Jewry

[irosie91]

This article could just as well go in the What Are You Reading forum since it does address a lot of history, but, Jewry is a religion. The author is a jew and no doubt he'll be attacked and likely as not the article won't be read- (it's gasp, anti semite and we are all aware that is a sin of the highest order, right?) but here it is. And it brings to light the question I have yet to have satisfactorily answered; Why do US Christians defend jews with such zeal?
This article, while not dwelling on it, points out the animosity jews have for christianity in their "doctrine" which apparently Rabbi's are very well aware of, meaning the teaching is still in existence. Also, in my reading of the novel the Malta Exchange which told briefly of the founding of catholicism, which is the birth of christianity, the expanse of the catholic religion should not be discounted to help understand the fear and hatred the jews have of christianity. Yes, I said hatred. This article, while not saying that explicitly, points out the history of jewry which can only be concluded as hatred though fueled by fear is at the heart, the very core of what drives jewry. Of course if a reader has a different take on the article I would very much enjoy seeing it.

Oddities of the Jewish Religion

About a decade ago, I happened to be talking with an eminent academic scholar who had become known for his sharp criticism of Israeli policies in the Middle East and America’s strong support for them. I mentioned that I myself had come to very similar conclusions some time before, and he asked when that had happened. I told him it had been in 1982, and I think he found my answer quite surprising. I got the sense that date was decades earlier than would have been given by almost anyone else he knew.

Israel can wipe out the Arabs and isn’t.
Jews do not discuss Christians...ever.

That's correct.

But non Jews love discussing Jews.

An eternal fascination.

so true------as a little kid living in a VERY CHRISTIAN town----I spent more time
in churches than in meetings or programs that could be REMOTELY be called
jewish. One cannot attend churches without reading or hearing about
THE JEWS. -------I got older ......... it is notable that a person can go to
synagogues and other "jewish events"-----and NEVER HEAR THE WORD
'Christian' (or any equivalent) or "jesus" -------or a "rabbinic teaching"
about Christianity-------with ONE GLARING exception. There was a famous
Talmudist who was a roman convert-----------he wrote some stuff about 110
AD which---INCLUDES, here and there, the name YESHUA, amongst many
others. Yeshua was a common name at that time. The stuff he wrote was
negative about Yeshua and a bunch of other dead people. ----and that's about
it. People who never hear the word "Christian" or '"Jesus" ----somehow
"HATE CHRISTIANS" ??-----"taught to hate Christians" ??

 

[Votto]

Wow it seems to be a given that I should just accept the conclusion that the Catholic Church is responsible for antisemitism and the Holocaust without any supporting facts.

Catholic Church and Judaism - Wikipedia

My intent was not to dump on the Catholic church as being the only persecutor of Jews in Europe. In fact, Martin Luther split from the Catholic Church and was rabidly anti-Semitic.

But to ignore the role that the Catholic Church played in anti-Semitism is disingenuous, even though you bring up instances where those in the Catholic church have tried to curb anti-Semitism. For example:

1. In 325 AD the Council of Nicea decided to separate the celebration of Easter from the Jewish Passover saying, "For it is unbecoming beyond measure that on this holiest of festivals we should follow the customs of the Jews. Henceforth, let us have nothing in common with this odious people."

2. In 327 Christian Emperor Constantius created a law which made the marriage of a Jewish man to a Christian punishable by death.

3. In 367 St. Hilary of Poiteiers referred to Jews as a perverse people who God has cursed forever. Saint Ephroem referred to synagogues as brothels.

4. In 380 the Bishop of Milan was responsible for the burning of a synagogue, he referred to it as an act of pleasing God.

5. In 415 the Bishop of Alexandria, Saint Cyril, expelled the Jews form an entire city.

6. In 561 the Bishop of Uzes expelled the Jews from his diocese in France.

7. In 613 Jews were given the choice of converting to Christianity or being expelled entirely from Spain. Jewish children over 6 years of age were taken from their parents and raised as Christians.

8. In 855 Jews were exiled from Italy.

9. In 1096 Crusaders passed through Europe to the Holy Land and along the way challenged Jews yelling, "Christ killers, embrace the cross or die!". About 12,000 Jews were murdered. Then when they got to the Holy Land in 1099 they forced all the Jews they could find into a central synagogue and lit it on fire.

10. In 1121 Jews were expelled from Flanders, what is now Belgium.

11. In 1146 the Second Crusade begun as the French monk Rudolf called for the destruction of the Jews.

12. In 1180 French King Phillip Augustus expelled Jews from France, but not before seizing all their wealth and keeping it for himself.

13. In 1205 Pope Innocent 111 srote to the archbishops of Sens and Paris that "the Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord."

14. In 1227 the Synod of Narbonne required Jews to wear an oval badge. This requirement was later reinstated by Hitler.

15. In 1229 the Spanish Inquisition starts to flush out Jews as Pope Innocent lV later authorizes the use of torture by Inquisitors.

16. In 1267 the Synod of Vienna ordered Jews to wear horned hats.

17. In 1290 Jews were expelled from England.

18. In 1298 Jews were persecuted in Austria, Bavaria, and France as about 100,000 Jews were murdered in a 6 month period.

19 .In 1394 Jews were exiled a second time from France.

20. In 1497 Jews were banished from Portugal.

21. In 1516 the Governor of Venice decided that Jews would be permitted to live in a ghetto area known as the "Ghetto Novo". This was the first Jewish ghetto in Europe.

22. In 1555 the Roman Catholic Papal bull, "Cum nimis absurdum", required Jews to wear badges, and live in ghettos. They were also not allowed to own property. Woman had to wear a yellow scarf, men had to wear a piece of yellow cloth on their hat to help identify them.

But as I read past the life of Martin Luther, a time when the Guttenberg press had given the average person the written word of God to read for themselves, these Catholic atrocities waned considerably. The state then moved in as the Catholic church waned in political power in Europe.

1. In 1648 Chmielnicki Bogdan led an uprising against the Polish rule in the Ukraine. The second goal was to kill Jews as about 100,000 Jews were slaughtered.

2. In 1905 the Okhrana, the Russian secret police, created a document called the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion", which is used to persecute Jews to this very day. This later incited violence against Jews in 1915 and 1917 in the region that cost about 300,000 Jewish lives.

Then Hitler finished if all off with the anti-Semitic climax of European oppression of the Jew.

Naturally, there is far more here than I listed and by no means a comprehensive list.

My whole interpretation of these facts is that the state is to blame, and since the Catholic church for a time took on the role of the state, they engaged in such behavior. Once the Catholic church became more of a religious institution in the 1940's than a political one, they secretly opposed the Holocaust. Notice though that I said secretly, because had they come out publicly against the Holocaust, they all would have wound up like Bonhoeffer with their precious treasures in the Vatican to be looted. They were not willing to give up their lives to make such a righteous stand nor willing to give up their treasures like the prophets and apostles and early church had willingly done before them.

And this sort of thing still goes on today in the Catholic church. They still have their little world city that engages in politics, albeit not to the same extent as it once did, thank God. The same reason that the Catholic church was afraid to speak out publicly against the Holocaust is the same reason a Left wing Pope get up their today to preach about the evils of building walls (Orange man bad don't ya know just like Hitler) instead of addressing the church identified Holocaust of abortion today. Much to their shame. They are more tuned into pleasing the Left wing world powers that seem to rule the world to help increase their own worldly influence in it than focusing on brining the kingdom of God to the world.

But am I condemning all Catholics? No, but to ignore these facts, such as the Pope ignoring the pedophile problem in the church and continuing to play politics, is why the church continues to wane in importance and influence spiritually in the world today.

IF God was willing to burn his temple in Jerusalem because of apostasy he certainly will have no qualms about doing the same to the Vatican.

I don’t believe it is possible to fully understand how the church softened the rule of monarchy and the atrocities of the Nazis. It seems too easy to throw rocks at her. That’s just human nature.

And softened the genocide of abortion, at least according to official church positions on the matter, and continues to minimize the pedophile crisis within the church, etc.

No, they have not learned much over the years, politics is still more important to them than God's work.

 

[ding]

Wow it seems to be a given that I should just accept the conclusion that the Catholic Church is responsible for antisemitism and the Holocaust without any supporting facts.

Catholic Church and Judaism - Wikipedia

My intent was not to dump on the Catholic church as being the only persecutor of Jews in Europe. In fact, Martin Luther split from the Catholic Church and was rabidly anti-Semitic.

But to ignore the role that the Catholic Church played in anti-Semitism is disingenuous, even though you bring up instances where those in the Catholic church have tried to curb anti-Semitism. For example:

1. In 325 AD the Council of Nicea decided to separate the celebration of Easter from the Jewish Passover saying, "For it is unbecoming beyond measure that on this holiest of festivals we should follow the customs of the Jews. Henceforth, let us have nothing in common with this odious people."

2. In 327 Christian Emperor Constantius created a law which made the marriage of a Jewish man to a Christian punishable by death.

3. In 367 St. Hilary of Poiteiers referred to Jews as a perverse people who God has cursed forever. Saint Ephroem referred to synagogues as brothels.

4. In 380 the Bishop of Milan was responsible for the burning of a synagogue, he referred to it as an act of pleasing God.

5. In 415 the Bishop of Alexandria, Saint Cyril, expelled the Jews form an entire city.

6. In 561 the Bishop of Uzes expelled the Jews from his diocese in France.

7. In 613 Jews were given the choice of converting to Christianity or being expelled entirely from Spain. Jewish children over 6 years of age were taken from their parents and raised as Christians.

8. In 855 Jews were exiled from Italy.

9. In 1096 Crusaders passed through Europe to the Holy Land and along the way challenged Jews yelling, "Christ killers, embrace the cross or die!". About 12,000 Jews were murdered. Then when they got to the Holy Land in 1099 they forced all the Jews they could find into a central synagogue and lit it on fire.

10. In 1121 Jews were expelled from Flanders, what is now Belgium.

11. In 1146 the Second Crusade begun as the French monk Rudolf called for the destruction of the Jews.

12. In 1180 French King Phillip Augustus expelled Jews from France, but not before seizing all their wealth and keeping it for himself.

13. In 1205 Pope Innocent 111 srote to the archbishops of Sens and Paris that "the Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord."

14. In 1227 the Synod of Narbonne required Jews to wear an oval badge. This requirement was later reinstated by Hitler.

15. In 1229 the Spanish Inquisition starts to flush out Jews as Pope Innocent lV later authorizes the use of torture by Inquisitors.

16. In 1267 the Synod of Vienna ordered Jews to wear horned hats.

17. In 1290 Jews were expelled from England.

18. In 1298 Jews were persecuted in Austria, Bavaria, and France as about 100,000 Jews were murdered in a 6 month period.

19 .In 1394 Jews were exiled a second time from France.

20. In 1497 Jews were banished from Portugal.

21. In 1516 the Governor of Venice decided that Jews would be permitted to live in a ghetto area known as the "Ghetto Novo". This was the first Jewish ghetto in Europe.

22. In 1555 the Roman Catholic Papal bull, "Cum nimis absurdum", required Jews to wear badges, and live in ghettos. They were also not allowed to own property. Woman had to wear a yellow scarf, men had to wear a piece of yellow cloth on their hat to help identify them.

But as I read past the life of Martin Luther, a time when the Guttenberg press had given the average person the written word of God to read for themselves, these Catholic atrocities waned considerably. The state then moved in as the Catholic church waned in political power in Europe.

1. In 1648 Chmielnicki Bogdan led an uprising against the Polish rule in the Ukraine. The second goal was to kill Jews as about 100,000 Jews were slaughtered.

2. In 1905 the Okhrana, the Russian secret police, created a document called the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion", which is used to persecute Jews to this very day. This later incited violence against Jews in 1915 and 1917 in the region that cost about 300,000 Jewish lives.

Then Hitler finished if all off with the anti-Semitic climax of European oppression of the Jew.

Naturally, there is far more here than I listed and by no means a comprehensive list.

My whole interpretation of these facts is that the state is to blame, and since the Catholic church for a time took on the role of the state, they engaged in such behavior. Once the Catholic church became more of a religious institution in the 1940's than a political one, they secretly opposed the Holocaust. Notice though that I said secretly, because had they come out publicly against the Holocaust, they all would have wound up like Bonhoeffer with their precious treasures in the Vatican to be looted. They were not willing to give up their lives to make such a righteous stand nor willing to give up their treasures like the prophets and apostles and early church had willingly done before them.

And this sort of thing still goes on today in the Catholic church. They still have their little world city that engages in politics, albeit not to the same extent as it once did, thank God. The same reason that the Catholic church was afraid to speak out publicly against the Holocaust is the same reason a Left wing Pope get up their today to preach about the evils of building walls (Orange man bad don't ya know just like Hitler) instead of addressing the church identified Holocaust of abortion today. Much to their shame. They are more tuned into pleasing the Left wing world powers that seem to rule the world to help increase their own worldly influence in it than focusing on brining the kingdom of God to the world.

But am I condemning all Catholics? No, but to ignore these facts, such as the Pope ignoring the pedophile problem in the church and continuing to play politics, is why the church continues to wane in importance and influence spiritually in the world today.

IF God was willing to burn his temple in Jerusalem because of apostasy he certainly will have no qualms about doing the same to the Vatican.

I don’t believe it is possible to fully understand how the church softened the rule of monarchy and the atrocities of the Nazis. It seems too easy to throw rocks at her. That’s just human nature.

And softened the genocide of abortion, at least according to official church positions on the matter, and continues to minimize the pedophile crisis within the church, etc.

No, they have not learned much over the years, politics is still more important to them than God's work.

Have you read the John Jay report?

 

[gtopa1]

This article could just as well go in the What Are You Reading forum since it does address a lot of history, but, Jewry is a religion. The author is a jew and no doubt he'll be attacked and likely as not the article won't be read- (it's gasp, anti semite and we are all aware that is a sin of the highest order, right?) but here it is. And it brings to light the question I have yet to have satisfactorily answered; Why do US Christians defend jews with such zeal?
This article, while not dwelling on it, points out the jews have for christianity in their "doctrine" which apparently Rabbi's are very well aware of, meaning the teaching is still in existence. Also, in my reading of the novel the Malta Exchange which told briefly of the founding of catholicism, which is the birth of christianity, the expanse of the catholic religion should not be discounted to help understand the fear and hatred the jews have of christianity. Yes, I said hatred. This article, while not saying that explicitly, points out the history of jewry which can only be concluded as hatred though fueled by fear is at the heart, the very core of what drives jewry. Of course if a reader has a different take on the article I would very much enjoy seeing it.

Oddities of the Jewish Religion

About a decade ago, I happened to be talking with an eminent academic scholar who had become known for his sharp criticism of Israeli policies in the Middle East and America’s strong support for them. I mentioned that I myself had come to very similar conclusions some time before, and he asked when that had happened. I told him it had been in 1982, and I think he found my answer quite surprising. I got the sense that date was decades earlier than would have been given by almost anyone else he knew.

Jews have animosity for Christians and the Rabbi's are aware of this meaning it's still in existence? Maybe there are good reasons why some might still feel that way

Anti-Semitism of the "Church Fathers"

Just one SMALL example. Wait; there are others

Again; Just one more example.

When Pope Francis embraced an anti-Semite, and the media didn’t mind

Still object because of the adverse view some Jewish individuals have towards Christians? Too bad
Pogroms


You obviously brought up the Israeli/ Palestinian Coonflict. That's what you do when attempting to justify over 2000 years of Anti Semitic Christianity which is still present . Obviously that Conflict contradicts the Anti Semitism of the Catholic Church which is now 2020 years old. In discussing the conflict you didn't mention Israelis. You mentioned Jews which have nothing to do with the politics there.

Go back into your Christian " hole" land on your knees and take what your " father" gives to you. You learned so much from him

Huh??? Crikey; what a mash. It'll take some time to sort this out. Any anti-semitism is of the greatest evil and is the work of the devil. That does not mean that I will agree with Israel on all matters. For instance they didn't dispose of Hasafat early enough; that the wanker was allowed to die a dog's death in his dotage was just a bad show. Israel should have got rid of Fatah early on and frankly Israel should have repossessed East Jerusalem. But that is not Jewry; that is the State of Israel...........Blessed be its name FOREVER. Plus of course the enemies of Israel were Communist useful idiots so there's that as well.

Just a few thoughts; not sure if I agree with all of them either.

Greg

 

[sparky]

politics is still more important to them than God's work.

Bingo....point THAT out and we get>>>

Any anti-semitism is of the greatest evil and is the work of the devil.

~S~

 

[ding]

politics is still more important to them than God's work.

Bingo....point THAT out and we get>>>

Any anti-semitism is of the greatest evil and is the work of the devil.

~S~

It would be super awesome if a balanced view were used.

 

[Votto]

politics is still more important to them than God's work.

Bingo....point THAT out and we get>>>

Any anti-semitism is of the greatest evil and is the work of the devil.

~S~

It would be super awesome if a balanced view were used.

What then is the balanced view then?

Is abortion mass genocide?

Should the Catholic church continue to hide priests who molest children?


Should they have come out publicly against the Nazi Holocaust even though it would have cost them their lives and treasure?

Instead, we get that building walls are evil from the Pope.

Should he be so consumed with removing Trump and ignoring these other REAL problems?

Yes or no?

And is building walls evil? According to Nehemiah in the Bible building walls actually helped save the city of Jerusalem, yet not a word about it from these "theologians".

It's time to face some facts, Leftists have taken over the Vatican, just like they have infiltrated pretty much every organization in the face of the planet. Their specialty is human politics and manipulating wealth to their advantage.

 

[ding]

politics is still more important to them than God's work.

Bingo....point THAT out and we get>>>

Any anti-semitism is of the greatest evil and is the work of the devil.

~S~

It would be super awesome if a balanced view were used.

What then is the balanced view then?

Is abortion mass genocide?

Should the Catholic church continue to hide priests who molest children?


Should they have come out publicly against the Nazi Holocaust even though it would have cost them their lives and treasure?

Let’s deal with one subject at a time, fair enough. Let’s take your perception of the church continuing to hide and minimize priests who milestones children, ok?

have you read the John Jay report? Do you understand the scope, nature and timing of that event?

 

[sparky]

What then is the balanced view then?

Bet you didn't think I knew how to rock 'n' roll.
Oh, I got yahweh's stamp on my very soul.
There ain't no need to be a wailing wall flower,
'Cause now we're living on jew power.


I knew all the time but now I'm gonna let you know:
We're the chosen ones, no matter if it's fast or slow.
Ain't gonna stop until the rapture hour,
'Cause now we're living on jew power.


Bet you didn't think I knew how to bank 'n' roll.
Our man Netanyahus never on the dole
There ain't no need to be a super power,
'Cause now we're living on jew power.


Talking to you, now.
Your Armageddons gonna come for you.

~S~ w/apologies to Mr Clapton

 

[ding]

politics is still more important to them than God's work.

Bingo....point THAT out and we get>>>

Any anti-semitism is of the greatest evil and is the work of the devil.

~S~

It would be super awesome if a balanced view were used.

What then is the balanced view then?

Is abortion mass genocide?

Should the Catholic church continue to hide priests who molest children?


Should they have come out publicly against the Nazi Holocaust even though it would have cost them their lives and treasure?

Instead, we get that building walls are evil from the Pope.

Should he be so consumed with removing Trump and ignoring these other REAL problems?

Yes or no?

And is building walls evil? According to Nehemiah in the Bible building walls actually helped save the city of Jerusalem, yet not a word about it from these "theologians".

It's time to face some facts, Leftists have taken over the Vatican, just like they have infiltrated pretty much every organization in the face of the planet. Their specialty is human politics and manipulating wealth to their advantage.

You speak of leftists while employing critical theory which is a cultural Marxist practice. You probably don’t even realize you are doing it.

 

[Votto]

politics is still more important to them than God's work.

Bingo....point THAT out and we get>>>

Any anti-semitism is of the greatest evil and is the work of the devil.

~S~

It would be super awesome if a balanced view were used.

What then is the balanced view then?

Is abortion mass genocide?

Should the Catholic church continue to hide priests who molest children?


Should they have come out publicly against the Nazi Holocaust even though it would have cost them their lives and treasure?

Let’s deal with one subject at a time, fair enough. Let’s take your perception of the church continuing to hide and minimize priests who milestones children, ok?

have you read the John Jay report? Do you understand the scope, nature and timing of that event?

The only time I hear a report is when a priest has been outed who has molested children for decades after being "moved around" by the church over the years.

How has this Pope changed the status quo regarding the matter?

 

[Votto]

politics is still more important to them than God's work.

Bingo....point THAT out and we get>>>

Any anti-semitism is of the greatest evil and is the work of the devil.

~S~

It would be super awesome if a balanced view were used.

What then is the balanced view then?

Is abortion mass genocide?

Should the Catholic church continue to hide priests who molest children?


Should they have come out publicly against the Nazi Holocaust even though it would have cost them their lives and treasure?

Instead, we get that building walls are evil from the Pope.

Should he be so consumed with removing Trump and ignoring these other REAL problems?

Yes or no?

And is building walls evil? According to Nehemiah in the Bible building walls actually helped save the city of Jerusalem, yet not a word about it from these "theologians".

It's time to face some facts, Leftists have taken over the Vatican, just like they have infiltrated pretty much every organization in the face of the planet. Their specialty is human politics and manipulating wealth to their advantage.

You speak of leftists while employing critical theory which is a cultural Marxist practice. You probably don’t even realize you are doing it.

So I'm not suppose to be critical of a Pope who chastises Trump building walls while ignoring the genocide of abortion?

Well excuse me!

 

[ding]

politics is still more important to them than God's work.

Bingo....point THAT out and we get>>>

Any anti-semitism is of the greatest evil and is the work of the devil.

~S~

It would be super awesome if a balanced view were used.

What then is the balanced view then?

Is abortion mass genocide?

Should the Catholic church continue to hide priests who molest children?


Should they have come out publicly against the Nazi Holocaust even though it would have cost them their lives and treasure?

Instead, we get that building walls are evil from the Pope.

Should he be so consumed with removing Trump and ignoring these other REAL problems?

Yes or no?

And is building walls evil? According to Nehemiah in the Bible building walls actually helped save the city of Jerusalem, yet not a word about it from these "theologians".

It's time to face some facts, Leftists have taken over the Vatican, just like they have infiltrated pretty much every organization in the face of the planet. Their specialty is human politics and manipulating wealth to their advantage.

There has always been a battle within the church between the principles of free enterprise and socialism. Always. The pendulum swings back and forth. It is no different in our society either. Or any other society for that matter.

 

[Votto]

What then is the balanced view then?

Bet you didn't think I knew how to rock 'n' roll.
Oh, I got yahweh's stamp on my very soul.
There ain't no need to be a wailing wall flower,
'Cause now we're living on jew power.


I knew all the time but now I'm gonna let you know:
We're the chosen ones, no matter if it's fast or slow.
Ain't gonna stop until the rapture hour,
'Cause now we're living on jew power.


Bet you didn't think I knew how to bank 'n' roll.
Our man Netanyahus never on the dole
There ain't no need to be a super power,
'Cause now we're living on jew power.


Talking to you, now.
Your Armageddons gonna come for you.

~S~ w/apologies to Mr Clapton

You are free to scoff at the notion that the Jews are God's chosen people, but why such persecution over the years, and with such persecution, why are they still here and seemingly flourishing?

Does it not strike you odd?

 

[gtopa1]

politics is still more important to them than God's work.

Bingo....point THAT out and we get>>>

Any anti-semitism is of the greatest evil and is the work of the devil.

~S~

It would be super awesome if a balanced view were used.

What then is the balanced view then?

Is abortion mass genocide?

Should the Catholic church continue to hide priests who molest children?


Should they have come out publicly against the Nazi Holocaust even though it would have cost them their lives and treasure?

Let’s deal with one subject at a time, fair enough. Let’s take your perception of the church continuing to hide and minimize priests who milestones children, ok?

have you read the John Jay report? Do you understand the scope, nature and timing of that event?

The only time I hear a report is when a priest has been outed who has molested children for decades after being "moved around" by the church over the years.

How has this Pope changed the status quo regarding the matter?

The "only time" indicates you read garbage from garbage sites. I want the scum OUT OF OUR CHURCH as well as any who enabled them.

One little problem; BLOODY PROVING IT!!! And damn that tiny little provision in The LAW!!!

Greg

 

[ding]

politics is still more important to them than God's work.

Bingo....point THAT out and we get>>>

Any anti-semitism is of the greatest evil and is the work of the devil.

~S~

It would be super awesome if a balanced view were used.

What then is the balanced view then?

Is abortion mass genocide?

Should the Catholic church continue to hide priests who molest children?


Should they have come out publicly against the Nazi Holocaust even though it would have cost them their lives and treasure?

Let’s deal with one subject at a time, fair enough. Let’s take your perception of the church continuing to hide and minimize priests who milestones children, ok?

have you read the John Jay report? Do you understand the scope, nature and timing of that event?

The only time I hear a report is when a priest has been outed who has molested children for decades after being "moved around" by the church over the years.

How has this Pope changed the status quo regarding the matter?

I am trying to discuss facts with you. If you haven’t read the John Jay report then how do you know what the scope, nature and timing of the event was.

why don’t you tell me what you believe the scope, nature and timing of this event was so that I can understand the basis of your beliefs? Fair enough?

 

[gtopa1]

What then is the balanced view then?

Bet you didn't think I knew how to rock 'n' roll.
Oh, I got yahweh's stamp on my very soul.
There ain't no need to be a wailing wall flower,
'Cause now we're living on jew power.


I knew all the time but now I'm gonna let you know:
We're the chosen ones, no matter if it's fast or slow.
Ain't gonna stop until the rapture hour,
'Cause now we're living on jew power.


Bet you didn't think I knew how to bank 'n' roll.
Our man Netanyahus never on the dole
There ain't no need to be a super power,
'Cause now we're living on jew power.


Talking to you, now.
Your Armageddons gonna come for you.

~S~ w/apologies to Mr Clapton

You are free to scoff at the notion that the Jews are God's chosen people, but why such persecution over the years, and with such persecution, why are they still here and seemingly flourishing?

Does it not strike you odd?

Not odd at all; they are GOD'S CHOSEN ONES; stubborn beggars. But hey; that's GOD'S business; I don't interfere with it.

Greg

 

[ding]

Bingo....point THAT out and we get>>>

~S~

It would be super awesome if a balanced view were used.

What then is the balanced view then?

Is abortion mass genocide?

Should the Catholic church continue to hide priests who molest children?


Should they have come out publicly against the Nazi Holocaust even though it would have cost them their lives and treasure?

Let’s deal with one subject at a time, fair enough. Let’s take your perception of the church continuing to hide and minimize priests who milestones children, ok?

have you read the John Jay report? Do you understand the scope, nature and timing of that event?

The only time I hear a report is when a priest has been outed who has molested children for decades after being "moved around" by the church over the years.

How has this Pope changed the status quo regarding the matter?

The "only time" indicates you read garbage from garbage sites. I want the scum OUT OF OUR CHURCH as well as any who enabled them.

One little problem; BLOODY PROVING IT!!! And damn that tiny little provision in The LAW!!!

Greg

I don’t believe he understands the scope, nature or timing of the problem. He literally has no factual basis for his beliefs.

I am trying to show him what the problem was but I fear he has no desire to learn anything about it.

 

[Votto]

politics is still more important to them than God's work.

Bingo....point THAT out and we get>>>

Any anti-semitism is of the greatest evil and is the work of the devil.

~S~

It would be super awesome if a balanced view were used.

What then is the balanced view then?

Is abortion mass genocide?

Should the Catholic church continue to hide priests who molest children?


Should they have come out publicly against the Nazi Holocaust even though it would have cost them their lives and treasure?

Instead, we get that building walls are evil from the Pope.

Should he be so consumed with removing Trump and ignoring these other REAL problems?

Yes or no?

And is building walls evil? According to Nehemiah in the Bible building walls actually helped save the city of Jerusalem, yet not a word about it from these "theologians".

It's time to face some facts, Leftists have taken over the Vatican, just like they have infiltrated pretty much every organization in the face of the planet. Their specialty is human politics and manipulating wealth to their advantage.

There has always been a battle within the church between the principles of free enterprise and socialism. Always. The pendulum swings back and forth. It is no different in our society either. Or any other society for that matter.

You are by no means the only Christian denomination who has been taken over by Leftism. Barak Obama came from Black Liberation theology which preaches collective salvation through the state. All of a sudden there no longer needs to be a separation of church and state with such positions. Amazing, isn't it.

And I was reading in Christianity Today, a magazine started by Billy Graham about how cool it was that this Christian couple had other Christian couples living with them and decided to start hooking up and sharing their "love" with each other.

Sick.

 

[sparky]

GOD'S CHOSEN ONES

~S~