It's Time To Change Pitchers People!

[Truthseeker420]

Well the two biggest are Obamacare and the Dodd-Frank Finance "Reform" bills. There are a lot more, but those are the two that essentially brought our economy to its knees.

can you be more specific?

What is it you do not understand about Obamacare, the largest tax hike ever proffered against the Middle Class but disguised as an insignificant user fee by then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in her notorious smarm of "Don't read, just pass" to find out what's in the Obama Healthcare Act? It is also the largest tax hike in the history of the world on a people if you don't count the wealth found on holocaust corpses' clothing items by the Nazis of WWII for deposit into Swiss bank accounts for Germany's control freak Hitler.

What I don't understand is your position, just giving talking points doesn't help. Give me some regulations in the Affordable Care Act that you feel will hurt business.

 

[freedombecki]

can you be more specific?

What is it you do not understand about Obamacare, the largest tax hike ever proffered against the Middle Class but disguised as an insignificant user fee by then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in her notorious smarm of "Don't read, just pass" to find out what's in the Obama Healthcare Act? It is also the largest tax hike in the history of the world on a people if you don't count the wealth found on holocaust corpses' clothing items by the Nazis of WWII for deposit into Swiss bank accounts for Germany's control freak Hitler.

What I don't understand is your position, just giving talking points doesn't help. Give me some regulations in the Affordable Care Act that you feel will hurt business.

Small businesses barely making ends meet can't afford to pay union wages to employees, much less to health care costs when workers who go for union guarantees in public hospitals. The union clause was kept from public view and obfuscated in such highly classified language only a lawyer would know it. The lawyers weren't talking because they wanted the bill with all its endowments to pass, not be understood.

The trouble with nurses and health care workers walking out on strike in a hospital, it could withhold care from people hanging on the brink of life and death. Requiring religious hospitals to end lives ahead of schedule is another freaky clause. The bill would close down noncooperative hospitals. In other words, the democrats would rather close down an entity that has saved hundreds of thousands of lives over the years if they don't do late term abortions on demand. That would be a Congressional crime, imho to foist that on people who believe euthanasia is against their religious teachings, as are other treatments or withholding it might be viewed as involuntary killing or even murder. The Congress may not pass bills that act against a religion. Since some hospitals are religious, Congress has passed a bill that violates the First Amendment privilege given to citizens who are not only health care owners, but it would cause some employees who were noncooperative with violating their religious beliefs, some unwilling patients an untimely death, and a whole lot of grief all the way around.

I want Congress to pass a law that says bill may not be over 2 pages.

Nancy Pelosi pulled a fast one by creating a bill that was actually a 5-ream white paper written in the most technical terms imaginable, both medically speaking and legally speaking.

The circumstances around the passage of that bill were deleterious to citizens' ability to pay, ignored that at the time it was passed, we had double-digit unemployment, and its demands were as onerous as code pink is to people who believe wearing a buckskin coat with sheepskin lining to guard them against a winter chill at 7,000 feet is wise.

It's a mentally ill bill and I want it repealed.

 

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[Saigon]

Rottweiler -

I am confused that you are still posting on this thread despite not backing up some of the willd claims you made earlier.

Would you mind either backing up the claim, or at least admitting that it was a fiction?

I've backed it up over and over with VIDEO - the most indisputable evidence of all! Would you mind stopping pretending like you don't see the glaring evidence?!? Everyone can see it on this thread - so who do you think you're tricking by claiming it is not there?

This is the Clean Debate Zone - just stop with the passive/aggressive tactics. You're being inflammatory and you're going to get burned for it.

Then provide the exact quote and the time on the video when it appears. XXXXX



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[P@triot]

Rottweiler -

I am confused that you are still posting on this thread despite not backing up some of the willd claims you made earlier.

Would you mind either backing up the claim, or at least admitting that it was a fiction?

I've backed it up over and over with VIDEO - the most indisputable evidence of all! Would you mind stopping pretending like you don't see the glaring evidence?!? Everyone can see it on this thread - so who do you think you're tricking by claiming it is not there?

This is the Clean Debate Zone - just stop with the passive/aggressive tactics. You're being inflammatory and you're going to get burned for it.

Then provide the exact quote and the time on the video when it appears. Which we both know does not exist, nor anything even remotely close to it. It's purely and simply a lie.

Seriously Rottweiler - this is about the least honest posting I have ever seen on this forum. If you are going to make claims - either back them up, or in cases like this, admit that they are simply fiction.

Your posting here is simply disgraceful.

What's disgraceful is pretending like the video does not exist. I'm not transcribing the entire thing just because you want to avoid the evidence and focus on making me a puppet of transcription. Go watch the video - the entire thing is the Obama Administration admitting they were LYING about the deficit Romney's plan would create.

Furthermore, this all started because you claim to be concerned about the debt. If that's the case, why are you focusing on Romney when Obama will add $15 trillion over 10 years?!? Your false claim (again, admitted by the Obama Administration) of Romney adding $5 trillion over 10 years is paltry compared to Obama's $15 trillion.

 

[P@triot]

Obama Administration admits LYING about the cost of Romney's tax plan:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTL9PB1oiF0&sns=em]Stephanie Cutter Admits Obamas $5 Trillion Attack on Romney Is Not True - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Saigon]

Rottweiler -

Ok, so what is the quote. Please tell us exactly what this admission of lying is, and at what time it appears in the video.

I am now asking this for the 7th time.

 

[P@triot]

Rottweiler -

Ok, so what is the quote. Please tell us exactly what this admission of lying is, and at what time it appears in the video.

I am now asking this for the 7th time.

And I'm not asking for the 10th time why you're incapable of simply watching the video and seeing it for yourself?

If you don't want to watch, can you at least look at the title of the video?!?!?!

 

[Saigon]

Rottweiler -

I watched the video.

I can confirm that:

a) at no point does the person interviewed retract the statement, admit that it is a lie, imply that it is dishonest, or in ny way indicate that the statement is not 100% accurate and true.

In fact, she repeats the claim and explains what it is based on.

b) you knew this when you chose to post it.

For the 8th time now - produce the quote or retract your claim.

 

[P@triot]

Rottweiler -

I watched the video.

I can confirm that:

a) at no point does the person interviewed retract the statement, admit that it is a lie, imply that it is dishonest, or in ny way indicate that the statement is not 100% accurate and true.

In fact, she repeats the claim and explains what it is based on.

b) you knew this when you chose to post it.

For the 8th time now - produce the quote or retract your claim.

Everyone on the planet who has seen this video can attest that your statements, like the original Obama Administration's claim, is 100% inaccurate.

I will ask for the 3rd time now, what is the title of the video? Why have you refused to answer every question posed to you?

 

[P@triot]

Forget the blinded rhetoric - it's about time conservatives really started questioning what endless tax cuts and increased military spending are meant to achieve in terms of economic growth.

Forget the blinded rhetoric - it's about time you answered what crushing taxes, endless spending, and redistribution of wealth is meant to achieve in terms of economic growth?

So you are going to for a man whose tax cuts will cost $5 trillion, and who thus far has not explained where that money will come from.

Are you sure you have thought this through?

So why are you worried about a man who you claim will implement tax cuts that will cost "$5 trillion" (not true - and even the Obama Administration has acknowledged that) over 10 years when the current president will add $15 trillion over 10 years. That's 3x's as much. If you're so concerned with the $5 trillion, why are you completely silent on Obama adding $15 trillion? Are you sure you have thought this through?

The US government is in a sea of debt, and if Romney wins it will likely to get worse.

Since Obama spends $1.5 trillion in deficit spending per year, under Romney it would actually get exponentially better, who you project to spend only $500 billion in deficit spending per year.

If you're so concerned with the US government being in "a sea of debt", why are you calling out Romney when, by your own numbers (which even the Obama Administration has admitted are false), are 1/3 of the radical debt spending that Obama has already done?