Jeffrey Epstein wrote that Donald J. Trump spent hours at his house with one of Mr. Epstein’s victims.

[dblack]

I'm not being stupid...I'm the one saying that maybe Donald is the anonymous source that tried to rat on Epstein before the family of the 14 year old girl shortly after. Epstein is 75% there, thinking that Trump was the rat.

An informant, as Mike Johnson had said ...but later retracted, Donald Trump was an FBI informant...a rat as Donald calls informants NOW a days.

That maybe, after this long meet with Virginia at Epstein's house alone..., maybe she actually spelled it all out to Trump and she thought he would help her and the rest of the girls....of course Trump's thoughts were probably how could he use this as leverage over Epstein....

I've been thinking about all of this for a while and trying to make sense of it...

Virginia later went on to tell all, on Epstein and Maxwell and all the older men she slept with....but never ever said Trump was anything but cordial... Other girls too, said that too.

So, maybe, just maybe Trump had plausible deniability....maybe he saw the young girls around Epstein all the time, but never knew they were not 18 yrs old and never asked...maybe Trump thought sex could be going on in the masseuse room, but never witnessed first hand so he could plausibly deny it was all going on....

Sure, there are the half naked girls, topless on his lap, that there are pictures of Trump with....but again, Trump could think they are 18 and not minors... or at least tell himself that....and without asking, how would he know?

Then there are the instances of sharing a girlfriend together and Epstein supplying Trump with girls... But they were over 18.

Then you have Trump making the public statement about knowing Jeffrey for 15 years and him loving beautiful women as much as Trump does, only they are on the YOUNGER side....
....would Trump really make that statement if he thought the YOUNGER side meant illegal underage girls and implicate his good buddy in crimes? I don't think so.....not back in 2002....with his plausible deniability he could say he was talking about 18 year olds.

It's possible that because Jeffrey was going to implicate Trump in Russian money laundering when the home in contention later was sold by Trump to the Russian Oligarch for more than twice what Trump bought it for... as part of his revenge against Trump for out bidding Epstein from under his feet, on the house Epstein showed Trump he wanted to buy...

Maybe Trump beat him on the revenge and made that anonymous call to the police chief in West Palm beach ratting on Jeffrey for his minor girl Harem??

Epstein clearly thought Trump ratted him out and perhaps would do so again, it seems.....

would Trump rat Epstein out, if he were a participant...? I don't think so, nor did Epstein it seems....

NOW know....this is all giving Trump the HUGE benefit of the doubt....that he didn't actually play with the minors and could plausibly deny knowing they were minors....

Trust me... I do NOT want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, I do not want to even give him plausible deniability.... But, I think it could be ....possible.

Welcoming any argument against my speculation from my liberal friends.... even hoping for it!

This is more or less where I've landed. I think Trump palled around with Epstein chasing teen tail, but it got too creepy for him so he bailed. Probably only to protect his Presidential aspirations, but still. It shouldn't matter. Trump's guilt or innocence isn't the point.

The only thing that should matter to anyone paying attention is sorting out what Epstein was up to. It looks very much like an intelligence honeypot, designed to build leverage on powerful people. And as such, a serious national security breach. We need to find out who was compromised and remove them from positions of power.

But we'll never get there because the parties are fixated on gaining political advantage instead.

 

[Care4all]

If you can’t back up your bullshit, it’s bullshit.

I've done that ONE too many times, only for my links being rejected.

Did you ask for a link for the claim people like Ghislaine are transferred all the time to that Club Fed?

 

[Nostra]

I've done that ONE too many times, only for my links being rejected.

Did you ask for a link for the claim people like Ghislaine are transferred all the time to that Club Fed?

Yes you have. Too many times you post bullshit you can’t back up, liar.

 

[Care4all]

This is more or less where I've landed. But it shouldn't matter. The only thing that should matter to any sane, ethical person is sorting out what Epstein was up to. It looks very much like an intelligence honeypot, designed to build leverage on powerful people. We need to know who was compromised and remove them from positions of power.

But we'll never get there because the parties are fixated on gaining political advantage instead.

I agree!

There are bigger illicit things going on....that are being hidden....BIGLY HIDDEN....of the rich and powerful, of our Intel agencies, of the biggest sex trafficking ring in our history through model agencies, of money laundering by our big banks....Epstein's death....LOTS TO FIND OUT!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I've done that ONE too many times, only for my links being rejected.

Did you ask for a link for the claim people like Ghislaine are transferred all the time to that Club Fed?

you dont post links ever, like most of you progressives who link to democrat propaganda sites with opinion pieces that they claim are fact.

 

[dblack]

I agree!

There are bigger illicit things going on....that are being hidden....BIGLY HIDDEN....of the rich and powerful, of our Intel agencies, of the biggest sex trafficking ring in our history through model agencies, of money laundering by our big banks....Epstein's death....LOTS TO FIND OUT!

And it looks like no one is seriously investigating these things. Ds and Rs are just scrounging for embarrassing emails to smear the other side. Pathetic.

 

[Care4all]

Yes you have. Too many times you post bullshit you can’t back up, liar.

Did you ask for a link for the claim people like Ghislaine are transferred all the time to that Club Fed?

 

[Care4all]

And it looks like no one is seriously investigating these things. Ds and Rs are just scrounging for embarrassing emails to smear the other side. Pathetic.

Getting all the Epstein files is step one.....I expect the free press to do it's job, our govt, not so much! If it were not for the press, the Miami Herald dogmatic series on Epstein, he'd likely be alive and still a free man....

 

[Delldude]

What's your theory?

It's pretty cut and dried. Trump provided information to the victims investigation in their support. Kinda shoots a lot of the BS about Him in the ass from the left.

Durbin told us he found out Trump's name was being redacted from the files being released by the FBI. Left goes berserk. What he didn't tell you was the FBI unit, called the FOIA unit was following the law and releasing the files with anybody, including citizen Trump, who weren't involved in the prosecution, redacted.

Maybe quit ingesting everything your left media spews?

Here's a decent article by a journalist, Byron York. He offers some reasonable insight into the emails, read it and think about what he says.

If you don't agree, that's fine.

JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S RESENTMENT TOWARD DONALD TRUMP. There’s no doubt Jeffrey Epstein thought he was a very, very smart guy. “He always thought he was the smartest person in the room,” said one associate. Another said Epstein “thought he was smarter than the next guy.” When in 2008 Epstein pleaded guilty to procurement of a minor for prostitution, his defense asked for leniency based on his “unique intellect.”

Someone with such high self-regard can be deeply disturbed if a friend or associate, or a former friend or associate, achieves more, makes more money, and rises higher up society’s ladder than the person who feels he is the smartest guy in the room. Reading through Epstein’s emails released by Republicans on the House Oversight Committee, one gets the impression that Epstein was troubled by the success of his former friend Donald Trump, as he watched Trump take a wildly improbable path from successful developer to television star to president of the United States. At the same time, of course, Epstein was pleading guilty to sex crimes, struggling to recover, and then finding himself charged with even more serious sex crimes. Suicide in a jail cell was in his future, while Trump was in the White House.
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So when Epstein says that victim Virginia Giuffre “spent hours at my house with [Trump],” there’s no compelling reason to believe him. Giuffre, now dead, wrote a book that said no such thing about Trump and also testified under oath that Trump “didn’t partake in any sex with us … [and] never flirted with me.” Giuffre said she never saw Trump and Epstein together. She was asked, “Did you ever see Donald Trump at Jeffrey’s home?” and answered, “Not that I remember.” In addition, she said she did not remember seeing Trump at Epstein’s island, or his house in New Mexico, or his house in New York.
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Finally, one problem with reading the Epstein emails today is that Epstein was, in adviser Wolff’s words, a “notorious liar.” It is reasonable to take Epstein’s statements of opinion at face value — he appeared to really think Trump was dumb — but not his statements of fact.
____________________

So what to make of it? First, even though he was a friend of Epstein’s for several years up to around 2004, there is still no evidence linking Donald Trump to any wrongdoing. And second, Trump is nevertheless everywhere in the Epstein files because Jeffrey Epstein was out of his mind with resentment toward a former friend who not only succeeded in business but became president of the United States, even as Epstein raced toward ruin.

Jeffrey Epstein's resentment toward Donald Trump

 

[Nostra]

Did you ask for a link for the claim people like Ghislaine are transferred all the time to that Club Fed?

Quote me.

 

[dblack]

Getting all the Epstein files is step one.....I expect the free press to do it's job, our govt, not so much! If it were not for the press, the Miami Herald dogmatic series on Epstein, he'd likely be alive and still a free man....

I think there needs to be a serious, feet on the ground investigation. There's evidence out there. We're not going to get anything substantial from the "curated" files and records that survived.

 

[braalian]

The White House itself isn’t denying the validity of the emails or files or saying they’re doctored

So why are you people?

 

[Delldude]

I think there needs to be a serious, feet on the ground investigation. There's evidence out there. We're not going to get anything substantial from the "curated" files and records that survived.

I have a pretty good idea it's beyond this Mickey Mouse BS.

 

[postman]

AI Overview

The Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) does not publicly release specific data on the number of waivers granted for sex offender transfers to other prisons.
Transfer decisions are complex administrative matters based on individual circumstances, security needs, and program availability, rather than a publicly reported statistic on "waivers"

Strange how the bulk of such waivers get granted to Maxwell. From low security prison, to delivered meals, and phone

 

[Care4all]

You do have a link, correct?

Here ya go Mr. LAZY. IF you don't like the link, find your own.

And how about a link showing that it is common for 20 year sentenced convicted sex felons get BOP waivers and sent to Club Feds....I'll wait.....

Why Ghislaine Maxwell's transfer to a minimum-security prison camp stinks

Sex offenders are supposed to be ineligible for minimum-security federal prison camps, but the rule was waived for Maxwell.

reason.com

According to the BOP's publicly available policies, any offender convicted of a sex offense must be housed in at least a low-security facility unless that public safety factor has been waived.

But such a waiver would be extraordinarily unusual, and it would have to be approved by the administrator of the BOP's Designation and Sentence Computation Center.

Multiple former BOP officials say they've never seen anything like it.

Paul Gibson retired from the BOP after 36 years and is currently the chief operating officer for the Prison Education and Reform Alliance, a nonprofit group working to improve conditions in the federal prison system.

"I did a lot of classification in case management. I was a case management coordinator, camp administrator, and then associate warden," Gibson says. "During that time, I've never seen them waive a sex offense public safety factor for a transfer to a minimum-security camp."

Likewise, Vito Maraviglia, a retired federal prison special investigative agent, said in an interview with NBC News that he couldn't recall an instance in which a sex offender was moved to a prison camp in his 27 years at the BOP.

Other types of waivers are more common. Gibson says offenders sentenced to life in prison are automatically classified as high-security inmates, but if they adjust well, they're often waived down to medium security. But that only happens after ten or more years in a high-security penitentiary.

Robert Hood, a former Bureau of Prisons chief of internal affairs, said in an email to NBC News that Maxwell's transfer was a "travesty of justice."

"To relocate a sex offender serving 20 years to a country club setting is offensive to victims and others serving similar crimes," Hood wrote.

The BOP's minimum-security camps, often referred to by tabloids as "Club Fed," are as nice as it gets in federal prison. They don't have perimeter fences, and inmates are sometimes allowed outside for jobs and community service projects.

 

[postman]

The BOP's minimum-security camps, often referred to by tabloids as "Club Fed," are as nice as it gets in federal prison. They don't have perimeter fences, and inmates are sometimes allowed outside for jobs and community service projects.

I can see why they normally wouldn't allow convicted child sex traffickers.

Besides, the maximum remaining sentence allowed in federal minimum security is 10 years.
With Maxwell serving 20 years (twice the legal limit)

Well... that's another waiver.

 

[Delldude]

Here ya go Mr. LAZY. IF you don't like the link, find your own.

And how about a link showing that it is common for 20 year sentenced convicted felons get BOP waivers and sent to Club Feds....I'll wait.....

Why Ghislaine Maxwell's transfer to a minimum-security prison camp stinks

Sex offenders are supposed to be ineligible for minimum-security federal prison camps, but the rule was waived for Maxwell.

reason.com

According to the BOP's publicly available policies, any offender convicted of a sex offense must be housed in at least a low-security facility unless that public safety factor has been waived.

But such a waiver would be extraordinarily unusual, and it would have to be approved by the administrator of the BOP's Designation and Sentence Computation Center.

Multiple former BOP officials say they've never seen anything like it.

Paul Gibson retired from the BOP after 36 years and is currently the chief operating officer for the Prison Education and Reform Alliance, a nonprofit group working to improve conditions in the federal prison system.

"I did a lot of classification in case management. I was a case management coordinator, camp administrator, and then associate warden," Gibson says. "During that time, I've never seen them waive a sex offense public safety factor for a transfer to a minimum-security camp."

Likewise, Vito Maraviglia, a retired federal prison special investigative agent, said in an interview with NBC News that he couldn't recall an instance in which a sex offender was moved to a prison camp in his 27 years at the BOP.

Other types of waivers are more common. Gibson says offenders sentenced to life in prison are automatically classified as high-security inmates, but if they adjust well, they're often waived down to medium security. But that only happens after ten or more years in a high-security penitentiary.

Robert Hood, a former Bureau of Prisons chief of internal affairs, said in an email to NBC News that Maxwell's transfer was a "travesty of justice."

"To relocate a sex offender serving 20 years to a country club setting is offensive to victims and others serving similar crimes," Hood wrote.

The BOP's minimum-security camps, often referred to by tabloids as "Club Fed," are as nice as it gets in federal prison. They don't have perimeter fences, and inmates are sometimes allowed outside for jobs and community service projects.

The question is HOW MANY SEX TRAFFICKERS of MINORS were given the waiver before Maxwell?

The answer is ZERO!

Nice article, doesn't prove she was the only one ever.

Strange how the bulk of such waivers get granted to Maxwell. From low security prison, to delivered meals, and phone

You know inmates were the whistle blowers plus the staff that just got shit canned for leaking her protected emails to Raskin.

Just sayin'.

 

[Care4all]

You do have a link, correct?

It's a pdf, can't copy the text so you will have to go there....

https://go.skimresources.com/?id=1629X694351&isjs=1&jv=15.7.1&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usmessageboard.com%2Fthreads%2Fjeffrey-epstein-wrote-that-donald-j-trump-spent-hours-at-his-house-with-one-of-mr-epsteins-victims.1185437%2Fpage-40%23post-37643518&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bop.gov%2Fpolicy%2Fprogstat%2F5100_008cn.pdf&xs=1&xtz=300&xuuid=d87281ad0424522085c3e863c439c02c&xjsf=other_click__contextmenu%20%5B-1%5D

CHAPTER 5 PAGE 8
SEX OFFENDER, Male or female.
- Must be housed AT MINIMUM in at LEAST a Low Security Level Institution....which is what Maxwell was being held at, in Florida.

They are NOT ELIGIBLE to be placed in a Prison Camp, a CLUB FED....like the one in Texas....the Minimum level.

 

[Delldude]

They are NOT ELIGIBLE to be placed in a Prison Camp, a CLUB FED....like the one in Texas.

Took your previous advice and did a quick Google search:

AI Overview

Yes, other convicted sex offenders have received waivers from the Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) to transfer to different, typically lower-security, prisons.
The BOP's general policy states that inmates with a sexual misconduct conviction (who have a specific SENTRY sexual offender code or Public Safety Factor, or PSF) are ineligible for placement in a minimum-security prison camp unless the BOP grants a specific waiver.

 

[Nostra]

It's a pdf, can't copy the text so you will have to go there....

https://go.skimresources.com/?id=1629X694351&isjs=1&jv=15.7.1&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usmessageboard.com%2Fthreads%2Fjeffrey-epstein-wrote-that-donald-j-trump-spent-hours-at-his-house-with-one-of-mr-epsteins-victims.1185437%2Fpage-40%23post-37643518&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bop.gov%2Fpolicy%2Fprogstat%2F5100_008cn.pdf&xs=1&xtz=300&xuuid=d87281ad0424522085c3e863c439c02c&xjsf=other_click__contextmenu%20%5B-1%5D

CHAPTER 5 PAGE 8
SEX OFFENDER, Male or female.
- Must be housed AT MINIMUM in at LEAST a Low Security Level Institution....which is what Maxwell was being held at, in Florida.

They are NOT ELIGIBLE to be placed in a Prison Camp, a CLUB FED....like the one in Texas.

She is at a minimum security facility, stupid.

"Club Fed" is just something your handlers fed you, lemming.