Zone1 Jew Hatred - I don't get it.

[ShahdagMountains]

Many of our Founding Fathers were deists but not Christians. Jefferson, for example, did not believe that Jesus was resurrected.

Isn’t the Resurrection the whole foundation Christianity rests on?

 

[Votto]

Actually Revelation 12 is about the new covenant church of Jesus Christ, of which Jews had no part, still don't with exception of a few messianic Jews.

Disagree

The verse is about God's people, some of which are Jews. Those are the targets of the devil.

God will never give up on the descendants of Abrham, no matter how wayward they become, and the devil will never forgive the Jewish race for producing their Messiah.

As for the persecution of Christians, the Armenian genocide was almost as bad as the Jewish genocide.

 

[Lisa558]

Isn’t the Resurrection the whole foundation Christianity rests on?

Yes, that’s why I say Jefferson wasn’t a Christian.

 

[Votto]

Yes, that’s why I say Jefferson wasn’t a Christian.

Jefferson essentially rewrote his own Bible.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Yes, that’s why I say Jefferson wasn’t a Christian.

There was a movie about it - an interesting concept, questioning the Resurrection.

The Body (2001) - Plot - IMDb

The Body (2001) - Plot summary, synopsis, and more...

www.imdb.com

 

[MisterBeale]

But the problem comes about when Christians quote New Testament verses to Jews they KNOW run contrary to Judaism

I took a course on Jesus in college. Read all four gospels.

I'm not a Christian, I am a scholar.

If I quote the NT regarding the beliefs of Jesus? You should consider it no different than that course you took. . . . if you are indeed telling the truth, which I am highly suspect of by your outlandish reaction to being quoted verse that proved you wrong.

Jews don’t believe in what the NT says.

So if you don't believe what the NT says about the beliefs of Jesus, where do you come up with this insane shit like this;

Nah….no real proof that he said that

If it comes to that? There is no real proof of anything in the OT either, other than the Code of Hammurabi.

. . . . And most folks of faith, when you make any attempt to tell them that?

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[MisterBeale]

Isn’t the Resurrection the whole foundation Christianity rests on?

For modern day Catholics and Protestants? Yes.

In the long scope of history, that is not all there was to Christianity.

Constantine's political leaders were the ones that would determine which traditions & beliefs would compose the Nicene Creed.

 

[daveman]

- have you any other fairy tails for your phony religion - which one are you, are there any three in one - you seem to be one, at least the first two.

Now matter how much you pout, and how hard you stamp your feet, I'm not giving up my faith.

You have converted no one. You never will.

 

[daveman]

Well, I notice your decency in that reply but I was being facetious. There is no "we" who are all contemptible creatures. Some are good, some are evil, some are angels, some are demons, and every creature in-between, swine, cattle, vultures, worms, sheep, goats, etc., are just human archetypes, metaphors for people that represent the heights and depths of human potential.

This alone clears up many mysteries about the hidden subject of kosher law and ritual sacrifice.


That may be true for whoever "us" is but the righteous earn a place in the world to come. And anyone worthy of rising from the dead is worthy of the kingdom of Heaven. Worthy of eternal life. If you feel like a contemptible creature, a hopeless sinner worthy of damnation I suggest that you just strive to become a better person. Or at least reevaluate, learn, what the true subject of sin is.

If you knew that Jesus was teaching that the Law was not to be taken literally, and is not about diet, fashion, or the sexual preferences of consenting adults, you would not be feeling like shit.

And you wouldn't need to be forgiven.




Sure, but what you believe about Jesus really MATTERS, it can be either a blessing or a curse.

If you believe Jesus was a man sent by God to reveal the hidden subjects of the Law, a blessing, IF YOU DO IT. If you believe Jesus was a trinity that became a man to die for your sins, a curse.

Jesus taught and demonstrated the only right way to understand and comply with the Laws demands that fulfills the promise of life for everyone who listens to his Words, (eats his flesh) and acts on it (drinks his blood). Life is in the blood, in the doing. So just do it and you will be worthy of the kingdom of Heaven, even if you seem like a contemptible creature to dingbots who pretend to believe that God became a Jewish man who was crucified as a perfect human sacrifice so that believers who celebrate his death and eat him can sin with impunity for life. derp

Smarten up. This is earth, teeming with predators always on the hunt for easy prey to devour.

If someone tries to get you to confess that you are worthless piece of shit who has to accept that Jesus is God, a trinity who became a man to die for your sins, say "fuck you" and run as if your life depended on it. It does, and you will live to tell your children's children about your near death experience with a direct descendant of that ever elusive deadly poisonous talking serpent of old.

The Nachash.

The Hebrew word נָחָשׁ (Nāḥāš) is used in the Hebrew Bible to identify the serpent that appears in Genesis 3:1, in the Garden of Eden. In the first book of the Torah, the serpent is portrayed as a deceptive creature or trickster, who promotes as good what God had forbidden and shows particular cunning in its deception.

I disagree with pretty much all of this.

 

[daveman]

Case in point; Ding tries to promote as good, the way to eternal life, what God has forbidden, idolatry, under penalty of death.. Can you see how bad this joker has screwed himself? Gen 3:14

daveman, If he wan't such a transparent sanctimonious asshole I would feel sorry for him... If.

Screw faith in what you can't see. Do you have the faith to see what is right in front of your nose?

The Nachash.

The Hebrew word נָחָשׁ (Nāḥāš) is used in the Hebrew Bible to identify the serpent that appears in Genesis 3:1, in the Garden of Eden. In the first book of the Torah, the serpent is portrayed as a deceptive creature or trickster, who promotes as good what God had forbidden "

I don't want your sympathy, and your contempt is meaningless.

 

[daveman]

Some people may interpret it that way but I don't. So, no. I'm not lying. And more importantly, you can't find a post of mine that supports your false allegation. You have no evidence.

He's taking it on faith in things he cannot see.

 

[daveman]

Believe me, I know all too well what his religion officially teaches, as I’ve had evangelicals harass me no end and even several of them on this forum keep INSISTING I’m doomed, that we are horrible anti-Christ people, quoting NT verses ad infinitum as if that’s somehow going to convince me, etc., etc.

But there are many good things I’ve learned from my parents, and among the most important is to judge each person as an individual. Ding has said that Jews do indeed have a path to Gd without having to believe in Jesus, and I’m always happy when I run across Christians like that. I take him at his word.

God said Jews are His Chosen People.

I don't have the horsepower to second-guess God. Anyone who says he does will be turned away at the Gates.

 

[daveman]

Why not ask him what that path is... He is a liar.




IMHO not a good idea. If he lies about something as important as the way to eternal life, why would you believe anything he says at all especially what is by far less important?

Do you think he is only a part time liar or a full time golem of the church.

Odd. From his perspective...and mine...it's you that's lying.

Oh, wait! Are you the One True Believer? What's that pay, anyway? And won't you get lonely, being the only guy in Heaven?

 

[daveman]

Its been my experience is that ding is obnoxious, disrespectful, homophobic, pretentious, antisemitic phony believer in the antichrist. Every time he says that I am making "Jews" look bad by pointing out just how reprehensible it is to 'believe' that an innocent froward Jewish man was sacrificed so that he can sin with impunity for life, TRUTH, or that I am an angry gay "Jew" trying to destroy christianity, lol, the antisemitism lurking within exposes itself just like that, willy nilly

Sure, Merriweather is nice but not nice enough to admit that she is an idolator or that her church lies with its sales pitch "The Good News" that God became a man to worship and eat derp which matches perfectly the definition of the Nachash promoting as good what God has forbidden

See what is there.

Oh, I see the problem. You're being a jerk, and when you get called on it, you claim it's antisemitism.

Such is not the case. The truth is you're a jerk, you hate Christians, and you demand double standards in that you can say what you want, but nobody better ever criticize you.

 

[MisterBeale]

Yes, that’s why I say Jefferson wasn’t a Christian.

You are wrong on what you say, like most times.

"I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human2"​

From Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 21 April 1803​

Founders Online: From Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 21 April 1803

From Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 21 April 1803

founders.archives.gov

 

[daveman]

Then what would you call setting aside the 1st command and turning to a lifeless piece of bread MADE BY HUMAN HANDS to worship and eat for spiritual life, and teaching others to do the same, even though it cannot see, hear, speak, or walk, is not the flesh of Jesus, not The Body of Christ, not Words from God, not the food of angels, has no spiritual life to give, and is not God?

Lets pretend? Ritualistic trickery? Child abuse? Suicide? Satanism? Devil worship? Murder?

Nobody worships the Host. They worship the Being it represents.

There. Now your wrong ideas have been corrected.

This thread's over.

 

[daveman]

No, its much easier than that!

Just stop being an asshole.

Practice what you preach.

 

[Votto]

For modern day Catholics and Protestants? Yes.

In the long scope of history, that is not all there was to Christianity.

Constantine's political leaders were the ones that would determine which traditions & beliefs would compose the Nicene Creed.

Constantine was not even a Christian as he continued to worship the pagan Roman gods, although it is rumored he converted on his death bed.

He created a theocracy based upon a world kingdom that ran counter to the teachings of Jesus that essentially elevated his own worldly power. Then entered the Jewish persecutions and Inquisitions and Crusades, all for world wealth and glory.

To this day, the Left wing Pope is more concerned about the evils of building walls than he is the infanticide of the unborn, much like the church kept silent during the Holocaust.

 

[MisterBeale]

Constantine was not even a Christian as he continued to worship the pagan Roman gods, although it is rumored he converted on his death bed.

He created a theocracy based upon a world kingdom that ran counter to the teachings of Jesus that essentially elevated his own worldly power. Then entered the Jewish persecutions and Inquisitions and Crusades, all for world wealth and glory.

To this day, the Left wing Pope is more concerned about the evils of building walls than he is the infanticide of the unborn, much like the church kept silent during the Holocaust.

All of what you have written is ostensibly true.

But it is ALSO true, what I have written.


The government/emperor of Rome decided what would be biblical canon, and what would be heresy.

This is the same as if the Department of Homeland Security attempted to rewrite the Bible, the Quran and Torah to make them sync up for global ruling ease.

Thankfully such a bone-headed idea is unconstitutional. But you can bet, if there were no prohibition on it, the Luciferians that run the government would do such a thing.

. . It worked for Rome, right?


Most Christians are in denial of this though.

First Council of Nicaea​

Christianity [325]
First Council of Nicaea | Description, History, Significance, & Facts | Britannica

". . . It was called by the emperor Constantine I, an unbaptized catechumen, who presided over the opening session and took part in the discussions. He hoped a general council of the church would solve the problem created in the Eastern church by Arianism, a heresy first proposed by Arius of Alexandria that affirmed that Christ is not divine but a created being. . . "

<snip>

"The emperor then exiled Arius, an act that, while manifesting a solidarity of church and state, underscored the importance of secular patronage in ecclesiastical affairs. . . "

 

[BreezeWood]

Lots of similarities between Christianity and Judaism since Jesus was an observant Jew. Much of what he taught were traditional Jews values.

He especially admired Hillel.

not a word of truth, jesus was never a jew they were heavenly ... hillel was abrahamic, hereditary idolatry they were the jew.