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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.

Even Syria signed on the Saudi Peace Initiative. Its not Muslims V Jews at all.
 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

Israel has done more for itself that anyone else, or any other country. Because it must.
Netaniahu was already bringing a lot of African and Asian countries in diplomatically.
What Trump did was good, but it was self serving and not because he likes Jews or Israel.
Marrying a corrupt man like her father does not mean that Trump now likes Jews. Ask Michael Cohen, and all the other people who worked for him, on how he talked and probably still talks and thinks about Jews. His father was also antisemitic. That is where he learned it from. Ask Barbara Res who worked for him for 15 years.

Wanting Jewish votes is not the same as respecting Jews or Israel.

What he did for Israel was a means to an end. Votes.
Right dummy ?? He put together a 4 nation peace treaty
You’re a big dolt
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem
[ As I said before, dipomacy with Muslims/ Arab countries started with Netaniahu, and this was more of a business agreement than a Peace Treaty, the kind Israel signed with Jordan and Egypt ]


These agreements, while historic in their own right, are not exactly peace treaties, as Israel was not at war with the UAE or Bahrain. These countries did not participate in the series of wars other Arab countries fought with Israel in the mid-20th century, but like all other Arab countries and many Muslim countries around the world, they had long refused to recognize Israel. These oil-rich Gulf states had already been engaged in backroom diplomacy and trade with Israel for some time; Tuesday’s agreements allow them to bring their existing relationships out in the open and deepen them with direct flights, tourism, and open access to each other’s markets.

The agreement with the UAE was announced last month; Bahrain’s participation was revealed only on Friday and drew considerably less attention. The addition of the tiny island nation to the so-called “Abraham Accords” signed Tuesday can be interpreted as a tacit nod from Saudi Arabia, of which Bahrain is a heavily dependent client state. Neither country’s head of state attended the ceremony; their foreign ministers represented them instead. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, for whom Tuesday’s agreement was most politically salient, came to sign it personally.

For the Bahraini King Hamad Al Khalifa and Prince Mohammed bin Zayed of Abu Dhabi, the de facto ruler of the UAE, the politics are a little more complicated, and neither leader was necessarily eager to be photographed shaking hands (or bumping elbows) with Netanyahu. These countries are by no means democracies, and these rulers’ subjects are much more motivated by the Palestinian cause and anti-Israel sentiment than they are. The Emirati leader’s absence in particular raised some eyebrows, as he is friendly with Trump and the president’s son-in-law/Middle East adviser Jared Kushner, and led to some speculation about why he would avoid Washington on such a historic occasion.

Netanyahu is the big winner here, having successfully manipulated two wealthy Arab states into normalizing relations — or given them sufficient cover to do so — with the help of Trump and Kushner. The UAE agreed to establish ties in return for Israel suspending (but not abandoning) an extremely controversial plan to annex the West Bank, which Kushner effectively invited with the one-sided, unworkable Israeli-Palestinian peace plan he unveiled in January. Perhaps this was the endgame all along, in which case the annexation threat was a clever if ham-fisted diplomatic coup.

(full article online)

Go back to the 60s because you know zero
Zero is the amount of proof you have to sustain your theories.
The proof is the 4 major peace treaties !
You think he did this for votes lol
The Jewish vote means zero
 

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You think the Evangels were going to vote for China Joe
 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.

Even Syria signed on the Saudi Peace Initiative. Its not Muslims V Jews at all.
The Initiative never did take place.

Syria seems to have sign on another Arab Peace Initiative, not the Saudi Peace Initiative.

 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.

Even Syria signed on the Saudi Peace Initiative. Its not Muslims V Jews at all.
The Initiative never did take place.

Syria seems to have sign on another Arab Peace Initiative, not the Saudi Peace Initiative.


The Saudi Peace Initiative is still on the table.. since 2002.
 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.

Even Syria signed on the Saudi Peace Initiative. Its not Muslims V Jews at all.
The Initiative never did take place.

Syria seems to have sign on another Arab Peace Initiative, not the Saudi Peace Initiative.


The Saudi Peace Initiative is still on the table.. since 2002.
It is on flatline
 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
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The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.

Even Syria signed on the Saudi Peace Initiative. Its not Muslims V Jews at all.
The Initiative never did take place.

Syria seems to have sign on another Arab Peace Initiative, not the Saudi Peace Initiative.


The Saudi Peace Initiative is still on the table.. since 2002.
It is on flatline

Of course its flatlined. 29 Arab states signed on to the the terms including to guarantee Israel's safety. Israel wants the rest of the land.
 

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You think the Evangels were going to vote for China Joe
Some apparently saw the light

Did any of this make a difference? In answering that question, we have to rely on the Edison exit polls, since there was no 2016 AP VoteCast survey to compare to the VoteCast numbers this year. Edison in 2016 showed an 80% vote for Trump among White evangelical Protestants and 16% for Hillary Clinton. That compares to Edison's 76% Trump and 24% Biden estimate this year.

 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.

Even Syria signed on the Saudi Peace Initiative. Its not Muslims V Jews at all.
The Initiative never did take place.

Syria seems to have sign on another Arab Peace Initiative, not the Saudi Peace Initiative.


The Saudi Peace Initiative is still on the table.. since 2002.
It is on flatline

Of course its flatlined. 29 Arab states signed on to the the terms including to guarantee Israel's safety. Israel wants the rest of the land.
Israel wants to keep the land it has the right to have in order to keep its population safe.

Are you still missing the history of what happened in 1920, 1925, 1929, 1948, where 100% of the Mandate for Palestine for the recreation of the Jewish Homeland, suddenly became 20% ?
 
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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

Israel has done more for itself that anyone else, or any other country. Because it must.
Netaniahu was already bringing a lot of African and Asian countries in diplomatically.
What Trump did was good, but it was self serving and not because he likes Jews or Israel.
Marrying a corrupt man like her father does not mean that Trump now likes Jews. Ask Michael Cohen, and all the other people who worked for him, on how he talked and probably still talks and thinks about Jews. His father was also antisemitic. That is where he learned it from. Ask Barbara Res who worked for him for 15 years.

Wanting Jewish votes is not the same as respecting Jews or Israel.

What he did for Israel was a means to an end. Votes.
Right dummy ?? He put together a 4 nation peace treaty
You’re a big dolt
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem
[ As I said before, dipomacy with Muslims/ Arab countries started with Netaniahu, and this was more of a business agreement than a Peace Treaty, the kind Israel signed with Jordan and Egypt ]


These agreements, while historic in their own right, are not exactly peace treaties, as Israel was not at war with the UAE or Bahrain. These countries did not participate in the series of wars other Arab countries fought with Israel in the mid-20th century, but like all other Arab countries and many Muslim countries around the world, they had long refused to recognize Israel. These oil-rich Gulf states had already been engaged in backroom diplomacy and trade with Israel for some time; Tuesday’s agreements allow them to bring their existing relationships out in the open and deepen them with direct flights, tourism, and open access to each other’s markets.

The agreement with the UAE was announced last month; Bahrain’s participation was revealed only on Friday and drew considerably less attention. The addition of the tiny island nation to the so-called “Abraham Accords” signed Tuesday can be interpreted as a tacit nod from Saudi Arabia, of which Bahrain is a heavily dependent client state. Neither country’s head of state attended the ceremony; their foreign ministers represented them instead. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, for whom Tuesday’s agreement was most politically salient, came to sign it personally.

For the Bahraini King Hamad Al Khalifa and Prince Mohammed bin Zayed of Abu Dhabi, the de facto ruler of the UAE, the politics are a little more complicated, and neither leader was necessarily eager to be photographed shaking hands (or bumping elbows) with Netanyahu. These countries are by no means democracies, and these rulers’ subjects are much more motivated by the Palestinian cause and anti-Israel sentiment than they are. The Emirati leader’s absence in particular raised some eyebrows, as he is friendly with Trump and the president’s son-in-law/Middle East adviser Jared Kushner, and led to some speculation about why he would avoid Washington on such a historic occasion.

Netanyahu is the big winner here, having successfully manipulated two wealthy Arab states into normalizing relations — or given them sufficient cover to do so — with the help of Trump and Kushner. The UAE agreed to establish ties in return for Israel suspending (but not abandoning) an extremely controversial plan to annex the West Bank, which Kushner effectively invited with the one-sided, unworkable Israeli-Palestinian peace plan he unveiled in January. Perhaps this was the endgame all along, in which case the annexation threat was a clever if ham-fisted diplomatic coup.

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Go back to the 60s because you know zero
Zero is the amount of proof you have to sustain your theories.
The proof is the 4 major peace treaties !
You think he did this for votes lol
The Jewish vote means zero
Which four treaties are you talking about?
Were they signed by both sides?
Are they still in effect?

The American Jewish vote meant a lot to Trump or he would not have waited his time attempting to insult them so that they would " see the light" and vote for him.
He was literally begging for the Jews to vote for him.


August 20, 2019 — Trump says Jewish voters who vote Democratic shows 'great disloyalty'.

 
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