Zone1 Jesus was created

[kjw47]

Collosians 1:15--The FIRSTBORN of all creation-Fact= all creation occurred at the beginning. Jesus the one whom God created all other things through is the one speaking at proverbs 8= Gods master worker. He tells all he was created there.
Psalm 45:7--Teaches Jesus has a God, and was anointed with oil above his partners( angels)
Hebrews 1:3-4-- Clearly shows Jesus would be equal to the angels except for the name he inherited from God above their names.
Over and over in the NT it teaches the Father is Jesus' God--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Collosians 1:3, Ephesians 1:13,17--2Cor 1:31Cor 15:24-28

The trinity god was created at a council of catholicism, it does not exist--all serving it are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily and to not enter his kingdom. All done by satans will centuries ago. LOOK.

 

[JGalt]

Collosians 1:15--The FIRSTBORN of all creation-Fact= all creation occurred at the beginning. Jesus the one whom God created all other things through is the one speaking at proverbs 8= Gods master worker. He tells all he was created there.
Psalm 45:7--Teaches Jesus has a God, and was anointed with oil above his partners( angels)
Hebrews 1:3-4-- Clearly shows Jesus would be equal to the angels except for the name he inherited from God above their names.
Over and over in the NT it teaches the Father is Jesus' God--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Collosians 1:3, Ephesians 1:13,17--2Cor 1:31Cor 15:24-28

The trinity god was created at a council of catholicism, it does not exist--all serving it are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily and to not enter his kingdom. All done by satans will centuries ago. LOOK.

Jesus is God in human form, and even appeared in the Old Testament a few times.

The angels on the other hand, are just God's utilitarian "messengers." They can fall from grace, as did the one-third of them who followed Lucifer in the war against Heaven. For them, there will never be forgiveness.

 

[kjw47]

Jesus is God in human form, and even appeared in the Old Testament a few times.

The angels on the other hand, are just God's utilitarian "messengers." They can fall from grace, as did the one-third of them who followed Lucifer in the war against Heaven. For them, there will never be forgiveness.

The psalmist knew God didnt come as the Messiah, he taught the Messiah has a God-Psalm 45:7--Jesus teaches he has a God-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- I have studied facts for years. Jesus is not God. The Abrahamic God served by Israel religion to this day is a single being God. 0 doubt in all creation.
And at the end of Rev 20 when all things are as God willed to start-Perfect, perfect humankind, earth transformed into an Eden( paradise)--Jesus hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and subjects himself( 1Cor 15:24-28) forever.
Trinity translations teach 2 different truths, 2 different Gods. Altered by satans will through catholicism translating to fit false council teachings.

 

[kjw47]

Collosians 1:15--The FIRSTBORN of all creation-Fact= all creation occurred at the beginning. Jesus the one whom God created all other things through is the one speaking at proverbs 8= Gods master worker. He tells all he was created there.
Psalm 45:7--Teaches Jesus has a God, and was anointed with oil above his partners( angels)
Hebrews 1:3-4-- Clearly shows Jesus would be equal to the angels except for the name he inherited from God above their names.
Over and over in the NT it teaches the Father is Jesus' God--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Collosians 1:3, Ephesians 1:13,17--2Cor 1:31Cor 15:24-28

The trinity god was created at a council of catholicism, it does not exist--all serving it are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily and to not enter his kingdom. All done by satans will centuries ago. LOOK.

MAN ON THE STREET--Why do you think Facts are funny?

 

[Cougarbear]

Collosians 1:15--The FIRSTBORN of all creation-Fact= all creation occurred at the beginning. Jesus the one whom God created all other things through is the one speaking at proverbs 8= Gods master worker. He tells all he was created there.
Psalm 45:7--Teaches Jesus has a God, and was anointed with oil above his partners( angels)
Hebrews 1:3-4-- Clearly shows Jesus would be equal to the angels except for the name he inherited from God above their names.
Over and over in the NT it teaches the Father is Jesus' God--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Collosians 1:3, Ephesians 1:13,17--2Cor 1:31Cor 15:24-28

The trinity god was created at a council of catholicism, it does not exist--all serving it are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily and to not enter his kingdom. All done by satans will centuries ago. LOOK.

You say the NT teaches Father is Jesus God. Yet, you then say Jesus is not God but was created by God. Which is it? When one lies a little bit, it soon grows into a big lie which JW's are con-artists big time. The Father, Elohim and his wife gave Jehovah His spirit body to place his intelligence in. The Holy Ghost also received a spirit body as well. So did the rest of us as well.

 

[Clyde 154]

Jesus was with God in the Beginning, Jesus Created All Things, Jesus is God. The firstborn is speaking of the first born (Son of Man) Jesus as a human being........the 1st to overcome hades and death. Jesus is God in essence because His Father is God. Jesus was never created......with exception of His physical birth, His essence preexisted Time itself. John Chapter 1. Man will never be Gods, there is only 1 God, there are no others. When you speak of God as being 1..........the scriptures are speaking of the Godhead (the Father the Son, and the Holy Ghost). All the above is backed by Book, Chapter and Verse (and its not from the man made book of Mormon or the Bible used by the RCC or the JWs or the Koran written centuries after ALL HAS BEEN REVEALED

 

[there4eyeM]

It could be understood that Jesus was necessitated.

 

[Clyde 154]

It could be understood that Jesus was necessitated.

Its clear...........God had a plan that was necessitated. That plan pre-existed creation and it was implemented through Christ Jesus, who was with God and who was God in the beginning. (John 1). As the aposlte stated that plan existed before the "foundation" of the world (1 Peter 1:20), the apostle Paul declared the same, "before time began" (2 Tim. 1:9). The word of God...i.e, the holy scriptures also tell us that this plan was "hidden" from mankind for a while (Eph. 3:5,6) until God decided the time was right, even from the prophets who revealed it before the birth of Christ Jesus (1 Peter 1:10-12)

We are told within the word of God that the plan was revealed to the apostles of Christ and to the prophets by the Holy Ghost/Spirit (Eph. 3:5, 1 Peter 1:12) We are also told that when we read about this plan that we can understand it (Eph. 3:4)......we are also "commanded" to understand the will of God (Eph. 5:17). And we are told that God desires ALL MEN to come to the knowledge of this truth (to comprehend what had formerly been a mystery) -- 1 Tim. 2:3,4.

This........then becomes clear with no ambiguity whatsoever. If God desires we come to the knowledge of the truth..........it is possible. Since He commands that we understand His will as revealed........it is possible. And.....since God said we could understand, its more than possible, if we Study in order not to be ashamed unto God.............we are more than capable of RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH. And not allow ourself to come to destruction because of ignorance.

Peter explains how some attempt to twist the scriptures to their own destruction in not wanting to accept the wisdom of Paul (the most learned man of the Old Law of Moses that Jesus personally converted to Christianity as an Apostle to the Gentiles, to help with understanding the actual history of the Jewish nation). "..................as also in some of his (Paul's) letters, speaking in them things which there are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do to the other scriptures, TO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION." -- 2 Peter 3:16

 

[kjw47]

You say the NT teaches Father is Jesus God. Yet, you then say Jesus is not God but was created by God. Which is it? When one lies a little bit, it soon grows into a big lie which JW's are con-artists big time. The Father, Elohim and his wife gave Jehovah His spirit body to place his intelligence in. The Holy Ghost also received a spirit body as well. So did the rest of us as well.

You should read the bible. It is clear in the OT--I am YHWH(Jehovah) beside me( singular) there is no other God. So your post is the error filled post. Psalm 83:18--That they may know, that you whose name is YHWH(Jehovah) you alone( singular) are the most high over the earth.
Elohim is NOT a name--you are being lied to.

 

[Cougarbear]

You should read the bible. It is clear in the OT--I am YHWH(Jehovah) beside me( singular) there is no other God. So your post is the error filled post. Psalm 83:18--That they may know, that you whose name is YHWH(Jehovah) you alone( singular) are the most high over the earth.
Elohim is NOT a name--you are being lied to.

Titles are often used as names. Jesus the Christ. His name is Jesus and his title is Christ. So, Elohim is also His name as well because we usually name the Lord, Jesus Christ. Psalms 82:6 and John 10:34 prove you wrong again and again and again. You should read the Bible with the Spirit. That would help.

 

[kjw47]

Titles are often used as names. Jesus the Christ. His name is Jesus and his title is Christ. So, Elohim is also His name as well because we usually name the Lord, Jesus Christ. Psalms 82:6 and John 10:34 prove you wrong again and again and again. You should read the Bible with the Spirit. That would help.

You havent proven me wrong-Every Hebrew scholar on earth will tell you-Elohim is a Hebrew word with various meanings, not a name. Most trinity scholars will tell you the same.

 

[kjw47]

Titles are often used as names. Jesus the Christ. His name is Jesus and his title is Christ. So, Elohim is also His name as well because we usually name the Lord, Jesus Christ. Psalms 82:6 and John 10:34 prove you wrong again and again and again. You should read the Bible with the Spirit. That would help.

I just put-Elohim= name or word in bing search--Results--a word, carries the meaning gods, but in the Hebrew OT used as singular for the true God.))))))) Its only plural for false gods. So since it is used for false gods as well as the true God, 100% for sure a word not Gods name.

 

[Cougarbear]

You havent proven me wrong-Every Hebrew scholar on earth will tell you-Elohim is a Hebrew word with various meanings, not a name. Most trinity scholars will tell you the same.

In Genesis 1, the Hebrew word for God is “Elohim”, which is the general term for god or gods and is also, rather interestingly, a plural word. In Genesis 1 Elohim is referred to as “him” (male singular) but speaks in plural (“Let us make man in our image”). However, in Genesis 2, the four-lettered name of God, YHWH, first appears, and God is mostly referred to by this unique name from there on in. - The Name of God - ONE FOR ISRAEL Ministry

Definition of god - Definition of GOD​

(Entry 1 of 2)
1God : the supreme or ultimate reality: such as
a: the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped (as in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism) as creator and ruler of the universe

Elohim is the Hebrew word for God that appears in the very first sentence of the Bible. We remember that he is the one who began it all. This ancient name for God contains the idea of God's creative power as well as his authority and sovereignty. - What Is Elohim? Biblical Meaning of God's Name

Hebrew Names of God: Elohim is the plural of El and is the first name for God given in the Tanakh. In the beginning, God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1 - The Hebrew Name for God - Elohim

I rest my case...

 

[Cougarbear]

I just put-Elohim= name or word in bing search--Results--a word, carries the meaning gods, but in the Hebrew OT used as singular for the true God.))))))) Its only plural for false gods. So since it is used for false gods as well as the true God, 100% for sure a word not Gods name.

I have read up on this as well. But, it's the opinion of the writers that Elohim is referring to false gods when speaking of plurality. There is no real proof of this other than Jews and most Christians stumbling all over themselves trying to quiet the stance of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But, but, but, but.....

 

[ding]

Collosians 1:15--The FIRSTBORN of all creation-Fact= all creation occurred at the beginning. Jesus the one whom God created all other things through is the one speaking at proverbs 8= Gods master worker. He tells all he was created there.
Psalm 45:7--Teaches Jesus has a God, and was anointed with oil above his partners( angels)
Hebrews 1:3-4-- Clearly shows Jesus would be equal to the angels except for the name he inherited from God above their names.
Over and over in the NT it teaches the Father is Jesus' God--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Collosians 1:3, Ephesians 1:13,17--2Cor 1:31Cor 15:24-28

The trinity god was created at a council of catholicism, it does not exist--all serving it are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily and to not enter his kingdom. All done by satans will centuries ago. LOOK.

That's nice.

 

[ding]

The Devil has been quite productive.

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[kjw47]

I have read up on this as well. But, it's the opinion of the writers that Elohim is referring to false gods when speaking of plurality. There is no real proof of this other than Jews and most Christians stumbling all over themselves trying to quiet the stance of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But, but, but, but.....

You will find out. It is not Gods name, its you being mislead. God only accepts worship in spirit and truth-John 4:22-24--One must ask--Why did Jesus name only the Father there and not Father, son, and HS. Same at 1 Cor 8: 5-6 where Paul tells all who God is-just the Father-Why? Both spots warn of all other Gods being false to start.
No heart with the love Jesus spoke of, laughs at another if they are in error and will miss out on entrance to Gods kingdom.

 

[Cougarbear]

You will find out. It is not Gods name, its you being mislead. God only accepts worship in spirit and truth-John 4:22-24--One must ask--Why did Jesus name only the Father there and not Father, son, and HS. Same at 1 Cor 8: 5-6 where Paul tells all who God is-just the Father-Why? Both spots warn of all other Gods being false to start.
No heart with the love Jesus spoke of, laughs at another if they are in error and will miss out on entrance to Gods kingdom.

I just showed you Hebrew and Jewish scholars that don't agree with you. When you say "calling God by Elohim" that is then his name you are giving him. Yes, by definition, there is a "position" given to the Father, Elohim. Duh! Therefore, the Father's name is not Jehovah. The one who spoke with Abraham, Moses and Joseph Smith is Jehovah (Jesus). The Son of God (Elohim) You will be sad to find out you have been conned.

 

[kjw47]

I just showed you Hebrew and Jewish scholars that don't agree with you. When you say "calling God by Elohim" that is then his name you are giving him. Yes, by definition, there is a "position" given to the Father, Elohim. Duh! Therefore, the Father's name is not Jehovah. The one who spoke with Abraham, Moses and Joseph Smith is Jehovah (Jesus). The Son of God (Elohim) You will be sad to find out you have been conned.

The bible is clear--I am YHWH(Jehovah) beside ME(singular) there is no other God. Isaiah 44:6
God can be called the title elohim, but never in a plural sense as gods in the Hebrew ot. False gods are called elohim as well , there were false trinity gods in the ot days called elohim-gods--proving its not Gods name. he would never share his name with false gods. You are being mislead.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

All of the gods were invented by humans.
To date, none have been found to be real.