Jesus believed in sharing the wealth.

[Gareyt17]

This thread is simply too funny....Liberals wish to equate Taxation with Jesus telling us to willingly share with each other....

They of course conveniently leave this one out of their equation when making their argument:

Definition of COVET
transitive verb
1
: to wish for earnestly <covet an award>
2
: to desire (what belongs to another) inordinately or culpably

COVET...as in Thou Shall NOT

But Jesus told the man, in one story, to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

THAT was an endorsement of the obligation to pay one's taxes.

By the definition employed in this thread TAKING (As in Government taking my money to give to another) is the same as my FREELY giving (Sharing) my wealth with others....they are not the same no matter how you try to spin it.....

 

[wjmacguffin]

As if Jesus would support a system that enslaves and murders people. Sick Sick Progs

I would love to hear what you consider "enslaving and murdering". Are you saying taxation enslaves and murders people?

 

[whitehall]

Pretty ironic that today's left which tries any way it can to eliminate every vestige of Christianity from public life feels free to interpret Jesus's teachings when they think they can get some political traction. Also ironic that the left would expel a kid from school for using the same argument.

 

[wjmacguffin]

This thread is simply too funny....Liberals wish to equate Taxation with Jesus telling us to willingly share with each other....

They of course conveniently leave this one out of their equation when making their argument:

Definition of COVET
transitive verb
1
: to wish for earnestly <covet an award>
2
: to desire (what belongs to another) inordinately or culpably

COVET...as in Thou Shall NOT

But Jesus told the man, in one story, to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

THAT was an endorsement of the obligation to pay one's taxes.

By the definition employed in this thread TAKING (As in Government taking my money to give to another) is the same as my FREELY giving (Sharing) my wealth with others....they are not the same no matter how you try to spin it.....

Agreed that paying taxes is not the same as giving to charity, as there is no worldly penalty for not giving to charity. However, Jesus supported paying taxes as well as giving to charity.

 

[wjmacguffin]

Pretty ironic that today's left which tries any way it can to eliminate every vestige of Christianity from public life feels free to interpret Jesus's teachings when they think they can get some political traction. Also ironic that the left would expel a kid from school for using the same argument.

The left wants all religion out of the government so everyone is free to believe whatever they want. Kids can quote Jesus in schools all they want--the left just argues that school leaders (teachers) cannot force kids to quote Jesus.

 

[Gareyt17]

Pretty ironic that today's left which tries any way it can to eliminate every vestige of Christianity from public life feels free to interpret Jesus's teachings when they think they can get some political traction. Also ironic that the left that would expel a kid from school for using the same argument.

The other thing we never seem to ponder in this nation any longer...How on Earth did all those people who lived here survive WITHOUT before we had all the government programs and such to take care of em!

I guess if you were down on your luck you just DIED! That seems to be what they think....strange when you think about if.

They are so absorbed in what government can give they don't realize this nation thrived and prospered LONG before the government began meddling in our lives...but today, they beg for evermore bigger government involvement in our lives.

I find it quite sad really....

 

[squeeze berry]

But Jesus told the man, in one story, to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

THAT was an endorsement of the obligation to pay one's taxes.

By the definition employed in this thread TAKING (As in Government taking my money to give to another) is the same as my FREELY giving (Sharing) my wealth with others....they are not the same no matter how you try to spin it.....

Agreed that paying taxes is not the same as giving to charity, as there is no worldly penalty for not giving to charity. However, Jesus supported paying taxes as well as giving to charity.

and that's precisely why the permise of this thread is stupid

 

[Gareyt17]

But Jesus told the man, in one story, to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

THAT was an endorsement of the obligation to pay one's taxes.

By the definition employed in this thread TAKING (As in Government taking my money to give to another) is the same as my FREELY giving (Sharing) my wealth with others....they are not the same no matter how you try to spin it.....

Agreed that paying taxes is not the same as giving to charity, as there is no worldly penalty for not giving to charity. However, Jesus supported paying taxes as well as giving to charity.

Which goes to why the OP is so ludicrous....there is no correlation, no equating Liberals desire for our money to Christs.

In fact, the governments constant demand for more of our money leaves less for the real "sharing" Jesus intended....

Take Mitt Romney as an example....liberals belittle his 13% or 15% tax....cause "he's rich and not paying his fair share" all the while completely ignoring the FACT the man gives over $10 MILLION (Willingly SHARING) to charity every year!

If da guberment don't get it, you didn't share...that is their mantra!

 

[Ernie S.]

Then there's this....

2 Thessalonians 3: "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

 

[Murf76]

Pretty ironic that today's left which tries any way it can to eliminate every vestige of Christianity from public life feels free to interpret Jesus's teachings when they think they can get some political traction. Also ironic that the left would expel a kid from school for using the same argument.

Good point, although "ironic" isn't necessarily the word I'd have chosen, more like grotesque, despicable, contemptible, twisted, appalling. But then again, none of those words really do it justice either. Trying to explain freedom to a socialist is like trying to explain algebra to your dog. They just don't get it.

The difference between voluntary an involuntary isn't difficult to understand. Charity is voluntary. End of story. It's not "charity" unless there's a choice. If something is involuntary, there's no choice, there's force. Taxes are taken ultimately at the point of a gun. And sure, that's not the government's first line of enforcement, but ultimately, you give 'em enough guff about it and that's the end result.

It's intellectually lazy to refuse to follow a thought or idea to it's end conclusion. Only by doing so can we see the impact on our freedom.

 

[SniperFire]

Yes, he said things would be better. But not "if you are able to get your hands on the other guy's stuff." Your interpretation implies he's greedy and lazy; things are better if he can get someone else to work hard so he can steal from that person. That's not part of his argument--unless this poster can correct me.

Oh, and thanks for lowering the bar with your course language. That's always a sign of intelligent debate.

Right. But of course, you just argued ' he never said, nor implied, anything about things being better.'

So kindly STFU.

Wrong again, but thanks for playing.

MY QUOTE: "That's up for debate, but he never said, nor implied, anything about things being better if he could just get hold of someone else's stuff." (New emphasis)

YOUR VERSION OF MY QUOTE: "He never said, nor implied, anything about things being better."

What, do you work for Fox News? You took half of my quote. The second half qualifies "better". Therefore, I cannot kindly STFU. In fact, I'll offer to tutor you on English grammar so you don't make mistakes like this again, if you'd like. (WARNING! I USED "IF" AGAIN!)

You said ' he never said, nor implied, anything about things being better.'

Not only are you wrong, as any poster can easily see, you are intellectually dishonest and laughable.

Select from one of our fine consolation prizes as you exit the studio, and as always..... Thanks for playin'!


LOL

 

[SniperFire]

But Jesus told the man, in one story, to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

THAT was an endorsement of the obligation to pay one's taxes.

By the definition employed in this thread TAKING (As in Government taking my money to give to another) is the same as my FREELY giving (Sharing) my wealth with others....they are not the same no matter how you try to spin it.....

Agreed that paying taxes is not the same as giving to charity, as there is no worldly penalty for not giving to charity. However, Jesus supported paying taxes as well as giving to charity.

Do you know what non-sequitur means?

 

[Foxfyre]

JESUS BELIEVED IN SHARING THE WEALTH.
THE CHRISTIAN’S GOD.

I believe Obama is following the example of Jesus when he said feed the poor, Gleaning in he NT and Tithes. Every society in the human world believe in sharing the wealth. Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor....He fed a multitude with 5 loaves and 2 fish and told them to give the surplus to the poor. He said pay your taxes. If that is not sharing the wealth, what is?
Plus GOD provided manna for the Jews in the wilderness. The Egyptians shared their store house of grain doing 7 lean year famine. The Christian bible teaches sharing the wealth.
As soon as Obama took office, sharing the wealth was communist and socialist and an evil thing as stealing and thief from those that have.
Mormon’s Bishop’s Storehouse it the largest example of sharing the wealth. After the U.S. Government.

PS.
Anytime the Government forces me to have a child that I cannot afford, they damn well be willing to take care of it.

Obama is not following the precepts of Jesus's teachings. Obama is following the precepts of Tiberius Caesar Augustus that the State assigns the rights the people will have, the State orders what the society is allowed to be, and the State can have whatever it wants to take from anybody and because we owe our blessings to the State, we should willing give the State whatever it wants.

Jesus was very big on human rights by rejecting both the vindictive judgmentalism that had evolved in the Old Testatment and the materialistic corruption running rampant in First Century Jerusalem. As such he would reject Obama's contempt for the 'rich' as being somehow undeserving of their riches and he would reject Obama's efforts to control the people by manipulation of the economy.

Yes Jesus told the 'rich young ruler' to sell what he had, give to the poor, and follow Jesus, because in that case the young man was worshipping his riches that were blocking him from embracing the important things of life. More than once Jesus warned of greed and self serving crowding out virtue and the real blessings of God. In most cases, Jesus not only did not condemn or put down the affluent, but applauded them, defended them, enjoyed them, and visited in their homes. He was obviously supportive of the rich managing their finances as they saw fit.

Matthew 25:34-36 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, "Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me."

You can find no passage, no suggestion that Jesus EVER suggested that one person should take what another person has and give that to the poor. Nor is there any suggestion in all the accounts we have of Jesus that he saw it as Rome's responsibility to care for the poor. If it is not given voluntarily, from one's own pockets, I'm pretty sure Jesus would not count it as charity. And I'm pretty sure Jesus would be very contemptuous of one person feeling righteous and absolved of his/her responsibility with a suggestion that government should take what other people have earned to do that.

 

[Full-Auto]

JESUS BELIEVED IN SHARING THE WEALTH.
THE CHRISTIAN’S GOD.

I believe Obama is following the example of Jesus when he said feed the poor, Gleaning in he NT and Tithes. Every society in the human world believe in sharing the wealth. Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor....He fed a multitude with 5 loaves and 2 fish and told them to give the surplus to the poor. He said pay your taxes. If that is not sharing the wealth, what is?
Plus GOD provided manna for the Jews in the wilderness. The Egyptians shared their store house of grain doing 7 lean year famine. The Christian bible teaches sharing the wealth.
As soon as Obama took office, sharing the wealth was communist and socialist and an evil thing as stealing and thief from those that have.
Mormon’s Bishop’s Storehouse it the largest example of sharing the wealth. After the U.S. Government.

PS.
Anytime the Government forces me to have a child that I cannot afford, they damn well be willing to take care of it.

iDIOT......When has the government forced you to conceive?

So Jesus believed stealing from others was a OK.

you are completely nuts................

 

[CrusaderFrank]

As if Jesus would support a system that enslaves and murders people. Sick Sick Progs

I would love to hear what you consider "enslaving and murdering". Are you saying taxation enslaves and murders people?

The systems Progs love and are trying to emulate in America, Socialism and Communism (Fascism too) all enslave and murder their own people, 100% of the time guaranteed

Simple enough for you?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Pretty ironic that today's left which tries any way it can to eliminate every vestige of Christianity from public life feels free to interpret Jesus's teachings when they think they can get some political traction. Also ironic that the left would expel a kid from school for using the same argument.

The Left is destroying themselves with their hate and vitriol. Frothing at the mouth is very unappealing in adults.

 

[Againsheila]

JESUS BELIEVED IN SHARING THE WEALTH.
THE CHRISTIAN’S GOD.

I believe Obama is following the example of Jesus when he said feed the poor, Gleaning in he NT and Tithes. Every society in the human world believe in sharing the wealth. Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor....He fed a multitude with 5 loaves and 2 fish and told them to give the surplus to the poor. He said pay your taxes. If that is not sharing the wealth, what is?
Plus GOD provided manna for the Jews in the wilderness. The Egyptians shared their store house of grain doing 7 lean year famine. The Christian bible teaches sharing the wealth.
As soon as Obama took office, sharing the wealth was communist and socialist and an evil thing as stealing and thief from those that have.
Mormon’s Bishop’s Storehouse it the largest example of sharing the wealth. After the U.S. Government.

PS.
Anytime the Government forces me to have a child that I cannot afford, they damn well be willing to take care of it.

Obama only believes in sharing wealth that isn't his. Otherwise HE would have been the one to pay his nephews hospital bill.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Why am I supposed to care what some person from 2000 years ago thinks?

 

[Murf76]

As if Jesus would support a system that enslaves and murders people. Sick Sick Progs

I would love to hear what you consider "enslaving and murdering". Are you saying taxation enslaves and murders people?

The systems Progs love and are trying to emulate in America, Socialism and Communism (Fascism too) all enslave and murder their own people, 100% of the time guaranteed

Simple enough for you?

Agreed. All leftist ideologies are pretty much the same. The differences are merely semantics. Collectivism demands that a few elite citizens serve as "the brain" for the collective, and without a foundation of individual freedom, its process is arbitrary, whatever feels good at the moment to the political class.

 

[Contumacious]

JESUS BELIEVED IN SHARING THE WEALTH.
THE CHRISTIAN’S GOD.

t.

Yep, that is exactly what Jesus said. He told the parasitic hordes, relax, smoke a joint, and when is time remind Bill Gates that you deserve part of his fortune because " he didn't do that alone"

Yes, indeed...the next American Revolution is going to be very very bloody ....