January 6 Committee…what a joke!

[Delldude]

Probable cause? Such as, "If Melania tries to stop you from rifling through her underwear drawer, then shoot her."

Probably.....

 

[Delldude]

Nothing indicates they’re related.

Except they're all about the same topic.

Several sources vary in their level of hackery, but all the sources are far right wing and are pretty low information

The sources are all FOIA government documentation.

 

[Marener]

Except they're all about the same topic.

According to who?

The sources are all FOIA government documentation.

The source you’re using doesn’t say Biden is being briefed on the search warrant, which wouldn’t make any sense since it’s from before the investigation really even started.

 

[Delldude]

According to who?

Maybe you should do some reading?

The source you’re using doesn’t say Biden is being briefed on the search warrant, which wouldn’t make any sense since it’s from before the investigation really even started.

It specifically says he's to be briefed on the event, render a decision and then coordinate with the other department's involved.

Furthermore the FOIA documents also reveal possible concerns over FPOTUS claiming privilege on the documents to be seized in the raid and have to consult Biden on whether or not he would grant privilege, then the documents show Biden deferred that to counsel making the decision.

Biden discussed privilege with counsel on that only months before the raid is the smoking gun that he knew what was going to happen.

 

[Marener]

Maybe you should do some reading?

I’ve read extensively and that’s how I know you’re fabricating a connection that doesn’t exist.

It specifically says he's to be briefed on the event, render a decision and then coordinate with the other department's involved.

You’re assuming “the event” refer to a search of Mar a Lago, which is nonsensical.

Furthermore the FOIA documents also reveal possible concerns over FPOTUS claiming privilege on the documents to be seized in the raid and have to consult Biden on whether or not he would grant privilege, then the documents show Biden deferred that to counsel making the decision.

Incorrect. There was no concern about privilege over documents seized in the raid. The issue of privilege was handled before the investigation really began in April, which Biden was involved in since the president has the authority to waive privilege (which he delegated to the legal counsel of NARA, further indicating his lack of involvement).

When it came time for the search warrant and seizure of documents in August, the privilege issue was already resolved.

Biden discussed privilege with counsel on that only months before the raid is the smoking gun that he knew what was going to happen.

Not at all. There’s no connection.

 

[Delldude]

You’re assuming “the event” refer to a search of Mar a Lago, which is nonsensical.

The series of memo's and emails show the work of the departments involved preparing the legal avenues for return of the documents. When it's finally decided that a SW is going to be needed, Biden needs to be briefed and make a decision to proceed further or not. Quite easy to see.

The issue of privilege was handled before the investigation really began in April, which Biden was involved in since the president has the authority to waive privilege (which he delegated to the legal counsel of NARA, further indicating his lack of involvement).

You missed the part where privilege was denied in three separate unrelated instances.

Not at all. There’s no connection.

There is absolutely no way an historic and precedent setting search of a FPOTUS and current candidates home went down without the presidents ok.

You're living in an alternate universe if you think differently.

 

[Marener]

The series of memo's and emails show the work of the departments involved preparing the legal avenues for return of the documents. When it's finally decided that a SW is going to be needed, Biden needs to be briefed and make a decision to proceed further or not. Quite easy to see.

Not if you’re actually looking at the documents provided (cherry picked is probably more apt).

One memo from August talks about options for getting the documents back, but doesn’t say anything about a decision from Biden.

One memo from May talks about getting approval from Biden but doesn’t mention a search warrant or anything like that.

Other than appearing together in the same story from right wing media, there’s no indication the second memo has anything to do with the search warrant, and it wouldn’t make sense given May comes well before August.

You missed the part where privilege was denied in three separate unrelated instances.

Not sure what you’re referring to exactly. What three separate unrelated instances? The counsel for NARA laid out the legal principles when they wrote a letter to Trump’s lawyer explaining why they’re choosing to override Trump’s claim of privilege. In May.

There is absolutely no way an historic and precedent setting search of a FPOTUS and current candidates home went down without the presidents ok.

There’s also no precedent to ask POTUS to authorizing searching FPOTUS home. This doesn’t get you anywhere.

You're living in an alternate universe if you think differently.

You’re making shit up.

 

[Delldude]

One memo from May talks about getting approval from Biden but doesn’t mention a search warrant or anything like that.

I never indicated a SW having anything to do with this. The only thing I pointed out was there were internal concerns over having probable cause for the raid, which is directly mentioned in the FOIA documents and which you vehemently denied existed.

So now you acknowledge Biden was copied in on the up and coming raid.

You wheels are spinning.

There’s also no precedent to ask POTUS to authorizing searching FPOTUS home. This doesn’t get you anywhere.

I never said there was.

 

[Marener]

I never indicated a SW having anything to do with this. The only thing I pointed out was there was internal concerns over having probable cause for the raid, which is directly mentioned in the FOIA documents and which you vehemently denied existed.

I never denied the existence of a document where the FBI was concerned about probable cause. It’s just that the document has nothing to do with Biden.

The search warrant and raid are the same thing.

So now you acknowledge Biden was copied in on the up and coming raid.

Never said any such thing. You’re lying again.

You wheels are spinning.

Not at all. You’re not being honest or consistent.

I never said there was.

Then don’t pretend as though the lack of precedent means anything. It’s irrelevant.

 

[markef]

Jack Smith had nothing to do with the search warrant.

Trump is currently president so has access to all classified material in the government. The fact that the documents were returned is meaningless. We probably will need another search warrant to get them back when he leaves office. Hopefully he won’t be keeping them in an unsecured broom closet again.

Jack Smith was an illegitimate prosecutor who was exposed and fired once Trump was elected and shined the light on the whole crooked democrat scheme.

 

[Marener]

Jack Smith was an illegitimate prosecutor who was exposed and fired once Trump was elected and shined the light on the whole crooked democrat scheme.

Again, Jack Smith had nothing to do with the search warrant.

The prosecution of Trump was necessary because he chose to break the law.

 

[markef]

Putting aside the contradiction in your posts (you know what they say about people having a hard time keeping track of their lies) the NARA requested any and all records in trump's possession that he was required by law to return to it. All records covered under the Presidential Records Act.

trump failed to comply with the request. The NARA became aware of the failure and asked for the DoJ's help in getting the records. A subpoena was issued for their return. Once again, trump failed to return all the records including those with classified markings. Consequently, a legal warrant was issued to search MAL, largely over concern that classified docs were not securely stored, but also because trump was in violation of the law. Not only for taking the classified docs but for failing to comply with a subpoena.

Some Trump-hating leftist democrat schemer told NARA that Trump still had records. That hearsay evidence was not the same thing as NARA claiming it knew for a fact that Trump was keeping records it had specifically requested that he refused to return.

 

[berg80]

Jack Smith was an illegitimate prosecutor who was exposed and fired once Trump was elected and shined the light on the whole crooked democrat scheme.

See post #678.

 

[berg80]

Some Trump-hating leftist democrat schemer told NARA that Trump still had records.

Your proof?

 

[markef]

Do you see how your irrational, rabid hatred for those who tried to bring trump to justice undercuts any pretense to credibility you have? It clouds your ability to see the facts for what they are.

What needed to be done? Was Trump keeping records that he had not declassified and legitimately had in his possession? Maybe. Did Biden think he needed to conduct a search of Trump's home to see if he had any records he had not declassified? Why did Biden think that? What about the classified documents Biden took that he had no right to declassify?

 

[markef]

What the **** are you talking about? BTW, the matter of Smith's legitimacy as a SC was never fully adjudicated after trump's sock puppet, Aileen Cannon, made yet another ruling in his favor. Two previous rulings she made in an overt display of loyalty having been overturned by the 11th circuit court of appeals.

Are you claiming federal judges can be highly partisan and corrupt? Jack Smith was illegitimately appointed and never sworn in because of his illegitimacy, which is a matter of public record.

 

[markef]

You seem to not see the difference.

Biden’s attorneys notified the government of the existence of those docs and worked with them to return ALL of them

No warrant was needed

Trump did the opposite. He stonewalled for nearly a year and lied about and hid some of the docs


As far as “shoot to kill” hyperbole… all warrants are issued in that manner to defend those executing the warrant

Biden illegally took classified documents and stored them in an unsecured location accessible by Chinese spies. How does Biden's later supposed cooperation relieve him of criminal charges?

 

[Marener]

What needed to be done? Was Trump keeping records that he had not declassified and legitimately had in his possession? Maybe. Did Biden think he needed to conduct a search of Trump's home to see if he had any records he had not declassified? Why did Biden think that? What about the classified documents Biden took that he had no right to declassify?

Raiding Mar a Lago to seize any documents which were marked classified, even if Trump had declassified them and not told anyone, was necessary to protect national security.

 

[berg80]

Was Trump keeping records that he had not declassified

Unequivocally, yes. Records he refused to return even after a subpoena was issued for them.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump asked a staffer to delete camera footage at his Florida estate in an effort to obstruct the federal investigation into his possession of classified documents, according to an updated indictment unsealed Thursday that adds new charges against the former president and names an additional defendant.

The indictment includes new counts of obstruction and willful retention of national defense information, compounding Trump's legal jeopardy even as he braces for a possible additional indictment in Washington over his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. The additional counts underscore the extent of the yearlong investigation into Trump that first produced charges last month in the form of a 38-count indictment against Trump and his valet, Walt Nauta.

Trump faces new federal charges over Mar-a-Lago camera footage in classified materials case

Donald Trump asked a staffer to delete camera footage at his Florida estate in an effort to obstruct the federal investigation into his possession of classified documents, according to an updated indictment that adds another defendant to the case.

www.pbs.org