James Bond Warned FDR About Pearl Harbor!

[PoliticalChic]

Today, yet another new experience for government school grads: real, documented history.




1.Current scholarship has clearly placed the blame for the devastating attack on Pearl Harbor on Franklin Roosevelt and his slipshod administration.

The central question was whether Roosevelt was essentially working for the benefit of Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Communists, or he was simply…..slow-witted.



2. First and foremost, everyone expected that the Japanese were planning on going to war. The only unknown factor was their target. They wanted very much to be a major force, and, based on the lack of natural resources, needed to conquer some geography that provided same. They had some probing military action against the French, in Indochina, but the majority of their aggression had been vis-à-vis with Russia, even before the Bolsheviks took over: there were a number of battles, wars, between the Rising Sun and the Red Star.

For Japan, it was either war, or economic strangulation, and many in the West imagined they could get the popcorn, and watch the Pay-per-View battle begin.

They overestimated Roosevelt, and underestimated Stalin. Many still do.




3. Now…’James Bond’? Well not the super-spy we all love, but a real spy on whom Ian Fleming based his fictionalized version: Dusko Popov.

“Dušan "Duško" Popov, OBE (10 July 1912 – 10 August 1981) was a Serbian double agent who served as part of the MI6 and Abwehr during World War II, and passed off disinformation to Germany as part of the Double-Cross System.”
Duško Popov - Wikipedia


4. Now…Popov, the playboy-spy, was collecting a salary from the Abwehr, German military intelligence, and from his real bosses, British MI6. On August 10, 1941, he hopped over to America on orders from the Abwehr, to gather information on American military defenses, and industrial capacity.

“Upon his arrival in New York, Popov was met by agents of the FBI who grilled him for days. In his memoirs, Popov said that one of his first statements to FBI bureau chief John Foxworth was: "You can expect an attack on Pearl Harbor before the end of the year . . . " Did Hoover Know Of Pearl Harbor?




The Japanese knew, of course, but so did the Germans, and the British….and, the Soviets who controlled Roosevelt’s foreign policy, they knew.



Only Franklin the Great didn’t seem to know…….


Next……warning of the impending attack.

 

[Sunni Man]

FDR did everything he politically could to goad Japan into attacking an American asset, which turned out to be Pearl Harbor, and thus put the U.S. on a path to global war.

FDR's main goal was to eventually enter into the European conflict against Hitler's Germany.

But the vast majority of American people at that time were strongly opposed to entering into another European military adventure.

In a stroke of luck, and much to his surprise, Hitler declared war against the United States, and as they say, the rest is history.

The question remains: Was FDR enamored with communism / the USSR / and Stalin?

It's pretty clear that FDR gave in to Stalin's demands many times. Plus, FDR's wife had very strong communist leanings, and was a strong influence on him and his policies. .....

 

[Toronado3800]

Today, yet another new experience for government school grads: real, documented history.




1.Current scholarship has clearly placed the blame for the devastating attack on Pearl Harbor on Franklin Roosevelt and his slipshod administration.

The central question was whether Roosevelt was essentially working for the benefit of Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Communists, or he was simply…..slow-witted.



2. First and foremost, everyone expected that the Japanese were planning on going to war. The only unknown factor was their target. They wanted very much to be a major force, and, based on the lack of natural resources, needed to conquer some geography that provided same. They had some probing military action against the French, in Indochina, but the majority of their aggression had been vis-à-vis with Russia, even before the Bolsheviks took over: there were a number of battles, wars, between the Rising Sun and the Red Star.

For Japan, it was either war, or economic strangulation, and many in the West imagined they could get the popcorn, and watch the Pay-per-View battle begin.

They overestimated Roosevelt, and underestimated Stalin. Many still do.




3. Now…’James Bond’? Well not the super-spy we all love, but a real spy on whom Ian Fleming based his fictionalized version: Dusko Popov.

“Dušan "Duško" Popov, OBE (10 July 1912 – 10 August 1981) was a Serbian double agent who served as part of the MI6 and Abwehr during World War II, and passed off disinformation to Germany as part of the Double-Cross System.”
Duško Popov - Wikipedia


4. Now…Popov, the playboy-spy, was collecting a salary from the Abwehr, German military intelligence, and from his real bosses, British MI6. On August 10, 1941, he hopped over to America on orders from the Abwehr, to gather information on American military defenses, and industrial capacity.

“Upon his arrival in New York, Popov was met by agents of the FBI who grilled him for days. In his memoirs, Popov said that one of his first statements to FBI bureau chief John Foxworth was: "You can expect an attack on Pearl Harbor before the end of the year . . . " Did Hoover Know Of Pearl Harbor?




The Japanese knew, of course, but so did the Germans, and the British….and, the Soviets who controlled Roosevelt’s foreign policy, they knew.



Only Franklin the Great didn’t seem to know…….


Next……warning of the impending attack.

This is an interesting one. Much like the French were ready for the German attack in May of 1940, we were ready for the Japanese to attack, our fleet was there!

Just like the French, we weren't prepared at all for how they attacked.

The real debate is in military circles and if we should have been.

I am not opposed to a debate concerning FDR knowing an attack on Pearl Harbor would get us into the war.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR did everything he politically could to goad Japan into attacking an American asset and thus put the U.S. on a path to global war.

His main goal was to eventually enter into the European conflict against Hitler's Germany.

In a stroke of luck, and much to his surprise, Hitler declared war against the United States, and as they say, the rest is history.

The question remains: Was FDR enamored with communism / the USSR / and Stalin?

It's pretty clear that FDR gave in to Stalin's demands many times. Plus, FDR's wife had very strong communist leanings, and was a strong influence on him and his policies. .....

Sunni, I could dash off a thousand words in agreement with your post....but you did it far more succinctly!


We can thank Roosevelt for the milieu of cultural Marxism that will destroy this nation.

 

[Toronado3800]

FDR did everything he politically could to goad Japan into attacking an American asset, which turned out to be Pearl Harbor, and thus put the U.S. on a path to global war.

His main goal was to eventually enter into the European conflict against Hitler's Germany.

But the American people were strongly opposed to entering into another European military adventure.

In a stroke of luck, and much to his surprise, Hitler declared war against the United States, and as they say, the rest is history.

The question remains: Was FDR enamored with communism / the USSR / and Stalin?

It's pretty clear that FDR gave in to Stalin's demands many times. Plus, FDR's wife had very strong communist leanings, and was a strong influence on him and his policies. .....

The last two parts of the response really deserve a thread of their own. I'll argue FDR modernized the big government legacy of the 19th century for a different conversation than the usual, "well, Capitalism sure looked like it sucked and FDR saved us from a socialist revolution" thread.

 

[Toronado3800]

FDR did everything he politically could to goad Japan into attacking an American asset and thus put the U.S. on a path to global war.

His main goal was to eventually enter into the European conflict against Hitler's Germany.

In a stroke of luck, and much to his surprise, Hitler declared war against the United States, and as they say, the rest is history.

The question remains: Was FDR enamored with communism / the USSR / and Stalin?

It's pretty clear that FDR gave in to Stalin's demands many times. Plus, FDR's wife had very strong communist leanings, and was a strong influence on him and his policies. .....

Sunni, I could dash off a thousand words in agreement with your post....but you did it far more succinctly!


We can thank Roosevelt for the milieu of cultural Marxism that will destroy this nation.

I think you can thank him for preventing the immediate socialist revolution.

Cultural Marxism....can you define that?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Today, yet another new experience for government school grads: real, documented history.




1.Current scholarship has clearly placed the blame for the devastating attack on Pearl Harbor on Franklin Roosevelt and his slipshod administration.

The central question was whether Roosevelt was essentially working for the benefit of Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Communists, or he was simply…..slow-witted.



2. First and foremost, everyone expected that the Japanese were planning on going to war. The only unknown factor was their target. They wanted very much to be a major force, and, based on the lack of natural resources, needed to conquer some geography that provided same. They had some probing military action against the French, in Indochina, but the majority of their aggression had been vis-à-vis with Russia, even before the Bolsheviks took over: there were a number of battles, wars, between the Rising Sun and the Red Star.

For Japan, it was either war, or economic strangulation, and many in the West imagined they could get the popcorn, and watch the Pay-per-View battle begin.

They overestimated Roosevelt, and underestimated Stalin. Many still do.




3. Now…’James Bond’? Well not the super-spy we all love, but a real spy on whom Ian Fleming based his fictionalized version: Dusko Popov.

“Dušan "Duško" Popov, OBE (10 July 1912 – 10 August 1981) was a Serbian double agent who served as part of the MI6 and Abwehr during World War II, and passed off disinformation to Germany as part of the Double-Cross System.”
Duško Popov - Wikipedia


4. Now…Popov, the playboy-spy, was collecting a salary from the Abwehr, German military intelligence, and from his real bosses, British MI6. On August 10, 1941, he hopped over to America on orders from the Abwehr, to gather information on American military defenses, and industrial capacity.

“Upon his arrival in New York, Popov was met by agents of the FBI who grilled him for days. In his memoirs, Popov said that one of his first statements to FBI bureau chief John Foxworth was: "You can expect an attack on Pearl Harbor before the end of the year . . . " Did Hoover Know Of Pearl Harbor?




The Japanese knew, of course, but so did the Germans, and the British….and, the Soviets who controlled Roosevelt’s foreign policy, they knew.



Only Franklin the Great didn’t seem to know…….


Next……warning of the impending attack.

This is an interesting one. Much like the French were ready for the German attack in May of 1940, we were ready for the Japanese to attack, our fleet was there!

Just like the French, we weren't prepared at all for how they attacked.

The real debate is in military circles and if we should have been.

I am not opposed to a debate concerning FDR knowing an attack on Pearl Harbor would get us into the war.

"This is an interesting one. Much like the French were ready for the German attack in May of 1940, we were ready for the Japanese to attack, our fleet was there!"


If you ever needed to prove you are the dumbest human alive, this post would do the trick.

Any who believe you know whereof you speak, should read Admiral James O. Richardson's letters to FDR and to the Naval Dept. before he was relieved and replaced by Kimmel at Pearl Harbor.


Clearlly, you've never hoisted a book in your life.

 

[Toronado3800]

Today, yet another new experience for government school grads: real, documented history.




1.Current scholarship has clearly placed the blame for the devastating attack on Pearl Harbor on Franklin Roosevelt and his slipshod administration.

The central question was whether Roosevelt was essentially working for the benefit of Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Communists, or he was simply…..slow-witted.



2. First and foremost, everyone expected that the Japanese were planning on going to war. The only unknown factor was their target. They wanted very much to be a major force, and, based on the lack of natural resources, needed to conquer some geography that provided same. They had some probing military action against the French, in Indochina, but the majority of their aggression had been vis-à-vis with Russia, even before the Bolsheviks took over: there were a number of battles, wars, between the Rising Sun and the Red Star.

For Japan, it was either war, or economic strangulation, and many in the West imagined they could get the popcorn, and watch the Pay-per-View battle begin.

They overestimated Roosevelt, and underestimated Stalin. Many still do.




3. Now…’James Bond’? Well not the super-spy we all love, but a real spy on whom Ian Fleming based his fictionalized version: Dusko Popov.

“Dušan "Duško" Popov, OBE (10 July 1912 – 10 August 1981) was a Serbian double agent who served as part of the MI6 and Abwehr during World War II, and passed off disinformation to Germany as part of the Double-Cross System.”
Duško Popov - Wikipedia


4. Now…Popov, the playboy-spy, was collecting a salary from the Abwehr, German military intelligence, and from his real bosses, British MI6. On August 10, 1941, he hopped over to America on orders from the Abwehr, to gather information on American military defenses, and industrial capacity.

“Upon his arrival in New York, Popov was met by agents of the FBI who grilled him for days. In his memoirs, Popov said that one of his first statements to FBI bureau chief John Foxworth was: "You can expect an attack on Pearl Harbor before the end of the year . . . " Did Hoover Know Of Pearl Harbor?




The Japanese knew, of course, but so did the Germans, and the British….and, the Soviets who controlled Roosevelt’s foreign policy, they knew.



Only Franklin the Great didn’t seem to know…….


Next……warning of the impending attack.

This is an interesting one. Much like the French were ready for the German attack in May of 1940, we were ready for the Japanese to attack, our fleet was there!

Just like the French, we weren't prepared at all for how they attacked.

The real debate is in military circles and if we should have been.

I am not opposed to a debate concerning FDR knowing an attack on Pearl Harbor would get us into the war.

"This is an interesting one. Much like the French were ready for the German attack in May of 1940, we were ready for the Japanese to attack, our fleet was there!"


If you ever needed to prove you are the dumbest human alive, this post would do the trick.

Any who believe you know whereof you speak, should read Admiral James O. Richardson's letters to FDR and to the Naval Dept. before he was relieved and replaced by Kimmel at Pearl Harbor.


Clearlly, you've never hoisted a book in your life.

In your world the fleet wasn't at Pearl Harbor ready to sail out for a WWI era white supremacist victory over slanty eyed folks who couldn't possibly field an effective navy?

If you want to debate that we should have learned from Taranto or the BEF have paid more attention to German tactics before France we'll probably agree.

If you want to say that by December 11th FDR probably was just relieved to be in the war, I'll say I would have been to.

I think you look at the world through this "all is good, all is bad" filter and it prevents you from being able to objectively analyze facts.

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. Soooo…..”James Bond” Popov knew the Pearl Harbor attack was coming…..how’d he know?

“Popov had two pieces of evidence to back up his warning. One was a verbal communique' from the German air attache' in Tokyo, who had escorted Japanese naval officers to the Gulf of Taranto below the Italian boot, where British warplanes from the aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious had devastated the Italian fleet in November of 1940.

"The Japanese wanted to know all about the attack in infinite detail," the historians write. Popov's German sources "had concluded that the Asian member of the Tripartite Alliance was planning to duplicate the British feat." Did Hoover Know Of Pearl Harbor?






6. A note here about that attack on the Italian navy…

November 11-12, 1940, the Brits used secret airborne torpedo tactics to attack a naval flotilla….the very first air-only attack on a fleet. 24 Swordfish biplanes of the Royal navy attacked the Italian fleet anchored at Taranto (Italy was Germany’s ally)….destroying half the Italian navy.


Can you see why the Japanese wanted the details of that attack?

Yup.

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. So, MI6 sent Dusko Popov to make certain that Roosevelt knew of the impending attack.

What proved that Popov was telling the FBI the truth “was the telegram in Popov's possession when he arrived in New York. Hidden on the face of the telegram was a microdot message to Popov asking for defense information about the U.S. and Canadian air forces and listing a series of questions the Japanese had asked their German allies to answer. One third of the questions pertained to the defense installations that ringed the U.S. naval base at Pearl Harbor.

They likewise wanted sketches of the installations at Pearl Harbor and detailed information concerning dredging, depth of water, torpedo nets, anchorages and the like."
Washington Post, Op. Cit.




8. The WaPo article claims that the FBI passed everything on to the White House…..but left out everything about the coming attack on Pearl Harbor.

Booooooogus!!!



I’m betting that the White House hushed up the coming attack, because advertising it might have prevented Japan’s attack…and might have turned the plans into an attack on their beloved Russia!!!

How 'beloved'?????
Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse."
Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.


Yup!
'Russia Uber Alles'

What nation did Roosevelt represent, again?

 

[whitehall]

The Brits were adept at espionage and counter espionage and they were shocked that the U.S. had no national intelligence network or counter espionage capability prior to Pearl Harbor. The FDR administration relied on a hodge podge of intelligence gathering and it took a decision by the Supreme Court to declare the FBI to be the lead counter espionage network even though the FBI had no experience in espionage besides J. Edgar Hoover spying on politicians. The situation was ludicrous prior to Pearl Harbor.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Brits were adept at espionage and counter espionage and they were shocked that the U.S. had no national intelligence network or counter espionage capability prior to Pearl Harbor. The FDR administration relied on a hodge podge of intelligence gathering and it took a decision by the Supreme Court to declare the FBI to be the lead counter espionage network even though the FBI had no experience in espionage besides J. Edgar Hoover spying on politicians. The situation was ludicrous prior to Pearl Harbor.

"...shocked that the U.S. had no national intelligence network or counter espionage capability prior to Pearl Harbor."

And until post war, when the US recognized the threat of Stalin's plans....and had to use and model the CIA on the Nazis who had spied on the Soviets!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now…..that real-life James Bond:
“…Duško Popov related having informed the FBI on 12 August, 1941, of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor. Either the FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover did not report this fact to his superiors,[25] or they, for reasons of their own, took no action.” Duško Popov - Wikipedia

…for reasons of their own….



9. Poor, poor Popov! He hated the Nazis, and deeply wanted England to win their war. That’s why the Brits sent him to the FBI, to get word to a White House that they believed would join the war on their side, and defeat any Japanese plans in the Pacific. (There were British and Dutch and American colonies, and other western imperializations in the Pacific that the Japanese had their eyes on, too.)





10. This, from the WaPo article:

“The new evidence is supplied by Michigan State University historians John F. Bratzel and Leslie B. Rout Jr., who write in the current issue of The American Historical Review that [J.Edgar] Hoover received a double warning more than three months before the attack that the Japanese were thinking of making a surprise aircraft attack on the American fleet in Pearl Harbor.

Based on information in 40-year-old FBI documents and documents from the FDR library near Hyde Park, N. Y., the two historians also claim that the double warning to Hoover is the "missing evidence" that Pulitzer Prize-winning author John Toland said he and other Pearl Harbor writers have sought for years. Toland claimed in his last book, "Infamy," that the "disappearance" of this evidence was part of a "cover up" to purge intelligence records damaging to high officials in the Franklin D. Roosevelt administration.”


Hmmm.....so the Roosevelt administration was warned about the attack......and not just by 'James Bond.'

Why was it ignored????

And.....who benefited from ignoring it?????



You know who.....his initials were JS.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now we found out that ‘James Bond’ told the Roosevelt administration about the impending attack….

“Based on information in 40-year-old FBI documents and documents from the FDR library near Hyde Park, N. Y.,…”


11. And this irony…..I’ve been to the FDR library near Hyde Park, N. Y. on several occasions, and been amused by the fact that, attached to the library is the library of Roosevelt’s favorite vice-president, communist Henry Wallace:

FDR actually refused to run as Democrat President if the communist wasn’t put on his ticket:

“Even with FDR’s endorsement (and his threat to withdraw from the presidential race if Wallace were not chosen by the Democratic convention), Wallace won by only 628 to 459 against (chiefly) Speaker William Bankhead (actress Tallulah Bankhead’s father). Wallace was not allowed to give an acceptance speech. He had been under the influence of a White Russian mystic agronomist, Nicholas Roerich, and the Republicans got hold of correspondence between them that, as Roosevelt biographer Kenneth Davis wrote, “called into question [Wallace’s] mental and emotional stability.”
The Real Henry Wallace | National Review

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. This was the information that the Germans, and the Japanese, wanted Popov to find about Pearl harbor:

The MI6 translation of the Abwehr list was two pages long, and Pearl Harbor dominated the first page:

Exact details and sketch about the situation of the state wharf, of the pier installations, workshops, petrol installations, situations of dry dock No. 1 and of the new dry dock which is being built.


Details about the submarine station (plan of situation). What land installations are in existence?


Where is the station for mine search formations [Minensuchverbände]? How far has the dredge work progressed at the entrance and in the east and southeast lock? Depth of water?


Number of anchorages. [Liegeplätze]?


Is there a floating dock in Pearl Harbour or is the transfer of such a dock to this place intended?


Special tasks.—Reports about torpedo protection nets newly introduced in the British and U.S.A. Navy. How far are they already in existence in the merchant and Naval fleet? Use during voyage? Average speed reduction when in use. Details of construction and others.


The second page of the list contained questions of more interest to the German Army, then fighting the British for North Africa, than to the Japanese Navy, but the whole first page, minus the introductory paragraph, was a request for military data about Pearl Harbor.
Dusko Popov: The Triple-Agent, Real-Life James Bond Who Warned the U.S. About Pearl Harbor - History




Ya’ think this would have been a hint about the coming attack????




13. “Popov’s list of questions clearly indicated that Pearl Harbor was the key target. It also indicated that the attack would be primarily by air rather than naval bombardment and would involve both bombs and torpedoes.

The only information missing was the date.” John Koster, “Operation Snow: How a Soviet Mole in FDR’s White House Triggered Pearl Harbor,” p. 121

 

[whitehall]

Experts in Naval Intelligence had decoded the Japanese diplomatic messages and only a few people had access to the decoded information named "magic". Commanders in areas likely to be attacked including the Philippines and Hawaii had no idea of "magic" and they unknowingly depended on COS Marshall for information. The problem was that COS Marshall was so concerned about preserving the secrecy of the "magic" intercepts that he was reluctant to share what he learned. On the morning of 12/7/41 the military message center (conveniently?) went down and Marshall held the crucial information that may have saved the thousand Sailors on the Arizona for crucial hours but he was reluctant to use the phone and sent the warning of imminent attack by Western Union telegraph which arrived the same time as the Japanese bombers. Marshall managed to place the blame on front line commanders Short and Kimmel for his own negligence

 

[rightwinger]

James Bond warned Bush about 9-11

 

[whitehall]

James Bond warned Bush about 9-11

It's tempting to divert to the Clinton negligence that led to 9-11 but the subject is FDR's incompetence.

 

[rightwinger]

James Bond warned JFK about Dallas

 

[whitehall]

James Bond warned JFK about Dallas

Sadly the CIA hasn't been on top of any major event in the 20th century but that's another story. COS George Marshall was credited with having an almost photographic memory but he couldn't remember where he was during the early morning hours of arguably the most important date in his career on 12/7/1941 when his people were frantically looking for him. Subsequent investigations were politically slanted and Marshall got a pass while front line commanders (with the possible exception of MacArthur) were blamed.