J6 Committee Recommendations Fooling No-one

[struth]

I will never agree with you, as long as, you are a boot licking, Trump Humper. The only thing I agree with is anyone should be prosecuted that breaks the law. It's funny how you think Trump is above the law.

Ok...now you are back tracking and throwing out things that aren't true.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Ok...now you are back tracking and throwing out things that aren't true.

Everything I have said is fact.

 

[Delldude]

How would you know? Did you watch any of the hearings in full, or just get your opinion from your right wing media's talking points?

Every witness was a Republican state office holder, or Republican serving in the Trump administration or trump campaign.

I don't recall seeing any cross examination of 'witnesses', did you?

 

[struth]

Everything I have said is fact.

well, it's what your Plantation boss has said is fact....I never suggested anyone was "above the law" - that's a lie...and a yes, you did agree with me...but let's face it, you didn't mean it...because you don't want your cult leaders prosecuted

 

[Doc7505]

No one but a blind, deaf and dumb human could miss the intent and actions of Trump and his cohorts on 1/6. To deny the obvious is to take the art of denial to the point of a self-induced lobotomy.

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A Case of Hope Over Experience:​

The J6 Referral Falls Short of a Credible Criminal Case​

A Case of Hope Over Experience: The J6 Referral Falls Short of a Credible Criminal Case
20 Dec 2022 ~~ By Jonathan Turley

This week the January 6th Committee voted to make criminal referrals to the Justice Department, including the proposed indictment of former President Donald Trump. However, the Committee’s splashy finale lacked any substantial new evidence to make a compelling criminal case against former President Donald Trump. The Committee repackaged largely the same evidence that it has previously put forward over the past year. That is not enough. Indeed, the reliance on a new videotape of former Trump aide Hope Hicks seems a case of putting “hope over experience” in the criminal Justice system.
While still based largely on the failure to act, Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Cal.) insisted that “if that’s not criminal, nothing is.” The opposite may be true from a First Amendment perspective. If the failure to act is criminal, it is hard to see what would not be criminal under this standard.
~Snip~
The failure of the Committee to offer any new and direct evidence of criminal conduct was obvious at the outset. Vice Chair Liz Cheney began her remarks by again detailing what Trump failed to do. It was a repeat of the prior hearings and for some likely left the impression of actors who are refusing to leave the stage long after the audience departed.
~Snip~
While some Democrats have asserted an almost proprietary claim to the January 6th riot, this was a desecration of our constitutional process that harmed us all. Indeed some of us were critical of Trump’s speech as he was giving it. At a minimum, that day was a failure of leadership — but that does not mean it was a violation of the criminal code.
While the members assured each other that history would honor their efforts, the judgment is likely to be more mixed. It is not a criticism of what they became as much as what they could have become in investigating the tragedy of January 6th.
Despite the broad condemnation of Trump for his speech and conduct on that day, there is a difference between what is viewed as reprehensible and what is chargeable as criminal conduct.


Commentary:
None of what you claim is supportable or legitimate, much like the "Jan 6th Panel" itself. Fools like you have tried for more tan 6 years to prove Trump is guilty of something, anything to prevent is re-election.
Jonathan Turley's column is a great illustration of his objectivity, fidelity to the law and the Constitution. See how he clearly distinguishes his *personal* view of Trump’s behavior from his analysis of the law and of the facts of the case.
To the Maoist/DSA Red Guard Democrat Left, the law is a malleable tool used to satisfy a desire (in this case, to “Get Trump”). To Turley, the law is Lady Justice.
When the M/DSA RG Dem Leftists smear Turley, they are attacking him for his *virtue*.
M/DSA RG Dems will use any phony pretext to keep President Trump off the ballot, Democrats know they cannot defeat President Trump in an honest election.
Never in history has a minor, more criminal, more tyrannical junta of psychopaths successfully controlled more people, more assets, with more power.
Meanwhile, Turley touches on the Biden corruption. There is no doubt Joe Biden, his son and his brothers are corrupt. There is no doubt there is criminal intent on all their parts.
There is already enough to impeach Biden and is family should Democrats stop wearing blinders.
It is even highly likely that an investigation will find an actual crime.
There is compelling evidence of a crime, though an investigation will likely reveal massive criminal corruption it still may end with Joe having to pardon his son and is brothers before is resignation.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

well, it's what your Plantation boss has said is fact....I never suggested anyone was "above the law" - that's a lie...and a yes, you did agree with me...but let's face it, you didn't mean it...because you don't want your cult leaders prosecuted

Of course, you do every time you open your mouth. You have shown you are afraid to criticize Trump, what cult leader have I claimed shouldn't be prosecuted like you do about Trump. They have shown mountains of evidence against the orange fool and yet you still run around here talking about he has done nothing wrong.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The January 6 committee’s criminal referrals aren’t an empty gesture

Criminal referrals don’t carry any legal weight. The January 6 ones will still be significant.

www.vox.com

(a). No rational American sees the activities of the J6 Committee as anything other than a partisan slander fest.
(2). President Trump had no illusions of CHANGING THE RESULTS of the election at his insistence.
(iii). Not even the most delusional of the J6 rioters believed that they could overturn the results of the election and install Trump as a dictator, like Fidel Castro. And yet, this is the essence of the prosecutions against them.
(D). As of January 6, 2021, Trump and his partisans were CONVINCED that at least three states' election results had been produced by some combination of fraud, illegal vote harvesting, illegitimate rule changes (e.g., in Pennsylvania), and counting shenanigans. But none of the factual allegations was being investigated or even considered, as one court after another was shutting down the various cases on procedural grounds. Clearly, no court wanted any part of a Bush v Gore re-run.
5. The purpose of the riots was to STOP the certification of the results of the election pending a full investigation of the cornucopia of "irregularities" that characterized that election.
(vi). Had the election gone the other way, everything else being equal, the riots would have been even more violent, and would have taken place in many venues around the country.
G. It would be NICE to see those ass-holes in the Justice Department try Donald Trump on these charges, with competent defense counsel. Trump's lawyers would shove this crap right up their asses.

House Jan. 6 Committee Releases Final Report Detailing Trump’s Coup Attempt

The long-awaited document provides the evidence behind the conclusions outlined in the executive summary released at the end of the panel's final meeting.

www.huffpost.com

“From the beginning, Donald Trump’s fraud allegations were concocted nonsense, designed to prey upon the patriotism of millions of men and women who love our country,” committee vice chair Rep. Liz Cheney, a Wyoming Republican, wrote in her foreword. “Most Americans also did not know exactly how Donald Trump, along with a handful of others, planned to defeat the transfer of presidential power on January 6th. This was not a simple plan, but it was a corrupt one.”

The bulk of the report provides details behind the findings already released, largely in a series of public presentations this summer. These included both live, sworn testimony by witnesses in the Cannon Caucus Room as well as dozens of snippets of videotaped depositions.

Almost all of it was from Republicans, including those who worked directly for Trump and then-Vice President Mike Pence in those weeks between Trump’s election loss to Democrat Joe Biden and his attempt to award himself a second term nevertheless on the date of Congress’ ceremonial counting of the electoral votes.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

~~~~~~

A Case of Hope Over Experience:​

The J6 Referral Falls Short of a Credible Criminal Case​

A Case of Hope Over Experience: The J6 Referral Falls Short of a Credible Criminal Case
20 Dec 2022 ~~ By Jonathan Turley

This week the January 6th Committee voted to make criminal referrals to the Justice Department, including the proposed indictment of former President Donald Trump. However, the Committee’s splashy finale lacked any substantial new evidence to make a compelling criminal case against former President Donald Trump. The Committee repackaged largely the same evidence that it has previously put forward over the past year. That is not enough. Indeed, the reliance on a new videotape of former Trump aide Hope Hicks seems a case of putting “hope over experience” in the criminal Justice system.
While still based largely on the failure to act, Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Cal.) insisted that “if that’s not criminal, nothing is.” The opposite may be true from a First Amendment perspective. If the failure to act is criminal, it is hard to see what would not be criminal under this standard.
~Snip~
The failure of the Committee to offer any new and direct evidence of criminal conduct was obvious at the outset. Vice Chair Liz Cheney began her remarks by again detailing what Trump failed to do. It was a repeat of the prior hearings and for some likely left the impression of actors who are refusing to leave the stage long after the audience departed.
~Snip~
While some Democrats have asserted an almost proprietary claim to the January 6th riot, this was a desecration of our constitutional process that harmed us all. Indeed some of us were critical of Trump’s speech as he was giving it. At a minimum, that day was a failure of leadership — but that does not mean it was a violation of the criminal code.
While the members assured each other that history would honor their efforts, the judgment is likely to be more mixed. It is not a criticism of what they became as much as what they could have become in investigating the tragedy of January 6th.
Despite the broad condemnation of Trump for his speech and conduct on that day, there is a difference between what is viewed as reprehensible and what is chargeable as criminal conduct.


Commentary:
None of what you claim is supportable or legitimate, much like the "Jan 6th Panel" itself. Fools like you have tried for more tan 6 years to prove Trump is guilty of something, anything to prevent is re-election.
Jonathan Turley's column is a great illustration of his objectivity, fidelity to the law and the Constitution. See how he clearly distinguishes his *personal* view of Trump’s behavior from his analysis of the law and of the facts of the case.
To the Maoist/DSA Red Guard Democrat Left, the law is a malleable tool used to satisfy a desire (in this case, to “Get Trump”). To Turley, the law is Lady Justice.
When the M/DSA RG Dem Leftists smear Turley, they are attacking him for his *virtue*.
M/DSA RG Dems will use any phony pretext to keep President Trump off the ballot, Democrats know they cannot defeat President Trump in an honest election.
Never in history has a minor, more criminal, more tyrannical junta of psychopaths successfully controlled more people, more assets, with more power.
Meanwhile, Turley touches on the Biden corruption. There is no doubt Joe Biden, his son and his brothers are corrupt. There is no doubt there is criminal intent on all their parts.
There is already enough to impeach Biden and is family should Democrats stop wearing blinders.
It is even highly likely that an investigation will find an actual crime.
There is compelling evidence of a crime, though an investigation will likely reveal massive criminal corruption it still may end with Joe having to pardon his son and is brothers before is resignation.

What Happened to Jonathan Turley, Really?

Turley’s midterm quandary—how to boost the poor performance by the party he has loyally served as academically-credentialed propagandist—is unenviable.

slate.com

Some years ago, academics and legal and political commentators began joining in a lament that eventually became a kind of trope: “What the heck has happened to Jonathan Turley?” The sad refrain recalled that George Washington University law professor Turley was once a serious and respected legal scholar—a civil libertarian who often constructively criticized liberal cant –and then observed that he had turned his energy into appearing all over the media, but especially welcomed the chance to be on Fox News.

Turley, who acknowledges that he is a paid Fox News contributor, began to regularly pop up on the Fox shows that purport to be journalistic, but also the clownishly right-wing Fox & Friends in the morning and then the demagogic right-wing propaganda evening programming. He presented himself as a kind of Alan Dershowitz with table manners—his stance was that of one of the last remaining “principled liberals” speaking truth to leftist power.

 

[Delldude]

What Happened to Jonathan Turley, Really?

Turley’s midterm quandary—how to boost the poor performance by the party he has loyally served as academically-credentialed propagandist—is unenviable.

slate.com

Meh....Turley suffered the inverse Liz Cheney effect when he offered constitutional advice against impeaching Trump on shaky evidence.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

In the news today:

Donald Trump responds to 845-page J6 report — but the committee has already dispelled his latest statement

Former President Donald Trump likely hasn't read the 845-page report detailing the findings of the House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on Congress and the attempt to overthrow the election, but it doesn't mean he is staying silent. Taking to his own personal social media site...

www.rawstory.com

It's not the first time Trump pointed to those words as a way to excuse himself from other behavior around the attack. The detail in the report describes Trump being told over and over again that the election wasn't fraudulent from his own people. It also makes it clear that Trump was prepared to call on the Jan. 6 crowd to march on Congress and knew that his followers were armed and ready to fight. Whether he said the word "peacefully" or not doesn't dismiss his call for the supporters to "fight" 20 times in his speech that day, the report explains.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I don't recall seeing any cross examination of 'witnesses', did you?

It was not a trial. That will come soon enough

 

[Delldude]

It was not a trial. That will come soon enough

You need to look at the house rules for hearings, cross is permitted. I posted it here.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Ok...now you are back tracking and throwing out things that aren't true.

I will tell you what id true. It is is true that Trump is batshit, bonkers insane over this. He is self destructing

Trump's J6 report meltdown ramps up as he demands officials rid country of the 'cancer' behind his election loss

Moments after Donald Trump took to his Truth Social account to insist that, in the 2020 presidential election "TRUMP WON, BIG!" he was back at it in another post -- this time completely in all caps -- demanding judges and prosecutors avenge his loss by going after his perceived enemies.Early...

www.rawstory.com

Early Friday, hours after the January 6 committee issued a damning report that recommended not only criminal charges against the former president but also bluntly stated he should not be allowed to hold public office again, the twice-impeached former president lashed out by writing, "The change in the Election was Complete & Total, with Millions of votes switched, at least 17%. TRUMP WON, BIG!"

In that vein he later raged in all caps, "SO, WE CAUGHT THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THROUGH THE USE OF THE FBI & OTHER AGENCIES, CONCLUSIVELY & IRREFUTABLY CHEATING ON THE 2020 Presidential Election, AND COMPLETELY & ILLEGALLY CHANGING ITS RESULT. THIS WAS ONLY ONE OF MANY FORMS OF CHEATING, BUT FRANKLY, IT WAS A BEAUT!

He added, "THE FBI HAS NO EXCUSE, THEY WERE CAUGHT COLD,

 

[Toro]

 

[Toro]

 

[Delldude]

I will tell you what id true. It is is true that Trump is batshit, bonkers insane over this. He is self destructing

Thank you for pointing that out......so is the left.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You need to look at the house rules for hearings, cross is permitted. I posted it here.

So who stepped up and requested an opportunity to cross, and was denied?

 

[JusticeHammer]

I know, you know, everyone knows that if a Democrat did what Trump did, you would all be screaming for them to be executed as a traitor.

Your lame excuses for Trump's treason fall flat.

If a demscum did what Trump did he would be given a pass and called a hero by you retards.

 

[JusticeHammer]

Really? Can you to document that? What democrats?

Short memory or straight up denial? Idiot.

 

[JusticeHammer]

i can tell that is why you let cut-n-paste speak for yous, you done did find out about the doubt.

Stop drinking, that makes no sense.