Jews Killing Gaza Christians

[Toddsterpatriot]

I already clarified that in my opinion it's impossible to determine how many of Palestine's native residents have been systematically exterminated.

Because the current Zionist occupiers have not only murdered and mutilated tens of thousands using grossly inaccurate "dumb bombs" paid for by American taxpayers, they have even weaponized starvation, exposure, disease and even raw sewage.

That's right, murderous and greedy "Settlers" deliberate dump their raw sewage into Palestinian towns, crops, grazing grounds and well water.

"Israeli settlers dump sewage in Palestinian town"​

Israeli settlers dump sewage in Palestinian town

Sewage and wastewater from the Israeli settlement of Ariel, the largest settlement in the West Bank, has polluted the Palestinian village of Bruqin, which s ...

imemc.org

EXCERPT "Sewage and wastewater from the Israeli settlement of Ariel, the largest settlement in the West Bank, has polluted the Palestinian village of Bruqin, which sits adjacent to the settlement.Ariel is constructed on hilltops and its wastewater is frequently directed away from the settlement onto the land of nearby Palestinian villages.

This is a common occurrence in a number of Israeli settlements, which are constructed on illegally-seized Palestinian land in the West Bank.

Currently, Israeli settlements and military encampments control 70% of the West Bank’s water, leaving the Palestinian population with little water to drink, and downstream of Israeli settlers’ wastewater runoffs." CONTINUED

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Because genocidal Zionists are so desperate to kill as many of Gaza's native residents as they can get away with, they are using multiple murderous methods to sicken, wound, poison, torment and mutilate unarmed civilians, journalists, and Relief Workers.

Finally, because of the extent of the mass murder, innumerable buried bodies and Nakba survivors with terminal wounds, burns and diseases, it's impossible to give an accurate count.

There are those who will give you a number that exaggerated in either direction but based on the past and the blatant pro Israel bias of our MSM, I suspect that the real death toll is higher than the one most commonly stated.

According to the Hamas terrorists, how many poor innocent Gazans dead?

 

[Grau]

Take your jew hate conspiracy crap and cram it up your probably well used ass.

Thanks for the laugh.

Nothing confirms the accuracy of what I've both written and supported than a pathetic loser's tantrum.


Finally, there's nothing I've got that is as "well used" as your inflatable Netanyahu sex doll.....

....and for heaven's sake, please wash that nasty thing one of these days?

 

[Shusha]

Pure hogwash!
I can support my assertions with credible sources, why can't you?

Well, you wouldn't recognize a credible source if it bit you in the face. You let me know if you ever want to have an actual discussion using sources, instead of demonizing Israel.

 

[Shusha]

So to have an educated discussion about who today's "Jews" are, we need to make it clear which "Jews" we're talking about.

According to the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, Article 33:

Indigenous peoples have the right to determine their own identity or membership in accordance with their customs and traditions.

We are discussing the collective which self-identifies as the Jewish people.

 

[Grau]

Well, you wouldn't recognize a credible source if it bit you in the face. You let me know if you ever want to have an actual discussion using sources, instead of demonizing Israel.

If you were capable of honest, substantive and mature debate, you wouldn't need to start out with insults.

Get lost.

 

[Shusha]

If you were capable of honest, substantive and mature debate, you wouldn't need to start out with insults.

Get lost.

Well, I don't need to, but sometimes it is amusing to poke a little. Especially when you just make up demonizing falsehoods about Israel.

I think that it is impossible to know because of the countless number of bodies buried under rubble and civilians dying from exposure, untreated wounds, starvation, birth deaths and disease.

Because of Israel's starvation blockade and murdering of medical personnel, not all deaths have been immediate.

You made this claim.

Pure hogwash!
I can support my assertions with credible sources, why can't you?

Now back it up with credible sources. Give evidence of civilian deaths by any of these metrics. (Don't bother with the Lancet article, I've already debunked that for you.)

 

[Rambunctious]

Israeli forces put Gaza’s Christian hospital out of service on Palm Sunday

Israel has bombed al-Ahli Hospital, putting northern Gaza’s last functioning medical facility out of service.

www.aljazeera.com

IDF bombed a Christian hospital on Palm Sunday.

"A hospital in Gaza was intentionally hit by the Israeli military on Palm Sunday prompting widespread condemnations from Christian groups in the Middle East"

Israel continues to kill indiscriminately.

Palm Sunday strike on Gaza hospital draws Christian condemnation - UPI.com

A hospital in Gaza was intentionally hit by the Israeli military on Palm Sunday, prompting widespread condemnations from Christian groups in the Middle East.

www.upi.com

The blame lies on Hamas for hiding in hospitals... you do see that right?.... there is no sanctuary for enemy forces and weapons anywhere in any war ever fought... so why do you expect this war to be different...
I witnessed our forces taking out so called hospitals in Afghanistan... if the enemy is going to seek cover in a hospital it places that building under threat.... its why we try and avoid war in the first place... its a nasty business...

 

[Shusha]

That's right, murderous and greedy "Settlers" deliberate dump their raw sewage into Palestinian towns, crops, grazing grounds and well water.

"Israeli settlers dump sewage in Palestinian town"​

Israeli settlers dump sewage in Palestinian town

Sewage and wastewater from the Israeli settlement of Ariel, the largest settlement in the West Bank, has polluted the Palestinian village of Bruqin, which s ...

imemc.org

Here is an example of one of your "credible sources". Notice that it is an article which claims a demonization of Israel to be a fact but provides no evidence, no documentation, no source of information, and is 15 years out of date. "Palestinians say ..." is not a credible source.

Instead, if you would like to prove a point about "deliberately dumping raw sewage in Palestinian towns", provide some credible sources and documentation.

You might want to start with how Salfit (under Palestinian government control) contributes to problem. You might want to present evidence of the wastewater treatment plants in Ariel and in Salfit. Let's see if you can actually have a discussion about the complexity of water and wastewater management in Israel and in the Palestinian-governed territories.

 

[Grau]

Well, I don't need to, but sometimes it is amusing to poke a little. Especially when you just make up demonizing falsehoods about Israel.


You made this claim.

Now back it up with credible sources. Give evidence of civilian deaths by any of these metrics. (Don't bother with the Lancet article, I've already debunked that for you.)

Since you have decided to supplement insults with lies about debunking and credibility, I'm now sure that you're incapable of honest, substantive and mature debate.

 

[Shusha]

Since you have decided to supplement insults with lies about debunking and credibility, I'm now sure that you're incapable of honest, substantive and mature debate.

Not surprised you are once again running away. Seems you do this every time I press you for facts and evidence.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Since you have decided to supplement insults with lies about debunking and credibility, I'm now sure that you're incapable of honest, substantive and mature debate.

Says the liar. DURR

 

[Grau]

Not surprised you are once again running away. Seems you do this every time I press you for facts and evidence.

 

[Grau]

Not surprised you are once again running away. Seems you do this every time I press you for facts and evidence.

And the lies keep coming...

I have yet to "run away" from any honest, civil and on-topic comment.

Why bother responding since you've already made it clear that you will reject every source I use.

That's because facts repel Zionist shills like a crucifix repels vampires.

 

[Shusha]

And the lies keep coming...

I have yet to "run away" from any honest, civil and on-topic comment.

Why bother responding since you've already made it clear that you will reject every source I use.

That's because facts repel Zionist shills like a crucifix repels vampires.

No, I will reject opinion pieces, demonization pieces, and pieces with no evidence, documentation, expertise, or, at the very least, a spokesperson. I will reject those sources which arbitrarily assign "facts" (such as the Lancet article did).

I will accept facts from sources which are clearly biased, while noting the bias, but may or may not accept the conclusions drawn from those facts, depending on the conclusion and the extent of the bias.

Do we not agree that these are acceptable criteria for establishing "credible sources"?

 

[Grau]

No, I will reject opinion pieces, demonization pieces, and pieces with no evidence, documentation, expertise, or, at the very least, a spokesperson. I will reject those sources which arbitrarily assign "facts" (such as the Lancet article did).

I will accept facts from sources which are clearly biased, while noting the bias, but may or may not accept the conclusions drawn from those facts, depending on the conclusion and the extent of the bias.

Do we not agree that these are acceptable criteria for establishing "credible sources"?

Earlier you complained about a source I chose showing where Israeli Settlements dump their raw sewage onto Palestinian land.

What's wrong with this source?

"West Bank: Israeli settlement wastewater destroys Palestinian lands and livelihoods"​

West Bank: Israeli settlement wastewater destroys Palestinian lands and livelihoods

A new report from the Norwegian Refugee Council (NRC) has laid bare the devastating environmental and economic consequences of the unlawful discharge of...

www.nrc.no

EXCERPT "A new report from the Norwegian Refugee Council (NRC) has laid bare the devastating environmental and economic consequences of the unlawful discharge of untreated wastewater from Israeli settlements into Palestinian lands in the occupied West Bank.

Laboratory analysis commissioned by NRC at two sites, Wadi Shakhit in Hebron and around the Immanuel industrial zone in Qalqilya, supports the long-standing complaints of Palestinian farmers and landowners that untreated wastewater was released from Israeli settlements into Palestinian lands. The samples from Wadi Shakhit and Immanuel industrial zone vicinity showed the presence of faecal-associated E. coli bacteria in high quantities, which provides an indication of recent sewage or animal waste contamination." CONTINUED

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When there are dozens of different sources around the world exposing the fact that filthy and criminal "Settlers" are weaponizing raw sewage, it doesn't matter what Palestine's native residents do.
They're too busy dodging US supplied bombs and bullets.

For example:

"Gaza surgeon describes drones targeting children"
Gaza surgeon describes drones targeting children
EXCERPT "A retired surgeon who volunteered at a hospital in Gaza has told MPs that Israeli drones would target children who were lying injured after bombings." CONTINUED


So, what's wrong with the usually pro Israel BBC?

Nowhere have I demonized Israel; the whole country or all of its people. Most of my posts are specific in their condemnation of Israel's right wing Zionists and genocidal "Settler" element.

Israel is no different from any other country. There are the rabid and bigoted, genocidal expansionists and there are ethical, peace seeking, generous and bright Israelis.

Unfortunately, the current right wing Netanyahu regime and its supporters who reject a just and durable peace are in control.


"Israel Does Not Want Peace"
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-does-not-want-peace-1.5253291

EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone.

Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides.

The single most overwhelming item of evidence of Israel’s rejection of peace is, of course, the settlements project. From the dawn of its existence, there has never been a more reliable or more precise litmus test for Israel’s true intentions than this particular enterprise. In plain words: The builders of settlements want to consolidate the occupation, and those who want to consolidate the occupation do not want peace. That’s the whole story in a nutshell." CONTINUED

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The 3 sources I just used are no different from the ones I usually use yet they say the same things I've usually written and supported.

What's wrong with this picture?

 

[Shusha]

Earlier you complained about a source I chose showing where Israeli Settlements dump their raw sewage onto Palestinian land.

What's wrong with this source?

"West Bank: Israeli settlement wastewater destroys Palestinian lands and livelihoods"​

West Bank: Israeli settlement wastewater destroys Palestinian lands and livelihoods

A new report from the Norwegian Refugee Council (NRC) has laid bare the devastating environmental and economic consequences of the unlawful discharge of...

www.nrc.no

There you go. This is a MUCH better source than the one originally posted. Why? Because it is up-to-date and because it includes a LINK to a report which provides a methodology for the claim made.

Here is another option for a report about wastewater management under the areas governed by the Joint Water Commission. (I'm not especially a fan of B'Tselem, and admittedly it is outdated (2009) but it's a start).

Neither report characterizes the problems of wastewater management as a deliberate and intentional form of "weaponized" or "murderous methods to sicken, wound, poison, torment and mutilate ... civilians..." Instead, they frame it as lack of prioritization, neglect, and political shenanigans on both sides.

I can readily agree that wastewater management in the areas governed by the JWC is a problem. I can readily agree that BOTH Israel and the PA have failed to comprehensively address the issue. I can readily agree that the Palestinians are suffering from this neglect at a far greater rate than Israelis are.

But the characterization that Israel is deliberately intending to inflict harm (sicken, poison, kill) on the Arabs in Area C is simple demonization.

 

[USAF 2023]

I think that the reason that most Americans oppose the Gaza genocide (1) is because it would not have been possible without subsidized Zionist sadism and the criminal complicity of the US Government and its illegal US "aid" (2)

If U.S. officials didn't know the criminal and immoral use of these free American bombs, they wouldn't have tried to hide their deployment.

It is incomprehensible that any rational and informed human being would even attempt to legitimize the most ruthless and brutal foreign funded genocide in modern history.

What is truly ironic is that the most virulent Holocaustian pity mongers are disturbingly gleeful at the systematic extermination and expulsion of Palestine's native residents.

So much for the "lessons of the Holocaust."

(1). "The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds"​

The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds

Approval for Israel’s attack on Gaza has plummeted by 14 percent since November.

truthout.org

EXCERPT "Though U.S. officials have been pushing pro-Israel messages through the media relentlessly, the Gallup poll suggests that this messaging is failing to have its desired effect among the public, and that anti-Zionist advocates’ messages are instead breaking through." CONTINUED

(2). "US delivers over 20,000 'dumb bombs' to Israel since 7 Oct"​

US delivers over 20,000 'dumb bombs' to Israel since 7 Oct

Benjamin Netanyahu has been lobbying US lawmakers to speed up weapons transfers to Israel during his trip to Washington

thecradle.co

24 July, 2024
EXCERPT "Many of these shipments have been classified or kept under the table. What had been delivered by March this year already constitutes “an enormous number and variety of weapons,” according to an analysis by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

Over 100 shipments of US arms have been supplied to Israel since the start of the genocide, which has killed over 39,000 people – the majority women and children.

A US-made bomb killed dozens of Palestinian civilians in an Israeli strike on a tent camp in Rafah in May. US-made bombs have also been dropped on the south of Lebanon. " CONTINUED

(3). "Israel exploits Holocaust to mask its 'genocide' in Gaza, survivor says"​

"Holocaust survivor Stephen Kapos has condemned Israel's Gaza atrocities, drawing parallels to the Holocaust, urging global awareness and response."

TRT World - TRT World - Breaking News, Live Coverage, Opinions and Videos

TRT World - Breaking news, live coverage, opinions, features, in-depth analysis and videos from TRT World, 24/7.

www.trtworld.com

EXCERPT "Israel is manipulating the memory of the Holocaust as a cover to carry out the same atrocities in Gaza, according to a Holocaust survivor.

Stephen Kapos, an 87-year-old Holocaust survivor from Budapest, believes there is no doubt that Israel is committing a “genocide” in Gaza.

“I am here because I protest against the use of the memory of the Holocaust as a cover and as a justification for perpetrating the same in Gaza as a genocide against the Palestinian people,” Kapos, who lost most of his family in the Holocaust, told Anadolu news agency at a recent pro-Palestine rally in London." CONTINUED

Thank you for changing the subject
Maybe they should’ve thought of their actions before October 7

 

[Grau]

There you go. This is a MUCH better source than the one originally posted. Why? Because it is up-to-date and because it includes a LINK to a report which provides a methodology for the claim made.

Here is another option for a report about wastewater management under the areas governed by the Joint Water Commission. (I'm not especially a fan of B'Tselem, and admittedly it is outdated (2009) but it's a start).

Neither report characterizes the problems of wastewater management as a deliberate and intentional form of "weaponized" or "murderous methods to sicken, wound, poison, torment and mutilate ... civilians..." Instead, they frame it as lack of prioritization, neglect, and political shenanigans on both sides.

I can readily agree that wastewater management in the areas governed by the JWC is a problem. I can readily agree that BOTH Israel and the PA have failed to comprehensively address the issue. I can readily agree that the Palestinians are suffering from this neglect at a far greater rate than Israelis are.

But the characterization that Israel is deliberately intending to inflict harm (sicken, poison, kill) on the Arabs in Area C is simple demonization.

Thank you....

I try to find credible sources or even opinionated ones if they are based on accurate information posted elsewhere and / or are supported by footnotes to credible information.

I realize that a lot of my characterizations of Israel's right wing extremist Settler types like Netanyahu, Yoav Gallant, Avi Dichter etc. are frequently strident but they are based on what that same extreme right wing has said and done.
They are also based on characterizations made by Jewish and / or Israeli writers so I don't see the conflict so much as "Jew vs Muslim", Gentile vs Jew" or "Israeli vs Palestinian" it seems more like a conflict between nationalist, malevolent and expansionist elements on both sides.

I also realize that there are countless Israeli Jews who are ethical, generous, bright and courageous.
It is those same peace seeking Israelis who are endangered by the reckless expansionism of the Netanyahu government.

I've cited an article from independent source, "+972mag." (Wikipedia characterized "+972mag." as "leftist" as expected.)

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I just got a call that one of my last 2 remaining old friends died last night so I'll be busy with that off and on.

I'll write more later.

Thanks,

P.S. Please appreciate who and what you've got while you've got them.







“Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians”

Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians - +972 Magazine

Before the advent of Zionism and Arab nationalism, Jews and Palestinians lived in peace in the holy land. Menachem Klein’s new book maps out an oft-forgotten history of Israel/Palestine, and offers some guidance on how we may go back to that time. By Noam Rotem Menachem Klein’s book, Lives in...

www.972mag.com

EXCERPT “He quotes the memoirs of Ya’akov Elazar from Jerusalem, who remembers how “the Muslim women cooperated respectfully with the customs of the Jewish religion…the Muslim neighbors allowed the Jewish women to pump water necessary before the Sabbath.”

Klein also describes how some Muslims even joined their Jewish neighbors in reciting religious prayers. He describes the cheder (a traditional elementary school where the basics of Judaism and the Hebrew language were taught) run by Hacham Gershon in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, where Arab parents brought their children so that they would learn how to behave properly.

Klein also writes that sexual relations and marriages between Jews and Arabs were not unheard of, even if they were not considered legitimate.” CONTINUED

 

[yeh]

(Don't bother with the Lancet article, I've already debunked that for you.)

What Lancet article? Cited in a source in this thread? Or elsewhere?

 

[yeh]

Because she wasn’t able to blame Da Joos before.

Opposite of what the HAMAS savages do. Yet our antisemitic friends will try to draw a moral equivalence.

The liberals get their news from Islamic-run propaganda.

I read your posts in threads like these. I've noted that you have contributed virtually nothing in your thousands of posts in 3.5 years. Grau posts information from sources like NRC. Susha has made thoughtful posts. But you? It not only appears that you know nothing about these issues that you so doggedly comment, but you actually don't even seem to care. You're just interested in name calling and your far fetched anecdots that, apparently, very few believe. Why is that?