Japan ignored the usual rules but contained COVID-19. How did it work?

[shockedcanadian]

Nobody knows for sure but it seems that it was a combination of factors.

One reason I am always skeptical of healthcare experts advice for large populations, it's usually the loudest voice that wins, not necessarily the sharpest.

Japan ignored the usual rules but contained COVID-19. How did it work?

Japan’s state of emergency is set to end with new cases of the coronavirus dwindling to mere dozens. It got there despite largely ignoring the default playbook.

No restrictions were placed on residents’ movements, and businesses from restaurants to hairdressers stayed open. No high-tech apps that tracked people’s movements were deployed. The country doesn’t have a centre for disease control. And even as nations were exhorted to “test, test, test,” Japan has tested just 0.2 per cent of its population — one of the lowest rates among developed countries.

Yet the curve has been flattened, with deaths well below 1,000, by far the fewest among the Group of Seven developed nations. In Tokyo, its dense centre, cases have dropped to single digits on most days. While the possibility of a more severe second wave of infection is ever-present, Japan has entered and is set to leave its emergency in just weeks, with the status lifted already for most of the country and Tokyo and the remaining four other regions set to exit Monday.

 

[MaryL]

They don't share borders and they certainly don't share this weird white /guilt European liberal mentality of co-opting their culture as some kind of pay back for past crimes. Hiroshima, Nagasaki or Fukashima, it gets weird.

 

[Polishprince]

They don't share borders and they certainly don't share this weird white /guilt European liberal mentality of co-opting their culture as some kind of pay back for past crimes. Hiroshima, Nagasaki or Fukashima, it gets weird.

New York City is an island too. Both NYC and Japan are very crowded.

My thought on the matter is that this COVID is more transmitted and spread through plumbing and/or HVAC system. This would explain how some nursing homes got slammed others didn't. And NYC with huge numbers of multiunit structures got hit.

 

[shockedcanadian]

They don't share borders and they certainly don't share this weird white /guilt European liberal mentality of co-opting their culture as some kind of pay back for past crimes. Hiroshima, Nagasaki or Fukashima, it gets weird.

New York City is an island too. Both NYC and Japan are very crowded.

My thought on the matter is that this COVID is more transmitted and spread through plumbing and/or HVAC system. This would explain how some nursing homes got slammed others didn't. And NYC with huge numbers of multiunit structures got hit.

Interesting ideas I suppose. I haven't thought too much about it, hopefully many studies will be done and future city planning will take everything into consideration.

I do know this, a one-size-fits-all doesn't work in places where some are hardly hit and some are hit hard. I can only imagine how much damage it has done to the economy of Ontario and Toronto for decades to come. It's going to be like nothing we've seen in our history, of this I am certain.

So many here are convinced remaining sheltered for another two years is the answer. They've been programmed to be cautious and let the state take care of them. It's astonishing to me that God figured that putting me in Canada was the good fit, I've prayed for an understanding "why" from the Lord, I keep waiting for the response...

 

[MaryL]

I love Japanese culture. The rape of Nanjing or say unit 731, nice culture. The Japanese where worse than the NAZIS comparatively.

 

[MaryL]

I love Japanese culture. The rape of Nanjing or say Section 731, you lost me. The Japanese where worse than the NAZIS comparatively.

 

[Shelzin]

They don't share borders and they certainly don't share this weird white /guilt European liberal mentality of co-opting their culture as some kind of pay back for past crimes. Hiroshima, Nagasaki or Fukashima, it gets weird.

New York City is an island too. Both NYC and Japan are very crowded.

My thought on the matter is that this COVID is more transmitted and spread through plumbing and/or HVAC system. This would explain how some nursing homes got slammed others didn't. And NYC with huge numbers of multiunit structures got hit.

Nah... They just treated it like it was like any other flu... It kills people. Mainly old people, but there are people who just for whatever reason aren't able to fight it. The rest of us sneeze a couple times, get a cough/runny nose... And move on with life because it didn't kill us.

I think the main reason why there aren't that many tests out there available to people is because most of us have already had it.

Full disclosure: I've been working this whole time. I've been working overtime pretty much this whole time. The company I work for is damn near out of things to sell, and parts to build the things they sell. I don't know anyone that has died from Covid, I don't know anyone that was even sick from it.

If there is a God, he fuck'n loves me.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Nobody knows for sure but it seems that it was a combination of factors.

One reason I am always skeptical of healthcare experts advice for large populations, it's usually the loudest voice that wins, not necessarily the sharpest.

Japan ignored the usual rules but contained COVID-19. How did it work?

Japan’s state of emergency is set to end with new cases of the coronavirus dwindling to mere dozens. It got there despite largely ignoring the default playbook.

No restrictions were placed on residents’ movements, and businesses from restaurants to hairdressers stayed open. No high-tech apps that tracked people’s movements were deployed. The country doesn’t have a centre for disease control. And even as nations were exhorted to “test, test, test,” Japan has tested just 0.2 per cent of its population — one of the lowest rates among developed countries.

Yet the curve has been flattened, with deaths well below 1,000, by far the fewest among the Group of Seven developed nations. In Tokyo, its dense centre, cases have dropped to single digits on most days. While the possibility of a more severe second wave of infection is ever-present, Japan has entered and is set to leave its emergency in just weeks, with the status lifted already for most of the country and Tokyo and the remaining four other regions set to exit Monday.

They didn't purposely infect thier elders?

Washington state nursing homes was the test run

 

[Polishprince]

I love Japanese culture. The rape of Nanjing or say unit 731, nice culture. The Japanese where worse than the NAZIS comparatively.

The Japanese really love fish. Thinking out loud, I wonder if the fatty omega acids provide any coverage for them as far as the Kung Flu?

 

[MaryL]

Japanese don't have sanctuary cities, either. Where do we go with that?

 

[mudwhistle]

They don't share borders and they certainly don't share this weird white /guilt European liberal mentality of co-opting their culture as some kind of pay back for past crimes. Hiroshima, Nagasaki or Fukashima, it gets weird.

New York City is an island too. Both NYC and Japan are very crowded.

My thought on the matter is that this COVID is more transmitted and spread through plumbing and/or HVAC system. This would explain how some nursing homes got slammed others didn't. And NYC with huge numbers of multiunit structures got hit.

The Japanese are packed together like sardines....so they should have been hit harder......but I think the primary reason they didn't get hit so hard was because they have tougher immigration laws and human-trafficking laws.

 

[Asclepias]

Nobody knows for sure but it seems that it was a combination of factors.

One reason I am always skeptical of healthcare experts advice for large populations, it's usually the loudest voice that wins, not necessarily the sharpest.

Japan ignored the usual rules but contained COVID-19. How did it work?

Japan’s state of emergency is set to end with new cases of the coronavirus dwindling to mere dozens. It got there despite largely ignoring the default playbook.

No restrictions were placed on residents’ movements, and businesses from restaurants to hairdressers stayed open. No high-tech apps that tracked people’s movements were deployed. The country doesn’t have a centre for disease control. And even as nations were exhorted to “test, test, test,” Japan has tested just 0.2 per cent of its population — one of the lowest rates among developed countries.

Yet the curve has been flattened, with deaths well below 1,000, by far the fewest among the Group of Seven developed nations. In Tokyo, its dense centre, cases have dropped to single digits on most days. While the possibility of a more severe second wave of infection is ever-present, Japan has entered and is set to leave its emergency in just weeks, with the status lifted already for most of the country and Tokyo and the remaining four other regions set to exit Monday.

Probably because they are healthier than most other countries.

 

[MarathonMike]

Nobody knows for sure but it seems that it was a combination of factors.

One reason I am always skeptical of healthcare experts advice for large populations, it's usually the loudest voice that wins, not necessarily the sharpest.

Japan ignored the usual rules but contained COVID-19. How did it work?

Japan’s state of emergency is set to end with new cases of the coronavirus dwindling to mere dozens. It got there despite largely ignoring the default playbook.

No restrictions were placed on residents’ movements, and businesses from restaurants to hairdressers stayed open. No high-tech apps that tracked people’s movements were deployed. The country doesn’t have a centre for disease control. And even as nations were exhorted to “test, test, test,” Japan has tested just 0.2 per cent of its population — one of the lowest rates among developed countries.

Yet the curve has been flattened, with deaths well below 1,000, by far the fewest among the Group of Seven developed nations. In Tokyo, its dense centre, cases have dropped to single digits on most days. While the possibility of a more severe second wave of infection is ever-present, Japan has entered and is set to leave its emergency in just weeks, with the status lifted already for most of the country and Tokyo and the remaining four other regions set to exit Monday.

It is critically important that we find out why a country like Japan with such high population density did so well against this virus while New York, Italy, UK, Spain and Belgium did so poorly. There is too much at stake for coverups and egos to factor in.

 

[ABikerSailor]

They don't share borders and they certainly don't share this weird white /guilt European liberal mentality of co-opting their culture as some kind of pay back for past crimes. Hiroshima, Nagasaki or Fukashima, it gets weird.

New York City is an island too. Both NYC and Japan are very crowded.

My thought on the matter is that this COVID is more transmitted and spread through plumbing and/or HVAC system. This would explain how some nursing homes got slammed others didn't. And NYC with huge numbers of multiunit structures got hit.

You know, that is one of the things that I thought, especially since that cruise ships were hit so hard and they all have a central air system. Interestingly enough, so do Navy ships, which is why I thought of that when they said they had cases, and then said they had a reinfection on the THEODORE ROOSEVELT.

Not only that, but at first they thought the virus was transmitted by touching things, which is why they told us at first to disinfect everything with wipes, but now we find out it is mostly airborne, which is why they are telling us to wear masks.

I also thought about something else..............................a few years back, I saw a documentary that said because we are getting better with cleaning solutions and making things sanitary, our abilities with our immune systems is going down, because they don't have to fight bacteria and viruses as much. Interestingly enough, assisted living facilities keep a lot of things cleaner than most other places, meaning that because their immune systems didn't have to fight, they got weakened in the process.

Me? I practice social distancing, and when I have to go out, I make a list of what I need, go out and get what is on the list, then come home immediately afterwards. I don't shake hands anymore, nor do I hug people that I don't live with. I also wear a mask, and when I come home, I wash my hands.

And why do I wear a mask? Because it is more easily transmitted via the air than it is on surfaces.

 

[Unkotare]

Nobody knows for sure but it seems that it was a combination of factors.

One reason I am always skeptical of healthcare experts advice for large populations, it's usually the loudest voice that wins, not necessarily the sharpest.

Japan ignored the usual rules but contained COVID-19. How did it work?

Japan’s state of emergency is set to end with new cases of the coronavirus dwindling to mere dozens. It got there despite largely ignoring the default playbook.

No restrictions were placed on residents’ movements, and businesses from restaurants to hairdressers stayed open. No high-tech apps that tracked people’s movements were deployed. The country doesn’t have a centre for disease control. And even as nations were exhorted to “test, test, test,” Japan has tested just 0.2 per cent of its population — one of the lowest rates among developed countries.

Yet the curve has been flattened, with deaths well below 1,000, by far the fewest among the Group of Seven developed nations. In Tokyo, its dense centre, cases have dropped to single digits on most days. While the possibility of a more severe second wave of infection is ever-present, Japan has entered and is set to leave its emergency in just weeks, with the status lifted already for most of the country and Tokyo and the remaining four other regions set to exit Monday.

Tokyo and other major cities were under stay at home orders for a time, and most people followed advice to stay home anyway when they weren't. People socially distanced and wore masks, and no one does any of that European slobbering greeting even in normal times.

 

[Unkotare]

Japanese don't have sanctuary cities, either. Where do we go with that?

Really? Every fucking thread is about that ONE single thought you EVER have?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Being that I have family and friends who live in Japan, I have paid attention to their response to the virus.

If you state that they did not implement social distancing in Japan or take drastic measures to which adversely impacted commerce in an effort to flatten the curve, you are misinformed or you are lying.

They did it quickly and effectively and they didn’t have half the nation whining about it and putting everyone at increased risk by refusing to wear masks and by holding coronavirus parties.

You fucking morons.

 

[martybegan]

Nobody knows for sure but it seems that it was a combination of factors.

One reason I am always skeptical of healthcare experts advice for large populations, it's usually the loudest voice that wins, not necessarily the sharpest.

Japan ignored the usual rules but contained COVID-19. How did it work?

Japan’s state of emergency is set to end with new cases of the coronavirus dwindling to mere dozens. It got there despite largely ignoring the default playbook.

No restrictions were placed on residents’ movements, and businesses from restaurants to hairdressers stayed open. No high-tech apps that tracked people’s movements were deployed. The country doesn’t have a centre for disease control. And even as nations were exhorted to “test, test, test,” Japan has tested just 0.2 per cent of its population — one of the lowest rates among developed countries.

Yet the curve has been flattened, with deaths well below 1,000, by far the fewest among the Group of Seven developed nations. In Tokyo, its dense centre, cases have dropped to single digits on most days. While the possibility of a more severe second wave of infection is ever-present, Japan has entered and is set to leave its emergency in just weeks, with the status lifted already for most of the country and Tokyo and the remaining four other regions set to exit Monday.

1. An already regimented society that takes "suggestions" as orders without asking
2. A strong culture of shame, where sick people would rather die at home than expose others and be responsible for said exposure
3. People who already are probably a bit germaphobic, thus ready for an increase in PPE and use of sanitizers.
4. A homogenous population, and a country who's visitors are high end tourists and executives/professionals coming over for work or business.
5. High levels of technology, allowing easier work from home, and work ethic that discourages taking advantage of it.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Nobody knows for sure but it seems that it was a combination of factors.

One reason I am always skeptical of healthcare experts advice for large populations, it's usually the loudest voice that wins, not necessarily the sharpest.

Japan ignored the usual rules but contained COVID-19. How did it work?

Japan’s state of emergency is set to end with new cases of the coronavirus dwindling to mere dozens. It got there despite largely ignoring the default playbook.

No restrictions were placed on residents’ movements, and businesses from restaurants to hairdressers stayed open. No high-tech apps that tracked people’s movements were deployed. The country doesn’t have a centre for disease control. And even as nations were exhorted to “test, test, test,” Japan has tested just 0.2 per cent of its population — one of the lowest rates among developed countries.

Yet the curve has been flattened, with deaths well below 1,000, by far the fewest among the Group of Seven developed nations. In Tokyo, its dense centre, cases have dropped to single digits on most days. While the possibility of a more severe second wave of infection is ever-present, Japan has entered and is set to leave its emergency in just weeks, with the status lifted already for most of the country and Tokyo and the remaining four other regions set to exit Monday.

1. An already regimented society that takes "suggestions" as orders without asking
2. A strong culture of shame, where sick people would rather die at home than expose others and be responsible for said exposure
3. People who already are probably a bit germaphobic, thus ready for an increase in PPE and use of sanitizers.
4. A homogenous population, and a country who's visitors are high end tourists and executives/professionals coming over for work or business.
5. High levels of technology, allowing easier work from home, and work ethic that discourages taking advantage of it.

Number 4 is bullshit.

 

[martybegan]

Nobody knows for sure but it seems that it was a combination of factors.

One reason I am always skeptical of healthcare experts advice for large populations, it's usually the loudest voice that wins, not necessarily the sharpest.

Japan ignored the usual rules but contained COVID-19. How did it work?

Japan’s state of emergency is set to end with new cases of the coronavirus dwindling to mere dozens. It got there despite largely ignoring the default playbook.

No restrictions were placed on residents’ movements, and businesses from restaurants to hairdressers stayed open. No high-tech apps that tracked people’s movements were deployed. The country doesn’t have a centre for disease control. And even as nations were exhorted to “test, test, test,” Japan has tested just 0.2 per cent of its population — one of the lowest rates among developed countries.

Yet the curve has been flattened, with deaths well below 1,000, by far the fewest among the Group of Seven developed nations. In Tokyo, its dense centre, cases have dropped to single digits on most days. While the possibility of a more severe second wave of infection is ever-present, Japan has entered and is set to leave its emergency in just weeks, with the status lifted already for most of the country and Tokyo and the remaining four other regions set to exit Monday.

1. An already regimented society that takes "suggestions" as orders without asking
2. A strong culture of shame, where sick people would rather die at home than expose others and be responsible for said exposure
3. People who already are probably a bit germaphobic, thus ready for an increase in PPE and use of sanitizers.
4. A homogenous population, and a country who's visitors are high end tourists and executives/professionals coming over for work or business.
5. High levels of technology, allowing easier work from home, and work ethic that discourages taking advantage of it.

Number 4 is bullshit.

How so? They are easily able to shut down entry, and those entering probably do things that can be done remotely.