The Sage of Main Street
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You’ve been duped by your government, but too dumb to know it.
Demonic Creatures Use Both a Pentagram and a Pentagon
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You’ve been duped by your government, but too dumb to know it.
The US has killed millions of civilians on the opposite side of the planet from DC.Yes she said that. She said NOTHING about allowing Iraq to invade Kuwait. And your last sentence is nonsense. The US goes to extraordinary lengths to avoid civilian deaths. The photo you posted is of the "road of death" where US airpower destroyed the retreating Iraqi army. That was a perfectly legal and legitimate act of war. The Iraqis were the ones killing and raping civilians in Kuwait, as well as stealing everything not solidly set in concrete, not the US forces.
Where is Ukraine?
This was an illegal war waged for some alternative reason
Is that what they taught you at indoctrination school? You know. who is the real ally? Not the one who sells weapons, but the one who helps allies with weapons in his hands. The Allies promised to open a Second Front in 1942, 1943 and only in 1944 they landed in Normandy. When Stalin promised Roosevelt that the USSR would begin hostilities against Japan three months after the end of the war in Europe, he fulfilled this promise verbatim. May 9, 1945 -August 9, 1945. This is an ally that anyone would like to have.Stalin was only in the war because he had no choice and spent the war blackmailing FDR and Churchill for ever larger amounts of support. The USSR fought its own war and almost never cooperated with the Allies, and then reluctantly
If you had bother to actually read the article you linked to, it clearly says that was a military convoy and the people killed were Saddam's SOLDIERS.
Your link:How many Ukrainians and Russians must die to appease western oligarchs and the MIC?
Has there ever been another war in recent times so easily avoided?
America’s Culture of Death
It has now become clear that the Pentagon has been maneuvering into giving Russia another “Vietnam,” just as it lured the Soviet Union into invading Afghanistan in 1979. For the past 25 years, Russian officials have been telling the United States that their “red line” was Ukraine. If NATO were to absorb Ukraine, that would entitle the Pentagon to install its nuclear missiles on Russia’s border, pointed at Moscow, St. Petersburg, and other Russian cities. Russia’s position was made clear: It would never permit that to happen. To prevent it from happening, Russia’s officials repeatedly stated, Russia would invade Ukraine to effect regime change.
Knowing this, U.S. officials continued on course, knowing full-well that Russia wasn’t bluffing. In fact, it is now clear that U.S. officials have been training and arming the Ukrainian military for years in preparation for what they knew was coming — the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
The result has been a massive number of deaths, not only among the Ukrainian military and civilians but also among the Russian military. Not surprisingly, there has been a tremendous amount of exaltation among U.S. officials and the mainstream press over the thousands of Russian soldiers who have been killed in the conflict. They call the deaths of those soldiers “degrading Russia,” which has obviously been the aim from the beginning.
America’s Culture of Death - LewRockwell
The actions of the USG are appalling, yet few Americans think so. In fact, pointing out these truths gets one labeled a traitor. It’s shameful.Your link:
"Consider all the deaths that have come from U.S. sanctions and embargoes.
"The sanctions against Iraq brought about the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. Yes, children!
"Recall the outrage arising out of the deaths of those 19 children in Uvalde.
"There was never any such outrage for the killing of those hundreds of thousands of children in Iraq.
"There is a simple reason for that: The killings of the Iraqi children are part of our national culture of death."
The US launched its national culture of death with genocide from sea the shining sea; it's hardly surprising many Americans today worship mass murder when it's done for the "national $ecurity."
Also at that link…Your link:
"Consider all the deaths that have come from U.S. sanctions and embargoes.
"The sanctions against Iraq brought about the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. Yes, children!
"Recall the outrage arising out of the deaths of those 19 children in Uvalde.
"There was never any such outrage for the killing of those hundreds of thousands of children in Iraq.
"There is a simple reason for that: The killings of the Iraqi children are part of our national culture of death."
The US launched its national culture of death with genocide from sea the shining sea; it's hardly surprising many Americans today worship mass murder when it's done for the "national $ecurity."
Imho, Ukraine is seen as the key to opening Russia to another round of looting like we saw in the 1990s. Western investors and their political puppets couldn't care less about dead Ukrainians, Russians, Europeans, or Americans for that matter as long as they get their blood-spattered ROI.That’s what could have been done in Ukraine to avoid all those deaths of Ukrainians and Russians alike. All that needed to be done to avoid the conflict was an agreement in which NATO would not absorb Ukraine. But unfortunately, Joe Biden is no John Kennedy. The result has been thousands of unnecessary deaths, including both Ukrainians and Russians
Stalin's Winning Draw-Play StrategyIs that what they taught you at indoctrination school? You know. who is the real ally? Not the one who sells weapons, but the one who helps allies with weapons in his hands. The Allies promised to open a Second Front in 1942, 1943 and only in 1944 they landed in Normandy. When Stalin promised Roosevelt that the USSR would begin hostilities against Japan three months after the end of the war in Europe, he fulfilled this promise verbatim. May 9, 1945 -August 9, 1945. This is an ally that anyone would like to have.
Sorry ESay, I meant to get back to you about this earlier.Ukraine in no way can be an industrial competitor to Germany. Raw materials and cheap labour aren't the only things the industrial might is based upon.
If this war continues, there won’t be much left of Ukraine and it will likely take many decades to recover.Sorry ESay, I meant to get back to you about this earlier.
I've spent more than 4 decades in manufacturing. I have a pretty good sense of it. We were chomping at the bit in the early '90's to get into eastern Europe, but the corruption was just too much to deal with. And we weren't inexperienced in that regard- we were already doing business in Mexico and South America, which requires certain payoffs to get the necessary permissions. It was the same thing, but on steroids in Eastern Europe in the early '90's.
Ukraine was one of the main centers of gravity for manufacturing for the USSR. It's not just raw materials and lower labor costs- it's abundant and reliable low-cost energy, a great rail system and waterways to get products to markets. It's the generations of tradesmen like machinists and engineers that pass their experience to the next generation- Ukraine had a mature aerospace sector, heavy manufacfuring like ship propulsion systems and gas turbines, tanks, trucks, armored vehicles, etc.
I am not looking at Ukraine today, I'm imagining a rebuilt Ukraine 20 years in the future, with modern technology, against a Germany that will probably have a 20 hour work week by then, expensive and unreliable energy, higher transportation costs, and probably a less friendly business environment overall.
Ukraine would have to continue certain reforms of their own system- be more market driven, fewer "oligarchs" running the enterprises, more investment from western companies, and so on. The opportunity is there- I can't predict it will happen, but it's not unrealistic.
jmho.
It appears the corruption in Ukraine is eternal.If this war continues, there won’t be much left of Ukraine and it will likely take many decades to recover.
Because negative reports on Ukraine aren’t allowed in the western press but they are on Russia, even if false and misleading.It appears the corruption in Ukraine is eternal.
I wonder why the western media isn't interested?
The Bottomless Corruption of the Ukrainian State | Gates of Vienna
"Information leaked from Ukraine and confirmed by independent observers once again gives an insight into the ubiquitous corruption that prevails in the country: According to the Group of States against Corruption (GRECO), which is part of the Council of Europe, aid funds of more than €55 million were diverted.
"That’s not all: According to the report, 22 shipping containers, 389 railway wagons and 220 trucks with humanitarian aid from the Zaporozhye region were stolen in the region in the last six months.
"This corresponds to almost 100% of the total deliveries for this region.
"The stolen goods were later offered for sale in Ukrainian retail chains.
"In total, from March to August 2022, the EU sent Ukraine humanitarian goods worth more than €360 million. According to GRECO, goods worth €342 million were stolen.
"These figures correspond to a whole catalog of similar reports: It was already known in May that a large part of the relief supplies delivered to Ukraine had been embezzled and privately sold on."
That's a good question.So where is the report? We're supposed to just take some blogger's word?
The most recent one on their website wrt Ukraine was published in April and has nothing to do with western aid, it's all about politicians and judges, etc.
Their disclaimer:That's a good question.
You were right when saying Ukraine 'was' and 'had'. Too much has been lost over the last 30 years. One of my friends was a student of Kiev aviation college back in the early 00s. And they had a 'technology practice' (I don't know how it sounds properly in English) in Antonov aviation plant.Sorry ESay, I meant to get back to you about this earlier.
I've spent more than 4 decades in manufacturing. I have a pretty good sense of it. We were chomping at the bit in the early '90's to get into eastern Europe, but the corruption was just too much to deal with. And we weren't inexperienced in that regard- we were already doing business in Mexico and South America, which requires certain payoffs to get the necessary permissions. It was the same thing, but on steroids in Eastern Europe in the early '90's.
Ukraine was one of the main centers of gravity for manufacturing for the USSR. It's not just raw materials and lower labor costs- it's abundant and reliable low-cost energy, a great rail system and waterways to get products to markets. It's the generations of tradesmen like machinists and engineers that pass their experience to the next generation- Ukraine had a mature aerospace sector, heavy manufacfuring like ship propulsion systems and gas turbines, tanks, trucks, armored vehicles, etc.
I am not looking at Ukraine today, I'm imagining a rebuilt Ukraine 20 years in the future, with modern technology, against a Germany that will probably have a 20 hour work week by then, expensive and unreliable energy, higher transportation costs, and probably a less friendly business environment overall.
Ukraine would have to continue certain reforms of their own system- be more market driven, fewer "oligarchs" running the enterprises, more investment from western companies, and so on. The opportunity is there- I can't predict it will happen, but it's not unrealistic.
jmho.