsberg. Drugs flowed freely. Guess where they came from?


There's so much about this story that hasn't even made it to the conspiracies, but if you dig a little you can find out a whole lot very quickly.

Like this: scroll down to where it says "Hughes Aircraft Co - Vacuum Tube Products Division" and do a little research.

 
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