Jeffrey Epstein wrote that Donald J. Trump spent hours at his house with one of Mr. Epstein’s victims.

[postman]

So you admit you are a lying sack of shit for calling him a rapist.

About time, liar.

No, the jury called Trump a rapist, when they found him liable when they judged he committed a rape, {in general legal terms) and not just sexual abuse that New Yorks antiquated penal law limited them to.

 

[postman]

Ex Post Facto.

Look it up, Simp.

That's why Trump doesn't have to answer criminally for what he did.

But there is no ex-post facto in "civil" law.

 

[postman]

No, the "ex post facto" clause in the US Constitution applies only to criminal laws, not civil cases. The Supreme Court has consistently held that this prohibition is limited to retroactive laws that impose criminal penalties for acts that were legal when they were committed, or that increase the severity of a criminal punishment.

 

[postman]

Please cite the citation Trump was charged under.

CPLR

 

[MagicMike]

That was a peculiarity in New York law, that was since fixed. As was pointed out by the court of appeals, that New York's antiquated rape definition did not comport with that of the surrounding states, or most of the country.

True.
Trump escaped a rape conviction on a technicality so MAGAts excuse him. They'll do the same for his pedophilia.
Good God!
Did any of us ever DREAM we'd reach a point in this nation where we would have to argue about whether a president's past violent, sexual assault against a woman was "acceptable" or not because he didn't use a penis?

Mr. LIEU. Mr. Speaker, on July 19, 2023, Federal Judge Lewis Kaplan rejected Donald Trump's request for a new trial and confirmed that Donald Trump raped E. Jean Carroll.

I must submit this court ruling into the Congressional Record, and I will read what the judge found. On page 43, the judge wrote: ``Ms. Carroll testified that the sexual assault--the `rape'--of which she accused Mr. Trump involved especially painful, forced digital penetration. . . . ''

The judge further writes: ``The testimony of the outcry witnesses, [Mses.] Birnbach and Martin, corroborated the essence of Ms. Carroll's account of a violent, traumatic sexual assault.''

On page 44, the judge wrote: ``The jury's finding of sexual abuse therefore necessarily implies that it found that Mr. Trump forcibly penetrated her vagina.''

The judge further writes: `` . . . in other words, that he raped her. . . . ''

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[postman]

Thought the finding was sexual assault in a civil, not criminal trial.

Squeeze as hard as you can, nothing is coming out.

That was what they were limited to calling it.
Their judgement was to the severity of the assault, that they judged to be a rape, even if New York penal code didn't allow it. But was in fact a rape under the laws of most of the country, as the appeals court pointed out, and as such upheld the size of the judgement.

 

[dblack]

postman

Trump escaped a rape conviction on a technicality so MAGAts excuse him. They'll do the same for his pedophilia.

Which is why trying to turn this into a political thing to smear Trump is pointless. Republicans hate Dems so much, they'll excuse anything Trump does.

By now, everyone knows who and what Trump is. Shining a brighter light on it isn't going to change minds.

 

[postman]

Civil is not criminal.......

I didn't say it was criminal. Trump faced a civil penalty for his assault. And the jury's judgement was that his assault was in accordance with the laws of most of the country a case of rape.
But they could not call it rape under a technicality.
But if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....

 

[MagicMike]

The way it's done is to file criminal charges in criminal court......if you can prove it.

'Due Process'

He was found liable in civil court so yeah, he's guilty.
What you are doing here is trying to blame the victim for being too scared and traumatized to come forward sooner and file charges.
It is a common MO for raped and abused women to be too terrified to bring charges against their assailants, which is too bad because it only allows pigs like you to blame the victim.

 

[postman]

Nagging question is why was Trump never criminally charged?

Ex-post facto.

 

[postman]

Why wasn't rape mentioned in the juries verdict?

It was excluded on motion by Trump's team, as not being as defined in NYS Penal Code.

 

[postman]

postman

Which is why trying to turn this into a political thing to smear Trump is pointless. Republicans hate Dems so much, they'll excuse anything Trump does.

Including standing in the middle of 5th avenue, and shooting someone.

 

[dblack]

Including standing in the middle of 5th avenue, and shooting someone.

Maybe. Dems need to get over this and come up with a package that can beat him.

 

[MagicMike]

Please cite the citation Trump was charged under.

https://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/2023-01/Carroll%20II%20DI%2038%20Opinion.pdf

 

[postman]

That was the judges 'opinion' not the jury findings.

Does Marener deliver mail too?

No, that was the jury's finding. As they awarded a much bigger judgement, than would be proper for sexual abuse.
That the assault rose to a higher level than they could call it.

You are arguing like Trump, that the judgement was excessive for sexual abuse. And the judge pointed out the jury's judgement comported with that of the surrounding states, where it could be called rape.

 

[MagicMike]

Really?... You mean like Obama and his administration conspiring to spy on a dually elected president ? to make up false stories in order to force them out of office... Obama is the one who should be in prison along with his whole corrupt administration

Nice try at whataboutism. And WTF is a dually elected president?

 

[postman]

Maybe. Dems need to get over this and come up with a package that can beat him.

That may be difficult, after the Supreme Court left open that the president could send seal team six after a political opponent, and be covered by presidential immunity.

 

[dblack]

That may be difficult, after the Supreme Court left open that the president could send seal team six after a political opponent, and be covered by presidential immunity.

I don't see how it could be that difficult to come up with a better candidate than Trump. But Dems keep failing, so there's that.

 

[leftwinger]

Ladies just keep your legs closed and face out of the coke mirror and you WON'T GET into this stuff. That's all//

missing wont on other thread. To late to edit or delete. I stand by it. Stand by your hoe.

 

[AntonToo]

Clinton apparently had plenty of time on his hands to assault women, and get sucked off by an intern while in the oval office.

And you seriously think that's same as running a sex trafficking business? Come on.