JD Vance’s full speech on the fall of Europe.

Who gives a shit about what this Dutch fellow got to say?

All Europeans. Mark Rutte is a diplomatic legend.

kicked out of his own party and his sole US$ payed job is to keep Europe in NATO. In 2003, Rutte even supported the US-led invasion of Iraq. Not even to mention his self-contradicting Israel policy.

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Der Einmarsch der USA und ihrer Verbündeten 2003 in Irak war nach Ansicht eines niederländischen Untersuchungsausschusses nicht durch internationales Recht gedeckt.

»Die Rechtsgrundlage war unzureichend«, sagte der Vorsitzende des Ausschusses, Willibrord Davids, am Dienstag in Den Haag. Die 2002 verabschiedete UN-Resolution 1441 könne nicht so interpretiert werden, dass einzelne Mitgliedstaaten das Recht auf Anwendung militärischer Gewalt gehabt hätten. Dies habe die niederländische Regierung aber getan. Der Ausschuss untersucht seit März 2009 die politische Unterstützung der Regierung für den Einmarsch. Oppositionspolitiker hatten argumentiert, den niederländischen Parlamentariern seien wichtige Informationen vorenthalten worden.

Die Niederlande hatten nach dem Einmarsch der USA und Großbritanniens vom März im Juli 2003 rund 1100 Soldaten nach Irak entsandt; sie verließen das Land 2005 wieder. Der Ausschuss kam zu der Ansicht, dass der damalige und heutige Ministerpräsident Jan Peter Balkenende die Führung bei dem Thema weitestgehend dem damaligen Außenminister und späteren NATO-Generalsekretär Jaap de Hoop Scheffer überlassen habe. Der niederländische Geheimdienst hatte laut dem Ausschuss zudem keine unabhängigen Erkenntnisse zu den angeblichen Massenvernichtungswaffen des irakischen Präsidenten Saddam Hussein.
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The 2003 invasion of Iraq by the USA and its allies was not covered by international law, according to a Dutch committee of enquiry.

‘The legal basis was inadequate,’ said the chairman of the committee, Willibrord Davids, on Tuesday in The Hague. UN Resolution 1441, adopted in 2002, could not be interpreted to mean that individual member states had the right to use military force. However, the Dutch government had done so. The committee has been investigating the government's political support for the invasion since March 2009. Opposition politicians had argued that important information had been withheld from Dutch parliamentarians.

The Netherlands had sent around 1100 soldiers to Iraq in July 2003 following the invasion by the USA and Great Britain in March; they left the country again in 2005. The committee came to the conclusion that the then and current Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende had largely left the lead on the issue to the then Foreign Minister and later NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer. According to the committee, the Dutch secret service also had no independent knowledge of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's alleged weapons of mass destruction. ...

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source: Niederlande: Kritik an Einmarsch in Irak, 14.01.2010 (Friedensratschlag)
 
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Inform yourselve before you say so. Mark Rutte - now Gen.-Sec. of the NATO - is one of the best European politicians. An excellent diplomat.

But could be you speak about Jaap de Hoop Scheffer. This was in another time of history.

And quotes have the same problem like pictures. It always needs a concrete context to know what it means. And sometimes quotes and pictures are just simply wrong. For example the weapons of mass-disappearence in the Iraq.
 
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If your not existing grandfather said so to you then he was an absurde idiot.

Actually, what I've found in Germans is a significant denial of their history. You like to try to pretend the World Wars didn't happen so you can't face up to the awful shit your forebears did.

Germany made so many foul-ups in WWI, from writing the Hapsburgs a blank check with Serbia to engaging in unrestricted submarine warfare, which turned the rest of the world against them.
 
Actually, what I've found in Germans is a significant denial of their history. You like to try to pretend the World Wars didn't happen so you can't face up to the awful shit your forebears did.

Germany made so many foul-ups in WWI, from writing the Hapsburgs a blank check with Serbia to engaging in unrestricted submarine warfare, which turned the rest of the world against them.

What for heavens sake learn US-Americans in school? Nothing or less than nothing? I would need some time to explain to you what you said here on your own. But you are an US-American who has time for nothing what makes sense and time for anything what makes no sense. So I will tell you only the result of your own words if you would think about: Your ally Russia started world war 1.
 
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What for heavens sake learn US-Americans in school? Nothing or less than nothing? I would need some time to explain to you what you said here on your own. But you are an US-American who has time for nothing what makes sense and time for anything what makes no sense. So I will tell you only the result of your own words if you would think about: Your ally Russia started world war 1.

No, the war was started when the Germans, instead of restraining the Hapsburgs, wrote them a blank check even knowing that they were militarily incompetent.

They knew damned well if Austria-Hungary attacked Serbia, Russia would attack Austria Hungary, and that would bring France into the war as well.

This is the point where you send out the diplomats, not the generals. But the Kaiser, inbred idiot that he was, just let Hindenberg and Ludendorf run the country for him, with disastrous results.
 
No, the war was started when the Germans, instead of restraining the Hapsburgs,

The House of Habsburg - why write all stupid US-Americans always "Hapsburg"? What is the problem to use a correct "b" instead of an incorrect "p"? ... Again: The House of Habsburg is one of the most important noble houses of whole Europe. The multi-national empire Austria-Hungaria - better known in Germany under the expression "K&K monarchy" - was founded because the house of Habsburg - for a long time, the House of Habsburg also provided the German Emperor - was not able to defend the Holy Empire (=Germany) against the very modern and grand army of Napoleon Bonaparte. This and the senseless wars of the [in origin Polish] kingdom Prussia against Austria broke Germany in two parts.

The so called German emperor - indeed no German emperor but a Prussian emperor over Germany ... how to say this now? ... very short: ... had to support Austria-Hungaria. There was no other way. And there was also no other way for the House of Habsburg to declare war on Serbia - because without any doubt a gang of Serbian criminals had murdered the heir of the Austrian throne and his lovely and wonderful wife Sophie - what had been a totally unimaginable barbaric political crime. Austria-Hungaria had to do war on Serbia - there was no other way - for to restore the honour of Austria-Hungary. Don't laugh now. Same is doing the USA continuously. On very good reason in your war on Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden.

So what had really happened now in this situation? Austria-Hungaria had sent an army to Serbia. The Serbs had capitulated. The honor of Austria-Hungaria had been restored. They had searched together with the Serbs the murderers and had excuted them. Problem solved.
I guess the most Serbs had afterwards preferrred to be member of the Austrian-Hungarian empire without to lose their idetity. No nation in the Austrian Hungarian empire had been suppressed. Or any other "international" (=European) solution had been found in a diplomatic way. End of the conflict.

But what had happened now? The nations which was doing a genocide on the Slaws in their part of Poland - Russia - declared suddenly to be the protective power of all Slaws in Europe and started a war - and not only a kind of opera war as Austria-Hungaria had done. World war 1+2 started. The end of World War 1+2 will be that more than 50% of the planet will be under influence of the Russian Soviets. And the Slavic brother states learned to know the brutally destructive protection of the Russians. At the moment, the nation is learning about the protection of the Russians, who are the ancestors of all Slavs. In concrete terms: Russia is not even so shy as to slaughter its own parents and want to declare this as ‘liberation’. And who is again helping to exacerbate this Russian global conflict and wanting to use it for a common cause? The USA under the brainchild of Donald Trump. The USA calls the nonsense she is doing currently "peace negotiations " against Europe and against the Ukraine together with Russia. You guys are so pathetic it makes you want to puke.


wrote them a blank check even knowing that they were militarily incompetent.

They knew damned well if Austria-Hungary attacked Serbia, Russia would attack Austria Hungary, and that would bring France into the war as well.

This is the point where you send out the diplomats, not the generals. But the Kaiser, inbred idiot that he was, just let Hindenberg and Ludendorf run the country for him, with disastrous results.

You have absolutelly not any idea about real history, absurde idiot. We Germans know what means peace. The USA is continuously in genocides and wars since existing.
 
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No, the war was started when the Germans, instead of restraining the Hapsburgs, wrote them a blank check even knowing that they were militarily incompetent.

They knew damned well if Austria-Hungary attacked Serbia, Russia would attack Austria Hungary, and that would bring France into the war as well.

This is the point where you send out the diplomats, not the generals. But the Kaiser, inbred idiot that he was, just let Hindenberg and Ludendorf run the country for him, with disastrous results.


Serios question: Why did you try to tell me lies about your German grandfather? Because he never existed or because you never knew him? Why do you repeat stupid war propaganda which is more than hundred years old? Brainwash? We are living in the third millenium, 24/7 full time superidiot. Not in the German Kaiserreich and not in the nice Austrian-Hungarian empire, the most charming empire which ever had existed on our planet.

 
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The House of Habsburg - why write all stupid US-Americans always "Hapsburg"? What is the problem to use a correct "b" instead of an incorrect "p"? ... Again: The House of Habsburg is one of the most important noble houses of whole Europe. The multi-national empire Austria-Hungaria - better known in Germany under the expression "K&K monarchy" - was founded because the house of Habsburg - for a long time, the House of Habsburg also provided the German Emperor - was not able to defend the Holy Empire (=Germany) against the very modern and grand army of Napoleon Bonaparte. This and the senseless wars of the [in origin Polish] kingdom Prussia against Austria broke Germany in two parts.

Hapsburg is the American translation. Yes, they were an important family of inbred idiots, but by 1914, they were kind of done as a major power. A minister after touring Austria-Hungary announced to the Kaiser, "We are allied to a corpse!"

The so called German emperor - indeed no German emperor but a Prussian emperor over Germany ... how to say this now? ... very short: ... had to support Austria-Hungaria. There was no other way. And there was also no other way for the House of Habsburg to declare war on Serbia - because without any doubt a gang of Serbian criminals had murdered the heir of the Austrian throne and his lovely and wonderful wife Sophie - what had been a totally unimaginable barbaric political crime. Austria-Hungaria had to do war on Serbia - there was no other way - for to restore the honour of Austria-Hungary. Don't laugh now. Same is doing the USA continuously. On very good reason in your war on Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden.

No, they didn't have to do a war on Serbia, they had all the assassins in custody. They never got out of Bosnia (which the Hapsburgs were illegally occupying, BTW). They saw it as a pretext to invade, but they had been told by the Russians not to, and they should have shown the common sense to not escalate it further.

Since you want to compare to Afghanistan, the entire UN voted to get Bin Laden. We had broad international support, at least in the beginning. Germany and Austria-Hungary went rogue, and escalated a petty assassination into a world war that killed 35 million people.

So what had really happened now in this situation? Austria-Hungaria had sent an army to Serbia. The Serbs had capitulated. The honor of Austria-Hungaria had been restored. They had searched together with the Serbs the murderers and had excuted them. Problem solved.
I guess the most Serbs had afterwards preferrred to be member of the Austrian-Hungarian empire without to lose their idetity. No nation in the Austrian Hungarian empire had been suppressed. Or any other "international" (=European) solution had been found in a diplomatic way. End of the conflict.

Thats not really true, either. The primary assassin, Gavrilo Princip, died in a prison in Bohemia. The main organizer of the assassination, Milan Ciganovic, lived until 1927, after the Serbian Government sent him to the US for his own safety.

By 1918, the Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenians, Croatians, and even the Hungarians were in full revolt, and most of the fighting on the Eastern and Italian fronts were being done by Germans, who had "Allied themselves to a Corpse".


But what had happened now? The nations which was doing a genocide on the Slaws in their part of Poland - Russia - declared suddenly to be the protective power of all Slaws in Europe and started a war - and not only a kind of opera war as Austria-Hungaria had done. World war 1+2 started. The end of World War 1+2 will be that more than 50% of the planet will be under influence of the Russian Soviets. And the Slavic brother states learned to know the brutally destructive protection of the Russians. At the moment, the nation is learning about the protection of the Russians, who are the ancestors of all Slavs. In concrete terms: Russia is not even so shy as to slaughter its own parents and want to declare this as ‘liberation’. And who is again helping to exacerbate this Russian global conflict and wanting to use it for a common cause? The USA under the brainchild of Donald Trump. The USA calls the nonsense she is doing currently "peace negotiations " against Europe and against the Ukraine together with Russia. You guys are so pathetic it makes you want to puke.

Yes, we get it man, Germany completely screwed up starting two world wars. You need to start apologizing.

You have absolutelly not any idea about real history, absurde idiot. We Germans know what means peace. The USA is continuously in genocides and wars since existing.

Well, I have a history degree. But unlike Germany, America is kind of proud of our history.

Serios question: Why did you try to tell me lies about your German grandfather? Because he never existed or because you never knew him? Why do you repeat stupid war propaganda which is more than hundred years old? Brainwash? We are living in the third millenium, 24/7 full time superidiot. Not in the German Kaiserreich and not in the nice Austrian-Hungarian empire, the most charming empire which ever had existed on our planet.

My grandfather died when I was 8, so I have to mostly go by the word of my father and Aunt about what his thoughts on the war were. (My dad fought for the US Army in WW2, and little Joey was confused that Grandpa and Daddy were shooting at each other, not quite realizing they were separate wars.)

My Grandfather came from a little town called Oberlahnstein.

Sure, the Kaisereichs were spendid for the rich and the nobility, but the reality was that after four years of war, the various nationalities of the Hapsburg Empire threw them out, and the Kaiser's only people revolted against him.

So I guess it wasn't so "Charming".
 
Hapsburg is the American translation.

Tanslation? Of an easy writeable and speakable name? "Arrogance - you have wooden shoes as loud as I hear you galumph" Never heard from your not existing German grandfather this German saying?


Yes, they were an important family of inbred idiots, ...

End of discussion. "Discuss" with other idiots - but not with me. Do not forget to bring all of your soldiers home to the USA. Close all borders and make a wall around your country. Then live in peace and prosperity there in your most happy country of the world.
Sleep well.

 
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My Grandfather came from a little town called Oberlahnstein.

So he had been a Chatte. I guess you hear this the first time in your life and you have absolutelly not any light idea about how to speak out this word nor what this means, allknowing intellectual dwarf.
 
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Tanslation? Of an easy writeable andfspeakable name? "Arrogance - you have wooden shoes as loud as I hear you galumph" Never heard from your not existing German grandfather this German saying?

You are babbling. The point is that many German words are translated with spellings that match their pronunciations.

My dad's birth name was Rudolf, but he spelled it "Rudolph" most of his life.

My grandfather's name was Ludwig, but he went by "Louis" after coming here. He also changed the name he pronounced the family name.



End of discussion. "Discuss" with other idiots - but not with me. Do not forget to bring all of your soldiers home to the USA. Close all borders and make a wall around your coutry. Then live in peace and prosperity there in your most happy country of the world.
Sleep well.

if you people didn't rely on us to protect you, it wouldn't be an issue.

As much as I despise Trump, he kind of has a point. We shouldn't be spending more to defend Europe than Europe does.

But the Hapsburgs were SERIOUSLY inbred.
 
JoeB131 you are on my ignore list

Chatte means in Latin Chatti or Catti and in ancient Greek Χάττοι, Χάττα. That's the name of his indigen German tribe. He's a "Chatte" from the tribe "die Chatten".
 
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