Jews, Democrats, and Death

[Kilroy2]

They get 3 billion dollars from the US. How about using that as leverage to find a peaceful solution.

Because, by law, 75% of the annual 3.8 billion MUST be spent with U.S. defense industries.

Indeed, out of the pockets of the people and into the pockets of the MIC.

If that Money we’re going to the Palestinians with the sole purpose of wiping Israel off the map you would be handing out the Candy
Deal with it. Better yet, why don’t you move to “ Palestine?”

What a delusional comment. You seem to not want peace but to wipe out all Palestinians. At least I can look at both sides. Still why don't you move there if you care about it so much.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Jews, Democrats, and Death
SUBTOPIC: The need to promote open discussion.
⁜→ Killroy2, et al,

BLUF: WoW! I can hardly believe you said that. I mean → really?

There’s nothing we need now more than people who are interested in the wellbeing of the world as a whole. International Relations and Diplomacy are two fields that address this crucial need. They are intertwined, yet have their distinctive traits.
SOURCE: SI Hybrid © 2020 U2B | TechWireAsia | THQ.

Still why don't you move there if you care about it so much.

(COMMENT)
.
America is NOT a • "Love It or Leave It" • nation. America cannot be a world leader if it Economically, Industrially, Politically, or Commercially if it does not understand the central issues of the day. One of those issues is the Israeli 'vs' Palestinian Conflict.

Israel is actually one of the very few productive nations in the Middle East and North African Region.

​

Notice that Israel and Japan are on the same level. But more importantly, Israel is the highest-rated country in all of the Arab-speaking world and the highest-rated country in all the Islamic world.

The Question of Palestine is, why turn anything over to the Arab Palestinians that support terrorism, let alone the most developed nation that is working, when they are near totally dependent on Donor Nations to Make payroll? What is the expected outcome of that?

Israel is sitting on one of the key pieces of real estate in the Levant Basin. Now before you jump up and say, oh its all about oil, the United States was a strategic partner with Israel long before the field was discovered.

Located in the eastern Mediterranean Sea area off the coast of Israel,
Leviathan Natural Gas Field was discovered in December 2010.
​

The very last thing America wants is for such an important energy field resource to fall into the hands of the Islamic Resistant Movement (HAMAS), supported by Iran, and the Fatah dictatorship that may fall into shambles in the power struggle that will follow the death of the 86 year old Chairman of the Fatah Party and President of the State of Palestine, Mahmoud Abbas, now in the 15th year of his four year term.

As for as the ethics go, the establishment of the Jewish State in 1948, was the intention of the Principal Allied Powers in a decision that dates back a century ago in the San Remo Convention of 1920. The running battle with various iterations of the Arabs supporting Palestine (and the interest and support shown by Iran) is nothing short of an epic struggle to establish and maintain the Jewish National Home is an area totally emersed in the various Arab cultures. It is a key concept to establish a safe haven for the Jewish People to evacuate to in an effort to avoid the ravages of the Holocaust. Israel will not always be supported by America. America was certainly not supportive when it turned away 900 Jews and sent them back to German-controlled Europe in 1939 (the MS St Louis Event).

Just a Thumbnail Opposing View from the Cheap Seats,

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[USAF 2023]

They get 3 billion dollars from the US. How about using that as leverage to find a peaceful solution.

Because, by law, 75% of the annual 3.8 billion MUST be spent with U.S. defense industries.

Indeed, out of the pockets of the people and into the pockets of the MIC.

If that Money we’re going to the Palestinians with the sole purpose of wiping Israel off the map you would be handing out the Candy
Deal with it. Better yet, why don’t you move to “ Palestine?”

What a delusional comment. You seem to not want peace but to wipe out all Palestinians. At least I can look at both sides. Still why don't you move there if you care about it so much.

You’re the one who is delusional . Tell me why they didn’t accept Olmert’s offer?

 

[Kilroy2]

Yet it is the republicans who sell arms and give Israel money to continue with no strings attached. Thus indirectly funding the killing with no promises of resolving the conflict.

The heart of the issue is who owns the land. Why can't they split it up. A home land for both people separated by a 20 foot wall. Now that is a wall that I can support. IF they cannot get along then up with the wall until they start acting civil towards one another.

They get 3 billion dollars from the US. How about using that as leverage to find a peaceful solution. It really is not a democrat or republican issue. It is a Palestine and Israel issue and who funds it. Who side to choose.

No the heart of the matter is not who owns the land.. Radicals like Hamas do not want any Jews on any land read their charter.. By the way they don’t want anyone but muslims on the land either ... Would it shock you to know how Christian and other populations have been systematically removed.. Even places like Bangladesh andPakistan had rather large minority population of Hindus they are mostly gone now do your own research...A wall still doesn’t stop missiles does it so how would that work...As for the 3 Billion dollars that was not a gift originally when Israel captured the Sinia penniseula from Egypt the Israelis were pumping out around 2 Billion dollars in oil revenue in order for the Israelis to give that up the US offered them 3 Billion dollars a year but most of the money is too buy US weapons so it helps with jobs in the states... Thereallyinterestingthingis if Israelhad kept the Sonia then that would have been many many billions way more then 3 Billion as the price of oil has increased drastically plus Israel could have offered thePalestinians land in the Sinia to live much more land then they have now.. It really wasn’t long sighted on the Israelis part to give up that land for the cold treaty they now have with Egypt...

Well lets not hold the history of Christianity to be pure. They have done there fair share of exterminations. You know the history and it is not a pretty one. Even the Jewish people were targeted at one time. But they got over it. Still it is the reason for the mess in the middle east.

War in the name of religion is a fact in man's history.

Israel captured the Sinai. Indicates that it was in someone else's possession. They capture it and would not withdraw. So The US gave them money to leave.

The gift that keeps on giving. Sorry the Sinai did not belong to them.

Still the issue is the fighting must stop. There must be agreement on both sides. Israel has a right to exist but so does the other people who were there before the power that be gave them that land.

Yes, the issue is who's land is it. History has shown that land is a good reason to fight over. Still share the land means something to those who can.

Once they learn to stop killing each other then maybe their can be peace. Instead others countries meddle and take sides.

"Well lets not hold the history of Christianity to be pure. They have done there fair share of exterminations."

Perhaps we should compare the Christian faith to yours, Militant Secularism, in terms of slaughter.


"Over the past 100 years the most oppressive ideology in the world has been communism [Marxism]. While the people who lived under it were starved, tortured and murdered, its leaders lived in luxury.
The suppression of ordinary people by their communist rulers far surpasses anything capitalist employers were ever accused of doing. While condemning exploitation, communist dictators turned out to be masters at it.

a. R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the governments in the countries where they lived. Hate on the Left



Some people blame organized religion for most of history's killings. It is also sometimes claimed that more people have been killed in the name of Christ than for any other reason.
Of course, that's simply Leftist propaganda.


The total number of deaths estimated to lie at the feet of humanity's poor practice of Christianity is approximately 17 million. This number would include ancient wars, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, various European wars during the Middle Ages, and witchcraft trials.

Isn't religion to blame for most of history's killings?

 

[Kilroy2]

Yet it is the republicans who sell arms and give Israel money to continue with no strings attached. Thus indirectly funding the killing with no promises of resolving the conflict.

The heart of the issue is who owns the land. Why can't they split it up. A home land for both people separated by a 20 foot wall. Now that is a wall that I can support. IF they cannot get along then up with the wall until they start acting civil towards one another.

They get 3 billion dollars from the US. How about using that as leverage to find a peaceful solution. It really is not a democrat or republican issue. It is a Palestine and Israel issue and who funds it. Who side to choose.

No the heart of the matter is not who owns the land.. Radicals like Hamas do not want any Jews on any land read their charter.. By the way they don’t want anyone but muslims on the land either ... Would it shock you to know how Christian and other populations have been systematically removed.. Even places like Bangladesh andPakistan had rather large minority population of Hindus they are mostly gone now do your own research...A wall still doesn’t stop missiles does it so how would that work...As for the 3 Billion dollars that was not a gift originally when Israel captured the Sinia penniseula from Egypt the Israelis were pumping out around 2 Billion dollars in oil revenue in order for the Israelis to give that up the US offered them 3 Billion dollars a year but most of the money is too buy US weapons so it helps with jobs in the states... Thereallyinterestingthingis if Israelhad kept the Sonia then that would have been many many billions way more then 3 Billion as the price of oil has increased drastically plus Israel could have offered thePalestinians land in the Sinia to live much more land then they have now.. It really wasn’t long sighted on the Israelis part to give up that land for the cold treaty they now have with Egypt...

Well lets not hold the history of Christianity to be pure. They have done there fair share of exterminations. You know the history and it is not a pretty one. Even the Jewish people were targeted at one time. But they got over it. Still it is the reason for the mess in the middle east.

War in the name of religion is a fact in man's history.

Israel captured the Sinai. Indicates that it was in someone else's possession. They capture it and would not withdraw. So The US gave them money to leave.

The gift that keeps on giving. Sorry the Sinai did not belong to them.

Still the issue is the fighting must stop. There must be agreement on both sides. Israel has a right to exist but so does the other people who were there before the power that be gave them that land.

Yes, the issue is who's land is it. History has shown that land is a good reason to fight over. Still share the land means something to those who can.

Once they learn to stop killing each other then maybe their can be peace. Instead others countries meddle and take sides.

"Well lets not hold the history of Christianity to be pure. They have done there fair share of exterminations."

Perhaps we should compare the Christian faith to yours, Militant Secularism, in terms of slaughter.


"Over the past 100 years the most oppressive ideology in the world has been communism [Marxism]. While the people who lived under it were starved, tortured and murdered, its leaders lived in luxury.
The suppression of ordinary people by their communist rulers far surpasses anything capitalist employers were ever accused of doing. While condemning exploitation, communist dictators turned out to be masters at it.

a. R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the governments in the countries where they lived. Hate on the Left



Some people blame organized religion for most of history's killings. It is also sometimes claimed that more people have been killed in the name of Christ than for any other reason.
Of course, that's simply Leftist propaganda.


The total number of deaths estimated to lie at the feet of humanity's poor practice of Christianity is approximately 17 million. This number would include ancient wars, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, various European wars during the Middle Ages, and witchcraft trials.

Isn't religion to blame for most of history's killings?

So u believe I am an atheist. Well it is easy to understand that as you quote this Rummel guy as having an accurate assessment. Well I would question his methodology for those figures as there is no way he would know the number and can only guestimate.

yet you believe I am an atheist so I can see why you believe his numbers as being the eternal truth that you seek.

Well keep seeking the truth you may stumble on it someday.

 

[Kilroy2]

W

RE: Jews, Democrats, and Death
SUBTOPIC: The need to promote open discussion.
⁜→ Killroy2, et al,

BLUF: WoW! I can hardly believe you said that. I mean → really?

There’s nothing we need now more than people who are interested in the wellbeing of the world as a whole. International Relations and Diplomacy are two fields that address this crucial need. They are intertwined, yet have their distinctive traits.
SOURCE: SI Hybrid © 2020 U2B | TechWireAsia | THQ.

Still why don't you move there if you care about it so much.

(COMMENT)
.
America is NOT a • "Love It or Leave It" • nation. America cannot be a world leader if it Economically, Industrially, Politically, or Commercially if it does not understand the central issues of the day. One of those issues is the Israeli 'vs' Palestinian Conflict.

Israel is actually one of the very few productive nations in the Middle East and North African Region.

View attachment 502300
​

Notice that Israel and Japan are on the same level. But more importantly, Israel is the highest-rated country in all of the Arab-speaking world and the highest-rated country in all the Islamic world.

The Question of Palestine is, why turn anything over to the Arab Palestinians that support terrorism, let alone the most developed nation that is working, when they are near totally dependent on Donor Nations to Make payroll? What is the expected outcome of that?

Israel is sitting on one of the key pieces of real estate in the Levant Basin. Now before you jump up and say, oh its all about oil, the United States was a strategic partner with Israel long before the field was discovered.

View attachment 502303
Located in the eastern Mediterranean Sea area off the coast of Israel,
Leviathan Natural Gas Field was discovered in December 2010.
​

The very last thing America wants is for such an important energy field resource to fall into the hands of the Islamic Resistant Movement (HAMAS), supported by Iran, and the Fatah dictatorship that may fall into shambles in the power struggle that will follow the death of the 86 year old Chairman of the Fatah Party and President of the State of Palestine, Mahmoud Abbas, now in the 15th year of his four year term.

As for as the ethics go, the establishment of the Jewish State in 1948, was the intention of the Principal Allied Powers in a decision that dates back a century ago in the San Remo Convention of 1920. The running battle with various iterations of the Arabs supporting Palestine (and the interest and support shown by Iran) is nothing short of an epic struggle to establish and maintain the Jewish National Home is an area totally emersed in the various Arab cultures. It is a key concept to establish a safe haven for the Jewish People to evacuate to in an effort to avoid the ravages of the Holocaust. Israel will not always be supported by America. America was certainly not supportive when it turned away 900 Jews and sent them back to German-controlled Europe in 1939 (the MS St Louis Event).

Just a Thumbnail Opposing View from the Cheap Seats,

Most Respectfully,
R

Well in the beginning some of the jewish people were quite the terrorists and militants in the 40's as they fought for independence.

Yet they turned out alright according to your assessment of how well they are doing. They are doing well because of US support and Germany guilt trip support. Yet this was all built on terrorist acts that they committed to get statehood.

Israel will always be supported by the US and Germany. One driven by guilt and the other just caught in the middle.

So when the Palestinians do it then it is all bad. When the Jewish people do it then it is no longer remembered. I am not saying I support terrorism. I just pointing out that it is a two way street. It got Israel to where it is today.

You seem to have missed that point about the terrorism in the 40's?

Did it get them to where they are today?

 

[Quasar44]

Everyone has seen the latest result of the Democrats stealing the election: another flare-up in the conflict that abated during Trump's presidency.

And, of course, just as they are always on the side of the criminal vs the police, the Democrats are urging on the death cult known as 'Palestinians.'


In this Washington Post....media organ of the Democrats... the suggestion is that we have no business aiding Israel with the Iron Dome missile defense system because....

...wait for it......

.....because it has the potential to save Jew's lives.

"Israel’s Iron Dome defense system protects Israeli lives. It also perpetuates the Israel-Gaza conflict.​

The system has saved lives on both sides of the border — but leaves little incentive for a political solution​

The Israeli-made and U.S.-funded anti-rocket “Iron Dome” intercept system claims to have stopped about 90 percent of these missiles.

Israel has responded with a massive air campaign against Gaza reminiscent of the wars in 2009 and 2014. This cycle of conflict suggests that the success of Iron Dome may have the perverse consequence of helping to perpetuate the Gaza-Israel conflict.

But the unintended consequences of this protective system complicate the story — by reducing the expected costs of bombing Gaza, Iron Dome allows Israel to act with less concern for civilian casualties, and gives Israel less incentive to find a political solution to its conflict with Gaza."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/14/israels-iron-dome-defense-system-protects-israeli-lives-it-also-perpetuates-israel-gaza-conflict/

How do Democrats have time to both write this sort of desire for the death of innocent civilians.....


....and still have time to write checks to Planned Slaughterhood???

You have to understand that most American Jews have zero ……..( wait for it )


Zero survival skills despite being very successful in careers

 

[Quasar44]

Most Democrats would utterly love for the destruction of Israel ; yet , American Jews vote Democratic

 

[Quasar44]

W

RE: Jews, Democrats, and Death
SUBTOPIC: The need to promote open discussion.
⁜→ Killroy2, et al,

BLUF: WoW! I can hardly believe you said that. I mean → really?

There’s nothing we need now more than people who are interested in the wellbeing of the world as a whole. International Relations and Diplomacy are two fields that address this crucial need. They are intertwined, yet have their distinctive traits.
SOURCE: SI Hybrid © 2020 U2B | TechWireAsia | THQ.

Still why don't you move there if you care about it so much.

(COMMENT)
.
America is NOT a • "Love It or Leave It" • nation. America cannot be a world leader if it Economically, Industrially, Politically, or Commercially if it does not understand the central issues of the day. One of those issues is the Israeli 'vs' Palestinian Conflict.

Israel is actually one of the very few productive nations in the Middle East and North African Region.

View attachment 502300
​

Notice that Israel and Japan are on the same level. But more importantly, Israel is the highest-rated country in all of the Arab-speaking world and the highest-rated country in all the Islamic world.

The Question of Palestine is, why turn anything over to the Arab Palestinians that support terrorism, let alone the most developed nation that is working, when they are near totally dependent on Donor Nations to Make payroll? What is the expected outcome of that?

Israel is sitting on one of the key pieces of real estate in the Levant Basin. Now before you jump up and say, oh its all about oil, the United States was a strategic partner with Israel long before the field was discovered.

View attachment 502303
Located in the eastern Mediterranean Sea area off the coast of Israel,
Leviathan Natural Gas Field was discovered in December 2010.
​

The very last thing America wants is for such an important energy field resource to fall into the hands of the Islamic Resistant Movement (HAMAS), supported by Iran, and the Fatah dictatorship that may fall into shambles in the power struggle that will follow the death of the 86 year old Chairman of the Fatah Party and President of the State of Palestine, Mahmoud Abbas, now in the 15th year of his four year term.

As for as the ethics go, the establishment of the Jewish State in 1948, was the intention of the Principal Allied Powers in a decision that dates back a century ago in the San Remo Convention of 1920. The running battle with various iterations of the Arabs supporting Palestine (and the interest and support shown by Iran) is nothing short of an epic struggle to establish and maintain the Jewish National Home is an area totally emersed in the various Arab cultures. It is a key concept to establish a safe haven for the Jewish People to evacuate to in an effort to avoid the ravages of the Holocaust. Israel will not always be supported by America. America was certainly not supportive when it turned away 900 Jews and sent them back to German-controlled Europe in 1939 (the MS St Louis Event).

Just a Thumbnail Opposing View from the Cheap Seats,

Most Respectfully,
R

Well in the beginning some of the jewish people were quite the terrorists and militants in the 40's as they fought for independence.

Yet they turned out alright according to your assessment of how well they are doing. They are doing well because of US support and Germany guilt trip support. Yet this was all built on terrorist acts that they committed to get statehood.

Israel will always be supported by the US and Germany. One driven by guilt and the other just caught in the middle.

So when the Palestinians do it then it is all bad. When the Jewish people do it then it is no longer remembered. I am not saying I support terrorism. I just pointing out that it is a two way street. It got Israel to where it is today.

You seem to have missed that point about the terrorism in the 40's?

Did it get them to where they are today?

Yes but Israel also has the “brains and technology “ to build its own weapons
If Israel was cut off ..they have the intelligence to build and create weapons

Some of Israeli weapons are home built and they mostly created the iron dome

 

[Quasar44]

Israel has built their own tanks
They create their own guns and artillery

Navy wise it’s all Germany
AF wise it’s all American but they modify everything

 

[PoliticalChic]

Most Democrats would utterly love for the destruction of Israel ; yet , American Jews vote Democratic

Hard to fathom.

 

[surada]

RE: Jews, Democrats, and Death
SUBTOPIC: The need to promote open discussion.
⁜→ Killroy2, et al,

BLUF: WoW! I can hardly believe you said that. I mean → really?

There’s nothing we need now more than people who are interested in the wellbeing of the world as a whole. International Relations and Diplomacy are two fields that address this crucial need. They are intertwined, yet have their distinctive traits.
SOURCE: SI Hybrid © 2020 U2B | TechWireAsia | THQ.

Still why don't you move there if you care about it so much.

(COMMENT)
.
America is NOT a • "Love It or Leave It" • nation. America cannot be a world leader if it Economically, Industrially, Politically, or Commercially if it does not understand the central issues of the day. One of those issues is the Israeli 'vs' Palestinian Conflict.

Israel is actually one of the very few productive nations in the Middle East and North African Region.

View attachment 502300
​

Notice that Israel and Japan are on the same level. But more importantly, Israel is the highest-rated country in all of the Arab-speaking world and the highest-rated country in all the Islamic world.

The Question of Palestine is, why turn anything over to the Arab Palestinians that support terrorism, let alone the most developed nation that is working, when they are near totally dependent on Donor Nations to Make payroll? What is the expected outcome of that?

Israel is sitting on one of the key pieces of real estate in the Levant Basin. Now before you jump up and say, oh its all about oil, the United States was a strategic partner with Israel long before the field was discovered.

View attachment 502303
Located in the eastern Mediterranean Sea area off the coast of Israel,
Leviathan Natural Gas Field was discovered in December 2010.
​

The very last thing America wants is for such an important energy field resource to fall into the hands of the Islamic Resistant Movement (HAMAS), supported by Iran, and the Fatah dictatorship that may fall into shambles in the power struggle that will follow the death of the 86 year old Chairman of the Fatah Party and President of the State of Palestine, Mahmoud Abbas, now in the 15th year of his four year term.

As for as the ethics go, the establishment of the Jewish State in 1948, was the intention of the Principal Allied Powers in a decision that dates back a century ago in the San Remo Convention of 1920. The running battle with various iterations of the Arabs supporting Palestine (and the interest and support shown by Iran) is nothing short of an epic struggle to establish and maintain the Jewish National Home is an area totally emersed in the various Arab cultures. It is a key concept to establish a safe haven for the Jewish People to evacuate to in an effort to avoid the ravages of the Holocaust. Israel will not always be supported by America. America was certainly not supportive when it turned away 900 Jews and sent them back to German-controlled Europe in 1939 (the MS St Louis Event).

Just a Thumbnail Opposing View from the Cheap Seats,

Most Respectfully,
R

Right. That's why Israel has been on the dole since 1948.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Jews, Democrats, and Death
SUBTOPIC: The need to promote open discussion.
⁜→ Killroy2, et al,

BLUF: WoW! I can hardly believe you said that. I mean → really?

There’s nothing we need now more than people who are interested in the wellbeing of the world as a whole. International Relations and Diplomacy are two fields that address this crucial need. They are intertwined, yet have their distinctive traits.
SOURCE: SI Hybrid © 2020 U2B | TechWireAsia | THQ.

Still why don't you move there if you care about it so much.

(COMMENT)
.
America is NOT a • "Love It or Leave It" • nation. America cannot be a world leader if it Economically, Industrially, Politically, or Commercially if it does not understand the central issues of the day. One of those issues is the Israeli 'vs' Palestinian Conflict.

Israel is actually one of the very few productive nations in the Middle East and North African Region.

View attachment 502300
​

Notice that Israel and Japan are on the same level. But more importantly, Israel is the highest-rated country in all of the Arab-speaking world and the highest-rated country in all the Islamic world.

The Question of Palestine is, why turn anything over to the Arab Palestinians that support terrorism, let alone the most developed nation that is working, when they are near totally dependent on Donor Nations to Make payroll? What is the expected outcome of that?

Israel is sitting on one of the key pieces of real estate in the Levant Basin. Now before you jump up and say, oh its all about oil, the United States was a strategic partner with Israel long before the field was discovered.

View attachment 502303
Located in the eastern Mediterranean Sea area off the coast of Israel,
Leviathan Natural Gas Field was discovered in December 2010.
​

The very last thing America wants is for such an important energy field resource to fall into the hands of the Islamic Resistant Movement (HAMAS), supported by Iran, and the Fatah dictatorship that may fall into shambles in the power struggle that will follow the death of the 86 year old Chairman of the Fatah Party and President of the State of Palestine, Mahmoud Abbas, now in the 15th year of his four year term.

As for as the ethics go, the establishment of the Jewish State in 1948, was the intention of the Principal Allied Powers in a decision that dates back a century ago in the San Remo Convention of 1920. The running battle with various iterations of the Arabs supporting Palestine (and the interest and support shown by Iran) is nothing short of an epic struggle to establish and maintain the Jewish National Home is an area totally emersed in the various Arab cultures. It is a key concept to establish a safe haven for the Jewish People to evacuate to in an effort to avoid the ravages of the Holocaust. Israel will not always be supported by America. America was certainly not supportive when it turned away 900 Jews and sent them back to German-controlled Europe in 1939 (the MS St Louis Event).

Just a Thumbnail Opposing View from the Cheap Seats,

Most Respectfully,
R

Right. That's why Israel has been on the dole since 1948.

Israel Gives Much More to the U.S. Economy Than You Imagined - The Tower

AARON MENENBERG crunches the numbers of Israel's dramatic contribution to American prosperity--something the boycotters don't want you to know.

www.thetower.org

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Jews, Democrats, and Death
SUBTOPIC: The need to promote open discussion.
⁜→ surada, et al,

BLUF: The protection of this unique nation is, of course, discretionary.e

Right. That's why Israel has been on the dole since 1948.

(OPPOSING VIEW)

I disagree. Israel is NOT unproductive and receiving US benefits for subsistence. Israel has the most technologically advanced free market economy in the immediate Regional Area.

However, as much as the Palestinian Authority (PA) might complain about Israel holding it down, the West Bank has a GDP Growth Rate exceeding 5%, whereas (in comparison to) Israel which has a GDP Growth hovering at about 3%.

(COMMENT)

The underlying approach to the US Aid to Israel is driven by those motivates and behaviors that enable Israel to maintain its Qualitative Military Edge (QME) over its most probable adversaries. Israel is the only parliamentary democracy in the world that will accept Jewish People hands down. While there is the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in the far eastern sector of the Russian Federation, its immigration policy and access are still subject to Federation Law. The Oblast is very small in terms of its population (less than 100K) and its immediate access to international trade routes is non-existent.

There are many that tend to look at the Question of Palestine in a parochial fashion; unable to see the true need and value. Some are persuaded emotionally, some are convinced by means of fact manipulation, and some are just on the bandwagon.

While it is true to say that Israel is not perfect in all that it has done and all that it is doing now → it would be a huge mistake for the nations of the world to allow the stage to be set today for the collapse of the Jewish National Home tomorrow.

Remember: Last year, marked the 100th year anniversary of the organized anti-Jewish violence of 1920 erupted just as the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) was coming to a close and the Arab would become, again, masters of their own self-determination. The Jewish settlements in Kfar Tavor, Degania, Rosh Pina, Ayelet Hashahar, Mishmar Hayarden, Kfar Giladi and Metulla were all subject to the harsh hand of renegade Arabs running amok. These events were the catalyst in the formation of the Haganah (defence system consisting of Jewish farmers who watched over the kibbutzim). Thus was born the need for that QME.

Most Respectfully,
R


.

 

[Kilroy2]

W

RE: Jews, Democrats, and Death
SUBTOPIC: The need to promote open discussion.
⁜→ Killroy2, et al,

BLUF: WoW! I can hardly believe you said that. I mean → really?

There’s nothing we need now more than people who are interested in the wellbeing of the world as a whole. International Relations and Diplomacy are two fields that address this crucial need. They are intertwined, yet have their distinctive traits.
SOURCE: SI Hybrid © 2020 U2B | TechWireAsia | THQ.

Still why don't you move there if you care about it so much.

(COMMENT)
.
America is NOT a • "Love It or Leave It" • nation. America cannot be a world leader if it Economically, Industrially, Politically, or Commercially if it does not understand the central issues of the day. One of those issues is the Israeli 'vs' Palestinian Conflict.

Israel is actually one of the very few productive nations in the Middle East and North African Region.

View attachment 502300
​

Notice that Israel and Japan are on the same level. But more importantly, Israel is the highest-rated country in all of the Arab-speaking world and the highest-rated country in all the Islamic world.

The Question of Palestine is, why turn anything over to the Arab Palestinians that support terrorism, let alone the most developed nation that is working, when they are near totally dependent on Donor Nations to Make payroll? What is the expected outcome of that?

Israel is sitting on one of the key pieces of real estate in the Levant Basin. Now before you jump up and say, oh its all about oil, the United States was a strategic partner with Israel long before the field was discovered.

View attachment 502303
Located in the eastern Mediterranean Sea area off the coast of Israel,
Leviathan Natural Gas Field was discovered in December 2010.
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The very last thing America wants is for such an important energy field resource to fall into the hands of the Islamic Resistant Movement (HAMAS), supported by Iran, and the Fatah dictatorship that may fall into shambles in the power struggle that will follow the death of the 86 year old Chairman of the Fatah Party and President of the State of Palestine, Mahmoud Abbas, now in the 15th year of his four year term.

As for as the ethics go, the establishment of the Jewish State in 1948, was the intention of the Principal Allied Powers in a decision that dates back a century ago in the San Remo Convention of 1920. The running battle with various iterations of the Arabs supporting Palestine (and the interest and support shown by Iran) is nothing short of an epic struggle to establish and maintain the Jewish National Home is an area totally emersed in the various Arab cultures. It is a key concept to establish a safe haven for the Jewish People to evacuate to in an effort to avoid the ravages of the Holocaust. Israel will not always be supported by America. America was certainly not supportive when it turned away 900 Jews and sent them back to German-controlled Europe in 1939 (the MS St Louis Event).

Just a Thumbnail Opposing View from the Cheap Seats,

Most Respectfully,
R

Well in the beginning some of the jewish people were quite the terrorists and militants in the 40's as they fought for independence.

Yet they turned out alright according to your assessment of how well they are doing. They are doing well because of US support and Germany guilt trip support. Yet this was all built on terrorist acts that they committed to get statehood.

Israel will always be supported by the US and Germany. One driven by guilt and the other just caught in the middle.

So when the Palestinians do it then it is all bad. When the Jewish people do it then it is no longer remembered. I am not saying I support terrorism. I just pointing out that it is a two way street. It got Israel to where it is today.

You seem to have missed that point about the terrorism in the 40's?

Did it get them to where they are today?

Yes but Israel also has the “brains and technology “ to build its own weapons
If Israel was cut off ..they have the intelligence to build and create weapons

Some of Israeli weapons are home built and they mostly created the iron dome

Well that is true at this point in time but in the beginning what built that foundation was the US and Germany support and funding. They have received approximately 146 billion dollars from the US since 1985 which dwarfs any other nations that the US gives aid to.

If others received this same amount of attention the could build a nation where they would not have to depend on terrorist organizations.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Palestinians have received enough donations since 1948 to build a nation. Including money from Israel. But that is not what they have been using it for:

International aid has been provided to Palestinians since at least the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. The Palestinians view the aid as keeping the Israeli–Palestinian peace process going, while the Israelis claim that it is used to fund terrorism[1] and removes the imperative to Palestinians to negotiate a settlement of the Israel-Palestinian conflict. The Palestinian National Authority (PA), within the West Bank and Gaza Strip, receives one of the highest levels of aid in the world.[2] Aid has been provided to the Palestinian Authority, Palestinian non-governmental organizations (PNGOs) as well as Palestinian political factions by various foreign governments, international organisations, international non-governmental organizations (INGOs), and charities, besides other sources.

(full article online)

International aid to Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Any other people would have built a Nation, but the Arab Muslim Palestinians primary need is to destroy Israel and take the land back to Islam, which conquered it in the 7th century - only to lose it to the Crusaders and then the Ottoman Empire.


To lose to Muslims is ok. To Christians or Jews......absolutely not.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

Israeli foreign aid - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Kilroy2]

Most Democrats would utterly love for the destruction of Israel ; yet , American Jews vote Democratic

Quite the contradiction then as one of your premises must be wrong.

 

[Kilroy2]

Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

Israeli foreign aid - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US

Total U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (1949-Present)

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

Israeli foreign aid - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US

Total U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (1949-Present)

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.

The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.