Jesse Ventura talks 9/11 makes fox news stooge walk off stage.

[eots]

Not even sure Bin Laden did it. If he did Mossad and the Bush admin knew about it and planted explosives to make sure the buildings came down.

To produce the effect we saw would require the most elaborate controlled demolition project in the history of the craft and there are only one or two demolition gangs in the entire world which are capable of bringing it off.

A project of that size would require no less than a dozen experienced, expert sappers running wire in the service corridors of both buildings, attaching measured charges to exposed beams, all of which would be visible to dozens of tradesmen, including carpenters, electricians, HVAC mechanics, tinsmiths, painters, and plumbers, all of whom would be moving about in those corridors 24 hours a day -- all of whom would be curious and have questions. Add to this the fact that access to those corridors is rigidly monitored by armed security personnel who need to identify all contractors and approve their presence and activities.

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Also consider the fact that every one of the sappers involved in that project must be okay with knowing he is doing something which will result in the deaths of thousands of innocent people, including children.

If you were a government official would you be willing to risk being involved in such a massively nefarious conspiracy, knowing all it would take to expose you is for one participant to be caught and interrogated? For a Mossad agent to be involved in such a plot would mean the end of America/Israel relations, or worse

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[Mr. Jones]

Jesse said he blew up a lot of stuff as a demolition guy with seals.
Yet he can't fathom how the WTC was so finely destroyed into many small fragments.. as if there were planted explosives.

So how did fires started with kerosene manage to pulverize the concrete? Ever think about how the energy that was needed in a gravity only collapse could have reconstituted itself to not only bend, distort the massive steel structure but also crush the concrete into a fine dust?

So Jesse.. when did these explosives get planted?
Remember Rosie couldn't understand how steel could melt?
Guess she never saw a steel mill.

Ask Lucky Larry Silverstein and the reporter who was told Silverstein was on the phone with his insurance company asking permission to implode his own property....after flight 93 missed its mark and crashed in Penn.

Shame On Jesse Ventura! | Fox News
It couldn't have been Al Qaeda that had access to the highly secure complex to plant CD assisting devices.
Ever work with torches and steel? It takes a lot of heat concentrated on a single part of it to get it to melt, as steel dissipates heat. Now they say the steel melted....If that were the case the buildings would have taken longer to fall, and leaned to the weakest parts of it and fallen in a staggered manner. Not come down evenly and all at once. This happened 3 times in one day. 2 planes taking out 3 buildings.....Sure...

Jesse also thinks bush/Cheney went and planted all that C-4 in their spare time....
That's why most rationale people who saw the planes on TV and the people that were there seem to have a good perspective that the WTC didn't need explosives when you consider there was
thousands of gallons of Jet A!

Seriously, were is Ventura even implying that these 2 were the masterminds and planted CD components themselves?
The "jet fuel" kerosene was consumed in the initial fireball and explosion (per NIST), and did not create sufficient fires at the required elevated temps, at the all the major support points, at the same time to cause such a uniform descent, in the times that were recorded. The 9-11 commission freely says 10 seconds... The lower unmolested part of the massive structure should have provided enough resistance to the collapse, as per the laws of conservation of momentum, to slow the collapse wave down considerably. That was for the towers. Building 7 is another thing altogether and wasn't struck by a plane, and the "damage" done to it by the falling towers were not a factor in its demise either, nor were the diesel tanks again per NIST. WTC 7 was a fortified building housing the OEM.

Most rational people will spot these inconsistencies, straight away and study the physics behind the collapse/s and with minimal research, conclude something just isn't right.
The NIST report was done based on preconceived outcomes that fire and gravity were to blame in the towers, and that a first time in history thermal expansion of one column was to blame for the implosion of WTC 7. All highly unlikely. But if you get your information from sources that are part of the coverup, bullshit in bullshit out...

 

[Eaglewings]

Jesse for President! I love him!
They pulled his shows right off the ID channel, so there must be some truths they want to hide.

 

[MikeK]

One element of common sense logic escapes the reasoning behind these paranoid conspiracy theories and it is the simple fact that implementing a controlled demolition capable of producing the "pancake" effect seen in the collapses would be counterproductive to the very purpose of the attack, which was destruction. The purpose of a controlled demolition, and all the intricate work involved in producing it, is to minimize destruction of the surrounding area. So given the fact that an un-controlled demolition, such as that attempted by Ramseh Yousef in 1993, would require significantly less than one percent of the effort and risk involved in a controlled demolition and, most importantly, would topple the building causing infinitely more damage to the surrounding areas, why would the conspirators go through all the extra trouble and risk to avoid the additional damage?

It should be mentioned it was determined that Yousef's attempt would successfully have toppled Tower One if the truck with the explosives had been parked closer to a support column in the basement garage -- a fact which the supposed 9/11 conspirators would have known and taken advantage of.

So the 9/11 conspiracy theory hinges on answering the question posed above. If the question cannot be satisfactorily answered the conspiracy theories must be intelligently regarded as ignorant, paranoid nonsense.

 

[eots]

One element of common sense logic escapes the reasoning behind these paranoid conspiracy theories and it is the simple fact that implementing a controlled demolition capable of producing the "pancake" effect seen in the collapses would be counterproductive to the very purpose of the attack, which was destruction. The purpose of a controlled demolition, and all the intricate work involved in producing it, is to minimize destruction of the surrounding area. So given the fact that an un-controlled demolition, such as that attempted by Ramseh Yousef in 1993, would require significantly less than one percent of the effort and risk involved in a controlled demolition and, most importantly, would topple the building causing infinitely more damage to the surrounding areas, why would the conspirators go through all the extra trouble and risk to avoid the additional damage?

It should be mentioned it was determined that Yousef's attempt would successfully have toppled Tower One if the truck with the explosives had been parked closer to a support column in the basement garage -- a fact which the supposed 9/11 conspirators would have known and taken advantage of.

So the 9/11 conspiracy theory hinges on answering the question posed above. If the question cannot be satisfactorily answered the conspiracy theories must be intelligently regarded as ignorant, paranoid nonsense.

It was a controlled event...the perpetrators did not want the damage to infrastructure or imped commerce any more than required to meet their agenda...

 

[MikeK]

One element of common sense logic escapes the reasoning behind these paranoid conspiracy theories and it is the simple fact that implementing a controlled demolition capable of producing the "pancake" effect seen in the collapses would be counterproductive to the very purpose of the attack, which was destruction. The purpose of a controlled demolition, and all the intricate work involved in producing it, is to minimize destruction of the surrounding area. So given the fact that an un-controlled demolition, such as that attempted by Ramseh Yousef in 1993, would require significantly less than one percent of the effort and risk involved in a controlled demolition and, most importantly, would topple the building causing infinitely more damage to the surrounding areas, why would the conspirators go through all the extra trouble and risk to avoid the additional damage?

It should be mentioned it was determined that Yousef's attempt would successfully have toppled Tower One if the truck with the explosives had been parked closer to a support column in the basement garage -- a fact which the supposed 9/11 conspirators would have known and taken advantage of.

So the 9/11 conspiracy theory hinges on answering the question posed above. If the question cannot be satisfactorily answered the conspiracy theories must be intelligently regarded as ignorant, paranoid nonsense.

It was a controlled event...the perpetrators did not want the damage to infrastructure or imped commerce any more than required to meet their agenda...

Oh, boy.

 

[eots]

Same reason the plane at the pentagon did a circle around the building so it could hit the area that was reinforced and not occupied with senior staff

 

[NoNukes]

This thread should be moved to the conspiracy forum where it can be properly ignored.

What forum do you think this is?

 

[GuyPinestra]

Not even sure Bin Laden did it. If he did Mossad and the Bush admin knew about it and planted explosives to make sure the buildings came down.

To produce the effect we saw would require the most elaborate controlled demolition project in the history of the craft and there are only one or two demolition gangs in the entire world which are capable of bringing it off.

A project of that size would require no less than a dozen experienced, expert sappers running wire in the service corridors of both buildings, attaching measured charges to exposed beams, all of which would be visible to dozens of tradesmen, including carpenters, electricians, HVAC mechanics, tinsmiths, painters, and plumbers, all of whom would be moving about in those corridors 24 hours a day -- all of whom would be curious and have questions. Add to this the fact that access to those corridors is rigidly monitored by armed security personnel who need to identify all contractors and approve their presence and activities.

Also consider the fact that every one of the sappers involved in that project must be okay with knowing he is doing something which will result in the deaths of thousands of innocent people, including children.

If you were a government official would you be willing to risk being involved in such a massively nefarious conspiracy, knowing all it would take to expose you is for one participant to be caught and interrogated? For a Mossad agent to be involved in such a plot would mean the end of America/Israel relations, or worse.

So Mike, you say there is no way for the buildings to be wired for demolition yet for 6 months prior to the collapse there were hundreds of workmen in the towers rewiring the offices with broadband and data cables. These guys, according to employees interviewed after the fact, were granted access to the towers 24/7. How hard could it be for a crew to go unnoticed amongst the hundreds of workers doing the legitimate work?

 

[eots]

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[MikeK]

So Mike, you say there is no way for the buildings to be wired for demolition yet for 6 months prior to the collapse there were hundreds of workmen in the towers rewiring the offices with broadband and data cables. These guys, according to employees interviewed after the fact, were granted access to the towers 24/7. How hard could it be for a crew to go unnoticed amongst the hundreds of workers doing the legitimate work?

Very, very hard!

Begin with the fact that it would be virtually impossible to find the necessary craftsmen who would be willing to participate in such a monumentally nefarious and incredibly risky project. And don't you think at least one of the technicians who were wiring the cable equipment might wonder why beams were being cut and explosive charges were being attached? How could something like that be concealed or disguised from the curious eyes of dozens of other types of tradesmen -- and security personnel?

Can you really imagine anyone at any level of government being stupidly self-destructive enough to engage in such a conspiratory effort? Even Tom Clancy wouldn't consider putting forth such an absurd plot. The odds against bringing it off are a billion to one.

 

[GuyPinestra]

So Mike, you say there is no way for the buildings to be wired for demolition yet for 6 months prior to the collapse there were hundreds of workmen in the towers rewiring the offices with broadband and data cables. These guys, according to employees interviewed after the fact, were granted access to the towers 24/7. How hard could it be for a crew to go unnoticed amongst the hundreds of workers doing the legitimate work?

Very, very hard!

Begin with the fact that it would be virtually impossible to find the necessary craftsmen who would be willing to participate in such a monumentally nefarious and incredibly risky project. And don't you think at least one of the technicians who were wiring the cable equipment might wonder why beams were being cut and explosive charges were being attached? How could something like that be concealed or disguised from the curious eyes of dozens of other types of tradesmen -- and security personnel?

Can you really imagine anyone at any level of government being stupidly self-destructive enough to engage in such a conspiratory effort? Even Tom Clancy wouldn't consider putting forth such an absurd plot. The odds against bringing it off are a billion to one.

With 24/7 access, the 'nefarious work' could be done when the regular guys were home in bed asleep. None of those tradesmen would think anything of additional wiring, they knew that several trades were all working in the buildings at all hours. Charges placed in strategic structural supports are easily hidden with a fresh layer of foam 'fireproofing'. Nobody cut any beams, Mike. Thermate did that on the day of the event, hidden under that same layer of 'fireproofing'.

 

[Politico]

Power Downs, Evacuations, Strange Events in Weeks Before 9/11 - YouTube

Bahahahaha!

 

[eots]

So Mike, you say there is no way for the buildings to be wired for demolition yet for 6 months prior to the collapse there were hundreds of workmen in the towers rewiring the offices with broadband and data cables. These guys, according to employees interviewed after the fact, were granted access to the towers 24/7. How hard could it be for a crew to go unnoticed amongst the hundreds of workers doing the legitimate work?

Very, very hard!

Begin with the fact that it would be virtually impossible to find the necessary craftsmen who would be willing to participate in such a monumentally nefarious and incredibly risky project. And don't you think at least one of the technicians who were wiring the cable equipment might wonder why beams were being cut and explosive charges were being attached? How could something like that be concealed or disguised from the curious eyes of dozens of other types of tradesmen -- and security personnel?

Can you really imagine anyone at any level of government being stupidly self-destructive enough to engage in such a conspiratory effort? Even Tom Clancy wouldn't consider putting forth such an absurd plot. The odds against bringing it off are a billion to one.

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[eots]

Raymond L. McGovern – 27-year CIA veteran. Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates (NIE), the consensus reports of all U.S. intelligence agencies. According to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, NIE's "are the Intelligence Community’s most authoritative written judgments on national security issues." Responsible for preparing and presenting the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush and for providing intelligence briefing to their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials. Upon retirement in 1990, McGovern was awarded the CIA’s Intelligence Commendation Medallion and received a letter of appreciation from then-President George H. W. Bush. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.
Endorsement of 9/11 and American Empire (Vol I) – Intellectuals Speak Out:

"It has long been clear that the Bush-Cheney administration cynically exploited the attacks of 9/11 to promote its imperial designs. But the present volume confronts us with compelling evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited. If this is true, it is not merely the case, as the Downing Street memos show, that the stated reason for attacking Iraq was a lie. It is also the case that the whole 'war on terror' was based on a prior deception. This book hence confronts the American people---indeed the people of the world as a whole---with an issue second to none in importance and urgency. I give this book, which in no way can be dismissed as the ravings of ‘paranoid conspiracy theorists,’ my highest possible recommendation." Interlink Books


William Christison (1928 - 2010) – Joined the CIA in 1950, and served on the analysis side of the Agency for 28 years. From the early 1970s he served as National Intelligence Officer (principal adviser to the Director of Central Intelligence on certain areas) for, at various times, Southeast Asia, South Asia and Africa. Before he retired in 1979 he was Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, a 250-person unit responsible for political analysis of every country and region in the world.
Endorsement of Debunking 9/11 Debunking 3/30/07:

"David Ray Griffin’s Debunking 9/11 Debunking is a superb compendium of the strong body of evidence showing the official U.S. Government story of what happened on September 11, 2001 to be almost certainly a monstrous series of lies. Tragically, the entire course of U.S. foreign and domestic policies since that date has grown out of these almost certain falsehoods. This single book could (and should) provide the basis for the United Nations‚ International Court of Justice, or some specially constituted global body (independent of the U.S.) to investigate with highest priority, and publicly report its findings about, the charge that unknown elements within the U.S. Government, and possibly some individuals elsewhere closely allied to the U.S., caused or contributed to causing the events of September 11 to happen."


Capt. Eric H. May, U.S. Army (ret) – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer. Former inspector and interpreter for the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty team.
Essay 9/11 and Non-investigation: "As a former Army officer, my tendency immediately after 911 was to rally 'round the colors and defend the country against what I then thought was an insidious, malicious all-Arab entity called Al-Qaida. In fact, in April of 2002, I attempted to reactivate my then-retired commission to return to serve my country in its time of peril. ...

Now I view the 911 event as Professor David Griffin, author of The New Pearl Harbor, views it: as a matter that implies either

A) passive participation by the Bush White House through a deliberate stand-down of proper defense procedures that (if followed) would have led US air assets to a quick identification and confrontation of the passenger aircraft that impacted WTC 1 and WTC 2, or worse ...

B) active execution of a plot by rogue elements of government, starting with the White House itself, in creating a spectacle of destruction that would lead the United States into an invasion of the Middle East ..." Captain Eric May


Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[MikeK]

Raymond L. McGovern – 27-year CIA veteran. Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates (NIE), the consensus reports of all U.S. intelligence agencies. According to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, NIE's "are the Intelligence Community’s most authoritative written judgments on national security issues." Responsible for preparing and presenting the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush and for providing intelligence briefing to their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials. Upon retirement in 1990, McGovern was awarded the CIA’s Intelligence Commendation Medallion and received a letter of appreciation from then-President George H. W. Bush. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.
Endorsement of 9/11 and American Empire (Vol I) – Intellectuals Speak Out:

"It has long been clear that the Bush-Cheney administration cynically exploited the attacks of 9/11 to promote its imperial designs. But the present volume confronts us with compelling evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited. If this is true, it is not merely the case, as the Downing Street memos show, that the stated reason for attacking Iraq was a lie. It is also the case that the whole 'war on terror' was based on a prior deception. This book hence confronts the American people---indeed the people of the world as a whole---with an issue second to none in importance and urgency. I give this book, which in no way can be dismissed as the ravings of ‘paranoid conspiracy theorists,’ my highest possible recommendation." Interlink Books


William Christison (1928 - 2010) – Joined the CIA in 1950, and served on the analysis side of the Agency for 28 years. From the early 1970s he served as National Intelligence Officer (principal adviser to the Director of Central Intelligence on certain areas) for, at various times, Southeast Asia, South Asia and Africa. Before he retired in 1979 he was Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, a 250-person unit responsible for political analysis of every country and region in the world.
Endorsement of Debunking 9/11 Debunking 3/30/07:

"David Ray Griffin’s Debunking 9/11 Debunking is a superb compendium of the strong body of evidence showing the official U.S. Government story of what happened on September 11, 2001 to be almost certainly a monstrous series of lies. Tragically, the entire course of U.S. foreign and domestic policies since that date has grown out of these almost certain falsehoods. This single book could (and should) provide the basis for the United Nations‚ International Court of Justice, or some specially constituted global body (independent of the U.S.) to investigate with highest priority, and publicly report its findings about, the charge that unknown elements within the U.S. Government, and possibly some individuals elsewhere closely allied to the U.S., caused or contributed to causing the events of September 11 to happen."


Capt. Eric H. May, U.S. Army (ret) – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer. Former inspector and interpreter for the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty team.
Essay 9/11 and Non-investigation: "As a former Army officer, my tendency immediately after 911 was to rally 'round the colors and defend the country against what I then thought was an insidious, malicious all-Arab entity called Al-Qaida. In fact, in April of 2002, I attempted to reactivate my then-retired commission to return to serve my country in its time of peril. ...

Now I view the 911 event as Professor David Griffin, author of The New Pearl Harbor, views it: as a matter that implies either

A) passive participation by the Bush White House through a deliberate stand-down of proper defense procedures that (if followed) would have led US air assets to a quick identification and confrontation of the passenger aircraft that impacted WTC 1 and WTC 2, or worse ...

B) active execution of a plot by rogue elements of government, starting with the White House itself, in creating a spectacle of destruction that would lead the United States into an invasion of the Middle East ..." Captain Eric May


Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

Notice how none of these publicity-seeking conspiracy theorists offer the slightest hint about how the "inside job" they allude to was carried out. Not the vaguest suggestion. Not a single word. Just a generalized, wholly unsupported suggestion bearing absolutely no weight other than that of their former credentials.

I believe George W. Bush knew a terrorist attack was imminent and I'm sure he wanted it to happen, which is why he methodically ignored a series of intelligence reports and one very substantive warning from FBI Agent Colleen Rowley. The 9/11 attack occurred much to Bush's advantage. It set him on the track to achieving almost everything on his destructive agenda.

 

[eots]

So these men of service that held expressibility of some of the most sensitive areas of of national security are now attention seeking conspiracy theorist...this how you resolve this for yourself ?



Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:


"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved in the destruction of the World Trade Center." AE911Truth.org

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[Mr. Jones]

Notice how none of these publicity-seeking conspiracy theorists offer the slightest hint about how the "inside job" they allude to was carried out. Not the vaguest suggestion. Not a single word. Just a generalized, wholly unsupported suggestion bearing absolutely no weight other than that of their former credentials.

This describes the peddlers of the outrageous 19 Muslims with box cutters conspiracy theory.

I believe George W. Bush knew a terrorist attack was imminent and I'm sure he wanted it to happen, which is why he methodically ignored a series of intelligence reports and one very substantive warning from FBI Agent Colleen Rowley. The 9/11 attack occurred much to Bush's advantage. It set him on the track to achieving almost everything on his destructive agenda.

Perhaps, but IMO Bush was a stooge only elevated and selected to the presidency as a conduit for the more powerful devious and evil members of the rouge element that infiltrated top echelon positions within the administration in order to facilitate the 9-11 attacks, and follow the plan they set out to achieve years before. The Israeli dual citizens of PNAC are the brains behind it.

 

[PredFan]

I like Ventura but he's a truther wack job. I'd walk off too. Sometimes you just can't stand being in the company of that much lunacy.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Cause Osama Bin Laden is the ultimate insider right?

Well he was during the time he collected paychecks from the CIA.

thats the thing that cracks me up about the 9/11 apologists living in denial,they always ignore the facts that Bin Laden had a strong relationship with the Bushs,that his whole family was flied out of the country when nobody else could on 9/11 and that Al Queda was CREATED by the CIA.they dodge those facts everytime.