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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

Israel has done more for itself that anyone else, or any other country. Because it must.
Netaniahu was already bringing a lot of African and Asian countries in diplomatically.
What Trump did was good, but it was self serving and not because he likes Jews or Israel.
Marrying a corrupt man like her father does not mean that Trump now likes Jews. Ask Michael Cohen, and all the other people who worked for him, on how he talked and probably still talks and thinks about Jews. His father was also antisemitic. That is where he learned it from. Ask Barbara Res who worked for him for 15 years.

Wanting Jewish votes is not the same as respecting Jews or Israel.

What he did for Israel was a means to an end. Votes.
Right dummy ?? He put together a 4 nation peace treaty
You’re a big dolt
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem
 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

Israel has done more for itself that anyone else, or any other country. Because it must.
Netaniahu was already bringing a lot of African and Asian countries in diplomatically.
What Trump did was good, but it was self serving and not because he likes Jews or Israel.
Marrying a corrupt man like her father does not mean that Trump now likes Jews. Ask Michael Cohen, and all the other people who worked for him, on how he talked and probably still talks and thinks about Jews. His father was also antisemitic. That is where he learned it from. Ask Barbara Res who worked for him for 15 years.

Wanting Jewish votes is not the same as respecting Jews or Israel.

What he did for Israel was a means to an end. Votes.
Right dummy ?? He put together a 4 nation peace treaty
You’re a big dolt
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem
[It was always a means to an end. Nothing to do with Israel or Jews, much less respect for them ]

However, it was clear from the start that the move was also aimed at the evangelical community, who have been some of Trump’s staunchest supporters.

Large number of evangelical Christians in the US believe that God has chosen Trump to advance the kingdom of God on Earth. Several high-profile religious leaders have made similar claims, often comparing Trump to King Cyrus, who was asked by God to rescue the nation of Israel from exile in Babylon.

Prominent Christian supporters of Israel were involved in the embassy inauguration and US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman noted at the time that he believed evangelical Christians “support Israel with much greater fervor and devotion than many in the Jewish community.”

(full article online)

 

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Trump has been a Moses to the Jews
Do not insult Moses. Trump did it for the Evangelical votes, and the minority of Jewish Americans, that is all.
Aka, the Egyptians, who could not care a bit about the Jewish People.
 
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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

Israel has done more for itself that anyone else, or any other country. Because it must.
Netaniahu was already bringing a lot of African and Asian countries in diplomatically.
What Trump did was good, but it was self serving and not because he likes Jews or Israel.
Marrying a corrupt man like her father does not mean that Trump now likes Jews. Ask Michael Cohen, and all the other people who worked for him, on how he talked and probably still talks and thinks about Jews. His father was also antisemitic. That is where he learned it from. Ask Barbara Res who worked for him for 15 years.

Wanting Jewish votes is not the same as respecting Jews or Israel.

What he did for Israel was a means to an end. Votes.
Right dummy ?? He put together a 4 nation peace treaty
You’re a big dolt
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem
[ As I said before, dipomacy with Muslims/ Arab countries started with Netaniahu, and this was more of a business agreement than a Peace Treaty, the kind Israel signed with Jordan and Egypt ]


These agreements, while historic in their own right, are not exactly peace treaties, as Israel was not at war with the UAE or Bahrain. These countries did not participate in the series of wars other Arab countries fought with Israel in the mid-20th century, but like all other Arab countries and many Muslim countries around the world, they had long refused to recognize Israel. These oil-rich Gulf states had already been engaged in backroom diplomacy and trade with Israel for some time; Tuesday’s agreements allow them to bring their existing relationships out in the open and deepen them with direct flights, tourism, and open access to each other’s markets.

The agreement with the UAE was announced last month; Bahrain’s participation was revealed only on Friday and drew considerably less attention. The addition of the tiny island nation to the so-called “Abraham Accords” signed Tuesday can be interpreted as a tacit nod from Saudi Arabia, of which Bahrain is a heavily dependent client state. Neither country’s head of state attended the ceremony; their foreign ministers represented them instead. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, for whom Tuesday’s agreement was most politically salient, came to sign it personally.

For the Bahraini King Hamad Al Khalifa and Prince Mohammed bin Zayed of Abu Dhabi, the de facto ruler of the UAE, the politics are a little more complicated, and neither leader was necessarily eager to be photographed shaking hands (or bumping elbows) with Netanyahu. These countries are by no means democracies, and these rulers’ subjects are much more motivated by the Palestinian cause and anti-Israel sentiment than they are. The Emirati leader’s absence in particular raised some eyebrows, as he is friendly with Trump and the president’s son-in-law/Middle East adviser Jared Kushner, and led to some speculation about why he would avoid Washington on such a historic occasion.

Netanyahu is the big winner here, having successfully manipulated two wealthy Arab states into normalizing relations — or given them sufficient cover to do so — with the help of Trump and Kushner. The UAE agreed to establish ties in return for Israel suspending (but not abandoning) an extremely controversial plan to annex the West Bank, which Kushner effectively invited with the one-sided, unworkable Israeli-Palestinian peace plan he unveiled in January. Perhaps this was the endgame all along, in which case the annexation threat was a clever if ham-fisted diplomatic coup.

(full article online)

 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

Israel has done more for itself that anyone else, or any other country. Because it must.
Netaniahu was already bringing a lot of African and Asian countries in diplomatically.
What Trump did was good, but it was self serving and not because he likes Jews or Israel.
Marrying a corrupt man like her father does not mean that Trump now likes Jews. Ask Michael Cohen, and all the other people who worked for him, on how he talked and probably still talks and thinks about Jews. His father was also antisemitic. That is where he learned it from. Ask Barbara Res who worked for him for 15 years.

Wanting Jewish votes is not the same as respecting Jews or Israel.

What he did for Israel was a means to an end. Votes.
Right dummy ?? He put together a 4 nation peace treaty
You’re a big dolt
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem
[It was always a means to an end. Nothing to do with Israel or Jews, much less respect for them ]

However, it was clear from the start that the move was also aimed at the evangelical community, who have been some of Trump’s staunchest supporters.

Large number of evangelical Christians in the US believe that God has chosen Trump to advance the kingdom of God on Earth. Several high-profile religious leaders have made similar claims, often comparing Trump to King Cyrus, who was asked by God to rescue the nation of Israel from exile in Babylon.

Prominent Christian supporters of Israel were involved in the embassy inauguration and US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman noted at the time that he believed evangelical Christians “support Israel with much greater fervor and devotion than many in the Jewish community.”

(full article online)

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

Israel has done more for itself that anyone else, or any other country. Because it must.
Netaniahu was already bringing a lot of African and Asian countries in diplomatically.
What Trump did was good, but it was self serving and not because he likes Jews or Israel.
Marrying a corrupt man like her father does not mean that Trump now likes Jews. Ask Michael Cohen, and all the other people who worked for him, on how he talked and probably still talks and thinks about Jews. His father was also antisemitic. That is where he learned it from. Ask Barbara Res who worked for him for 15 years.

Wanting Jewish votes is not the same as respecting Jews or Israel.

What he did for Israel was a means to an end. Votes.
Right dummy ?? He put together a 4 nation peace treaty
You’re a big dolt
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem
[ As I said before, dipomacy with Muslims/ Arab countries started with Netaniahu, and this was more of a business agreement than a Peace Treaty, the kind Israel signed with Jordan and Egypt ]


These agreements, while historic in their own right, are not exactly peace treaties, as Israel was not at war with the UAE or Bahrain. These countries did not participate in the series of wars other Arab countries fought with Israel in the mid-20th century, but like all other Arab countries and many Muslim countries around the world, they had long refused to recognize Israel. These oil-rich Gulf states had already been engaged in backroom diplomacy and trade with Israel for some time; Tuesday’s agreements allow them to bring their existing relationships out in the open and deepen them with direct flights, tourism, and open access to each other’s markets.

The agreement with the UAE was announced last month; Bahrain’s participation was revealed only on Friday and drew considerably less attention. The addition of the tiny island nation to the so-called “Abraham Accords” signed Tuesday can be interpreted as a tacit nod from Saudi Arabia, of which Bahrain is a heavily dependent client state. Neither country’s head of state attended the ceremony; their foreign ministers represented them instead. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, for whom Tuesday’s agreement was most politically salient, came to sign it personally.

For the Bahraini King Hamad Al Khalifa and Prince Mohammed bin Zayed of Abu Dhabi, the de facto ruler of the UAE, the politics are a little more complicated, and neither leader was necessarily eager to be photographed shaking hands (or bumping elbows) with Netanyahu. These countries are by no means democracies, and these rulers’ subjects are much more motivated by the Palestinian cause and anti-Israel sentiment than they are. The Emirati leader’s absence in particular raised some eyebrows, as he is friendly with Trump and the president’s son-in-law/Middle East adviser Jared Kushner, and led to some speculation about why he would avoid Washington on such a historic occasion.

Netanyahu is the big winner here, having successfully manipulated two wealthy Arab states into normalizing relations — or given them sufficient cover to do so — with the help of Trump and Kushner. The UAE agreed to establish ties in return for Israel suspending (but not abandoning) an extremely controversial plan to annex the West Bank, which Kushner effectively invited with the one-sided, unworkable Israeli-Palestinian peace plan he unveiled in January. Perhaps this was the endgame all along, in which case the annexation threat was a clever if ham-fisted diplomatic coup.

(full article online)

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

Israel has done more for itself that anyone else, or any other country. Because it must.
Netaniahu was already bringing a lot of African and Asian countries in diplomatically.
What Trump did was good, but it was self serving and not because he likes Jews or Israel.
Marrying a corrupt man like her father does not mean that Trump now likes Jews. Ask Michael Cohen, and all the other people who worked for him, on how he talked and probably still talks and thinks about Jews. His father was also antisemitic. That is where he learned it from. Ask Barbara Res who worked for him for 15 years.

Wanting Jewish votes is not the same as respecting Jews or Israel.

What he did for Israel was a means to an end. Votes.
Right dummy ?? He put together a 4 nation peace treaty
You’re a big dolt
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem
[It was always a means to an end. Nothing to do with Israel or Jews, much less respect for them ]

However, it was clear from the start that the move was also aimed at the evangelical community, who have been some of Trump’s staunchest supporters.

Large number of evangelical Christians in the US believe that God has chosen Trump to advance the kingdom of God on Earth. Several high-profile religious leaders have made similar claims, often comparing Trump to King Cyrus, who was asked by God to rescue the nation of Israel from exile in Babylon.

Prominent Christian supporters of Israel were involved in the embassy inauguration and US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman noted at the time that he believed evangelical Christians “support Israel with much greater fervor and devotion than many in the Jewish community.”

(full article online)

100 percent lie !! You are a pathological liar and a peon
Calling people names is not proof of facts.

You have not shown me one proof that Trump did not do all of that for the Evangelical and Jewish votes order to be re-elected in 2020.
 
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...and still have time to write checks to Planned Slaughterhood???
Funnel your precious money through Israel that's what you're supporting anyways. The Palestinians have long been in iron-fisted control of Israeli state politics.
The Palestinians have leaders who are some of the richest people in the area. Those two areas receive an enormous amount of money to "rebuild" again and again and have no interest in becoming self sufficient from the EU and others who continuously donate Gaza and the PA money and other things.

Why are Gaza and the PA still dependent on Israel for Electricity? Are you aware that Egypt and Jordan did not put any infrastructure in those areas between 1948 and 1967 when they held those areas?

Why didn't Egypt and Jordan help the Arabs in Gaza and all of Judea and Samaria to create their own country with East Jerusalem as its capital? It was in their hands. And the Arabs never went against those two countries. Not once during that time. Why?

Yes, the Palestinians are in iron-fisted control......of Hamas and the PA who continue to educate the population that they are victims of Israel, and not of their own decision to keep that population without a country of their own.
 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

Israel has done more for itself that anyone else, or any other country. Because it must.
Netaniahu was already bringing a lot of African and Asian countries in diplomatically.
What Trump did was good, but it was self serving and not because he likes Jews or Israel.
Marrying a corrupt man like her father does not mean that Trump now likes Jews. Ask Michael Cohen, and all the other people who worked for him, on how he talked and probably still talks and thinks about Jews. His father was also antisemitic. That is where he learned it from. Ask Barbara Res who worked for him for 15 years.

Wanting Jewish votes is not the same as respecting Jews or Israel.

What he did for Israel was a means to an end. Votes.
Right dummy ?? He put together a 4 nation peace treaty
You’re a big dolt
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem
[ As I said before, dipomacy with Muslims/ Arab countries started with Netaniahu, and this was more of a business agreement than a Peace Treaty, the kind Israel signed with Jordan and Egypt ]


These agreements, while historic in their own right, are not exactly peace treaties, as Israel was not at war with the UAE or Bahrain. These countries did not participate in the series of wars other Arab countries fought with Israel in the mid-20th century, but like all other Arab countries and many Muslim countries around the world, they had long refused to recognize Israel. These oil-rich Gulf states had already been engaged in backroom diplomacy and trade with Israel for some time; Tuesday’s agreements allow them to bring their existing relationships out in the open and deepen them with direct flights, tourism, and open access to each other’s markets.

The agreement with the UAE was announced last month; Bahrain’s participation was revealed only on Friday and drew considerably less attention. The addition of the tiny island nation to the so-called “Abraham Accords” signed Tuesday can be interpreted as a tacit nod from Saudi Arabia, of which Bahrain is a heavily dependent client state. Neither country’s head of state attended the ceremony; their foreign ministers represented them instead. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, for whom Tuesday’s agreement was most politically salient, came to sign it personally.

For the Bahraini King Hamad Al Khalifa and Prince Mohammed bin Zayed of Abu Dhabi, the de facto ruler of the UAE, the politics are a little more complicated, and neither leader was necessarily eager to be photographed shaking hands (or bumping elbows) with Netanyahu. These countries are by no means democracies, and these rulers’ subjects are much more motivated by the Palestinian cause and anti-Israel sentiment than they are. The Emirati leader’s absence in particular raised some eyebrows, as he is friendly with Trump and the president’s son-in-law/Middle East adviser Jared Kushner, and led to some speculation about why he would avoid Washington on such a historic occasion.

Netanyahu is the big winner here, having successfully manipulated two wealthy Arab states into normalizing relations — or given them sufficient cover to do so — with the help of Trump and Kushner. The UAE agreed to establish ties in return for Israel suspending (but not abandoning) an extremely controversial plan to annex the West Bank, which Kushner effectively invited with the one-sided, unworkable Israeli-Palestinian peace plan he unveiled in January. Perhaps this was the endgame all along, in which case the annexation threat was a clever if ham-fisted diplomatic coup.

(full article online)

Go back to the 60s because you know zero
Zero is the amount of proof you have to sustain your theories.
 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

Israel has done more for itself that anyone else, or any other country. Because it must.
Netaniahu was already bringing a lot of African and Asian countries in diplomatically.
What Trump did was good, but it was self serving and not because he likes Jews or Israel.
Marrying a corrupt man like her father does not mean that Trump now likes Jews. Ask Michael Cohen, and all the other people who worked for him, on how he talked and probably still talks and thinks about Jews. His father was also antisemitic. That is where he learned it from. Ask Barbara Res who worked for him for 15 years.

Wanting Jewish votes is not the same as respecting Jews or Israel.

What he did for Israel was a means to an end. Votes.
Right dummy ?? He put together a 4 nation peace treaty
You’re a big dolt
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem
[It was always a means to an end. Nothing to do with Israel or Jews, much less respect for them ]

However, it was clear from the start that the move was also aimed at the evangelical community, who have been some of Trump’s staunchest supporters.

Large number of evangelical Christians in the US believe that God has chosen Trump to advance the kingdom of God on Earth. Several high-profile religious leaders have made similar claims, often comparing Trump to King Cyrus, who was asked by God to rescue the nation of Israel from exile in Babylon.

Prominent Christian supporters of Israel were involved in the embassy inauguration and US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman noted at the time that he believed evangelical Christians “support Israel with much greater fervor and devotion than many in the Jewish community.”

(full article online)

100 percent lie !! You are a pathological liar and a peon
Here. From Equus mouth. A video of Trump saying exactly what I said he did it for:



Donald Trump admitted his decision to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem was made largely for Evangelical Christians, a community staunchly supportive of his presidency.

Speaking at a campaign rally in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, on Monday, the president also suggested that ”the evangelicals” were more enthusiastic about his decision than Jewish people.

(vide video online)

 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

ELECTION YEAR
CANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus
Is that your proof. Sorry in the real world Obama has done more for Israel


Obama provided Israel with the largest amount of American military aid in U.S. history, including:
  • Over $3 billion per year to assist Israel’s military to ensure it has the latest and most efficient technologies and weapons available; and
  • $275 million in supplemental funding to develop the Iron Dome missile system, praised by Israel’s defense leaders for its “exceptional” success at saving the lives of Israelis who live under threat from Hamas’ rockets.
  • Additional funding for the Arrow and David’s Sling missile systems, bringing the total funding for missile defense to $650 million -- double the amount spent by the Bush Administration.

Obama restored Israel’s Qualitative Military Edge (QME) with advanced weaponry by:
  • Signing the U.S.-Israel Enhanced Security Act;
  • Selling Israel bunker busting bombs and F-35 fighter planes while fast-tracking arms sales;
  • Committing American troops to the 2009 Juniper Cobra and 2012 Austere Challenge joint military exercises -- the largest and most extensive exercises ever with Israel;
  • Authorizing Israel to use American weapons stored in Israel during an emergency; and
  • Working with Israel to combat smuggling into Gaza.

Obama’s diplomatic support for Israel is unparalleled. President Obama:
  • Forcefully opposed the Palestinians’ attempt to unilaterallydeclare a state;
  • Rallied the world against a nuclear-armed Iran and continues to lead the sanctions effort by example;
  • Voted with Israel 100% of the time at the United Nations, a first in modern history;
  • Defended Israel’s legitimacy on the world stage, and vocally protested efforts to isolate Israel at the United Nations and in UN bodies;
  • Consistently affirmed the U.S.-Israel bond; and
  • Asserted Israel’s right to self-defense repeatedly – including against the Gaza flotilla.

Obama personally came to Israel’s aid immediately when it needed it most. President Obama:
  • Answered Israel’s “3 am phone call” and personally intervened to rescue Israel’s diplomats in Cairo; and
  • Personally ordered that Israel receive “whatever it need[ed]” to put out the Carmel fire.

PM Benjamin Netanyahu endorsed President Obama’s strategy on Iran in a speech before the U.N. General Assembly. “Two days ago President Obama reiterated that the threat of a nuclear Iran cannot be contained,” Netanyahu said. “We thank and support President Obama for his position

If your care to post what Trump has done well I am sure he did something. Oh but he ran out of time when he got kicked out of office.
 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

Israel has done more for itself that anyone else, or any other country. Because it must.
Netaniahu was already bringing a lot of African and Asian countries in diplomatically.
What Trump did was good, but it was self serving and not because he likes Jews or Israel.
Marrying a corrupt man like her father does not mean that Trump now likes Jews. Ask Michael Cohen, and all the other people who worked for him, on how he talked and probably still talks and thinks about Jews. His father was also antisemitic. That is where he learned it from. Ask Barbara Res who worked for him for 15 years.

Wanting Jewish votes is not the same as respecting Jews or Israel.

What he did for Israel was a means to an end. Votes.
Right dummy ?? He put together a 4 nation peace treaty
You’re a big dolt
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem
[It was always a means to an end. Nothing to do with Israel or Jews, much less respect for them ]

However, it was clear from the start that the move was also aimed at the evangelical community, who have been some of Trump’s staunchest supporters.

Large number of evangelical Christians in the US believe that God has chosen Trump to advance the kingdom of God on Earth. Several high-profile religious leaders have made similar claims, often comparing Trump to King Cyrus, who was asked by God to rescue the nation of Israel from exile in Babylon.

Prominent Christian supporters of Israel were involved in the embassy inauguration and US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman noted at the time that he believed evangelical Christians “support Israel with much greater fervor and devotion than many in the Jewish community.”

(full article online)

Well I am sure he had supporters in the religious community but he was hardly the next messiah.

Yet the facts speak clearly instead of doing hail Mary's

We know the that Biden beat him in the Jewish vote.

Exit polling done for NBC News (among voters who have completed voting or reached by telephone), showed that among Catholics, 51 per cent voted for Biden, compared to 47 per cent for Trump.

Among those who identify as Protestant — this would combine various denominations — 37 per cent voted Biden, compared to 62 per cent for Trump.

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So yeah evang protestant do vote republican. Trump being a republican benefits from this.

To boast how god fearing Trump is begs the question do they vote for him or just voting against the democrats ?
 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

Israel has done more for itself that anyone else, or any other country. Because it must.
Netaniahu was already bringing a lot of African and Asian countries in diplomatically.
What Trump did was good, but it was self serving and not because he likes Jews or Israel.
Marrying a corrupt man like her father does not mean that Trump now likes Jews. Ask Michael Cohen, and all the other people who worked for him, on how he talked and probably still talks and thinks about Jews. His father was also antisemitic. That is where he learned it from. Ask Barbara Res who worked for him for 15 years.

Wanting Jewish votes is not the same as respecting Jews or Israel.

What he did for Israel was a means to an end. Votes.
Right dummy ?? He put together a 4 nation peace treaty
You’re a big dolt
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem
[It was always a means to an end. Nothing to do with Israel or Jews, much less respect for them ]

However, it was clear from the start that the move was also aimed at the evangelical community, who have been some of Trump’s staunchest supporters.

Large number of evangelical Christians in the US believe that God has chosen Trump to advance the kingdom of God on Earth. Several high-profile religious leaders have made similar claims, often comparing Trump to King Cyrus, who was asked by God to rescue the nation of Israel from exile in Babylon.

Prominent Christian supporters of Israel were involved in the embassy inauguration and US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman noted at the time that he believed evangelical Christians “support Israel with much greater fervor and devotion than many in the Jewish community.”

(full article online)

100 percent lie !! You are a pathological liar and a peon
Here. From Equus mouth. A video of Trump saying exactly what I said he did it for:



Donald Trump admitted his decision to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem was made largely for Evangelical Christians, a community staunchly supportive of his presidency.

Speaking at a campaign rally in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, on Monday, the president also suggested that ”the evangelicals” were more enthusiastic about his decision than Jewish people.

(vide video online)


Really does show that he did it for the votes with no idea about keeping the peace. America first.
 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

Israel has done more for itself that anyone else, or any other country. Because it must.
Netaniahu was already bringing a lot of African and Asian countries in diplomatically.
What Trump did was good, but it was self serving and not because he likes Jews or Israel.
Marrying a corrupt man like her father does not mean that Trump now likes Jews. Ask Michael Cohen, and all the other people who worked for him, on how he talked and probably still talks and thinks about Jews. His father was also antisemitic. That is where he learned it from. Ask Barbara Res who worked for him for 15 years.

Wanting Jewish votes is not the same as respecting Jews or Israel.

What he did for Israel was a means to an end. Votes.
Right dummy ?? He put together a 4 nation peace treaty
You’re a big dolt
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem
[It was always a means to an end. Nothing to do with Israel or Jews, much less respect for them ]

However, it was clear from the start that the move was also aimed at the evangelical community, who have been some of Trump’s staunchest supporters.

Large number of evangelical Christians in the US believe that God has chosen Trump to advance the kingdom of God on Earth. Several high-profile religious leaders have made similar claims, often comparing Trump to King Cyrus, who was asked by God to rescue the nation of Israel from exile in Babylon.

Prominent Christian supporters of Israel were involved in the embassy inauguration and US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman noted at the time that he believed evangelical Christians “support Israel with much greater fervor and devotion than many in the Jewish community.”

(full article online)

100 percent lie !! You are a pathological liar and a peon
Here. From Equus mouth. A video of Trump saying exactly what I said he did it for:



Donald Trump admitted his decision to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem was made largely for Evangelical Christians, a community staunchly supportive of his presidency.

Speaking at a campaign rally in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, on Monday, the president also suggested that ”the evangelicals” were more enthusiastic about his decision than Jewish people.

(vide video online)


Really does show that he did it for the votes with no idea about keeping the peace. America first.
He did it for his love of Jewish
 

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  • Some American Jews are sharply condemning President Donald Trump's remarks that Israel is "your country" as anti-Semitic.
  • "We really appreciate you, we love your country also and thank you very much," Trump said during a call with American Jewish leaders on Wednesday.
  • "It's really important that we separate out American Jews and Israel — we are not one in the same. It's anti-Semitic to suggest that we are," said Sophie Ellman-Golan, a progressive Jewish strategist.
  • The outrage comes as Trump has made attempts to rally support from Jewish voters, which some have dismissed as "pandering" to his own base.

He has done more for the Jews than anyone on earth
Go back to the 60s, you hippie bum
 

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Trump is their father and Jews are his children
 

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Israeli foreign aid relates to the development assistance and humanitarian aid provided by Israel to foreign countries. Israel provides assistance to developing countries to alleviate and solve economic and social problems through its international cooperation program of technical assistance, based on its own recent and ongoing experience in developing human and material resources. Israel's Agency for International Development Cooperation, established as an agency of the Israeli Foreign Ministry in 1958 and known by its Hebrew acronym, MASHAV, is the primary vehicle for providing this aid.[1]

In the 1970s, Israel broadened its aid agenda by granting safe haven to refugees and foreign nationals in distress from around the world. Since the 1980s, Israel has also provided humanitarian aid to places affected by natural disasters and terrorist attacks. In 1995, the Israeli Foreign Ministry and Israel Defense Forces established a permanent humanitarian and emergency aid unit, which has carried out humanitarian operations worldwide. In addition to providing humanitarian supplies, Israel has also sent rescue teams and medical personnel and set up mobile field hospitals in disaster-stricken areas worldwide.[2]

(full article online)

They both receive aid.

Israeli has received 102,435 million in military aid and 32,338 million in economic aid over the years just from the US




Trump with Kushner whispering in his ear did cut aid to Palestinians, Kushner tried to push for all aid to be cut.

I tried to find the total for Palestinian aid but have given up on that.

It is know that they do not get military aid. I would suspect that the aid they did receive is far less than what was given to Israeli.
The Military aid that Gaza and the PA comes from Iran and Hezbollah mostly via tunnels that even Egypt has destroyed in an attempt to make them stop the attacks on Egypt itself.

Most Muslim countries have stopped donating to Gaza and the PA having become aware in the past 10 years, or so, that the Palestinians want nothing to do with any peace with Israel.

Iran wants the destruction of Israel, and uses Hamas and Hezbollah as it main methods of achieving that objective.

Any help to the Palestinians by the EU or the USA, etc, attempts to have nothing get to Hamas, but again and again that does not happen.

The money is wasted on tunnels towards Israel and Egypt, buying anything to make rockets aimed at Israel.

These are some of the reasons why the US and others should stop helping the Palestinians, until the leaders come to the conclusion that they won't have the power to attack Israel anymore and will have to come to the table, as Egypt and Jordan did.

The difference between Egypt and Jordan....and the Palestinians is that the leaders of those countries cared about how their people were affected by all the wars against Israel, which left those countries in economic jeopardy .

The Palestinians, on the other hand, keep being given money, and more money and more things.
Yes, the people are suffering and dying in order to destroy Israel, but the leaders do not care.

The question is does Palestinians want peace and most would say yes

IF you add peace with Israel then some will say no

IF you ask Israelis do they want peace then they would say yes

If you ask if they want peace with Palestinians then they would say no

That is the situation which is the hate and mistrust from both sides.

Foreign players will play on that and fed on that mistrust. Until both sides can agree that they each have a right to exist then their never will be peace.

So that requires a leader who will be highly unpopular but see a goal that must be achieved.
You are not following history when writing the first four paragraphs.

There is the Arab League, which has pledged NO peace, No Recognition of Israel and NO Negotiations with Israel. The famous NOs.
----------

The Khartoum Resolution of 1 September 1967 was issued at the conclusion of the 1967 Arab League summit, which was convened in the wake of the Six-Day War in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. The resolution is famous for containing (in the third paragraph) what became known as the "Three Nos": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...."[1]



No, means NO in Muslim Arab language.

They have been offered 95% of what they had asked for and Arafat turned around and did not even say no, he simply walked away.

Olmert offered about the same. Same result. NO.

I will say it again: The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel, because as Muslims.....They want ALL of Israel.

The Muslims, aka the Hashemite, were gladly given 78% of the Mandate in 1922 without deserving it as they had moved into the area of Transjordan only a few years before due to being kicked out of Arabia. Gaza was given up in 2005.

20% is what is left for the Jewish People out of their ancestral territory. The Muslims cannot allow the Jews to have even 1%.


When looking at history, one comes to understand what is going on over there. It is not a Israel-Palestinian conflict, but a Muslims against Jews conflict.
To be fair : Israel only controlled some lands in Egypt , Lebanon , Syria., Jordan for a short time
. Now the West Bank has always been their land but it has several million Arabs

Jerusalem is the biggest prize and that is secured
Israel never controlled any Egyptian land.

Egypt captured Gaza in 1948, just as Jordan captured Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem also in the 1948 Arab started war.

In 1967 the Arab states tried again and lost those lands to Israel.

What land did Israel ever have from Syria?

The Lebanese asked Israel for help. Israel's mistake was to help.

Judea and Samaria does have Arabs living in it, just as in Israel, because Jews do not do as the Muslims do.
The Muslims ethnically cleansed Gaza of Jews in 1920. TransJordan in 1925. Hebron in 1929 and Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948.

When Israel got some of that back in 1967, it did not do the same, but hoped for peace.

Still hoping.


As far as the topic of the thread goes, democrats are not against Israel, or Jews. Two Muslims against Israel does not the party make.

The Republicans have several groups which are totally against Jews, like the Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, Qanon, and some evangelical groups which are only for Israel because of a belief that Jesus will be coming back.

I will take the Democrats who give human rights, voting rights, women's rights and many other rights, to the Republicans who have only been taking all those rights away, at least for the past 40 years.

Not to count all of the Republicans who keep dreaming of having slavery back. That is the only way many Republicans can look at the African population in America. As slaves, people who are beneath them, not having rights to vote, etc, etc (look at all of the voting restriction laws being passed in so many US states, now)

Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Why did he do the things he did for Israel?
For the Evangelical and Jewish votes.
He got most of the Evangelicals to vote for him, but it was not the same with the Jewish voters.
Trump himself is against Jews. Ask any of the people who ever worked for him.

Well until his daughter married someone of the Jewish faith and he eventually became president and then it became political faith to get votes.

He still lost about 2% of the Jewish vote. So even being a pro Israeli president is not enough. I would guess that it is already a given so they can vote on other issues instead.

ELECTION YEARCANDIDATES% OF JEWISH VOTE% OF NATIONAL VOTE
2020^Biden (D)76--
2020^Trump (R)22--
2016Clinton (D)7148
2016Trump (R)2446
Trump has done more for Israel than any person in US history along with Truman
You ignoramus

Israel has done more for itself that anyone else, or any other country. Because it must.
Netaniahu was already bringing a lot of African and Asian countries in diplomatically.
What Trump did was good, but it was self serving and not because he likes Jews or Israel.
Marrying a corrupt man like her father does not mean that Trump now likes Jews. Ask Michael Cohen, and all the other people who worked for him, on how he talked and probably still talks and thinks about Jews. His father was also antisemitic. That is where he learned it from. Ask Barbara Res who worked for him for 15 years.

Wanting Jewish votes is not the same as respecting Jews or Israel.

What he did for Israel was a means to an end. Votes.
Right dummy ?? He put together a 4 nation peace treaty
You’re a big dolt
He moved the embassy to Jerusalem
[It was always a means to an end. Nothing to do with Israel or Jews, much less respect for them ]

However, it was clear from the start that the move was also aimed at the evangelical community, who have been some of Trump’s staunchest supporters.

Large number of evangelical Christians in the US believe that God has chosen Trump to advance the kingdom of God on Earth. Several high-profile religious leaders have made similar claims, often comparing Trump to King Cyrus, who was asked by God to rescue the nation of Israel from exile in Babylon.

Prominent Christian supporters of Israel were involved in the embassy inauguration and US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman noted at the time that he believed evangelical Christians “support Israel with much greater fervor and devotion than many in the Jewish community.”

(full article online)

Well I am sure he had supporters in the religious community but he was hardly the next messiah.

Yet the facts speak clearly instead of doing hail Mary's

We know the that Biden beat him in the Jewish vote.

Exit polling done for NBC News (among voters who have completed voting or reached by telephone), showed that among Catholics, 51 per cent voted for Biden, compared to 47 per cent for Trump.

Among those who identify as Protestant — this would combine various denominations — 37 per cent voted Biden, compared to 62 per cent for Trump.

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So yeah evang protestant do vote republican. Trump being a republican benefits from this.

To boast how god fearing Trump is begs the question do they vote for him or just voting against the democrats ?
So what ??
American Jews have zero survival sense !!
Israelis love him !!
 

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