Jews Killing Gaza Christians

[Shusha]

Thank you....

I try to find credible sources or even opinionated ones if they are based on accurate information posted elsewhere and / or are supported by footnotes to credible information.

I realize that a lot of my characterizations of Israel's right wing extremist Settler types like Netanyahu, Yoav Gallant, Avi Dichter etc. are frequently strident but they are based on what that same extreme right wing has said and done.
They are also based on characterizations made by Jewish and / or Israeli writers so I don't see the conflict so much as "Jew vs Muslim", Gentile vs Jew" or "Israeli vs Palestinian" it seems more like a conflict between nationalist, malevolent and expansionist elements on both sides.

I also realize that there are countless Israeli Jews who are ethical, generous, bright and courageous.
It is those same peace seeking Israelis who are endangered by the reckless expansionism of the Netanyahu government.

I've cited an article from independent source, "+972mag." (Wikipedia characterized "+972mag." as "leftist" as expected.)

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I just got a call that one of my last 2 remaining old friends died last night so I'll be busy with that off and on.

I'll write more later.

Thanks,

P.S. Please appreciate who and what you've got while you've got them.







“Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians”

Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians - +972 Magazine

Before the advent of Zionism and Arab nationalism, Jews and Palestinians lived in peace in the holy land. Menachem Klein’s new book maps out an oft-forgotten history of Israel/Palestine, and offers some guidance on how we may go back to that time. By Noam Rotem Menachem Klein’s book, Lives in...

www.972mag.com

EXCERPT “He quotes the memoirs of Ya’akov Elazar from Jerusalem, who remembers how “the Muslim women cooperated respectfully with the customs of the Jewish religion…the Muslim neighbors allowed the Jewish women to pump water necessary before the Sabbath.”

Klein also describes how some Muslims even joined their Jewish neighbors in reciting religious prayers. He describes the cheder (a traditional elementary school where the basics of Judaism and the Hebrew language were taught) run by Hacham Gershon in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, where Arab parents brought their children so that they would learn how to behave properly.

Klein also writes that sexual relations and marriages between Jews and Arabs were not unheard of, even if they were not considered legitimate.” CONTINUED

Yeah. No. +972 is virulently antisemitic and one-sided. Not a source I would call credible.

I didn't read this article, I'm certain there are many examples of good neighbors between Jews and Muslims in many places in the world. I am certain there are many examples of good neighbors between Jews and Muslims in today's "post-Zionism" Israel. I am very certain of this last because I am part of many of those relationships.

Characterizing "Zionism" as the problem between Jews and Muslims is demonizing.


And I am very sorry about the loss of your friends. May their memories be a blessing.

 

[Shusha]

What Lancet article? Cited in a source in this thread? Or elsewhere?

The Lancet article (really a very poorly-researched opinion piece) came out a few months ago. It falsely claimed that very many more people have been, or will be, killed in Gaza than those killed directly in the war, due to other factors such as malnutrition, disease, accidents, etc. It was based on other people's research, which the Lancet did not provide a source for (a sure sign that something funny is going on.) It was a very poorly done article but publishing it in the Lancet gave it unwarranted credibility.

The members of this forum used it as an opportunity to falsely claim 200,000 dead or 400,000 dead in Gaza. Some even said over a million.

I was able to track down the original research paper (it was not easy) and read it in its entirety. The Lancet article grossly misrepresented the facts and findings of the original research paper.

 

[Lisa558]

I read your posts in threads like these. I've noted that you have contributed virtually nothing in your thousands of posts in 3.5 years. Grau posts information from sources like NRC. Susha has made thoughtful posts. But you? It not only appears that you know nothing about these issues that you so doggedly comment, but you actually don't even seem to care. You're just interested in name calling and your far fetched anecdots that, apparently, very few believe. Why is that?

Your opinion has been noted….and disregarded. What you say is false.

 

[Grau]

Thank you for changing the subject
Maybe they should’ve thought of their actions before October 7

Why do apologists for the Gaza genocide pretend that Middle Eastern hostilities began with the Gaza uprising on 7 October 2023?

As early as the 1930s and 1940s, foreign Zionist terrorist gangs from Europe were armed and trained by Germany's SS in one of over 40 training camps (1) throughout Germany.

However, the subsequent atrocities committed by Zionist terrorist gangs (2) exceeded those committed by either Hamas or their SS trainers.

Resistance to Israel's occupation and blockade was a long predicted consequence of over 70 years of systematic extermination, land theft and relentless persecution.

Can you name any occupied population that has not resisted their occupiers?







(1). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich
EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19


Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21


In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED

19. Lucy Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945 (New York: Bantam, pb., 1976), pp. 253-254.; Max Nussbaum, "Zionism Under Hitler," Congress Weekly (New York: American Jewish Congress), Sept. 11, 1942.; F. Nicosia, The Third Reich (1985), pp. 58-60, 217.; Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement (1984), p. 175.

20. H. Höhne, The Order of the Death's Head (Ballantine, pb., 1984), pp. 380-382.; K. Schleunes, Twisted Road (1970, 1990), p. 226.; Secret internal SS intelligence report about F. Polkes, June 17, 1937, in: John Mendelsohn, ed., The Holocaust (New York: Garland, 1982), vol. 5, pp. 62-64.

21. F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), pp. 63-64, 105, 219-220.

22. F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), p. 160.


(2). “Deir Yasin Massacre, 09.04.1948”

https://www.countercurrents.org/alhelsi100410.htm

EXCERPT " One of the worst Zionist massacres committed against Palestinians is the Deir Yasin massacre. Defenceless Palestinian civilians were tortured before being massacres and their bodies mutilated. Women and children were raped, babies were butchered and pregnant women were bayoneted.

"A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself – the mopping up – as one of the terrorists put it to him. He says that the "mopping up" had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished off with knives.

Women’s bellies were cut open and babies were butchered in the hands of their helpless mothers. Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood.
Of those 250 people, 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive." CONTINUED

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why do apologists for the Gaza genocide pretend that Middle Eastern hostilities began with the Gaza uprising on 7 October 2023?

As early as the 1930s and 1940s, foreign Zionist terrorist gangs from Europe were armed and trained by Germany's SS in one of over 40 training camps (1) throughout Germany.

However, the subsequent atrocities committed by Zionist terrorist gangs (2) exceeded those committed by either Hamas or their SS trainers.

Resistance to Israel's occupation and blockade was a long predicted consequence of over 70 years of systematic extermination, land theft and relentless persecution.

Can you name any occupied population that has not resisted their occupiers?







(1). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich
EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19


Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21


In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED

19. Lucy Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945 (New York: Bantam, pb., 1976), pp. 253-254.; Max Nussbaum, "Zionism Under Hitler," Congress Weekly (New York: American Jewish Congress), Sept. 11, 1942.; F. Nicosia, The Third Reich (1985), pp. 58-60, 217.; Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement (1984), p. 175.

20. H. Höhne, The Order of the Death's Head (Ballantine, pb., 1984), pp. 380-382.; K. Schleunes, Twisted Road (1970, 1990), p. 226.; Secret internal SS intelligence report about F. Polkes, June 17, 1937, in: John Mendelsohn, ed., The Holocaust (New York: Garland, 1982), vol. 5, pp. 62-64.

21. F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), pp. 63-64, 105, 219-220.

22. F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), p. 160.


(2). “Deir Yasin Massacre, 09.04.1948”

https://www.countercurrents.org/alhelsi100410.htm

EXCERPT " One of the worst Zionist massacres committed against Palestinians is the Deir Yasin massacre. Defenceless Palestinian civilians were tortured before being massacres and their bodies mutilated. Women and children were raped, babies were butchered and pregnant women were bayoneted.

"A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself – the mopping up – as one of the terrorists put it to him. He says that the "mopping up" had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished off with knives.

Women’s bellies were cut open and babies were butchered in the hands of their helpless mothers. Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood.
Of those 250 people, 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive." CONTINUED

Why do apologists for the Gaza genocide

What Gaza genocide?

 

[Shusha]

Why do apologists for the Gaza genocide pretend that Middle Eastern hostilities began with the Gaza uprising on 7 October 2023?

Can you name any occupied population that has not resisted their occupiers?

There is neither a genocide nor an occupation in Gaza.

The argument is not that hostilities began with October 7, but that the atrocities committed by Hamas and Gazan civilians on and since October 7 have fundamentally changed the framework of the hostilities from the Israeli perspective.

 

[Grau]

I read your posts in threads like these. I've noted that you have contributed virtually nothing in your thousands of posts in 3.5 years. Grau posts information from sources like NRC. Susha has made thoughtful posts. But you? It not only appears that you know nothing about these issues that you so doggedly comment, but you actually don't even seem to care. You're just interested in name calling and your far fetched anecdots that, apparently, very few believe. Why is that?

Forums like this have the potential to be both educational and enjoyable, I do not understand why any but the loneliest of bitter, old, dullards would waste hours spewing snarky and redundant drivel.

I don't expect everyone to share my same views and don't resent those who disagree with me. I much prefer civil discussions because anonymously trading insults seems both cowardly and a waste of time.
After all, writing here is suppose to be an enjoyable opportunity to learn.

For example, I believe that @Susha is an Israeli and I would genuinely like to learn why she feels the way she does about an issue that seems so clear to me.
What am I missing, if anything?

Among the reasons I spent 10 - 11 months walking and hitch-hiking around the Middle East was that I wanted to better understand why people there feel the way that they do.

I just happened to be in Southern Lebanon in and around Palestinian refugee camps when the '73 War broke out.
Even though it's been over 50 years, I can't "un-see" what I saw or "un-hear" the stories of Nakba survivors that made impressions on me.

Since I much prefer civil exchanges I look forward to the same with @Susha but have little hope for the chronic Slander-bots that frequently sully these pages.

Finally, I hope that readers remember that the NRC I cited was the "Norwegian Refugee Council" and not the "National Republican Committee."
I look forward to reading your views and opinions on the many topics of interest there are to research and discuss.


Thanks,

 

[Grau]

Yeah. No. +972 is virulently antisemitic and one-sided. Not a source I would call credible.

I didn't read this article, I'm certain there are many examples of good neighbors between Jews and Muslims in many places in the world. I am certain there are many examples of good neighbors between Jews and Muslims in today's "post-Zionism" Israel. I am very certain of this last because I am part of many of those relationships.

Characterizing "Zionism" as the problem between Jews and Muslims is demonizing.


And I am very sorry about the loss of your friends. May their memories be a blessing.

Thanks for your kind words.
Actually, it was just one last, old friend that died, unexpectedly on Sunday.
George named his oldest son after me, his younger sister regards me as an older brother and his two adult children were both surprised and devastated.
I've been asked to write the obituary and I've volunteered my place for a memorial service and / or celebration so, I'll be busy with that for awhile.
Thanks again,

Did you really feel that the article I cited (+972) is: "virulently antisemitic and one-sided"?
Wikipedia characterized the source as "leftist", other sources described it as "Independent" and I didn't read anything hostile to Jews in the article.

I suspect that you also feel that I.H.R. is unreliable which is why I posted the footnotes relevant to the excerpt that show the original sources.

Next, I don't doubt that you have good relationships with your Muslim neighbors. The only problems I had in the Islamic Middle East were with the elements: getting stuck in sand storms and scorpions in the Trans Syrian desert. Remember to sleep sitting up in sand storms or the wind blown sand will suffocate you if you lie down to sleep.

I don't think that anything is as simple as Zionism being the problem but I don't think that it's a coincidence that severe hostilities escalated with the arrival of strident, foreign Zionists.

It appears that the primary "crime" of Palestine's native Christian and Muslim residents was that they were already living on land coveted by foreign Zionist terrorist gangs determined to steal it.

It has always proven impossible to displace an existing population without subsequent hostilities.
Just because America's $ Trillions and unlimited weaponry has equipped IDF with the most sophisticated weaponry on the planet doesn't mean that it is not terrorism when used as in today's Gaza genocide.

Finally, I don't think that characterizing the massacre of tens of thousands mainly women and children as a genocide is inaccurate especially since most Americans and many Jews around the world have come to use the word.

I don't use the term to be antagonistic because that's what most of the world sees:

(I don't think that "The Nation" is known for its strident anti Semitism.)

"Israel’s Genocide in Gaza Is a World Historical Crime"​

"When Jews were being slaughtered by the Nazis, the world turned away. Now, the world has awakened to Israel’s crimes."

Israel’s Genocide in Gaza Is a World Historical Crime

When Jews were being slaughtered by the Nazis, the world turned away. Now, the world has awakened to Israel’s crimes.

www.thenation.com

EXCERPT "It has taken the Jewish state’s savagery to break decades of silence about its history of crimes against humanity. US military historian Robert Pape has called the onslaught against Gaza “one of the most intense civilian punishment campaigns in history.”

Former UN assistant secretary general for human rights Andrew Gilmour has said that we are witnessing “probably the highest kill rate of any military…since the Rwandan genocide of 1994.” CONTINUED


Thanks,

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I do not understand why any but the loneliest of bitter, old, dullards would waste hours spewing snarky and redundant drivel.

Because you hate the Jews?

 

[Grau]

Because you hate the Jews?

Moronic questions like that. only reveal the extent of your clueless stupidity.

Nowhere have I vilified all Jews for anything and I dare you to show otherwise.

Yes, I have been critical of some right wing and genocidal Jewish bigots just as I have praised the many ethical, generous, courageous and peace seeking Jews that oppose Zionist genocide (1).

Meanwhile, on Saturday, while you were typing insulting comments to people at a safe distance, I was enjoying a festive Passover Seder with Jewish friends and family members.

Finally, please wash that nasty old inflatable Netanyahu sex doll of yours before you get another unsightly rash down there.






(1). "A Textbook Case of Genocide"

A Textbook Case of Genocide

Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?

jewishcurrents.org

"Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?"

EXCERPT "Under international law, the crime of genocide is defined by “the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such,” as noted in the December 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. In its murderous attack on Gaza, Israel has loudly proclaimed this intent.

Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”." CONTINUED

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Moronic questions like that. only reveal the extent of your clueless stupidity.

Nowhere have I vilified all Jews for anything and I dare you to show otherwise.

Yes, I have been critical of some right wing and genocidal Jewish bigots just as I have praised the many ethical, generous, courageous and peace seeking Jews that oppose Zionist genocide (1).

Meanwhile, on Saturday, while you were typing insulting comments to people at a safe distance, I was enjoying a festive Passover Seder with Jewish friends and family members.

Finally, please wash that nasty old inflatable Netanyahu sex doll of yours before you get another unsightly rash down there.






(1). "A Textbook Case of Genocide"

A Textbook Case of Genocide

Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?

jewishcurrents.org

"Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?"

EXCERPT "Under international law, the crime of genocide is defined by “the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such,” as noted in the December 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. In its murderous attack on Gaza, Israel has loudly proclaimed this intent.

Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”." CONTINUED

Meanwhile, on Saturday, while you were typing insulting comments to people at a safe distance, I was enjoying a festive Passover Seder with Jewish friends and family members.

Wow, you sound awesome! It's a shame you support Hamas.

“We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed.

That's outrageous! Did we stop sending supplies to the Nazis and Japan after they declared war on the US?

 

[Shusha]

For example, I believe that @Susha is an Israeli and I would genuinely like to learn why she feels the way she does about an issue that seems so clear to me.
What am I missing, if anything?

Nope. I really, really am Canadian. (Shusha, two h's)

And I am happy to answer questions about my beliefs. Ask me anything.

 

[Shusha]

Did you really feel that the article I cited (+972) is: "virulently antisemitic and one-sided"?
Wikipedia characterized the source as "leftist", other sources described it as "Independent" and I didn't read anything hostile to Jews in the article.

I have read many, many articles published in +972 over the years. There's a thread running through.

I suspect that you also feel that I.H.R. is unreliable which is why I posted the footnotes relevant to the excerpt that show the original sources.

I don't believe I have read any articles from IHR to have an opinion on their credibility. I have little interest in discussing Nazi Germany and Holocaust denial.

I don't think that anything is as simple as Zionism being the problem but I don't think that it's a coincidence that severe hostilities escalated with the arrival of strident, foreign Zionists.

Nor do I think it is a coincidence. I simply think you have inverted the problem. The Jewish people would like to have a small corner of their homeland where they can be masters of their own fate, live according to their culture and values, and have political sovereignty. I do not believe there is anything inherently malicious or immoral about that wish. On the contrary, I believe that self-determination of distinct peoples is a human right. Yes, I apply the same standards to all peoples and place the right to self-determination over the right to territorial integrity (despite international law not quite doing the same).

The problem is when that human right to self-determination is prevented and fought against. To seek, and to seek violently, to prevent a peoples from pursuing or achieving self-determination is malicious and immoral. The Arabs have been, since before 1948, actively and violently trying to prevent Jewish self-determination. That is the problem.

Finally, I don't think that characterizing the massacre of tens of thousands mainly women and children as a genocide is inaccurate

We have a disagreement of facts, as well as of philosophy. The factual evidence I am aware of claims that 72% of those killed in Gaza since the war began are men of fighting age. The facts also point to numerous errors in the Hamas figures, as well as those Hamas figures not accounting for: Hamas militant/combatant deaths; deaths from natural causes; deaths caused by rockets falling short into Gaza; civilians killed by Hamas. Nor does it consider that some women and some children hold roles that would fairly count them as combatants. If an adult woman is holding hostages in her home, she is a combatant. If a ten-year-old child plants an IED in the roadway, he is a combatant. (Though I still consider all children to be innocent as in not culpable).

The "mainly women and children" doesn't stand up to scrutiny and tends to be used as an emotional stone.

especially since most Americans and many Jews around the world have come to use the word.

Yes, many people use that word. Widespread use does not transform falsehoods into facts. International humanitarian law is not a popularity contest. The word has a definitional meaning, and it is being used outside that meaning as demonization of the Jews.

 

[Shusha]

Former UN assistant secretary general for human rights Andrew Gilmour has said that we are witnessing “probably the highest kill rate of any military…since the Rwandan genocide of 1994.” CONTINUED

Make it make sense. How many dead in Syria? In Sudan? Congo? Yemen? Nigeria? Afghanistan? Ukraine? Somalia? Uganda? Something like 3 million people have died in conflicts since 1994.

The nefarious purpose of claims like this is not to present facts, but to draw a connection between the war in Gaza and the Rwandan genocide, so that people will imagine a correlation between the two, though there is none.

 

[Grau]

Meanwhile, on Saturday, while you were typing insulting comments to people at a safe distance, I was enjoying a festive Passover Seder with Jewish friends and family members.

Wow, you sound awesome! It's a shame you support Hamas.

“We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed.

That's outrageous! Did we stop sending supplies to the Nazis and Japan after they declared war on the US?

Re:

....you support Hamas.

The reason that no one takes you seriously is because all you write are lies and slander.

Just as I have written nothing expressing contempt for all Jews, nowhere have I express support for the Israeli created Hamas.

Read and learn:

"Why Israel Created Hamas"​

Why Israel Created Hamas

Published: 23 October 2023 Share on: Twitter / Facebook Insider insights into the creation of Hamas – and other designated terrorist groups. ∗∗∗ “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a P…

swprs.org

EXCERPT "Since the founding of Hamas in 1987, Israeli, American and Palestinian officials have repeatedly acknowledged that Israel did indeed help create and fund the Islamist group.

The point made by many of these officials is not that Israel “allowed” the rise of Hamas or that Hamas emerged in response to Israeli “occupation” of Palestine. Rather, their point was and is that Israel’s intelligence agencies actively helped create and finance the Hamas group.

As the officials cited below make clear, the overall goal of supporting Hamas has been to thwart the creation of a Palestinian state and avert the implementation of a two-state solution to the Palestine question" CONTINUED

"HAMAS: HOW ISRAEL CREATED ITS OWN NEMESIS"​

"By shutting the door to any peaceful resolution and leaving no other option for Palestinians, Israel created its own nemesis in Hamas."

Hamas: How Israel created its own nemesis

By shutting the door to any peaceful resolution and leaving no other option for Palestinians, Israel created its own nemesis in Hamas.

therealnews.com

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Re:

That's outrageous! Did we stop sending supplies to the Nazis and Japan after they declared war on the US?

​

What a moronic false comparison.

The current, ongoing Zionist Starvation Blockade is intended to kill, weaken and sicken every man, woman and child in occupied Palestine.

It is no different than Stalin's earlier Starvation Blockade imposed by earlier Jewish mass murderers:

- "Stalin's Jews"

"We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.

Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED

 

[Grau]

Nope. I really, really am Canadian. (Shusha, two h's)

And I am happy to answer questions about my beliefs. Ask me anything.

I appreciate the thoughtfulness that has gone into your recent comments and want to respond accordingly.

I am currently writing my old friend's obituary and will respond as soon and fully as possible when time permits.

Thanks,

 

[Grau]

Make it make sense. How many dead in Syria? In Sudan? Congo? Yemen? Nigeria? Afghanistan? Ukraine? Somalia? Uganda? Something like 3 million people have died in conflicts since 1994.

The nefarious purpose of claims like this is not to present facts, but to draw a connection between the war in Gaza and the Rwandan genocide, so that people will imagine a correlation between the two, though there is none.

I don't understand what you mean by " Make it make sense."

I think that you're just seeing "nefarious purposes" where there are really facts you don't like to hear.

First of all, what most of the planet is calling a genocide is not a "war" any more than repression of the Warsaw ghettto uprising was a "war"

Where is Hamas' Air Force, its tanks, jet fighters and bombers. Where is Hamas' Navy, access to satellites, tons of bombs.

More and more people every day are condemning what most of the planet considers a Genocide.

Misrepresenting the indiscriminate mass murder of civilians, Relief Workers, Doctors, Journalists and targeting children as a "war" is simply a deliberate obfuscation of what really is a genocide.

I've been in the middle of two wars and the destruction of Gaza and systematic extermination of its native residents by a nuclear armed and regional super power is not a "war".

 

[Roudy]

Israeli forces put Gaza’s Christian hospital out of service on Palm Sunday

Israel has bombed al-Ahli Hospital, putting northern Gaza’s last functioning medical facility out of service.

www.aljazeera.com

IDF bombed a Christian hospital on Palm Sunday.

"A hospital in Gaza was intentionally hit by the Israeli military on Palm Sunday prompting widespread condemnations from Christian groups in the Middle East"

Israel continues to kill indiscriminately.

Palm Sunday strike on Gaza hospital draws Christian condemnation - UPI.com

A hospital in Gaza was intentionally hit by the Israeli military on Palm Sunday, prompting widespread condemnations from Christian groups in the Middle East.

www.upi.com

Hamas news is also reporting that there were innocent sick martians in that Christian hospital. Mars is now taking Israel to the UN court.

Hooray for Pallywood!

 

[Roudy]

One of the most prolific terrorist groups on earth are the Israelis. They've been terrorizing their neighbors since the mid-1940s. Actually, they've been bullies since their Khazarian forefathers adopted Judaism in the 7th and 8th centuries A.D.

Did you find this on a Hamas website or Stormfront?

 

[Roudy]

Why do apologists for the Gaza genocide pretend that Middle Eastern hostilities began with the Gaza uprising on 7 October 2023?

As early as the 1930s and 1940s, foreign Zionist terrorist gangs from Europe were armed and trained by Germany's SS in one of over 40 training camps (1) throughout Germany.

However, the subsequent atrocities committed by Zionist terrorist gangs (2) exceeded those committed by either Hamas or their SS trainers.

Resistance to Israel's occupation and blockade was a long predicted consequence of over 70 years of systematic extermination, land theft and relentless persecution.

Can you name any occupied population that has not resisted their occupiers?







(1). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich
EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19


Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21


In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED

19. Lucy Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945 (New York: Bantam, pb., 1976), pp. 253-254.; Max Nussbaum, "Zionism Under Hitler," Congress Weekly (New York: American Jewish Congress), Sept. 11, 1942.; F. Nicosia, The Third Reich (1985), pp. 58-60, 217.; Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement (1984), p. 175.

20. H. Höhne, The Order of the Death's Head (Ballantine, pb., 1984), pp. 380-382.; K. Schleunes, Twisted Road (1970, 1990), p. 226.; Secret internal SS intelligence report about F. Polkes, June 17, 1937, in: John Mendelsohn, ed., The Holocaust (New York: Garland, 1982), vol. 5, pp. 62-64.

21. F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), pp. 63-64, 105, 219-220.

22. F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), p. 160.


(2). “Deir Yasin Massacre, 09.04.1948”

https://www.countercurrents.org/alhelsi100410.htm

EXCERPT " One of the worst Zionist massacres committed against Palestinians is the Deir Yasin massacre. Defenceless Palestinian civilians were tortured before being massacres and their bodies mutilated. Women and children were raped, babies were butchered and pregnant women were bayoneted.

"A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself – the mopping up – as one of the terrorists put it to him. He says that the "mopping up" had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished off with knives.

Women’s bellies were cut open and babies were butchered in the hands of their helpless mothers. Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood.
Of those 250 people, 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive." CONTINUED

You forgot about the Palestinian Mufti leader who was a certified Nazi, also leader of the Palestinian bowel movement and Arafat’s uncle. He led his Muslim Nazi army paid for by Hitler to slaughter thousands Jews and Christians across Eastern Europe. He also coined the phrase “first the Saturday people then the Sunday people.” But you aren’t interested in that.

Actually, so called Palestinians are the bastard children of the marriage between Nazism and Islamism.