Jews for Justice..... If Americans really Knew

[Challenger]

Maybe it was too much to read......???

Just fact. Jews came from Europe and dispossessed the local inhabitants of their land. Unless you believe the Jews had a right to dispossess the Christians and Muslims of their land and evict them, because the Jewish God said so, there isn't any justification for the dispossession.

EVIDENCE TO PROVE YOUR FANTASY as the Jews were invited and given the land by the legal owners. Nothing to do with any God all to do with man. And your God gave you the world and told you to kill the unbelievers didn't he

Jews were not invited and were never given land by the legal owners. You just make things up, as usual.

Here you go Abdul the facts that are set out in INTERNATIONAL LAW

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate



The Palestine Mandate
The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:



ARTICLE 1.
The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.

ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 3.
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.


So you see the Jews were invited by the lands legal owners and the land of Palestine left after forming Trans Jordan was to be the National home of the Jews.

Guess you don't like the truth and facts do you Abdul as they destroy your islamonazi propaganda

Neither the LoN nor the British were the owners of Palestine, you just can't get that through your addled mind can you?

 

[Challenger]

And your God gave you the world and told you to kill the unbelievers didn't he

Darn, I did not get that memo from God.....could you send me a copy?

Look at who it was in reply to, or cant you read that well

Please Phoney your Certificate of Sanity might give you some credibility, post it!

When are you going to post yours, or are you still under treatment ?

So you finally admit you have a certificate of sanity....

 

[Challenger]

Another example of "facts" by a right winger who probably goes to the bathroom, squats, and after a few grimaces, looks down at the bowl for her "facts."

The mentally ill piece of shit bottom-feeding fucking turd did not even attempt to debate a single fact that I listed, all of which are well know to all sane adults.

Sadly, this forum attracts the absolute worst pieces of shit to defend the arab muslims.

...says the potty-mouth Zionist scholar wannabee.

 

[Challenger]

Given these unassailable facts, no sane human can defend the arab muslims:

1) arab muslims were attacking and murdering jews in the mideast for centuries prior to 1948

2) arab muslims have never and still do not get along with ANY other group in the mideast: coptics, maronites, chaldeans, yazidis, bahai, azeri, maneacheans, kurds, etc.

3) there was massive amounts of arab muslim-directed anti-Israel terrorism before 1967, so complaints about the occupation are a ruse

Stick to the facts, dimwit.

Another example of "facts" by a right winger who probably goes to the bathroom, squats, and after a few grimaces, looks down at the bowl for her "facts."

Typical left wing nutjob reply when they know they don't have a cat in hells chance of winning the argument, so they resort to abuse, flaming and trolling.

That explains why you do so much flaming and trolling.

 

[Phoenall]

Maybe it was too much to read......???

Just fact. Jews came from Europe and dispossessed the local inhabitants of their land. Unless you believe the Jews had a right to dispossess the Christians and Muslims of their land and evict them, because the Jewish God said so, there isn't any justification for the dispossession.

EVIDENCE TO PROVE YOUR FANTASY as the Jews were invited and given the land by the legal owners. Nothing to do with any God all to do with man. And your God gave you the world and told you to kill the unbelievers didn't he

Jews were not invited and were never given land by the legal owners. You just make things up, as usual.

Here you go Abdul the facts that are set out in INTERNATIONAL LAW

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate



The Palestine Mandate
The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:



ARTICLE 1.
The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.

ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 3.
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.


So you see the Jews were invited by the lands legal owners and the land of Palestine left after forming Trans Jordan was to be the National home of the Jews.

Guess you don't like the truth and facts do you Abdul as they destroy your islamonazi propaganda

Neither the LoN nor the British were the owners of Palestine, you just can't get that through your addled mind can you?

Read the terms of surrender signed by the Ottomans and the LoN, later ratified by the Turks and the LoN that gave title of the land to the LoN.

 

[Phoenall]

And your God gave you the world and told you to kill the unbelievers didn't he

Darn, I did not get that memo from God.....could you send me a copy?

Look at who it was in reply to, or cant you read that well

Please Phoney your Certificate of Sanity might give you some credibility, post it!

When are you going to post yours, or are you still under treatment ?

So you finally admit you have a certificate of sanity....

Now where did I write that, you must be needing one as well seeing as you have problems reading what is in front of you.

 

[Phoenall]

Given these unassailable facts, no sane human can defend the arab muslims:

1) arab muslims were attacking and murdering jews in the mideast for centuries prior to 1948

2) arab muslims have never and still do not get along with ANY other group in the mideast: coptics, maronites, chaldeans, yazidis, bahai, azeri, maneacheans, kurds, etc.

3) there was massive amounts of arab muslim-directed anti-Israel terrorism before 1967, so complaints about the occupation are a ruse

Stick to the facts, dimwit.

Another example of "facts" by a right winger who probably goes to the bathroom, squats, and after a few grimaces, looks down at the bowl for her "facts."

Typical left wing nutjob reply when they know they don't have a cat in hells chance of winning the argument, so they resort to abuse, flaming and trolling.

That explains why you do so much flaming and trolling.

Just your opinion which with £2 will get you a cup of coffee

 

[nat4900]

A not too-far-fetched comparison would be this......

Thousands of Mexicans moved up north (as it is indeed happening) .... occupied most of southern California and placed those Americans already living there in a small desert enclave....claiming that Spain had "rightfully" bestowed land grants to them back in the 1500s, and that southern California was their promised land.

One wonders how WE would react to that scenario.

 

[Daniyel]

Israel is widening the buffer zone regardless of Hamas stacking weaponry and past aggression against innocent civilians, if the Gaza's still support (and they do) armed conflict against Israel and in particularly innocent civilians we shouldnt just toss them all in a bottle to the ocean but wipe them off the face of the earth, no point seeking peace with such people.

 

[nat4900]

Israel is widening the buffer zone regardless of Hamas stacking weaponry and past aggression against innocent civilians, if the Gaza's still support (and they do) armed conflict against Israel and in particularly innocent civilians we shouldnt just toss them all in a bottle to the ocean but wipe them off the face of the earth, no point seeking peace with such people.

Moronic response.......So much for a TWO state solution then (as Netanyahu slipped and stated).......WHY can't Palestinians....the original and uninterrupted inhabitants of that land ALSO have their own sovereign state?

 

[Daniyel]

Israel is widening the buffer zone regardless of Hamas stacking weaponry and past aggression against innocent civilians, if the Gaza's still support (and they do) armed conflict against Israel and in particularly innocent civilians we shouldnt just toss them all in a bottle to the ocean but wipe them off the face of the earth, no point seeking peace with such people.

Moronic response.......So much for a TWO state solution then (as Netanyahu slipped and stated).......WHY can't Palestinians....the original and uninterrupted inhabitants of that land ALSO have their own sovereign state?

Simple, because they(by vast majority ) are violent and greedy people who is only seek to convert or kill non Muslim, satisfied?

 

[nat4900]

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Simple, because they(by vast majority ) are violent and greedy people who is only seek to convert or kill non Muslim, satisfied?[/QUOTE]

Far from "satisfied" ....Get back on this thread when your knowledge of Islam and Palestinians in particular goes beyond what you swallow from Fox and Rush.

 

[eots]

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict

The synopsis of a much longer article (below) was written by Jews who felt compelled to expose the Zionist agenda that has caused so much bloodshed in the former Palestine.


The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs’ inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.

The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).

The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists’ intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab society in Palestine. Because of this opposition, the entire Zionist project never could have been realized without the military backing of the British. The vast majority of the population of Palestine, by the way, had been Arabic since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years)

In short, Zionism was based on a faulty, colonialist world view that the rights of the indigenous inhabitants didn’t matter. The Arabs’ opposition to Zionism wasn’t based on anti-Semitism but rather on a totally reasonable fear of the dispossession of their people.

One further point: being Jewish ourselves, the position we present here is critical of Zionism but is in no way anti-Semitic. We do not believe that the Jews acted worse than any other group might have acted in their situation. The Zionists (who were a distinct minority of the Jewish people until after WWII) had an understandable desire to establish a place where Jews could be masters of their own fate, given the bleak history of Jewish oppression. Especially as the danger to European Jewry crystalized in the late 1930’s and after, the actions of the Zionists were propelled by real desperation.

But so were the actions of the Arabs. The mythic “land without people for a people without land” was already home to 700,000 Palestinians in 1919. This is the root of the problem.

Great site you are using there, Natty Boy.

http://www.think-israel.org/waltzer.alisonweir.html

 

[teddyearp]

A not too-far-fetched comparison would be this......

Thousands of Mexicans moved up north (as it is indeed happening) .... occupied most of southern California and placed those Americans already living there in a small desert enclave....claiming that Spain had "rightfully" bestowed land grants to them back in the 1500s, and that southern California was their promised land.

One wonders how WE would react to that scenario.

We give them REAL approved driver's licenses, let them drop anchor babies, basically give them citizenship and financial support. Get real.

The Israelis have fought tooth and nail for every thing they have in that country.

So basically with Nat what ever, we have a new pig to regurgitate the same old slop that the rest of the pigs have been doing to us.

Welcome to the board, now get fix your rectal cranial insertion problem and see the real truth.

 

[nat4900]

A not too-far-fetched comparison would be this......

Thousands of Mexicans moved up north (as it is indeed happening) .... occupied most of southern California and placed those Americans already living there in a small desert enclave....claiming that Spain had "rightfully" bestowed land grants to them back in the 1500s, and that southern California was their promised land.

One wonders how WE would react to that scenario.

We give them REAL approved driver's licenses, let them drop anchor babies, basically give them citizenship and financial support. Get real.

The Israelis have fought tooth and nail for every thing they have in that country.

So basically with Nat what ever, we have a new pig to regurgitate the same old slop that the rest of the pigs have been doing to us.

Welcome to the board, now get fix your rectal cranial insertion problem and see the real truth.

....and here I thought that maybe some right wingers had an IQ above their waist size.....Thanks for clarifying THAT myth.

 

[Daniyel]

QUOTE]
Simple, because they(by vast majority ) are violent and greedy people who is only seek to convert or kill non Muslim, satisfied?

Far from "satisfied" ....Get back on this thread when your knowledge of Islam and Palestinians in particular goes beyond what you swallow from Fox and Rush.[/QUOTE]
I served for three years in the Israeli Border Guard in special unit and nearly got killed (murdered) about 5 times, I speaks Hebrew fluently and able to speak Arabic in addition to few years I'm researching the conflict and the M.E. as a hobby I'd say Israeli reality is pretty enlightening than IfAmericanKnew.com or farther Palestinian unbiased presentation to reality, I'm also against TV If you really wonder.

 

[montelatici]

A not too-far-fetched comparison would be this......

Thousands of Mexicans moved up north (as it is indeed happening) .... occupied most of southern California and placed those Americans already living there in a small desert enclave....claiming that Spain had "rightfully" bestowed land grants to them back in the 1500s, and that southern California was their promised land.

One wonders how WE would react to that scenario.

We give them REAL approved driver's licenses, let them drop anchor babies, basically give them citizenship and financial support. Get real.

The Israelis have fought tooth and nail for every thing they have in that country.

So basically with Nat what ever, we have a new pig to regurgitate the same old slop that the rest of the pigs have been doing to us.

Welcome to the board, now get fix your rectal cranial insertion problem and see the real truth.

Fought tooth and nail? Even in colonizing and stealing land the Jews have others do the hard work. In this case the British.

 

[nat4900]

QUOTE]
Simple, because they(by vast majority ) are violent and greedy people who is only seek to convert or kill non Muslim, satisfied?

Far from "satisfied" ....Get back on this thread when your knowledge of Islam and Palestinians in particular goes beyond what you swallow from Fox and Rush.

I served for three years in the Israeli Border Guard in special unit and nearly got killed (murdered) about 5 times, I speaks Hebrew fluently and able to speak Arabic in addition to few years I'm researching the conflict and the M.E. as a hobby I'd say Israeli reality is pretty enlightening than IfAmericanKnew.com or farther Palestinian unbiased presentation to reality, I'm also against TV If you really wonder.[/QUOTE]


....those 3 years would make you brave BUT not necessarily objective...The O/P's article was written by fellow Jews who, are exercising a good measure of objectivity and have had enough of Israeli poleticinas always playing the "victim" and the fear-mongering doctrine....

Give Palestine a sovereign state and stop the land grab just because you can......otherwise, you'll always have terrorist acts in that area...and that may keeo the likes of Netanyahu in power, but its hell on common Israelis.

 

[Daniyel]

QUOTE]
Simple, because they(by vast majority ) are violent and greedy people who is only seek to convert or kill non Muslim, satisfied?

Far from "satisfied" ....Get back on this thread when your knowledge of Islam and Palestinians in particular goes beyond what you swallow from Fox and Rush.

I served for three years in the Israeli Border Guard in special unit and nearly got killed (murdered) about 5 times, I speaks Hebrew fluently and able to speak Arabic in addition to few years I'm researching the conflict and the M.E. as a hobby I'd say Israeli reality is pretty enlightening than IfAmericanKnew.com or farther Palestinian unbiased presentation to reality, I'm also against TV If you really wonder.

....those 3 years would make you brave BUT not necessarily objective...The O/P's article was written by fellow Jews who, are exercising a good measure of objectivity and have had enough of Israeli poleticinas always playing the "victim" and the fear-mongering doctrine....

Give Palestine a sovereign state and stop the land grab just because you can......otherwise, you'll always have terrorist acts in that area...and that may keeo the likes of Netanyahu in power, but its hell on common Israelis.[/QUOTE]
Alright, I see that you simply repeat the "sudden peace" lines and instead of explaining in depth why this is all fictions (and the proof they're all fictions is the fact people keep repeating them,.they'd never happen) - so instead of that - I'm going to ask you one simple question hopefully you'll realize what is really going on;
What has convinced me - the REAL common Israeli which also voted for the Likkud(Nethanyahu) that there is no point to make negotiations or any kind of progress with the Palestinians - and this is regardless of me being objective because for us (Jews) one drop of blood is a catastrophe.
And spare me the propagandish mottoes the streets are still covered with the garbage Obama left here.

 

[nat4900]

And spare me the propagandish mottoes the streets are still covered with the garbage Obama left here.

I'm sure that when Obama is out of office, you'll STILL find something to bitch about and, of course, play the ETERNAL VICTIM......You should realize that much of the world has heard enough........some countries in Europe are going to recognize Palestine as a legitimate state.......and unless you kill off every Palestinian, they'll have sovereignty.