Zone1 Jesus Christ: The MYTH

[my2¢]

It grieves me to say that you missed everything of importance. It is gibberish to talk of "whose facts" are this or are the other. The video premise is all about a complete lack of facts. That is where your focus should be.

That is where my focus has been from the start when I stated, There's no proof we're not all characters in some galactic video game either. Having no facts to prove otherwise doesn't make the case for the galactic video game scenario. It seems the premise you bought into is if something can't be backed by facts, it must be unreal.

There are certainly conflicting notions on Jesus. Among them are the Jews believe he wasn't a divine entity; the Muslims see him as a prophet but disbelieve his death by crucifixion; and Christians accepting Jesus as their savior. Lack of facts? The situation is just the opposite. They each have belief in their own set of facts in which they put their faith it. It is simply a matter of individual decision for each of us to decide our belief for ourselves.

 

[GLASNOST]

Robert Marshall's doctors and nurses can testify that he should have been brain dead due to how long his blood went without oxygen.

I remember doctors testifying "on camera" that neither sugar nor tobacco-smoking cause cancer, were addictive, or dangerous to our health in any other way. And then there is religion with a hundred different theories. I believe that people ought to be free to choose their placebo and drink whatever snake oil gives them relief. I think that's fair, don't you?

 

[GLASNOST]

Good for you now go play

Play is what I do when I am not disputing nonsense. Thank you for your concern but I am on duty at the moment.

 

[GLASNOST]

It grieves me to say that you missed everything of importance...... The video premise is all about a complete lack of facts. That is where your focus should be.

That is where my focus has been from the start

Excellent.

It seems the premise you bought into is if something can't be backed by facts, it must be unreal.

Then I must have been right when I said that you missed everything of importance and that is the reason for your absurd conclusion.

There are certainly conflicting notions on Jesus ....

Yes.

... Jews believe he wasn't a divine entity; the Muslims see him as a prophet but disbelieve his death by crucifixion ...

That's probably true, yes.

Lack of facts?

Absolutely.

The situation is just the opposite.

You really did miss everything of importance from the video.

They each have belief in their own set of facts in which they put their faith it.

Stop. Think. You are supporting written/documented proof that "Jews believe he wasn't a divine entity; the Muslims see him as a prophet but disbelieve his death by crucifixion". If you hadn't missed everything of importance from the video you'd understand that you have just agreed with the premise of the video itself. I say again that you are rightfully convinced that Jews and Muslims believe this and believe that but you have no proof of the existence of Jesus Christ ... nor do they.

It is simply a matter of individual decision for each of us to decide our belief for ourselves.

I see that you have decided to quote me - so I am getting through to you. That's good.

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

But it all comes down to whose facts you choose to believe. There's your video and then there are books such as Cold-Case Christianity.

A devout atheist, J. Warner Wallace couldn’t imagine believing in the Christian faith—until he applied the same step-by-step investigative process he utilized in his work as a homicide detective to the case for Christianity. In light of the ten common rules of evidence that he’d used to solve crimes throughout his career, Wallace realized he could no longer deny the truth of Jesus Christ. And his life was never the same.

A proven bestseller, Cold-Case Christianity shows:

• How detective skills help us determine the historical reliability of the Bible
• The role that evidence plays in the Christian definition of faith
• Why the gospel eyewitness accounts demonstrate the historicity of Jesus
• How rules of evidence help make the case for the proof of Christianity

That's great!

Now can he put his work as a homicide detective to solve the Nancy Guthrie case once and for all?

 

[GLASNOST]

A devout atheist, J. Warner Wallace couldn’t imagine believing in the Christian faith—until he applied the same step-by-step investigative process he utilized in his work as a homicide detective to the case for Christianity.

That's great! Now can he put his work as a homicide detective to solve the Nancy Guthrie case once and for all?

 

[GLASNOST]

about Jesus is nothing more than superstitious codswallop. That renders Jesus nothing more than a tiny footnote in history who had no role in humanity or the meaning of life. The OP video suggests compellingly that Jesus never existed in the first place and although he would have been of no importance anyway, it is none-the-less academically interesting because it is proof of humanity’s thirst for understanding our purpose in life. Who can blame us?

 

[rightwinger]

If you use the same standards for all other historic accounts, the Bible is easily the most legit historical literature on the planet.

Non-believers just change their standards to dispute the Bible. But the bible passes any standards when looking at any ancient civilization with flying colors.

The Bible comes across as parable passed down for generations

 

[Mr. Friscus]

The Bible comes across as parable passed down for generations

Cool opinion. Doesn’t change my claim. If you discount the Bible then you basically can’t take any of history seriously by the same standards.

 

[rightwinger]

Cool opinion. Doesn’t change my claim. If you discount the Bible then you basically can’t take any of history seriously by the same standards.

Of course you can

There are many other records available
Many of which don’t support biblical claims

 

[Hafar1014]

Of course you can

There are many other records available
Many of which don’t support biblical claims

THe Old testament is in most cases an allegory. The New Testament is total BS trying to fins a reason for Jesus to exist. The message is the workd will end and only believers in Jesus go to heavan. Its based on threats to force obedience. Thats supposed to be god of love. What followed was centuries of Christian violence and persecution of Jews and Muslims.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Of course you can

There are many other records available
Many of which don’t support biblical claims

But what are they based on? One person’s observations.

Meanwhile, the Bible is a unique document that has so many independent authors overlapping and saying the same things. For example, the gospels are iron clad by any standard a historian would use.

Yet, people like you take one persons observations as truth and discount the most legitimate historical document we have from those times

 

[Hafar1014]

But what are they based on? One person’s observations.

Meanwhile, the Bible is a unique document that has so many independent authors overlapping and saying the same things. For example, the gospels are iron clad by any standard a historian would use.

Yet, people like you take one persons observations as truth and discount the most legitimate historical document we have from those times

Its an allegory except for Leviticus which is civil law

 

[Meriweather]

All of it is debunked in the OP video.

Some say the same thing about the moon landings. Some believe the earth is flat. I do not watch videos that are posted here. Those speakings are not members and cannot enter discussions. However, if you wish to state a single point you feel he made, why not present a summary. I would be happy to discuss that with you.

 

[my2¢]

That's great!

Now can he put his work as a homicide detective to solve the Nancy Guthrie case once and for all?

It's a mighty sad situation down there.

Nancy Guthrie didn't come to my mind, but the issue of facts here on the thread has reminded me of all the theories on the JFK assassination and the notions of who was behind it. Castro? The CIA? Organized crime? LBJ? It must have been waiting in line at a supermarket checkout lane when I spotted one those tabloids whose cover headlined that he was alive living in South America.

The different views of Jesus by Jews, Christians, Muslims is enough indication to me that we're not talking about an imaginary figure.

 

[GLASNOST]

Historical evidence suggests that there was actually a person named Christ who existed in history.

It's all been debunked in the OP video.

Some say the same thing about the moon landings.

You are saying that eye witnesses in real time are equal to none from a few thousand years ago?

Some believe the earth is flat.

I have circumnavigated the globe. I am a real time witness that the earth is not flat.

I do not watch videos that are posted here.

Then how is your opinion on the subject relevant if you don't even know what I am talking about?

..... if you wish to state a single point you feel he made, why not present a summary.

Let me see now ...... you didn't watch the video and you don't believe what I already said about it. Is there a minimum of times I must repeat myself before you listen?

I would be happy to discuss that with you.

No, that's not true and you've proved it's not true with your own words.

 

[Meriweather]

Then how is your opinion on the subject relevant if you don't even know what I am talking about?

The point is: Why don't you tell me what you are talking about? Why do you need a video if you have something to say.

 

[GLASNOST]

... how is your opinion on the subject relevant if you don't even know what I am talking about ...... you didn't watch the video and you don't believe what I already said about it. Is there a minimum of times I must repeat myself before you listen?

The point is: Why don't you tell me what you are talking about? .

You are one thick-headed individual.

 

[Meriweather]

You are one thick-headed individual.

Yes, I am. My younger sister used the word 'stubborn', but she told her very first memory is telling herself that I am sure to be the most stubborn person she'll ever meet. She says the same today.

Yes, you and I can throw videos back and forth. I told you plainly, I am not interested in playing catch with videos in a discussion forum. Personally, I think they should be avoided. I have spent decades on studying/researching Jesus and all the commentary that has surrounded him, that video has nothing new to say to me. You, on the other hand may have a point you wish to discuss with someone who actually follows Jesus and The Way he taught. Tell me this: Name one of Jesus' teachings or parables, where that lesson is a myth, and has nothing to do with how to live one's life?

Second, from a child, another thing I loved has been mythology. There are differences between myths and Jesus. So...why are people so interested in tossing Jesus into the category of myth?

 

[ding]

... that Jesus probably didn't even exist. I gave you fair WARNING prior to watching the video so you can only blame yourself for your dismay and frustration.

Again...