Zone1 Jew Hatred - I don't get it.

[BreezeWood]

give it up, wind brain

ace must think their response was in approval.

and they claim he was a jew - did 91 forget to put their star on Jesus's cross.

 

[BreezeWood]

God said Jews are His Chosen People.

I don't have the horsepower to second-guess God. Anyone who says he does will be turned away at the Gates.

too bad for you ...

as phony as jesus claiming resurrection knowing perfectly well the finality of death ...

“Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani”

and wishing to have had more time to live,

 

[Votto]

All of what you have written is ostensibly true.

But it is ALSO true, what I have written.


The government/emperor of Rome decided what would be biblical canon, and what would be heresy.

This is the same as if the Department of Homeland Security attempted to rewrite the Bible, the Quran and Torah to make them sync up for global ruling ease.

Thankfully such a bone-headed idea is unconstitutional. But you can bet, if there were no prohibition on it, the Luciferians that run the government would do such a thing.

. . It worked for Rome, right?


Most Christians are in denial of this though.

First Council of Nicaea​

Christianity [325]
First Council of Nicaea | Description, History, Significance, & Facts | Britannica

". . . It was called by the emperor Constantine I, an unbaptized catechumen, who presided over the opening session and took part in the discussions. He hoped a general council of the church would solve the problem created in the Eastern church by Arianism, a heresy first proposed by Arius of Alexandria that affirmed that Christ is not divine but a created being. . . "

<snip>

"The emperor then exiled Arius, an act that, while manifesting a solidarity of church and state, underscored the importance of secular patronage in ecclesiastical affairs. . . "

I do not take any issue with the books in the Canonized Bible, although I do have questions about some books that were left out. Clearly, the books were not rewritten or tampered with, they were simply collected and put together.

Enoch, however, fascinates me because it was written before Christ even came into the world as parts of it were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls proving its age, and was heavily used by the early church. So, what was it not included?

My guess is that Constantine and company took a dim view of Enoch because he took such a harsh stance regarding the wickedness of world kings and other leaders as they were seen mostly as oppressive.

Enoch 38 talks about the coming judgement

1. When the congregations of the righteous shall appear, sinners will be judged for their sins. They shall be driven from the face of the earth,
2 and when the Righteous One shall appear before the face of the righteous, those elect ones, their deeds are hung upon the Lord of the Spirits, he shall reveal light to the righteous and the elect who dwell upon the earth, where will the dwelling of the sinners be, and where is the resting place of those who denied the name of the Lord of Spirits? It would have been better for them not to have been born.
3 When the secrets of the Righteous One are revealed, he will judge the sinners; and the wicked ones will be driven from the presence of the righteous and the elect,
4 and from that time, those who possess the earth will neither be rulers nor princes, they shall not be able to behold the faces of the holy ones, for the light of the Lord of the Spirits has shined upon the face of the holy, the righteous, and the elect.
5 At that moment, kings and rules shall perish, they shall be delivered into the hands of the righteous and holy ones,
6 and from henceforth no one shall be able to induce the Lord of the Spirits to show them mercy, for their life is annihilated.

And just look at how Enoch, the book written before Christianity started, talks about the coming Messiah

Enoch 48

1 Furthermore, in that place I saw the fountain of righteousness, which does not become depleted and is surrounded completely by numerous fountains of wisdom. All the thirsty ones drink of the water and become filled with wisdom. Then their dwelling places become with the holy, righteous, and the elect ones. At that hour, that Son of Man was given a name, in the presence of the Lord of the Spirits, the Before-Time; even before the creation of the sun and the moon, before the creation of the stars, he was given a name in the presence of the Lord of the Spirits. He will become a staff for the righteous ones in order that they may lean on him and not fall. He is the light of the gentiles, and he will become the hope of those who are sick in their hearts. All those who dwell on the earth shall fall and worship before him; they shall glorify, bless, and sing in the name of the Lord of the Spirits. For this purpose, he became the Chosen One; he was concealed in the presence of the Lord of Spirits prior to the creation of the world, and for eternity. And he has revealed the wisdom of the Lord of the Spirits to the righteous and the holy ones..............In those days, the kings of the earth and the mighty landowners will be humiliated on account of the deeds of their hands. Therefore, on the day of their misery and weariness, they will not be able to save themselves. I shall deliver them into the hands of my elect ones like grass in the fire and like lead in the water, so they shall burn before the face of the holy ones and sink before their sight, and no place will be found for them. They shall fall on their faces and not rise again, for they have denied the Lord of the Spirits and his Messiah.

No wonder king Constantine left this out of the holy cannon as he did not want put with the other wicked world leaders. But was he any different than the world leaders spoken of by Enoch? After all, he had his own wife and son murdered. That does not sound very Christ like to me. And looking at the world leaders of today, it is no different, as they are arguably worse.

 

[Meriweather]

Enoch, however, fascinates me because it was written before Christ even came into the world as parts of it were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls proving its age, and was heavily used by the early church. So, what was it not included?

My guess is that Constantine and company took a dim view of Enoch because he took such a harsh stance regarding the wickedness of world kings and other leaders as they were seen mostly as oppressive.

First, Constantine had nothing to do with selecting Canon. Second, it was the Jews who rejected the books of Enoch (probably written over time by five different people) because it didn't match what is accepted in the Torah.

 

[daveman]

too bad for you ...

as phony as jesus claiming resurrection knowing perfectly well the finality of death ...

“Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani”

and wishing to have had more time to live,

You're allowed to be wrong.

 

[MisterBeale]

Constantine had nothing to do with selecting Canon.

This is incorrect.

Constantine choose the bishops that would sit on the Council that determined Canon.

 

[Meriweather]

This is incorrect.

Constantine choose the bishops that would sit on the Council that determined Canon.

Check primary sources...

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

 

[ding]

Lots of similarities between Christianity and Judaism since Jesus was an observant Jew. Much of what he taught were traditional Jews values.

He especially admired Hillel.

Absolutely but there are similarities with other religions as well. They all teach humility and sacrifice. They all teach to be thankful. They all teach to be selfless. The list goes on and on.

 

[ding]

YES---a very big issue in Islam. SLM is a "root" in arabic as well as
hebrew-----sometimes rendered as "Peace" It sorta means making
all things OK a FULFILLMENT of all given situations

Peace through surrender. We are effectively rebels against God.

 

[ding]

I agree.

However Lisa believes she knows what is in the Christian texts, or the intent of the Christ more than those who were raised in the faith. It is the height of absurdity frankly. She hates Jesus, who the hell is she to opine on what he meant?
To top it off, she's then insulted when she is proven wrong.



I have no desire to tell a Jew or a Muslim that they have interpreted their religious texts wrong, why on Earth would a Jewish woman be so presumptuous to do the same, and then turn around and say she doesn't want to see the scripture that proves her wrong?


This is the same type of ass-backward gaslighting the establishment oligarchs do to the masses on the regular.

When it comes to discussing faiths not our own or discussing faiths that are our own with people not of that faith. I think it's better to look for common ground rather than differences. Unfortunately, that's not the norm in this forum.

 

[ding]

I did a study on comparative religions.

One l found interesting was the Unitarians. They believe in Jesus, but not the Trinity- three in one, however that works out.

Ever hear of the Four Agreements of Toltecs?

 

[ding]

Many of our Founding Fathers were deists but not Christians. Jefferson, for example, did not believe that Jesus was resurrected.

To a man - deists included - the founding fathers believed that natural rights come from God. They believed in a moralistic, providential creator of existence that is the source of all natural rights. Furthermore, they believed these rights were granted for no other reason than we are God's creatures. They believed we have a duty to the Creator and that if we fail to meet our duty our rights can be taken away.

 

[Ace Nova]

“Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani”

Why do you quote the current Gospel of Matthew if you proclaim the same Gospel to be nothing more than a "forgery - created by 4th century crucifiers?"

 

[irosie91]

Peace through surrender. We are effectively rebels against God.

says who?

 

[irosie91]

You are arrogant and ignorant. You think quoting the New Testament to a Jew “proves” anything? Jews don’t believe in what the NT says.

are you calling constantine a "LIAR"?

 

[irosie91]

Disagree

The verse is about God's people, some of which are Jews. Those are the targets of the devil.

God will never give up on the descendants of Abrham, no matter how wayward they become, and the devil will never forgive the Jewish race for producing their Messiah.

As for the persecution of Christians, the Armenian genocide was almost as bad as the Jewish genocide.

yes----just less people----it was done OCTOBER 7 style---to wit,
the islamic way. The germans go for technology

 

[irosie91]

and they claim he was a jew - did 91 forget to put their star on Jesus's cross.

Pilate did not forget---he put a sign up ----in Latin ----the language
of da mutha church. pontius, putin and, of course---ROFLMAO----
KARIM KHAN

 

[irosie91]

For modern day Catholics and Protestants? Yes.

In the long scope of history, that is not all there was to Christianity.

Constantine's political leaders were the ones that would determine which traditions & beliefs would compose the Nicene Creed.

so true----"christianity" is a misnomer. The word should be
replaced with "CONSTANTISM"

 

[BreezeWood]

First, Constantine had nothing to do with selecting Canon. Second, it was the Jews who rejected the books of Enoch (probably written over time by five different people) because it didn't match what is accepted in the Torah.

that's their claim who wrote the christian bible, the crucifiers ...

meriweather does know best those in the 4th century that madeup christianity - as originally in persuasion of the shattered prevailing religion opposed by jesus in retrospect and their implied acquiescence to the brutality of their crime for their benefit than the truth they were willing to die for the heavenly goal through self determination the triumph over evil for admission to the everlasting - the very scene of the last act of the 1st century.

- than the desert equivocation of servitude and denial.