Jailed for life.

[Tilly]

'Public need before Private Greed'

Nazi Party policies.

50% tax on wealthiest Germans
National health care system
Public education system
Free university education
Winter allowances
Expansion of Pension programme
Subsidies for farmers
Nationalising industries and crippling taxes on others that remained private
Price and rent controls
Gvmnt jobs programmes
Profit sharing
Maternity care
Abolition of child labour

Looks pretty SOCIALIST to me.

Care to check off how many of those we have in the USA?

Yes, I know, and in Europe. They are socialist policies and programmes, hence rhe word socialist in the title of the Nazi party, that is the point.

 

[Divine Wind]

'Public need before Private Greed'

Nazi Party policies.

50% tax on wealthiest Germans
National health care system
Public education system
Free university education
Winter allowances
Expansion of Pension programme
Subsidies for farmers
Nationalising industries and crippling taxes on others that remained private
Price and rent controls
Gvmnt jobs programmes
Profit sharing
Maternity care
Abolition of child labour

Looks pretty SOCIALIST to me.

Care to check off how many of those we have in the USA?

Yes, I know, and in Europe. They are socialist policies and programmes, hence rhe word socialist in the title of the Nazi party, that is the point.

So you are like Pumpkin and believe the US is a Nazi/Socialist nation?

 

[MaryL]

If the OP had read the article hw would have seen that the jury found the defendant guilty of murder only.
Jury was not asked to find his motivation.

Too many US Message Board posters only care about headlines.

I regret the loss of MP Cox. To lay her death at the feet of conservatives is absurd and idiotic. As if it's a reason to bash ALL conservatives. Isn't that profiling?

 

[Tilly]

'Public need before Private Greed'

Nazi Party policies.

50% tax on wealthiest Germans
National health care system
Public education system
Free university education
Winter allowances
Expansion of Pension programme
Subsidies for farmers
Nationalising industries and crippling taxes on others that remained private
Price and rent controls
Gvmnt jobs programmes
Profit sharing
Maternity care
Abolition of child labour

Looks pretty SOCIALIST to me.

Care to check off how many of those we have in the USA?

Yes, I know, and in Europe. They are socialist policies and programmes, hence rhe word socialist in the title of the Nazi party, that is the point.

So you are like Pumpkin and believe the US is a Nazi/Socialist nation?

As I've said many times already, the Nazis were socialists, that doesn't mean all socialists are Nazis.

 

[Divine Wind]

As I've said many times already, the Nazis were socialists, that doesn't mean all socialists are Nazis.

Understood, but the Nazis love Trump, you and Pumpkin say Nazis are Socialists and now you are claiming the US is a socialist nation like the Nazis. Your list of Nazi programs is nearly identical to US programs.

50% tax on wealthiest Germans
National health care system
Public education system
Free university education
Winter allowances
Expansion of Pension programme
Subsidies for farmers
Nationalising industries and crippling taxes on others that remained private
Price and rent controls
Gvmnt jobs programmes
Profit sharing
Maternity care
Abolition of child labour

 

[Tilly]

As I've said many times already, the Nazis were socialists, that doesn't mean all socialists are Nazis.

Understood, but the Nazis love Trump, you and Pumpkin say Nazis are Socialists and now you are claiming the US is a socialist nation like the Nazis. Your list of Nazi programs is nearly identical to US programs.

50% tax on wealthiest Germans
National health care system
Public education system
Free university education
Winter allowances
Expansion of Pension programme
Subsidies for farmers
Nationalising industries and crippling taxes on others that remained private
Price and rent controls
Gvmnt jobs programmes
Profit sharing
Maternity care
Abolition of child labour

And who did they vote for before?

 

[Tilly]

As I've said many times already, the Nazis were socialists, that doesn't mean all socialists are Nazis.

Understood, but the Nazis love Trump, you and Pumpkin say Nazis are Socialists and now you are claiming the US is a socialist nation like the Nazis. Your list of Nazi programs is nearly identical to US programs.

50% tax on wealthiest Germans
National health care system
Public education system
Free university education
Winter allowances
Expansion of Pension programme
Subsidies for farmers
Nationalising industries and crippling taxes on others that remained private
Price and rent controls
Gvmnt jobs programmes
Profit sharing
Maternity care
Abolition of child labour

Again, I haven't claimed the US is a 'socialist nation like the Nazis', anywhere. i have said it is clear to me the Nazis called themselves socialists because they were socialists, as a great many of their socialist policies and programmes indicate!

 

[Divine Wind]

And who did they vote for before?

Trump

 

[Tilly]

And who did they vote for before?

Trump

Trump has only been a candidate once.

 

[Divine Wind]

Again, I haven't claimed the US is a 'socialist nation like the Nazis', anywhere. i have said it is clear to me the Nazis called themselves socialists because they were socialists, as a great many of their socialist policies and programmes indicate!

Play semantics if you want, but when someone says all Nazis are socialists and Nazis voted for Trump, then they are only fooling themselves if they don't believe Trump is, at a minimum, sympathetic to Socialists.

 

[Divine Wind]

And who did they vote for before?

Trump

Trump has only been a candidate once.

One of the most dark horse candidates ever....and he won.

 

[Tilly]

Again, I haven't claimed the US is a 'socialist nation like the Nazis', anywhere. i have said it is clear to me the Nazis called themselves socialists because they were socialists, as a great many of their socialist policies and programmes indicate!

Play semantics if you want, but when someone says all Nazis are socialists and Nazis voted for Trump, then they are only fooling themselves if they don't believe Trump is, at a minimum, sympathetic to Socialists.

I'm not playing semantics. There have been socialist gvmnts that are not Nazis. My argument is that it is factually untrue to claim Nazis were far right, when they were clearly socialists.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

....Unlike me, you haven't given me one single thing that proves the political alignment of the Nazis. ....

Scroll up kid.

As for your proof, one is a HS paper by a now-20something youngster and the other are speeches by Hitler. He said a lot of shit that isn't true. His actions were different, however. Specifically his support of the RWer Nationalist Francisco Franco in the Spanish Civil War and his hate for Stalin and all communists/Marxists.

Your 'proof' included no policies, you only showed me websites stating that they were right wing 'because we said so'. Showing me websites that got the political spectrum wrong doesn't support your already baseless argument.

"Clearly he lied about literally every single one of his policies. That would explain his widespread support from the Germans." Good grief.
Learn: Nazi domestic policies 1933-39 (by tireni618) - Memorize.com - Remember and Understand
Hitler's Domestic Policies
Hitler's Economics
How Hitler Tackled Unemployment (While this person is a nutjob, he does point out that Hitler's economic policies were similar to FDR's, and FDR was ALSO a Socialist.)
How successful were the domestic policies of the Nazi Party 1933 - 1939? - GCSE History - Marked by Teachers.com
LIES YOUR TEACHER TAUGHT YOU: Nazi Hitler Economic Social and Political Policies
All of these sources, and literally every source I've come across that even discusses the policies of the Nazis, are in agreement that they implemented Socialist policies. You've still given me nothing in terms of actual policies.

Try reading history, not right propaganda sites. The reason Chamberlain and others appeased Hitler in the 1930's was because he was virulently anti-communist, and devotedly right-wing. Under Hilter, Germany was in no danger of ever becoming a communist country.

Nazism is extremely right wing.

Like I keep explaining to you sheep, it's the opposite of right wing ideology, and his policies were 100% Socialist. You guys just haven't bothered to research the policies implemented under Hitler.

No Nation is ever in danger of being Communist, as Communism is impossible to implement, will never be practiced, and has never been practiced.

Which policies would those be? The policy under which Jews were blamed for the devalued currency and Germany's economic woes (like immigrants are blamed in the US)? The policy under which Jews, Roma, Catholics and disabled people were sent to concentration camps? The policies under which slave labour from the camps was used to build weapons and munitions for the German army?

You are aware of course that the US is a socialist country. That Medicare, Medicaid, social security and public education are all socialist concepts.

As are public highways, bridges, and libraries.

You will continue in a state of abject ignorance about the real world until you get out of your conservative bubble.

Actually, yes, all of those are left wing, too. Though, I was referring to the Socialist policies that were implemented, such as their healthcare system, government takeover of industry, the people all being employed by the government, etc. I have a list earlier in the thread.

The US is not a Socialist country. Those are Socialist policies that the ignorant left put in place, but those alone don't make a country Socialist. You just don't understand political structure.

Government control of infrastructure isn't Socialism. Your ignorance hurts me.

View must be nice from that glass house of yours.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Just as I thought. You're far enough left to ignore all evidence and continue to make the same false claims after you have been proven wrong. This is sad and pathetic.

You can flirt all day, young lady, but 1) I'm 3 times your age and 2) more importantly, happily married.

Wishful thinking on your part. You only wish you could have the full package~

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Again, I haven't claimed the US is a 'socialist nation like the Nazis', anywhere. i have said it is clear to me the Nazis called themselves socialists because they were socialists, as a great many of their socialist policies and programmes indicate!

Play semantics if you want, but when someone says all Nazis are socialists and Nazis voted for Trump, then they are only fooling themselves if they don't believe Trump is, at a minimum, sympathetic to Socialists.

Neo-Nazis=/=Nazis.

You're reaching pretty far for this one. Neo-Nazis are simply white supremacists, the Nazis are the National Socialist Workers Party. We don't have one of those here. Your argument is invalid.

Besides, the people that support a candidate don't decide what that candidate's policies are. We have Conservatives that voted for Trump, and a Conservative Trump is not.

 

[Eloy]

There are no Nazis today; there cannot be because Nazism died with Hitler in April 1945.

Wrong. It continued in several countries including the US and Argentina. You don't remember Skokie?

The Nazi International

American Nazi Party leader sees 'a real opportunity' with a Trump presidency

Fundamental to Nazism was the Führer as Leader of Germany and the birthright of all German-speaking Aryans to be members of the master race. As Rudolf Hess accurately put it: "Die Partei ist Hitler. Hitler aber ist Deutschland wie Deutschland Hitler ist. Hitler Sieg Heil!" (The Party is Hitler. Hitler is Germany, as Germany is Hitler. Hitler Hail Victory!)


Remove any one of these three elements and you do not have Nazism. Nazism was a distinct doctrine about Germany, its Leader Hitler, and the National Socialist German Workers' Party at a specific period in time, September 1934 Nürnberg Rally. Remove the NSDAP Party and you do not have Nazism. Remove the Führer and you do not have Nazism. Remove Germany and you do not have Nazism. Without any of these essential elements, all you have with semi-educated American riff-raff waving swastikas is a mockery of Nazism by a bunch of clowns. As I said, and which you claim is wrong, once Hitler removed himself with a bullet to the head, Nazism ended.

 

[Dragonlady]

'Public need before Private Greed'

Nazi Party policies.

50% tax on wealthiest Germans
National health care system
Public education system
Free university education
Winter allowances
Expansion of Pension programme
Subsidies for farmers
Nationalising industries and crippling taxes on others that remained private
Price and rent controls
Gvmnt jobs programmes
Profit sharing
Maternity care
Abolition of child labour

Looks pretty SOCIALIST to me.

Hilter was neither a socialist nor a capitalist. He believed both were deeply flawed. ALL of Hitler's economic policies were rooted in his hatred to anti-Semitism, racism and genocide.

Hitler's privatization of some industries, including the banks, was to get their ownership and control out of the hands of Jews. Later on, the banks were sold off and privatized again, but they were not sold to Jews.

It is ridiculous to standard here from the vantage point of 80 years of history and economics and compare Hilter to anyone else in recent history.

You are aware that this was during the Great Depression? That Germany's economy was in total chaos and shambles because of the reparations that Germany was forced to pay to the Allies after WWI? That inflation was running at nearly 1000% because the Weimar Republic's solution to all of this was to hit the printing presses for the mark? Unemployment was 30% when Hitler took power.

The Treaty of Versailles, which Germany and the Allies signed at the end of WWI was very punitive. Under its terms, Germany accepted full blame for starting WWI and was required to pay huge sums of the money to the Allies.

Today, Hitler's program of economic recovery for Germany would be called Keynesian, because it relied upon government investment in infrastructure to stimulate growth and employment. Except that Keynes hadn't even written his defining works when Hitler came to power.

Today, all First World economies are socialist, including the United States. The key to having a successful economy in today's world, is to achieve a sustainable balance which allows privately owned businesses to thrive, while protecting the rights and interests of the general population.

 

[Dragonlady]

Yes, I know, and in Europe. They are socialist policies and programmes, hence rhe word socialist in the title of the Nazi party, that is the point.

Wrong again. The only reason that "Socialist" is in the name of the Nazi Party is because, like Trump, Hitler didn't start his own party, he co-opted that Nationalist Socialist Party of Germany, much like Trump co-opted the Republican Party to run for President, even though I think we can all agree that Trump is no Republican.

If you read your history, you would know that Hilter wanted to change the name of the party because he hated the idea of it being called a "socialist" party, when he wasn't a socialist. But he thought better of the idea, because he wanted the rest of Europe to leave Germany alone as he re-armed the country, and basically broke every provision of the Treaty of Versailles, in the quest to restore Germany to it's earlier glory.

IOW's, Hitler's primary goal was to "Make Germany Great Again".

 

[Phoenall]

'Public need before Private Greed'

Nazi Party policies.

50% tax on wealthiest Germans
National health care system
Public education system
Free university education
Winter allowances
Expansion of Pension programme
Subsidies for farmers
Nationalising industries and crippling taxes on others that remained private
Price and rent controls
Gvmnt jobs programmes
Profit sharing
Maternity care
Abolition of child labour

Looks pretty SOCIALIST to me.

Care to check off how many of those we have in the USA?

Yes, I know, and in Europe. They are socialist policies and programmes, hence rhe word socialist in the title of the Nazi party, that is the point.

So you are like Pumpkin and believe the US is a Nazi/Socialist nation?

Not at all, the problem here lies in the misuse of a common language that has led to the same words having different meanings


As in Bonnet is the front part of a car or a hat, also a hood is the front part of a car or a hat
A motorway is a 3 lane road or is that an interstate
A turnpike is an exit road from an interstate or is it a exit ramp from a motorway

The list is endless and leads to confusion in meanings. So a socialist in the UK would be a communist, A liberal would be balanced centrist politically and a conservative a cautious steady right of centrist.

 

[Dragonlady]

I'm not playing semantics. There have been socialist gvmnts that are not Nazis. My argument is that it is factually untrue to claim Nazis were far right, when they were clearly socialists.

Calling the Nazis "socialists" is painting them with a 21st Century brush, may be comforting to you but it's historically inaccurate. Such comparisons will also give you a false sense that it couldn't happen in the US, but in fact, it's already happening.

In much the same way that Jews, Roma, and other marginalized people came under attack in Germany after Hitler's election, Jews, Muslims, blacks, and women are coming under attack in Trump's America.

I understand that it's very convenient for you to pin your little labels on historical figures and then dismiss them as being irrelevant to today's situation, but the parallels between Weimar Germany and the today's USA that should not be ignored or glossed over.

The scapegoating of immigrants and Muslims, the "Make American Great Again" slogan, the racist undertones of this candidate is very alarming and should not be dismissed lightly.