Jews and Muslims were once friends

[Penelope]

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

 

[Phoenall]

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

And you would be wrong on that


But nice to show that the false prophet could not have flown to the mosque in Jerusalem as it was not built until well after his death.


And your source for all these claims is which hate site again ?

 

[Kondor3]

More than a thousand years of Dhimmitude...

Yeah... Jews and Muslims were friends...

Rrriiiggghhhttttt....

---------------------------

Nice try, Fatima...

 

[SAYIT]

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

 

[Penelope]

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

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alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

(he goes on to say this)

In the Holy Torah, everywhere the word "Kenite" used, it is translated to Aramaic, it is called Salamai, or Muslamai. Some suggest this refers to the great numbers of non-Jewish believers who came to sacrifice the Qurban Shlamim in Jerusalem together with the Jews. Salamai, Musalamai, Muslims. This could be a clear indication in our literature that Islam is an ancient religion, dating back to second temple times, at least. And if Islam's roots are the same as what we call bnei noah, then it is much older, it is the religion of Noah, and Adam himself.

The closeness of Islam and Judaism was always understood by Biblical Scholars up until recent years. The close relationship between Jews, the ten lost tribes, the Arabs and Rachabites was all assumed. With the advent of German revisionists, Wellhausen and Büchler, and others, this all changed. They introduced ideas that Islam started with Moon or rock worship, or a falling asteroid. Devout Jews know that this is not true.

It is a fact of Jewish Law that we believe that Muslims are perfect monotheists. They worship the same God that we do.

(I understand Israel is to be a secular state, so there is no reason to tear down the mosque and build a temple, is there??)

 

[SAYIT]

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

NEW! Ben Abrahamson on Facebook NEW!
All the newest and best information appears there first

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

I'm not quibbling with the source's facts but rather pointing out its stated agenda. That said, you used it to say Muslims and Jews were once friends and while they haven't always been bitter enemies, calling them friends is a stretch. The timeline you posted predates the existence of Muslims. It does not prove your point.

Do you understand now?

 

[rylah]

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

NEW! Ben Abrahamson on Facebook NEW!
All the newest and best information appears there first

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

A Chassidic

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

NEW! Ben Abrahamson on Facebook NEW!
All the newest and best information appears there first

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

Chassidic 'historian'

The only consultant to ANY Rabbinical court in all of Israel is Rabbi Kanyevsky

 

[Penelope]

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

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alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

I'm not quibbling with the source's facts but rather pointing out its stated agenda. That said, you used it to say Muslims and Jews were once friends and while they haven't always been bitter enemies, calling them friends is a stretch. The timeline you posted predates the existence of Muslims. It does not prove your point.

Do you understand now?

I added to my post, and he feels Islam goes back as far as the second temple, same time Ezra came back from Babylon(I should say visited on an off)

 

[Penelope]

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

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alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

A Chassidic

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

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alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

Chassidic 'historian'

The only consultant to ANY Rabbinical court in all of Israel is Rabbi Kanyevsky

What is the difference?? They are both True Torah Jews aren't they. Actually I'm not fond of zealots from any religion. So what is the difference?

 

[Penelope]

I think what we have in Israel is hypocrisy. Wanting to be a secular country, but using religion and the orthodox jews as a means to take over all of Jerusalem, and the rest of the area, and then get rid of all the orthodox jews and Muslims zealots. I do believe your going about it the wrong way. You can't force progressiveness on people, you have to let it grow. Of course your going to have zealots , but so arrest them.
No what the Zionist have done is created a division to cause unrest as a means to get more land.

 

[rylah]

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

NEW! Ben Abrahamson on Facebook NEW!
All the newest and best information appears there first

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

A Chassidic

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

NEW! Ben Abrahamson on Facebook NEW!
All the newest and best information appears there first

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

Chassidic 'historian'

The only consultant to ANY Rabbinical court in all of Israel is Rabbi Kanyevsky

What is the difference?? They are both True Torah Jews aren't they. Actually I'm not fond of zealots from any religion. So what is the difference?

This 'True Torah Jews" exists only in your dreamworld..and a bunch of hate sites you read. Jews are Jews even when secular and there's only 1 Torah and it's been the same for centuries.

A person with a yarmulka isn't automatically a Rabbi or an authority on Judaism. But there're authorities like Rabbi Kanyevsky who's accepted by all as the most knowledgeable of the generation, and his word is final for all communities.

So I guess there's no difference to you whether you spread LIES or facts when it comes to bashing Jews.

 

[rylah]

I think what we have in Israel is hypocrisy. Wanting to be a secular country, but using religion and the orthodox jews as a means to take over all of Jerusalem, and the rest of the area, and then get rid of all the orthodox jews and Muslims zealots. I do believe your going about it the wrong way. You can't force progressiveness on people, you have to let it grow. Of course your going to have zealots , but so arrest them.
No what the Zionist have done is created a division to cause unrest as a means to get more land.

All we have to do is wait 20-30 years and secularism in Israel will be out of fashion.
Demographics has it's way, that's why the Orthodox community is the youngest and most vibrant in Israel... and that's why we have more than a million Israelis going back to being Jewish.
That's why each year there're more and more Jews at the Temple Mount and the Tombs.

Jews being Jewish is the main problem Muslims face today, especially Jews going back to Zion- it directly stands on the way of Islam building its' stance on the ruins of other religions it came to obliterate.

 

[Penelope]

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

NEW! Ben Abrahamson on Facebook NEW!
All the newest and best information appears there first

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

A Chassidic

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

NEW! Ben Abrahamson on Facebook NEW!
All the newest and best information appears there first

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

Chassidic 'historian'

The only consultant to ANY Rabbinical court in all of Israel is Rabbi Kanyevsky

What is the difference?? They are both True Torah Jews aren't they. Actually I'm not fond of zealots from any religion. So what is the difference?

This 'True Torah Jews" exists only in your dreamworld..and a bunch of hate sites you read. Jews are Jews even when secular and there's only 1 Torah and it's been the same for centuries.

A person with a yarmulka isn't automatically a Rabbi or an authority on Judaism. But there're authorities like Rabbi Kanyevsky who's accepted by all as the most knowledgeable of the generation, and his word is final for all communities.

So I guess there's no difference to you whether you spread LIES or facts when it comes to bashing Jews.

So what makes Rabbi Kanyevshy an authority? the length of his beard or his attire. (or you just like what he says, the messiah is coming crap)

 

[Penelope]

I think what we have in Israel is hypocrisy. Wanting to be a secular country, but using religion and the orthodox jews as a means to take over all of Jerusalem, and the rest of the area, and then get rid of all the orthodox jews and Muslims zealots. I do believe your going about it the wrong way. You can't force progressiveness on people, you have to let it grow. Of course your going to have zealots , but so arrest them.
No what the Zionist have done is created a division to cause unrest as a means to get more land.

All we have to do is wait 20-30 years and secularism in Israel will be out of fashion.

You really think so, so the Orthodox jews are going to wear down the secularist ones, I doubt that very much. As it's Israel that also complains about the orthodox jews not working and having too many babies.
Don't you know its not good to stab an member of the gay parade and burn down Christian churches.

 

[rylah]

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

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alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

A Chassidic

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

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alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

Chassidic 'historian'

The only consultant to ANY Rabbinical court in all of Israel is Rabbi Kanyevsky

What is the difference?? They are both True Torah Jews aren't they. Actually I'm not fond of zealots from any religion. So what is the difference?

This 'True Torah Jews" exists only in your dreamworld..and a bunch of hate sites you read. Jews are Jews even when secular and there's only 1 Torah and it's been the same for centuries.

A person with a yarmulka isn't automatically a Rabbi or an authority on Judaism. But there're authorities like Rabbi Kanyevsky who's accepted by all as the most knowledgeable of the generation, and his word is final for all communities.

So I guess there's no difference to you whether you spread LIES or facts when it comes to bashing Jews.

So what makes Rabbi Kanyevshy an authority? the length of his beard or his attire. (or you just like what he says, the messiah is coming crap)

Knowledge of Torah, works he's written, example, study (which he still does daily for hours).. do your own research...

 

[Penelope]

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

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alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

A Chassidic

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

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alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

Chassidic 'historian'

The only consultant to ANY Rabbinical court in all of Israel is Rabbi Kanyevsky

What is the difference?? They are both True Torah Jews aren't they. Actually I'm not fond of zealots from any religion. So what is the difference?

This 'True Torah Jews" exists only in your dreamworld..and a bunch of hate sites you read. Jews are Jews even when secular and there's only 1 Torah and it's been the same for centuries.

A person with a yarmulka isn't automatically a Rabbi or an authority on Judaism. But there're authorities like Rabbi Kanyevsky who's accepted by all as the most knowledgeable of the generation, and his word is final for all communities.

So I guess there's no difference to you whether you spread LIES or facts when it comes to bashing Jews.

So what makes Rabbi Kanyevshy an authority? the length of his beard or his attire. (or you just like what he says, the messiah is coming crap)

Knowledge of Torah, works he's written, example, study (which he still does daily for hours).. do your own research...

At his age, he studies for hours every day, yes that is why many of you don't have time for work.

 

[rylah]

I think what we have in Israel is hypocrisy. Wanting to be a secular country, but using religion and the orthodox jews as a means to take over all of Jerusalem, and the rest of the area, and then get rid of all the orthodox jews and Muslims zealots. I do believe your going about it the wrong way. You can't force progressiveness on people, you have to let it grow. Of course your going to have zealots , but so arrest them.
No what the Zionist have done is created a division to cause unrest as a means to get more land.

All we have to do is wait 20-30 years and secularism in Israel will be out of fashion.

You really think so, so the Orthodox jews are going to wear down the secularist ones, I doubt that very much. As it's Israel that also complains about the orthodox jews not working and having too many babies.
Don't you know its not good to stab an member of the gay parade and burn down Christian churches.

No one is wearing anyone down, Jews go back to being Jewish because they feel the spot in their soul, each people has its' ways- being Jewish is the way we were used to for thousands of years...it won't change with 2-3 generation of Frankist ideology.

Otherwise how would you explain successful secular people taking 613 commandments/restrictions upon themselves in the modern age? Roots.

The only ones complaining are the leftists who usually work at demonstrations, fabricating videos and other unproductive revolutionary activities...who happen to be usually rich kids.
I'ts all BS..those communities are self sufficient as they were for 2000 years under Romans and who not, and they usually work much more than the average westerner.

 

[rylah]

A Chassidic
Chassidic 'historian'

The only consultant to ANY Rabbinical court in all of Israel is Rabbi Kanyevsky

What is the difference?? They are both True Torah Jews aren't they. Actually I'm not fond of zealots from any religion. So what is the difference?

This 'True Torah Jews" exists only in your dreamworld..and a bunch of hate sites you read. Jews are Jews even when secular and there's only 1 Torah and it's been the same for centuries.

A person with a yarmulka isn't automatically a Rabbi or an authority on Judaism. But there're authorities like Rabbi Kanyevsky who's accepted by all as the most knowledgeable of the generation, and his word is final for all communities.

So I guess there's no difference to you whether you spread LIES or facts when it comes to bashing Jews.

So what makes Rabbi Kanyevshy an authority? the length of his beard or his attire. (or you just like what he says, the messiah is coming crap)

Knowledge of Torah, works he's written, example, study (which he still does daily for hours).. do your own research...

At his age, he studies for hours every day, yes that is why many of you don't have time for work.

You can study all you want but you're still obliged to work-

"With the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, until you return to the ground, for you were taken therefrom, for dust you are, and to dust you will return." Torah Bereshit 3 , 19.

But you know Jews always put a focus on education and knowledge and the fruits of this we see today- leading in technology, science, arts, jurisprudence and many more. Nothing wrong with studying then contributing to the world...as opposed to the Islamic guarding of the illiteracy of its' own people.

 

[Phoenall]

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

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alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

(he goes on to say this)

In the Holy Torah, everywhere the word "Kenite" used, it is translated to Aramaic, it is called Salamai, or Muslamai. Some suggest this refers to the great numbers of non-Jewish believers who came to sacrifice the Qurban Shlamim in Jerusalem together with the Jews. Salamai, Musalamai, Muslims. This could be a clear indication in our literature that Islam is an ancient religion, dating back to second temple times, at least. And if Islam's roots are the same as what we call bnei noah, then it is much older, it is the religion of Noah, and Adam himself.

The closeness of Islam and Judaism was always understood by Biblical Scholars up until recent years. The close relationship between Jews, the ten lost tribes, the Arabs and Rachabites was all assumed. With the advent of German revisionists, Wellhausen and Büchler, and others, this all changed. They introduced ideas that Islam started with Moon or rock worship, or a falling asteroid. Devout Jews know that this is not true.

It is a fact of Jewish Law that we believe that Muslims are perfect monotheists. They worship the same God that we do.

(I understand Israel is to be a secular state, so there is no reason to tear down the mosque and build a temple, is there??)

And being islamic in origin, and written to suit islamic propaganda it is not to be believed without two sources with no links to islam verifying the record.

 

[Phoenall]

Roman Invitations and Jewish attempts to rebuild the Temple

70 C.E., Temple is Destroyed

100 C.E., Trajan gives Jews permission to rebuild the Temple which, however, they neither could nor would make any use.

118 C.E., Hadrian allows the Jews to return to Jerusalem and grants permission for the rebuilding of their Holy Temple, but soon reneges.

132 C.E., Rebel Bar Kochba re-institutes ritual sacrifice in Jerusalem. Aspirations of rebuilding Jewish Temple.

138 C.E., Antoninus Pius allows Jews to return to Jerusalem.

332 C.E., 'Bordeaux Pilgrim' reports that Jews anoint the "lapis perfusus" rock near Hadrian's statues on Temple Mount.

333 C.E., Edict of Milan, Jews start to build Temple.

362 C.E., Julian besieges the Persian city of Ctesiphon. Julian plans to rebuild the Temple and even begins construction.

438 C.E., Eudokia (wife of Theodosius II) gives the Jews permission to pray on Temple Mount.

443 C.E., Eudokia permits Temple reconstruction.

512 C.E., Jewish Exilarch Mar Zutra II tries to make Jewish State in Persia

525 C.E., Joseph Asher Dhu Nuwas, King of the Jewish Kingdom of Arabia, revolts against Rome with Persian help.

584 C.E., Maurice sent Jewish builders from Constantinople to Jerusalem to repair Julian's structure on Temple Mount.

614 C.E., Persian-Jewish alliance conquers Jerusalem, and attempt to construct a temple on Temple Mount

638 C.E., Judeo-Arab alliance conquers Jerusalem. Jews build wooden Temple on Temple Mount

691-692 C.E., Dome of the Rock is built by 'Abd al-Malik on site of Jewish Temple

http://alsadiqin.org/en/index.php?title=The_Persian_and_Islamic_conquests_of_Jerusalem



Quite sure these are both Rabbis.

Ben Abrahamson and Joseph Katz


No. 2 under chapers

(seems now the Zionist want Christians to fight Muslims or arabs) Well unfortunately most of the self proclaimed Jews in Israel are either atheist, secular, or agnostic and do not want religious zealots, they wanted a secular country, what happened now they want a Jewish one, but they don't want orthodox Jews really, but tolerate them, as an excuse to gain all of Jerusalem.
Games you are playing. Its mainly about power and bigotry now. Jews once again think they are better.

I'm not certain what you infer by posting the history of the pre-Mohammed (and pre-Islamic) Middle East. There were no Muslims until the early 7th Century and the religion didn't really spread until the 8th.

Your list does have some interesting facts. Most prominent is the fact that the Jews were conquered and dispersed and then allowed or invited to return. The Jewish Kingdom of Arabia (now Yemen) is more proof that Jews not only predate the Muslims in Israel but also in many places now considered "holy" Islamic turf. In many of those places the indigenous Jews were slaughtered by their "peaceful Muslim friends" or, if lucky, just exiled.

Check out pre-Mohammed Medina, Islam's 2nd holiest site.

Islam was spread by the sword and, as we all know, those who live by the sword...

Your source, BTW, has an interesting agenda:

alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them.

Lets quote it all:
As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullah wa barakatuH

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alsadiqin.org is a website that researches, explores and explains the common heritage of Islam and Judaism. Insha Allah, it strives to conform in every way to sharia and accepted convention according to the doctrine of Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah. Its visitors include Muslims and Jews looking for an alternative conceptual framework to understand the history of Islam and the Banu Israel: One that doesn't assume fundamental, eternal opposition between them. (I am neither, but I do believe what these Rabbis wrote, the stories in the Quran came from somewhere and now we know where, I am a firm believer that Jews helped write the Quran, telling stories and even maybe even some writing of it.)

Ben Abrahamson says on his Facebook site.

I am an orthodox Chassidic Jew from Israel who works as an historian, a consultant, to an important Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

I'm not quibbling with the source's facts but rather pointing out its stated agenda. That said, you used it to say Muslims and Jews were once friends and while they haven't always been bitter enemies, calling them friends is a stretch. The timeline you posted predates the existence of Muslims. It does not prove your point.

Do you understand now?

I added to my post, and he feels Islam goes back as far as the second temple, same time Ezra came back from Babylon(I should say visited on an off)

Second Temple period was during the first 100 years of the first millenia C.E. or in a language you can understand between 1 A.D and 70 A.D