Kentucky child killer walks free on 'good behavior,' gets arrested again within days

[Failzero]

Pedo / NAMBLA / MAP fatigue

 

[leftwinger]

I would have no problem with changing our legal system from "NOt Guilty by reason of insanity" to "Guilty, but insane". The thing is, the standard for legal insanity is so high that very few people reach it.



I think the problem here is how legal insanity is defined. Not that you are merely mentally ill, (36% of incacerted individuals have some kind of mental illness), but that your mental illness prevented you from understanding the seriousness of your actions. The fact he had the presense of mind to plan the home invasion shows he wasn't insane in the assaults, but the murder was argued to be a act of madness




Not really true. Most people who are found NGBRI spend more time locked up than people who are straight-up found guilty.

The Use of the Insanity Defense as a Jail Diversion Mechanism for Mentally Ill Persons Charged With Misdemeanors

Heightened awareness and concern regarding the large number of mentally ill misdemeanants in jails has led to a search for alternatives to jail and to the development nationwide of jail diversion programs for offenders with mental illness. Two such mechanisms—diversion to civil commitment and...

jaapl.org

That sounds a bit, crazy.

Again, no problem with replacing "Guilty, but insane" for NGBRI pleas. Then these people can get the treatment they need and then spend whatever is an appropriate time when they are "well".

Nobody gives a crap about your legal tricks and gimmick? Just SHUP.

The sick POS animal stabbed a 6 yr old to death for no reason. Heck it happens all the time gosh dammeeett!

Needs to be executed quickly after caught and overwhelmingly proven. A serious danger to society. Clean them out.

End story. //

 

[braalian]

He got out because he is black and allowing murder is a form of reparations.

It’s always charming how you manage to work in some racist bullshit into threads that have nothing to do with race

 

[Failzero]

It’s always charming how you manage to work in some racist bullshit into threads that have nothing to do with race

Tell that to the Judges

 

[braalian]

Nobody gives a crap about your legal tricks and gimmick? Just SHUP.

The sick POS animal stabbed a 6 yr old to death for no reason. Heck it happens all the time gosh dammeeett!

Needs to be executed quickly after caught and overwhelmingly proven. A serious danger to society. Clean them out.

End story. //

It’s like you didn’t even read the post you quoted

 

[JoeB131]

Nobody gives a crap about your legal tricks and gimmick? Just SHUP.

The sick POS animal stabbed a 6 yr old to death for no reason. Heck it happens all the time gosh dammeeett!

Needs to be executed quickly after caught and overwhelmingly proven. A serious danger to society. Clean them out.

End story. //

Yeah, buddy, the problem is execution is a costly and flawed process, which is why we only execute about 40 people a year.

with 18% of the population suffering some kind of mental illness, we really can't expect to keep ignoring the problem and getting good results.

 

[braalian]

Tell that to the Judges

Tell them what? That EvilCatBreath is a mentally unstable racist?

What’re they going to do with that information?

 

[JoeB131]

It’s like you didn’t even read the post you quoted

Well, I use too many big words for him.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Yeah, buddy, the problem is execution is a costly and flawed process, which is why we only execute about 40 people a year.

It's only costly because we allow them 20 years of appeals. They should get two appeals within a short amount of time and if those fail then execution by firing squad. Quick, easy, and cheap.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Most violent crime is committed by a small percentage of people. Studies have shown this. If this population were permanently locked away you would say violent rates plummet even in big cities, but our injustice system keeps turning them back out on the streets over and over until they kill someone and then everyone acts outraged.

We don't have to live with this kind of crime. We choose to live with it.

 

[leftwinger]

It’s like you didn’t even read the post you quoted

"NOt Guilty by reason of insanity" to "Guilty, but insane".

Who gives a ratts butt about changing the definition? WTH? Its another Black killer roaming about. Far too many out there already. May with 50 or more arrested or plea margin lesser convictions. You want to soften the naming of the killing? Or whatever. Kid killers especially bad. Execution right away.

You freaking marshmellowed brained Leftist gave J6 non-violent 1st time offenders 1/2 of what this animal served for murder for tresspassing!! All of you are insane.

 

[JoeB131]

It's only costly because we allow them 20 years of appeals. They should get two appeals within a short amount of time and if those fail then execution by firing squad. Quick, easy, and cheap.

How many people have been exonerated from Death Row after being there for more than 20 years?

Here's one from PA.

Noel Montalvo Exonerated Twenty Years After Pennsylvania Sent Him to Death Row | Death Penalty Information Center

On December 18, Pennsylvania dropped all homicide charges against Noel Montalvo, twenty years after he was convicted and sentenced to death in York...

deathpenaltyinfo.org

Here's one from Texas

fox7austin.com/news/kerry-max-cook-murder-exoneration


Here's one from Arizona.

Arizona Man Freed From Death Row After 29 Years

Barry Jones spent 29 years on death row for a crime he did not commit.

eji.org

I'm sure I could find a lot more, but you get my point (I hope).

Our system is too seriously flawed to have a penalty that cannot be reversed if found to be wrong later.

 

[JoeB131]

Most violent crime is committed by a small percentage of people. Studies have shown this. If this population were permanently locked away you would say violent rates plummet even in big cities, but our injustice system keeps turning them back out on the streets over and over until they kill someone and then everyone acts outraged.

We don't have to live with this kind of crime. We choose to live with it.

Well, funny thing about that.

We lock up 2 million people.
We have another 7 million on probation or parole.
We have another 70 million with some kind of police record.

Just locking them all up would be impractical.

 

[Failzero]

We can jail our way outta this

 

[SassyIrishLass]

We can jail our way outta this

The reoffend rate is astronomical

Nip it in the bud the first time

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Well, funny thing about that.

We lock up 2 million people.
We have another 7 million on probation or parole.
We have another 70 million with some kind of police record.

Just locking them all up would be impractical.

No, it wouldn't because once people realize the penalties are real it becomes a major deterrence. All you need to do is look at the countries who deal out harsh punishments to criminals and compare their crime rates to the west.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

How many people have been exonerated from Death Row after being there for more than 20 years?

Here's one from PA.

Noel Montalvo Exonerated Twenty Years After Pennsylvania Sent Him to Death Row | Death Penalty Information Center

On December 18, Pennsylvania dropped all homicide charges against Noel Montalvo, twenty years after he was convicted and sentenced to death in York...

deathpenaltyinfo.org

Here's one from Texas

fox7austin.com/news/kerry-max-cook-murder-exoneration


Here's one from Arizona.

Arizona Man Freed From Death Row After 29 Years

Barry Jones spent 29 years on death row for a crime he did not commit.

eji.org

I'm sure I could find a lot more, but you get my point (I hope).

Our system is too seriously flawed to have a penalty that cannot be reversed if found to be wrong later.

Correct, the current system has flaws, so what's the difference? Many of those cases involved arrests prior to DNA collection or when it was in its infancy and wasn't widely available. Mistakes are less likely to occur today than they were prior to the turn of the century.

There will never be a perfect system, but it's pretty evident what we're doing now isn't working.

 

[Failzero]

Correct, the current system has flaws, so what's the difference? Many of those cases involved arrests prior to DNA collection or when it was in its infancy and wasn't widely available. Mistakes are less likely to occur today than they were prior to the turn of the century.

There will never be a perfect system, but it's pretty evident what we're doing now isn't working.

We can imprison our way outta this

 

[JoeB131]

No, it wouldn't because once people realize the penalties are real it becomes a major deterrence. All you need to do is look at the countries who deal out harsh punishments to criminals and compare their crime rates to the west.

But not really. If that were the case, then the murder rates in the DP States would be lower than the non-DP states.

The murder rate in European countries, (almost all of whom have abolished the DP) would be higher than the US, not much lower.

Correct, the current system has flaws, so what's the difference? Many of those cases involved arrests prior to DNA collection or when it was in its infancy and wasn't widely available. Mistakes are less likely to occur today than they were prior to the turn of the century.

There will never be a perfect system, but it's pretty evident what we're doing now isn't working.

I agree. What we are doing now isn't working.

Potentially murdering innocent people isn't going to fix that.

I should point out that a lot of people who are exonerated aren't by DNA. They are exonerated because witnesses admitted they lied, or someone else confessed to the crime, or there was some kind of police or prosecutorial misconduct or legal incompetence on the part of defense attorneys.

We have high crime rates for the following reasons...

1) Poverty
2) Racism
3) Mental Illness
4) Drug addiction
5) Gun proliferation.

We don't seem terribly keen on fixing any of these problems.

Final point on this. When was the last time we executed a rich white person for a heinous crime?

I would be very hard-pressed to think of a case.

 

[Failzero]

But not really. If that were the case, then the murder rates in the DP States would be lower than the non-DP states.

The murder rate in European countries, (almost all of whom have abolished the DP) would be higher than the US, not much lower.



I agree. What we are doing now isn't working.

Potentially murdering innocent people isn't going to fix that.

I should point out that a lot of people who are exonerated aren't by DNA. They are exonerated because witnesses admitted they lied, or someone else confessed to the crime, or there was some kind of police or prosecutorial misconduct or legal incompetence on the part of defense attorneys.

We have high crime rates for the following reasons...

1) Poverty
2) Racism
3) Mental Illness
4) Drug addiction
5) Gun proliferation.

We don't seem terribly keen on fixing any of these problems.

Final point on this. When was the last time we executed a rich white person for a heinous crime?

I would be very hard-pressed to think of a case.

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